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A56314 Satan's harbinger encountered, his false news of a trumpet detected, his crooked ways in the wildrnesse [sic] laid open to the view of the impartial and iudicious being something by way of an answer to Daniel Leeds his book entituled News of a trumpet sounding in the wildernesse &c. ... / by C.P. Pusey, Caleb, 1650?-1727. 1700 (1700) Wing P4249; ESTC W31244 94,113 127

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be impartial here in Does he not know that where VV. P denies it as a payment of a debt it is in the Presbyterian rigid sense to wit That man having transgressed the righteous law of God and so exposed to the penalty of eternal wrath it 's altogether impossible for God to remitt or forgive without a plenary satisfaction and that there was no other way by which God could obtain satisfaction or save men than by inflicting the penalty of infinite wrath and vengeance on Jeuss Christ the second person of the Trinity who for sins past present and to come hath wholly born and paid it to the offended infinite justice of his Father see W. P 's very words Sandy Foundation p. 16 of which I shall speak more when I come to his Numb 30 But as to Christ offering up in us by which the wrath of God is appeased to us VV P expleans in the next paragraph to wit that Christ offers himself in his children in the nature of a Me diatory Sacrifice And further saith Christ as a Mediator can atone in the consciences of his People at what time they fall under any miscarriage if they unseignedly repent according to 1 John 2 1 2. c. Now it is one thing to appease the wrath of God or man in a Mediatory way and quite another thing to pay the debt that 's due in such a strict sense as aforesaid So that though W P denyed such a satisfaction to be made in one book yet he did neither expresly nor consequently own it in the other therefore no contradiction Now whereas D L. askes How many thousand offerings this new Scripture makes of Christ as many Saints so many times Christ offers himself up a Sacrifice For this I shall refer him to his great Friend G K for satisfaction if any thing besides abusing the Quakers will satisfie him see G K's VVay Cast up not yet retracted where in p 157 158 he holds that Christ is a Mediator in the Saints and that his Spirit as man prayeth and maketh intercession on to God in the Saints and cites Rom 8 for it Now dare D L. say that the praying of Christ is not an offering and living Sacrifice to God and G K. saith Christ hath done so from the beginning by whom the children of God in all ages have received grace from God And in p 109 G K. tells how Paul Preacht Christ to the Galatians in the time of their Heathenism cruicified in them and cites Gal 3 5 6 Now let G. K. tell D L. how many crucifyings of Christ there is so many heathen so many times Christ crucified But I say again prejudice blinds man Well now to make G F contradict W P in this matter in his Numb 30 he quotes Great Mistery p 63 thus Christ gave himself his body for de life of the world he was the offering for the sins of the Whole world and paid the debt and made satisfaction To which he implicitely opposes W P. as before to wit that a satisfaction is totally excluded and what is forgiven is not paid Answ What G F. said was in answer to a Priest that said Every man should not have his sins pardonned Which G. F. did not deny but told how Christ gave himself an offering for the sins of the World and that he had enligthned every man coming into the World that all through him might believe and which was enough to shew that though all man had not their sins pardonned yet all were put into such a capacity as that they might have their sins pardonned in as much as Christ had offered himself for all which many of the Professors at that time dinyed and which offering the Father was well pleased with and satisfied in and so in that sence he made satisfaction according to G. F. which W P. in that very book viz Sandy Foundation p 32 did really own viz That Christ in life doctrine and death fulfilled his Fathers will and offered up a most satisfactory Sacrifice but not said he to pay God or help him as being otherwise unable to save men So that here we find W P. owns Christs satisfaction as wel as G F. therefore still their faces look not contrary rightly understood as D L. would and does represent them Well but G F. saies Christ paid the debt and W P. saies what is forgiven is not paid Now to this I say That Christ paid the debt so far as that in a scriptural sence the Father for his sake was satisfied and well pleased whit it on our account is true For he gave himself a ransom for all 1 Tim. 2 6. this is Scripture But that God could not pardon except he was fully paid the debt by a plenary satisfaction made by another and which was what W. P. did deny is unscriptural For it is said Micha 7 18 VVho is a God like unto thee that pardoneth iniquity and in Exody 34. 6 7. The Lord God mercifull and gracious long suffering and abundant in Goodness and Truth keeping mercy for thousands forgiving iniquity ' transgressions and sin So that it is not rational to say that a Transgressor is pardohned and yet the transgression fully satisfied for by another who the Presbiterians said was the second Person in he Trinity For then mankind would be obliged only to the second person because the first was fully paid and it was only against this Notion that W. P's struck and I do not see that he contradicts G. F. in it unless the scripture contradicts it self for the scripture abundantly speaks of Gods forgiving us and ●ardoning our sins according to W. P. and the scripture saith also in plain words that Christ bath redeemed us and given him self a ransom for all and in this sense it is according to G. F. viz made satisfaction His Numb 55 being to the like effect which the foregoing I account sufficiently answered by what I have alredy said upon this subject I shall now take notice how in many places of his book he idly and sillily slants at G. W. about these words of his viz. I may see cause otherwaies to word the matter and yet our intentions be the same for which he cites Counterfeit Convert p 72 and then he cries out in p. 21 Is this like the antient simplicity of a Quakers Pray who knows when such a man is sincere or how to ●eleive him in what he saies that thus hides his meanings saies one thing an means another Answ Truly I think D. L. hath not been enviously poring all this while in our Friends books for nothing Pray who but a man m●dled in his senses would make such a palpably ridiculous use of G P's innocent words As if to say I may se ecause other wise to word the matter and yet intend the same thing be equivalent which D L's application viz to say one thing and mean another For since he G W intends the same thing how does he