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A89922 The Christian and Catholike veritie; or, The reasons and manner of the conversion of Francis de Neville; formerly a Capuchin, preacher, the Popes missionary, and superiour in sundry covents of the same order. A treatise very usefull for all Christians, and especially for such as are popishly affected, or not fully setled in their beliefe; and for the further confirmation of the faithfull. Wherein many secrets of the Romish clergy, heretofore unrevealed, are discovered. Dedicated by the author to the high court of Parliament now assembled, 1642. See the contents at the next page. Neville, Francis de.; England and Wales. Parliament. 1642 (1642) Wing N502; Thomason E144_15; ESTC R11352 153,461 187

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Pope of Rome was above three or foure hundred yeares without being acknowledged for generall Bishop and universall Pastour of the Church which next we shall shew how this usurpation was brought into the world and how it hath been maintained in such an ambitious greatnesse CHAP. IX Proved from holy Scripture that Christ had never intention to leave S. Peter or any other Apostle for his Successour or generall Vicar after him ALthough it be sufficient to prove the usurpation of any authoritie that no authentique nor credible titles can be produced so to prove the authority the Pope pretendeth over the Church to be usurped it is sufficient that he cannot produce any passage of Scripture which sheweth with any appearance that that authority was given him by Jesus Christ Neverthelesse I shall shew the contrary out of the holy Scripture and evidence cleerely by the same that it was never the intention of Christ Jesus to leave St Peter nor any other of the Apostles as generall Vicar in his place or superiour over the whole Church assuring the Reader that if he will be but an indifferent Judge in this point and examine this with sinceritie and without passion he shall finde my reasons stronger for the negative which none is obliged to prove than those of the Romish Church for the affirmative of the most important article of their beliefe Our Saviour saith St Luke being neere the time of his suffering did advertise his Disciples of his death telling them that the Son of man should be delivered into the hands of men Luk. 9.49 Mark 9.33 and that they should slay him and put him to death and that he would rise againe the third day after his death They understood not say the Evangelists these words and that mystery neverthelesse hearing him speake of his death they dreamed of a succession and primacy after his death and fell into dispute among themselves who should be the greatest among them and who should command after his death If Christ Jesus had had any desire to leave any Successour after his death for universall head over them all and the whole Church that was a very fit occasion to declare his will None dare say that he forgot himselfe for the Disciples gave him sufficient occasion to thinke of it Moreover he being the eternall Wisdome he did remember all things he had to doe neither was there ever in him defect of remembrance or memory St Peter was present with the others if he had a desire to leave a Successour there is no man in the world who will not thinke that this was a faire occasion to declare himselfe there anent his death being neere or then take some other time to leave a successour to them and neverthelesse he never spake so much as one word neither at that time nor any other onely he reproved and checked greatly their ambition in that and setting a little childe in the middest of them exhorted them all to submission and to the contempt of domination to imitate the humble thoughts of that little childe which were questionlesse far from ambition And observe that they did even dispute of that primacy after our Saviour had said to St Peter Thou art Peter Mat. 16.13 and upon this rock c. and the other words which the Romish Church bring for the primacy of St Peter and if they understood those words as the Romish Church saith they must be understood how commeth it to passe that they disputed yet still among themselves for the primacy Luk. 22.26 Was not that to oppose themselves to the Lords command And Christ saith not unto them why dispute yee for the primacy doe yee not well remember that I have already given the superioritie to Peter if it was given as they pretend this was the answer he behoved to make but he exhorteth them onely to humilitie and to the contempt of all primacy And as they disputed yet another time the night before his death he said to them The Kings of the Nations exercise Lordship over them but it shall not be so amongst you Now seeing Christ hath not left a Successour neither at that time nor at any other it is an evedent signe that he would not that it was never his intention and that it is to conjecture without reason to thinke the contrary Further our Saviour being neere to his death yea a few houres before he was taken he desired being with all his Disciples together to sup with them and celebrate the Passeover Ioh. 14.4 after Supper he riseth from the Table and laying aside his garment girdeth himselfe with a linnen cloath putteth water into the Bason himselfe and washeth the feet of his Apostles beginning it is true at St Peter it may be as one of the ancientest and being of a lively spirit and a bold he was questionlesse one of the most considerable amongst them nor must we marvell if our Saviour spoke often to him and that St Peter speaketh sometimes for all the rest not by office nor dignitie but possibly through confidence of facilitie in discoursing but this by the way he doth the same to the other Apostles and washeth their feet he resumeth his garments and sitteth down to the Table againe and beginneth a long exhortation to them as being the last of all both to bid them farewell and declare to them his last Will. It is out of all doubt at this time that he should speak to them of a Successour if he have any intention to leave one after him he exhorteth them by his owne example to humilitie to puritie and patience to charitie and to love one another he speaketh to them of his deitie and of eternall life of the persecutions and tortures which he and they were to suffer In a word he telleth them a number of things which may be seen at large in St Joh. chap. 13. but he speaketh not one word to them of a Successour Ioh. 13. nor of leaving a Vicar in his place or an universall head after his death And is it not a most evident signe if he have not done it that he would not doe it for that was his last exhortation before his death knowing that they should not conveene nor he see them any more together to speake to them He speaketh indeed of Peter and to him when he spoke of his inconstancy that he should deny him three times but he speaketh never a word to him of primacy or leaving him as his Vicar on earth he saith often that he is to depart from them and promiseth he will not leave them Orphans but that he will send them the holy Spirit to abide eternally with them to comfort them and teach them in all truth but he saith not to them that he will leave them another Master in his place a generall Vicar or head and superiour whom they must obey after him There are none who will not judge that if he had intention to
doe it it should especially have been at this time an occasion and if he hath not done it here nor elsewhere it is an infallible and certaine proofe that he will leave no other superiour over the Church but himselfe and the holy Spirit Mat. 28.20 and he saith that he would remaine and stay with them alwayes even to the end of the world Besides our Saviour being upon the Crosse recommendeth his Mother to St John and St John to his Mother if St Peter should have been his Successour and Vicar after his death he might even then have spoken something but neither did he it there nor before nor after he was risen although he was conversant amongst them and with his Disciples oftentimes for the space of fortie dayes is not this then a most manifest and cleere proofe that he would leave neither Successour nor generall Vicar in his roome and that it is without sence or reason to say he left St Peter If the testimony of all the men in the world should be found to contradict this same would it be of greater force and strength than this The Word of God ought to triumph over all neither should any thing be opposed to it and it is blasphemy to attempt it there needeth no glosses here for this is cleere enough but either must a man renounce all that is in the holy Scripture or acknowledge this doctrine and truth nor could ever I conclude otherwise having considered it Here you may see good Reader by the holy Scripture that Jesus Christ had never intention to leave any man for Successour and universall Vicar or generall head in his place and that he himself alone would be governour and director for ever and none other but himselfe Therefore it is wrongfully that the Pope of Rome groundeth and maintaineth his authoritie upon that Now let us see by the holy Scripture that the Apostles did never hold Peter for his Successour or universall head of the Church CHAP. X. Proved by the holy Spirit that the Apostles did never acknowledge St Peter for superiour and universall head of the Church IF St Peter hath been instituted by Christ generall Pastour of the Church and Superiour over all the Apostles and Christians I undoubtedly beleeve that the other Apostles did know it perfectly for although Christ should never have declared any thing to them yet the holy Spirit who instructed them in all truth would have taught them this so important a point So it is that it may be proved even by the Scripture it selfe that the Apostles did never acknowledge this superioritie and primacy in Peter and therefore we may safely conclude that he never had it I finde in the Acts of the Apostles chap. 15.7 that the first Councell of the Church after the death of our Saviour was holden at Jerusalem where St James was Bishop and not St Peter that Paul and Barnabas and others came expresly that the Apostles and Elders did assemble to confer about something touching Circumcision and after great debate Peter saith Luke rose up and spake and after him Paul and Barnabas declaring what signes and wonders God had done by them among the Gentiles and so soone as they had done St James answered saying Men and brethren hearken unto mee Simon hath declared how God c. Wherefore my sentence is that wee trouble not them which among the Gentiles are turned to God but that we write unto them c. Now judge I pray you by this passage if Peter may be thought chiefe in this so noble and famous action if there be any of the Apostles who may be thought superiour in this assembly it is questionlesse St James the Councell holding in his Citie and Church It is true St Peter speaketh after some dispute not first as is pretended for they had already disputed and spoken but St James pronounceth sentence in this assembly and as Judge and of most authoritie in the Councell it being done in his Church he imposeth silence to speak and pronounce the sentence as is the custome of the Judges and saith Wherefore my sentence is or now I Judge Ego autem Judico as St Jeroms translation hath it which questionlesse he did not as superiour to all but as Bishop of the place where the assembly was holden and to whom for that respect the first place and greatest authoritie was due as there is no Bishop in the world that giveth not place to another in his owne Church and within the bounds of his Jurisdiction But if Peter had had the primacy he would have pronounced the sentence as Judge and as Master and superiour over them all and it was his to say Ego Judico I marvell also that St James speaking to him if he thought him Vicar of Christ said not our Master Simon or the universall Vicar and Pastour or gave him not some great title such as is now given to the Pope it being a great over-sight to omit it but he saith onely Simon hath told if Simon was his superiour and universall head of the Church St James was greatly to be blamed in this point for some irreverence or little respect but knowing that there was but equalitie among them he useth him as his equall keeping onely the authoritie and dignitie of his own Sea It is said in the Acts chap. 11.1 that St Peter having converted and baptized Cornelius the Centurion and all those men who were Gentiles he came up againe to Jerusalem and being there they who were of the Circumcision that is the converted Jewes would have reproved him and contended with him saying Why wentest thou into men uncircumcised and didst eat with them Peter beginneth and declareth all the matter unto them in order and justifieth the action if St Peter was head of the Church and generall Pastour of all Christians and of all the world I marvell first how they had the boldnesse to reprove him for preaching to the Gentiles whose Pastour he was as well as of the Jewes and I admire also that St Peter seemeth to excuse himselfe before them upon a particular revelation and commission and did not rather tell them that being universall Pastour he had power over all soules and it belonged to him to preach the Gospell to every creature not onely to the Jewes but also to the Gentiles certainly he did not acknowledge as yet that generall power and universall primacy in himselfe nor yet did Christians acknowledge it in him for out of all question they would have spoken otherwise to him and he would also have answered in other tearmes especially if he had thought to have had that infallibilitie which the Pope of Rome vindicateth to himselfe which he saith he hath gotten by the succession and in the person of St Peter Moreover the Apostles sent Peter and John to preach in Samaria would the Pope now adayes receive any such commission Acts 8. and goe preach to the Indians or in Russia by Commission
affectionately than to the means of setling and increasing the power and dominion of the Pope and consequently to augment the revenues and profits of the Clergie especially that of Rome and to that end sendeth continually abroad and entertaineth so many agents as he is able amongst his adversaries to whom he giveth commission to use all means and leave nothing unattempted for the increasing of his Empire there promising them great recompence if they have good successe in their designes and if by chance they fall into the snares which they have laid for others and find themselves catched in the gins of destruction which they would have prepared for others and die or be taken in the execution of their enterprises they shall be holden and esteemed Martyrs and written up in the Catalogue of the Saints and although they die as Traitors and disobedient and refractory to the Princes and States to which they owe obedience and submission notwithstanding they shall be reputed as dead for the faith and for the glory of the Gospel to which their doctrine is so contrary as well as their actions And on those frivolous hopes a number of silly fooles have engaged themselves in so desperate actions and execrable enterprises that the onely thinking on them would fright Barbarians very far questionlesse from the modesty which is required in the spirits of Christians as hath been often enough seen in this Kingdome especially in that damnable conspiracy of the Powder Treason forged rather in the Devills shop than in the braines of men but discovered and brought to naught by the providence and bountie of God who hath manifested himselfe so clearely in this and many other occasions both before and after to watch in the protection of this State since the time of the reformation that it is not to be doubted but he would thereby shew that as this people was his people his Nation and heritage so would he testifie himselfe to be their God And notwithstanding the Pope and his Supposts have laboured often both before and after that as well by open force as by secret conspiracies and hidden enterprises to involve this whole State in ruine Neverthelesse his Instruments and Agents have ever lost themselves and all have falne out to their shame and confusion As I hope all those Rebells Papists of Ireland who at this present are up in Armes against their Prince and the faithfull in all crueltie and execrations will doe one of these dayes so that it may be truly said this of the Psal 147.9 Psal 147.9 The Lord hath not dealt so with all the Nations But God having continually shewed himselfe so good and mercifull to this his people it is their part to blesse him with their whole heart and render him eternall thankesgiving and my part also who desire that favour to be holden a member thereof the rest of my life to joyne with them and offer also to that good God the sacrifices of praises and thankesgiving which I doe with my whole heart praying him continually to shew himselfe the God Protectour Saviour and the Ruler of his poore people and that he would continue to powre out upon them all heavenly and earthly blessings and preserve the puritie and sinceritie of his holy Word among them and if there be any thing wanting or to be purged in their practise and discipline that he would cleanse them from all filth and Tares which might in time corrupt the good graine that he would make that order and pollicy to shine amongst them which is agreeable to him and which he hath instituted and taught by his Apostles that he would also impart the same favours to all the Churches and Nations where his holy Name is called upon that he would blesse the Princes which governe and maintaine them and draw and bring to his fold all the soules which are gone astray in any part of the world that he would open their eyes and let them see their blindnesse and errour and bring them to the sight and knowledge of the truth and of the pure and perfect beliefe which is left and taught to us in his Word that being but one Fould and one Flocke under one sole Pastour Christ our Saviour and Master wee may all of us serve Him in holinesse and justice in peace and union the rest of our dayes and hereafter wee may enjoy eternall happinesse through our Lord Jesus Christ to whom with the eternall Father and glorious Spirit be all honour praise and glory might majestie and dominion now and for evermore AMEN FINIS