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A17186	An holsome antidotus or counter-poysen, agaynst the pestylent heresye and secte of the Anabaptistes newly translated out of lati[n] into Englysh by Iohn Veron, Senonoys	Bullinger, Heinrich, 1504-1575.; Véron, John, d. 1563.	1548 (1548)	STC 4059; ESTC S104813	56,402	234

not admyt the scripture to be iudge but referre al thynges to theyr interpretation and spiritee Is not this an hygh blasphemie that a sinnefull man shoulde presume to sete hym selfe iudge ouer the word and wyl of god asthough he ought not to bee obedient vnto it excepte he were moued with his owne spiritee and mocion to reiecte or receiue it I harde ones a papiste doctour openly in a disputaciō saie that we whiche teache the gospell dooe teache the truthe and dyd alowe our teachynge veary well but that he coulde not nor durste subscribe vnto it exrepte our teachynge were adprobated and alowed by the bisshoppe of Rome Beholde my Symon what abhominacion is this that a mortall man shulde take vpon hym to adprobate alowe the diuine and heauenly veritee and set hym selfe iudge ouer god Therfore haue I put this conclusion in the forefront because that the Anababtistes doe for y ● moste parte boast and aduaunce their spirite vnder such pretence deceiuyng the simple and rude people Symon Doeth not Paule teache this that the letter doeth kylle and the spirit viuifieth or doeth quieken ii Corin. iii And Christe doeth saie Ioan. xiiii The spirite shall teache you all truthe It is spoken by the lorde also Hieremy xxxi Euery man shall teache no more his neyghbour saiyng knowe thou the lorde but all shall knowe hym from the lowest to the hyghest Finally Iohn dooeth saie It is no neede that euery man dooe teache you but as the vnction teacheth you of all thinges whiche is true and is no lye What canst thou saye agaynst so manyfeste scriptures Ioiada To the woordes of Paule I aunsweare thus That Paul speaketh there of the lawe whyche kylleth vs as he dooeth declare more apertly in the .vii. chap. to the Romains And by the spirit he vnderstondeth faith and the consolacion or comforte of the gospell That it is so the texte of the whole chapter dooeth testifie Therefore this place helpeth nothyng your errour For whan we speake of the woorde of god we dooe not vnderstonde the bare and deade letter or voyde sonnde of it but the word well and truely vnderstonded and as it is in veary dede And as for that that Chryste dooeth promesse a spyrite vnto his dysciples teachynge them all thynges wee dooe admytte and beleue it But that spyrite can not bee contrarye to Chryste nor teacheth any other thyng than Chryst hath taught Therfore doeth he adde by and by teachyng you what so euer I haue saied vnto you What dooe these thynges perteyne to the spirite of the Anababtistes whiche teacheth contrary thynges to the spirite of Christe The prophecies of Ioel and Hieremye are vnderstonded of that same spirite that Christe dooeth bothe promesse and geue to his disciples as it is euidently sene in the seconde chapiter of the Actes and the eyght to the Hebrues Iohn in his epistell whan he speaketh of the vnctyon dooeth playnely expounde hym selfe saiynge I haue written vnto you that ye bee not deceyued or that ye dooe not suffer your selues to be brought in to errour whyche thyng will then come to passe if ye dooe stedfastely abyde in the doctrine of the spirite whiche ye haue harde at the begynnynge and swarue not at all from it The holy ghoste is the spirite of truthe which canne neither lye nor repugne against hym selfe beyng all waies constaunte vnchaungeable euery where lyke vnto hym selfe Now no man can denaye but that the same euerlastyng vnchaungeable and holy spirite hath inspyred the holy scriptures in to holy mens hertes and myndes Whereby it foloweth necessarily that the same spirite which speaketh agaynste the meanyng of the spirite that dooeth speake and expresse hym selfe in the diuine scriptures is not of god but rather an humaine mayne affection whyche if it bee styffe maie bee deseruyngly called a deauelysshe spyryte as Chryste dooeth proue agaynste the Iues. Iohn viii Or canst thou thynke in thy mynde that spirite to bee good whiche contemneth the cleare manyfeste pure and holy scriptures and when by them he is conuicted of errour doeth boste an other spirite whiche shoulde teache cleane cōtrary thinges Is not this to despise y ● spirite of y ● scriptures and to repugne against hym As though our spirit meaneth truely and the spirit of the scriptures most falsely Where haue the Anababtistes learned to set their spirit against y ● scriptures yea and preferre hym to the holy worde of god Symon But who hath geuen you this libertee to iudge al thynges after the litterall sence or letter Ioiada That we dooe not as thou doest interprete the letter But we saie that the worde of god conteined in the scriptures of the Bible is a touche stone wherby spirites are tried For what spirite so euer doeth agree with the scriptures is of god the father of truthe And agayne what spirite so euer is contrary to the holy scriptures is of the dyuelle the father of lyes Seyng therfore that the spyrite of the Anababtistes wil not bee ruled by the holy scriptures but preferreth hym selfe to the woorde of god callynge by crafte the woorde of god a bare letterre yea and sette set him selfe iudge ouer it he cānot be of god For if he were of god he would come to light and speake that same thyng that the holy ghost doeth speake in al the holy scriptures But now sith y t he doeth not depende of the scriptures but will be at his own lybertie it is a token that it is a craft and subtiltie of the deuell whiche doeth alwayes scatter repugne against god Sy. Thou speakest these thynges mightily and stronglye but withoute the word of god And this is your familier custome to speake many thinges without scriptures As touching the spirite what he techeth I haue brought and alledged places and testimonies oute of the scriptures But that the spirit ought to be tried by scriptures or rather mācipated and bounde vnto them and not be at his own libertie it is thy parte for to proue Or peraduenture thou dost prefer the creature vnto the creatour Ioi What and yf I should say also My spirite hath taught me this thyng What couldest thou do or say vnto me Sym. But that is not to aunswere Ioi Nor ye do not answere sufficiently when ye bost your spirite without or agaynst the scriptures But in this thīg we do learne that whan it pleaseth you ye vse the scriptures agayne whan ye see to be expede ent ye boaste aud aduance your spirit Whan I affirme that the spirite must be tried by the scriptures I doe not mancipate nor subdue the creatour vnto y ● creature but I will that the thynge whiche is vncertaine be tryed proued by y t which is certaine and that any spirit be tried by the holy spirit of god that is to saie by the scriptures whether he agreeth with hym self or not And if he be like euery where vnto him self to be receiued if not to be refused

not sorsakyng the mutuall felowship or congregacion of vs as some men ar wont to do And what other thyng do the Anabaptistes but for the weakenesse or as they doo say for the wyckednesse or vngodlynesse of some forsake the Churche ▪ and exhorte other to dooe the same But let vs come now to the .iiii. conclusion which shall shew playnly that the Anabaptistes are false prophetes enemyes of the Crosse of Christ Sy. Bryng it furthe that I may heare what it is Ioia They are false prophetes whosoeuer they be that doo affirme that Christ dyd only abolish take away originall syn They are false Prophetes that do deny grace forgyuenesse of synnes vnto them which after that the truthe is once knowen do fall agayne into sinne or error They are false Prophetes that do attribute saluaciō vnto our workes Syth that the Anabaptistes do teach these articles thei be not only enemies of the crosse of Christ but more ouer do denye Christ Sy. They do no suche thingꝭ Ioi Though they do not with their mouthe denye Christ yet notwithstandyng thei do in very dede deny the vertue and strengthe of Christ of his death as Peter dothe saye .ii. Peter .ii. for swearynge the Lorde that bought them Is not all one thyng if a man should say Christ is not And there is no suche thynge wherefore Christ dyd come Christ dyd come to take away our synnes whiche thyng if he dyd not Christ is not Christ If he be dead onely for them that were in the old testament and not for vs he can not bee our sauiour and how is he then Christ If so be that our workes do saue vs is he not dead in vayne Doest thou not see how the enemyes of the Crosse are knowen The .vii. Treatye or Diasogue How that Christ dyd not onely suffer for originall syn Symon TAke hede that thou doest not rashly and without aduisemēt blame the Anabaptistes For ther hath ben alwayes some whiche dyd saye that Christ hathe suffered onely for them that were afore him that is to saye for the Fathers which dyd lyue vnder the olde Testament that he hath only pourged in vs Originall synne and that we ought to expiate or to make amendes satisfaction with our owne dedes and workes for the sinnes that we cōmit after that we be ones purified Ioi If ye haue ben so taught hytherto and haue beleued so why was Peter Abelardus counted an heretike made to recant againe by saint Bernarde in the councell of Sens He dyd teache very like thynges Sy ▪ This dothe moue me but lytell Ioiada In this thinge are yee blame worthye that ye Anabaptistes do know neither new nor olde histories yet ye wyll be teachers What audacitie is this But howe ●ayne your opinion is and how muche it doth ene●uate and af●eablysh the vertue of the passion of Christ we wyll shew by the holy scriptures Iohn Baptist shewyng with his fynger that pure immaculate lambe Iesu Christ dyd saye This is the lambe of God which taketh awaye the synne of the worlde By these other wordes of the scripture it is manifestly proued that Christ is the full satisfaction for the synnes of all the worlde Or canst thou say that the fathers of the old Testamēt are onely the worlde Sym. No but he sayeth syn not synnes Ioi Iohn dothe vse this worde synne as he dothe this diction world By the worlde he vnderstandeth whatsoeuer is worldly so by this word sinne he vnderstandeth all that can be named synne the gender beynge here put for the species For he sayeth which taketh away and not which hath taken away or shall take away that this word Tollit taketh away may signifye action or doyng not tyme. For what synnes soeuer are taken away they ar taken away by the sacrifice of Christ done in the Crosse Sym. Thou must bring cleare more strong testimonies for these can easely be confuted Ioia This aucthoritie is bothe playne strong inough Nor it can not be subuerted by any contradiction But that thou mayest see that we ar not without auctorities Reade the .v. to the Roma and thou shalt vnderstand and perceyue that the vertewe of the death of Christ is abolyshed by you And not as bi one mā saith saynt Paul which had sinned death dyd come so is the gyfte of GOD. For iudgement dyd come by one synne to condemnacion and the gyfte dyd come to iustify frō many synnes Do not these woordes O Symon prooue that Christ with hys death dyd not clense or pourge onely one synne but all maner of synnes But reade all the whole chapiter and then thou shalte vnderstande it better Paule speaketh of Christ in the ii chap. to the Collossen after this maner And you sayth he when yee were dead thoroughe youre synnes or in the prepucie or vncircumcisiō of yourflesh he hath quykened also with him forgyuyng vnto vs all our synnes Because that in him dothe inhabite all plenitude or perfection of God head corporally and ye are made perfect in him Which thyng truly coulde not be if he had not washed vs clene frō all our synnes But the contrary is euidently knowen by the .x. chap to the Hebrues He sayth saynt Paule one oblacion beynge offered for synnes sitteth euerlastīgly on the right hande of God the Father For with one oblaciō he hath made perfecte for euer them that are sanctified .i. Ioh. i. The blood of Christ dothe clense vs from all our synnes .i. Io. ii If any man dothe synne we haue an aduocate before the father that righteous Lorde Iesu Christ And he is the satisfaction for oure synnes and not onely for oure synnes but for the synnes of all the worlde If Christ dyd take away onely original synne the testimonye and aucthoritie of Iesu is voyde And agayne if Christ dyed not for vs but for them only that were after hym what belongeth vnto vs the death of Christ Or why should we confesse it if it perteyneth nothyng vnto vs Doest thou not see yet who are false Prophetes enemyes of the crosse of Christ and subuersers of the Christen fayth Sy. I doo see it well inough and I am wel content touchynge this Artitle But as for that that they dooe denye or wyll not graunt repentaunce grace vnto them that be fallen agayn thei proue it strongly by the .vi. chap. to the Hebrues and by the ii Peter ii And verely as farre as I can perceyue they speake well inough in it That is to say that we be no more in the flesh and that me ought to synne no more after this which thyng I wold thynke to be good if we myght ●olyue For they do so v●ry stu●●ously with great diligen●● The .viii. Treatye or Dialogue How that a synner may come to grace as often as he reuen●ethe and that no man is without synne Ioiada O Lorde God that the simple do so miserably suffer themselues to be blynded If