Selected quad for the lemma: truth_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
truth_n	aaron_n	church_n	see_v	28	3	3.3291	3	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A39999	Rectius instruendum, or, A review and examination of the doctrine presented by one assuming the name of ane [sic] informer in three dialogues with a certain doubter, upon the controverted points of episcopacy, the convenants against episcopacy and separation : wherein the unsoundnes, and (in manythinges) the inconsistency of the informers principles, arguments, and answers upon these points, the violence which he hath offred unto the Holy Scripture and to diverse authors ancient and modern, is demonstrat and made appear, and that truth which is after godlines owned by the true Protestant Presbyterian Church of Scotland asserted and vindicated.	Forrester, Thomas, 1635?-1706.	1684 (1684)	Wing F1597; ESTC R36468	441,276	728

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not_o exclude_v the_o due_a right_n of_o minister_n herein_o see_v pag._n 127._o and_o 129._o and_o the_o assembly_n of_o divine_n in_o their_o directory_n for_o ordination_n of_o minister_n 4._o branch_n do_v require_v the_o people_n consent_n and_o approbation_n as_o necessary_o antecedaneous_a to_o the_o ordination_n beside_o can_v the_o informer_n be_v ignorant_a that_o there_o be_v several_a other_o weighty_a scripture_n ground_n &_o argument_n plead_v by_o our_o writter_n to_o fortify_v this_o right_n of_o the_o people_n why_o do_v he_o not_o then_o put_v these_o also_o into_o the_o mouth_n of_o his_o doubter_n and_o give_v we_o a_o account_n of_o his_o own_o and_o his_o episcopal_a master_n '_o skill_n in_o dissolve_v they_o moreover_o though_o it_o be_v grant_v that_o all_o here_o do_v concur_v in_o this_o suffrage_n where_o no_o eldership_n be_v yet_o constitute_v as_o mr_n gillespy_n judge_v probable_a miscell_n pag._n 14._o it_o will_v nothing_o infringe_v the_o power_n of_o 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