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A95027 Something in answer to two late malitious libels of William Rogers; intituled, the sixth and eighth part of his (falsly so called) Christian-Quaker, &c. : Being a further caution to Friends, to take heed of that treacherous spirit that is entered into William Rogers and his abettors. : Who under the profession of primitive truth, are betraying it to the world ... / Published for the clearing of truth against William Rogers's lies and slanders ... C.T. Taylor, Christopher, ca. 1615-1686.; Rogers, William, d. ca. 1709. Christian-Quaker distinguished from the apostate & innovator. Part 6.; Rogers, William, d. ca. 1709. Christian-Quaker distinguished from the apostate & innovator. Part 8. 1682 (1682) Wing T265; ESTC R184889 30,402 42

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and follow And such by W. Rogers must be Accounted Honourable Elders and Preachers And yet in his Sixth Part Page 12. tells us The Kingdom of God stands in Righteousness and Peace and Joy in the Holy Ghost and tells us again in his Sixth Part. Page 3. of his Inward peace with the Lord c. and in his Second Page Part 8. there he speaks of the Government of Christ who alone is Lord over the Conscience and Page 10. Part 6. he tells us He is breathing to the Lord of Heaven That we and G. F. may be humbled before the Lord and G. F. in Particular that High and Lofty one may not utterly fall c. What a mad Prayer is this how canst thou be at peace and breath unto the Lord and be thus Wicked for thy Prayers are an Abomination to the Lord. And thou hast not only Judged G. F but as thou scoffingly saist his party also to be Apostates that is such as have blessed Unity with him in the Truth which is the whole Body of Friends who have kept their Habitations in the Living Truth and Faith of Gods Elect which thou art gone from And by what Spirit dost thou pretend thou hast Peace with God and breathest to God and tellest of his Kingdom and yet art blind and dost not see it s thy Duty to obey and follow that which is given forth from the Spirit of God c. How can thy Spirit and the Spirit of those thou termest thy Honourable Brethren be accounted any otherwise then a loose frivolous Spirit And doth W. R. and those that Encouraged him to publick his confused Books stuffed full of Contradictions and with a Rabble of false charges as hath been shewn in other Answers in Print believe that they proceeded from Gods Spirit when he doth not see it to be his Duty to Obey that which is given forth from the Spirit of God are you all of his Mind And he saith Speaking of the Unction That by it all things are known And yet he doth not see it his Duty to Obey that which is given forth from the Spirit of God For this is applied to William Rogers J. Story J. Wilkinson and their Followers for he doth not mention any others who are thus Blind that they do not see for we who are the Members of that Body which Christ is the Head of do see it is our Duty to Obey that which is given forth from the Spirit of God in our day Do we not Read that under the Dipensation of the Law which came by Moses the Priests lips were to preserve the Peoples Knowledge and to be Instructers to the People in all things pertaining to that Dispensation that the People might not be Ignorant of the Law of God but might fully know it And where they doubted in any thing that Priesthood was to Compleat their Knowledge in it that they might not plead Ignorance in any thing contained in the Law to be done for God was able by his Spirit then both Immidiatly and Instrumentally by his Priesthood appointed under that Dispensation to Instruct them fully and none then could say they did not see or they did not believe what was the mind of God under that Dispensation But those that wilfully stopped their Ears and shut their Eyes least they should hear and see understand and obey the will of God who Rebel'd against the Spirit And such came to be hardined in their Sins and Rebel against the Truth and despise the Government of it as Korah and his Company in the Conspiracy against Moses and Aaron c. Much more now in our day under the clear Gospel Ministration may the Israel of God be fully Instructed both Immediately and Instrumentally by his Spirit in all things pertaining to the Doctrine and Discipline of Truth and Gospel Government that their hearts may be subject thereunto and they need not plead Ignorance and say I see not this or I believe not this and If I do this or Obey t'otheir it will be a blind Obedience and I shall do it without Faith or sight I say none need plead thus and upon this ground and with their blind Minds and dark Understandings in their Disobedience oppose Gods People in what they both see and believe to be given forth by his Spirit For Christ hath enlightned them all and hath poured his Spirit upon all Flesh that they may see and perceive that which is given forth from the Spirit Therefore we do affirm that every Imprejudiced simple-harted Friend waiting and following on to know the Lord in his Light and Spirit will grow up in the Faith and not oppose the Faithful in their Faithfulness towards God in what he makes known of his Will And so the Simple-minded will mind the Lord and his power which will preserve them in Unity and fellowship with the Brethren the Members of Christ in the Spirit and Light according to their growth in the Truth and if at any time there be any Conscientious Scrupling concerning any thing as to matter of Discipline or Government or any thing else they will be desirous and willing to Ask Counsil of the Lord and in Gentleness and Meekness of his Faithful People in sinserity without Opposition as the Corinthians did to Paul who answered them cencerning the things they had wrote to him that they might be Convinced and helped in matters pertaining to Faith and Conscience And where did ever the Jews say to Moses and the Prophets They were not convinced and did not see if their Duty to follow and obey that which they declared from the Lord to them And also where did ever the Disciples of Christ say We are not convinced and do not see it our Duty to follow and obey that which thou Commandest us And forasmuch as it is on Record that the Apostles and the Elders wrote their Orders and Decrees and Traditions to the Churches where did ever the Churches and true believers tell the Apostles and the Elders they did not see nor beliebe and had not Faith in their words and therefore it was not their Duty to Obey that which they writ and spoke to them from the Lord by his Spirit but called it Imposition and blind Obedience this always was a marke of the false Apostles and Christians who opposed the true and it was and is the Devil that did and does blind People now that they do not see their Duty to God to do what he commands them Are the Ranters excusable because they say they do not see or believe the wickedness they commit to be sin or evil Will this excuse them in the the day of Judgment take warning and take heed Must not the secrets of Men be Judged by Jesus Christ according to the Gospell which is Preached to or in every Creature under Heaven And canst thou and thine Abettors be excused in your wilfulness and wicked rebellion against God and his People under pretence that you do not see
of Truth and the Word of the Lord to be reconciled to every thing that is good as to good Order and Government and not to stand in opposition against it And a great clamour thou makest about Government and Orders and fillest people full of stories of this kind and rendrest us little better in these matters than Papists and Popishly affected And yet notwithstanding dost not set down what all these Orders are Thou malitious man begin from first to last and tell such to whom thou Writes and Prints what all these Orders are thou so openst thy Mouth against If they be good in themselves as some of thy Friends have said and confessed therefore why not practicable and why should they be opposed But ye are in confusion Should we not endeavour that every simple-hearted person may be informed and truly Instructed in that which is Pure Decent Good and Commendable that all things may be done in good Order by the spirit of God to the praise of the Name of the Great God who is the God of Order and not of Confusion or Anarchy They that plead for Liberty Contrary to the pure Spirit Life and Power of Jesus Christ are out of the Faith and not faithful to God And in that state they are blind and Ignorant of Gods way and Truth in this his Gospel Dispensation And so they become wilful Opposers of that which is good in a Disobedient mind and so call Good Evil and Evil Good And that Government that is erected by the Eternal God in the hearts of his people they despise and contemn because they are not in a Condition to Answer it because of their sinful disobedience and love Darkness more than Light And if People be Simple-minded We know the faithful-hearted that fear God into whom he gives a good understanding will endeavour to inform such as at any time may conscientiously scruple any thing in this matter And we say None should oppose who do not see and who do not believe those things which others both truly see and to be of God lest they fight like blind men but thou in thy wilful mind teachest Rebellion and to make the minds of the simple-hearted evill affected with the Government of God and Christ Jesus Which he hath and is still Estableshing amongst us and like Iannes and Iambres thy mind is corrupted to oppose the Truth being Reprobate or of no Judgment concerning the Faith For they that are faithful to God know us and our work who are his Servants and Ministers through his Grace Excercised in his Work and Service And that we are neither Apostates nor Innovators for that 's thy own condition as thy lying Tongue would Insinuate And that Government and Grder we have Estableshed by the Lord amongst us is so far from the Spirit of Antichrist in the Estableshment of it that it is no less than the product of Gods Power and Heavenly Wisdom which is pure and peaceable from above But thy Folly will be fully Mannifest and thy shame will appear though thou wouldst hide it by endeavouring grosly to abuse such Ancients in Jsrael as God hath clothed with his Heavenly Righteousness I say thy shame will appear and thy work of Wickedness will be made manifest to all the Simple-hearted who in their Souls truely desire to be tought by the Lord that they may be truly Established in his Righteousness And whereas In thy Eigth Part page 11. thou hast these words And if this small Tract as well as other Discoveries of Apostacy and Innovation become as so many Darts to pierce the bowels of that Cause espowsed by those nameless persons terming themselves the second Days Meeting even as an Arrow shot at an Adventure pierced Ahab between the Joints of his Harnass when disguised to save himself then let us say blessed be the God of our Solvation Now William thy Drift Intent as what thou aimest at we clearly perceive and it is easy so to do For the Darts thou shootest thou aimest at Gods servants the Second Days Meeting to pierce the bowels of their cause which cause is the Cause of God and they are and have been concerned against thee to bear Testimony against that Graceless ungodly Spirit with which thy heart is possessed that so the Truth being espoused by them may still prevail over thy Lyes and base Slanders in thy wicked Works who carest little what thou doest or sayest if thou canst but make the Truth and the Professors of it who are exercised in the Work and service of God Odious But all the simple-hearted who read that Book Intitled The Accuser c. may easily see thy Lies and Slanders detected and thy wicked heart to thy shame made Manifest that thou mayst be read as thou art in thy own Nature viz. As an Apostate and Common Adversary to Gods Truth and his faithful Servants who have kept their habitations in the Truth and stand against thy design which is wicked Thou shewest thou art of a Murthering spirit with thy Arrows but they are turned back upon thee again to pierce thy own Bowels Read Psalms the 11.2 Where thou mayst see into thy Work and condition For Loe the Wicked bend their Bow they make ready their Arrow upon the string that they may privily shoot at the Upright in heart but thou hast mist the Mark c. W. R. thou sayst Part 8. Page 10. Our Ancient Friends J. S. and J. W. when Articled against for not acting against their conscience c. And Page 3. thou speakest of J. W. and J. S. again and Page 6. thou sayest There is no ground either from the Scriptures of Truth without or the Light of Christ within us to believe that any Christian Professor can in Truth affirm that there are outward Prescriptions and Orders given forth by the Spirit of God through any one or more mortal men in this our Day which others ought to obey or follow whether they see it their Duty or no so far W. R. Answers The Insinuation of our giving out Instructions to be practised whilst people do not see them their Duty is a false Insinuation for Instructions of Duty may be given out before they see them such as believing that God will by his Light discover to them their Duty therein if they be not obstinate that they may practise them in the Light Persons not seeing their duty does not make that voyd which is in itself their duty Nor yet ought mens blindness to debar true Ministers from Preaching to them what is their Duty for many see it not their Duty to believe the light of Christ in them and yet it must be Preached to them to open their eyes c. Then doth it not plainly appear that I. Wilkinson and W. Rogers are not in the light of Christ and Spirit of God but are as yet blind and do not see that which is given forth from the Light and Spirit of God to be their Duty to Obey
not mention here all men but says before them all who were them all were they not them that were present for here is not the Word Men in this verse and the Reader may see that W. R has manifestly wronged and falsifyed the Scripture here And W. R. goes about to confirm it and saith If any say Paul did not Publish it in Gath and Askalon To this He saith I Answer that from the 14th verse of the 2d chap. to the Gal. we learn that Paul's Reproof was before all Men. But W. R. and his we have not learn't this from that Scripture neither did W. R. learn there that he should Publish his Book in Gath and Askalon neither that Paul Publisht that which he blamed Peter for in Gath and Askalon which thou Fallaciously bringest to cover thy Spirit but instead of covering thy self thou hast tumbled thy self over and over in the Dirt and shewed thy own Nakedness W. R. says Part 6. pag. 5. T is frequently brought to my Ears that our Opposers common discourse is that I have written a wicked Book against the faithful Friends of Truth that if all I had therein written were true yet the Spirit that gave it forth must be wrong and the same with Hams because it discovers the Nakedness of a Father Answ But if therein he alludes to the 5th Page of my Book he perverts my Words and the Intent of them for I do not say it discovers the Nakedness of a Father as he hath Malitiously Writ but my Words are these That W. R. hath endeavoured to uncover the Nakedness of such as once he accounted his Brethren and Elders or Fathers whom God hath cloathed For thou hast not neither canst thou uncover the Nakedness of such Brethren and Elders or Fathers to present them Naked to the View of the whole World by Publishing of thy Book so that herein thou hast really done worse then Ham for he wickedly and really uncovered his Fathers Nakedness but thou wickedly endeavourest to do it or so to present it to the View of the World to make the Uncircumcised rejoyce so that thy Sin herein is doubled for thou hast represented the thing which really is not so in it self that is they are not Naked but Cloathed with Gods Righteousness whom thou hast represented to be Naked but hast discovered thy own Nakedness and herein thou hast exceeded Ham who discovered a real Nakedness And also thy malice and wickedness in it hath exceeded his whose work as I said in mine may be said to have been a hasty rash Action done on a sudden without premeditation but thou hast long premeditated and laboured to bring forth thy wicked Book in Print and endeavourest to betray and deceive Peoples minds that they may believe thy Lies Juggling and Legerdemain in this matter Christopher Tayler Postscript SInce these Sheets were written I have seen three Printed Sheets from one Thomas Crisp a man outwardly unknown to me but that he is of an evil Spirit I know well and as I am credibly Informed he is one of the old Apostate Quakers that went out from Truth many Years since for they say he was once convinced of it but never since had the happiness because of his evil heart to return into it again as I am informed but went on still backwards more and more and was Married by a Priest and pleads for Gods allowance to him in so doing by his Spirit and also pleads for the liberty of paying Tythes by the allowance of Gods Spirit and also for the use of the Language Truth disowns as in the second Part of Babels Builders p. 5. and in all this would cover himself under the Notion and Profession of one of his Brother William Rogers his Christian Quakers Now let the Christian Reader consider whether those aforementioned were the Principles of our Ancient Friends and Brethren who came forth in the beginning in the great Authority and Power of God and doth not this envious Spirited man appear still to be in his Apostacy from the Truth doth not his Language and Principles bewray him to be no friend to the truly Christian Quaker And it may be he thinks now he hath a grand opportunity by his joyning with his Brethren W. R. J. Pennyman c. in their Rebellion and gainsaying the Truth to become a kind of dark sect-master amongst their so called Christian Quakers but they are blind indeed who cannot see such an Idle-headed Apostate as this man is who would draw Disciples after him by reproaching Gods Truth and People His three Sheets are by him called the second and third Part of Babels Builders c. wherein his Idle brain hath been at work and he hath used my name or the Letters of it eight or nine times over And his Text against me it seems is out of the 3d page of my Epistle of Caution c. where speaking of dear G. F. abused by W. R. I affirm that still he is made Instrumental in the hand of the Lord to bring forth blessed things for the service of God and his Truth from the Oracles of the Divine Breath c. This T. C. cannot endure to hear of no more than his Brother W. R. because they would have him and thousands more that fear the Lord to be accounted Apostates and so render them dead and their Divine breath stopt and so altogether uncapable to bring forth blessed things for the Service of God and his Truth but that is certainly their own Condition speaking perverse things in a heady wilful mind against such as through the Grace of God have kept the true faith of Gods Elect who cannot be deceived by their speaking perverse things against us but now Reader observe his forgery in his 2d page speaking of our Idol G. F. his Laws and would insinuate those he calls G. F. his Laws to be an Idol and me to be an Idolator to Adore them as from the Oracles of the Divine breath and in the 4th page he speaks of my having given G. F. unfitting titles and names but tells not what they are and in the 12th page he is highly offended that I should affirm that G. F. c. are the best among the Quakers or the best of Gods servants see his base foolish Spirit what has this T. C. W. R. J. P. c. done in their time for God in his service have they ever been Instrumental to turn one person to Righteousness since they were called Quakers or when did any of them Print any thing for God before they begun to push with their horns against us Now they are become Champions such as they are to draw from the Truth into their own Condition who are Apostatiz'd from it as much as in them lies and so are the Ministers of the Devil and Antichrist like ravening evening Wolves and Bears they wait to meet with their Prey and devour the Righteous seed but God will confound them and their wicked design and