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B04134 Cum bono deo. A remonstrance to the Godly party. Two maine quæries, which stand much usefull fo these our times. ... And a vindication of both. / By Andrew Logie sometime Arch-Deane of Aberdene; Penned by the author, ann. 1654, and printed 1661. Logie, Andrew. 1661 (1661) Wing L2840; ESTC R180013 29,338 52

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as Nazianzen calls it secluds a parity for what else is ORDER Quàm parium impariumque sua cuique tribuens loca dispositio and so wher all stands alike in dignity power ibi ordints decori ne umbra quidem there can be no shaddow of Order or Comlinesse from whence it is consequentiall That if we take away imparity una et eadem opera omnem ordinem inter sacros Evangelii Ministros turbatum et eversū ibimus we shall overturne all order and banish it the Church I heare some replying here That it cannot be denied that Presbyters for a time did governe some Churches pariauthoritate et communi Consilio Ans This derogats nothing from Episcopall dignity nor proves prejudiciall to it but rather confirmes the necessitie of Episcopall Charge in that this sort of Regiment even in the very Apostles dayes and times perpetuiis dissidiis Ecelesias dilaceravit did rent the Church by perpetuall dissentions I deny not with S. Hierome Episcopos presbyteris majores consuetudine magis quam Dominica Institutionis veritate but this is rightly to be understood sciz as to the appropriation of the Tule to one above another for it was Consuetudo Ecclesiae the custome of the Church that made the title of a Bishop greater then that of a Presbyter not any Dominicall or Apostolicall disposition or constitution so his words ar to be understood by accommodation and restraint to his own times and so of that Authority which Bishops so called obtained then over Presbyters Alwise for the least it is cleare and evident from hence That S. Hierome did not averse an imparitie in Church yea and giving though not granting That this imparity or diversitie of degrees amongst the Ministers of the Gospel is not founded or grounded upon any expresse warrant of Christ in the Scriptures yet this so ancient a practise taking its source beginning from the very Apostles and having continued so constantly since in the Christian Church may stand for a Precept to us and may serve us for a Directory for the regulation of our comportment and approbation of so ancient a custome and practise and not of new Institution IT is not unknown how Aeriꝰ was condemned of Heresie for condemning of Episcopacy There be many Aerians with us to day both for Name matter if it were lawfull ab eventu facta putare to cōstrue of things from their events I might mak bold here to referre the matter not only to indifferent Arbiters but to the decision of the most strict Disciplinarians whether the Church or trueth of Religion prospered or flowrished more under that Prelaticall Government as some are pleased thus odiously to traduce it then under this late Presbyteriall under which of these two the Church in her just liberties stood more or lesse eclipsed I may boldly averre That as Aarons rod budded blossomed and bore rype Almonds whereas all the rest of the rods of the twelve Princes of Israell were blasted so under Episcopall government the Trueth was maintained in greater purity the Church enjoyed farre greater Liberties freedome Priviledges then under this new coyned and forged Presbyteriall for under that facta multa accessio credentium Ecclesiae There was made a great accession of Beleevers to the Church But alas under this no lesse decession as was wel timously fore-prophecyed by a Reverend Prelate at the first rearing up of this so great so glorious cryed up worke of Reformation And if any accession bee made it is credendorum and not Credentium for these men scruple not fidei articulos condere et solvere as they durst make bold to turne Christi documentum into Nocumentum and blasphemously to call the Lords Prayer a Nocent Ceremony yea and to account the recitall of it at service a Note of Malignancy I may no lesse boldly averre now that many with us to day both in State and Church Quà ibatur cuntes but quà eundem non inquirentes from off of this so sad and dolefull experience of the bitter fruits of this lamentable Change and alteration in State as Church their Government would be glad to run back 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 et 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and submitte their necks with all cheerfulnesse to those yokes of woode under the which they were well gently pressed under that Government in both that they might shake themselves loose and free of these of Iron lying so heavily on them under these new introduced ones Veritas est filia temporis for a parity in Church hath brought on and in a parity in State and so a lamentable and deplorable confusion and disorder in both Thus no wonder That KING JAMES of blessed Memory used this ordinary expression No Bishop no KING for Quàm benè convenium mutuas sibi praestant operas et conspirant amice If I durst make bold here I would interpone my poor and meane but well meaning advice in this bussines which shortly take it thus That the Vse may remaine and be keeped on foot the Abuse onely being removed and taken away which might happily have at first composed the Contest viz. That whereas there shall happen or fall out any vacancy in an Episcopall sea or seat That the Brethren of the Diocy may fullie conveene themselves and condescend upon some selected Ones out of their Number of best abilities for a due acquitall in so eminent a Ministration and give in these to the Supreame Magistrate in a Lite or List granting him Conge de lire or Liberty of Election as Penes quem solū sit prae esse externo Regimini Whos 's solely it is to manage the externall Regiment of the Church standing with Constantin the Great Episcopus ad extra and that such a One be thus praefected over the rest for the preservation of good Order and keeping all in a right frame and shuning of Confusion upon an confused parity Ad Culpam onely And not ad vitam even in case of abuse of his Power to Tyranny for Forma Apostolica haec est dominatio interdicitur indicitur Ministratio The spirits of the Prophets stand subject to the Prophets and so their Power standing but a delegated one upon abuse may suffer and admit a warrantable repetition If this Course had been taken or presented by our violent Reformers to our sacred and dread SOVERAIGN I am assured that such wofull disorders had not fallen out in State and Church Who may not see except a Born-blind the dolefull sequels yea I may boldly now say upon sad and lamentable experience which Asseveration at the first setting on foot of this great glorious work of Reformation stood grande uefas et plus quàm morte piandum effects of an arbitrary government in State or Church For Let there be no King in Israel and then every man shall do what seemeth good in his own eyes as you may see in the latter chap. of the Judges passim Nay and let Moses the