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A58394 Reformation no enemie, or, A true discourse betweene the bishops and the desirers of reformation wherein is plainely laid open the present corrupt government of our church, and the desired forme of government plainely proved by the word of God.; Hay any worke for Cooper Marprelate, Martin, pseud.; Penry, John, 1559-1593. 1641 (1641) Wing R741; ESTC R34566 39,052 59

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lyer hung himselfe The false Apostle had their reward I doubt not And Balaam as soon as ever the Israelites tooke him was justly executed for his wickednesse The forced blessing wherewith hee blessed them saved him not Reverend T.C. page 10 11 12 13. May conjecturall speeches flye abroad of Bishops as that they are covetous give not to the poore hinder reformation Simoniacks c. but the chiefe Governours ought to take heed that they give no credit to any such things I trust never any of them committed Idolatry as Aaron did Reverend Martin Yea I beseech you that are in authority in any case not to beleeve any truth against our Bishops For these Puritans although the Bishops grant themselves to bee as evill as Balaam could never yet prove the good fathers to have committed Idolatry as Aaron did And as long as they be no worse then Balaam was there is no reason why they should be disliked You know this is a troublesome world men cannot come unto any meere living without friendss And it is no reason why a man should trouble his friend and give him nothing a hundred pounds and a gelding is yet better then nothing To bowle but seven dayes in a weeke is a very tolerable recreation You must know that Iohn of London hath sometimes preached as this profane T.C. hath given out to his no small commendations thrise in a yeare at Paules-crosse A sore labour it is reason that he should bestow the rest of the yeare in maintaining his health by recreation and providing for his family give him leave but to keepe out the government of the Church to sweare like a swag to persecute and to take some small ten in the hundred and truely he will be loath ever to commit idolatry as Aharon did I hope though Iudas sold his Master yet that it cannot bee proved since his calling that ever he committed Idolatry Reverend T.C. page 16 17. Though Bishops should offend as Noah did in drunkennes yet good children should cover their fathers salts For naturall children though they suffer injuries at their fathers hands yet they take their griefes very mildly Reverend Martin Bishop West phaling But what then Parson Gravat parson of sir Iohn Pulchres in London one of dumb Johns bousing Mates will be drunke but once a weeke But what then good Children should take linkes in a cold morning light them at his nose to see if by that meanes some part of the fire that hath so flashed his sweete face might be taken away this were their duty saith T.C. and not to cry redde nose redde nose But T.C. what if a man should find him lying in the kenill whether should hee take him up all to be mired like a Swine in the sight of the people and carry him home on his backe or fling a coverled on him and let him there take his r●st untill his legges would be advised by him to carry him home But me thinkes brother T.C. you defend the Bishops but evill favouredly in these points For you doe as though a Thiefe should say to a true man I must needes have thy purse thou must beare with mee it is my nature J must needes play the Thiefe But yet thou dealest uncharitably with me if thou blasest it abroad for though I make an occupation of Theft yet charity would cover it So say you though our Bishops make a Trade of persecuting and depriving Gods Ministers though they make a Trade of continuing in Antichristian callings yet charity would have their faltes covered and have them mildly dealt with As though T.C. there were no difference betwixt those that fall by infirmity into some one sinne not making it their Trade and not defending the same to be lawfull and our Bishops which continue in an Antichristian calling and occupation and defend they may doe so But will they leave thinke you if they be mildly and gently dealt with Then good Iohn of Canterbury J pray thee leave thy persecuring good Iohn of Canterbury leave thy Popedome good Father Iohn of London be no more a Bishop of the Divell be no more a Traytor to God and his Word And good sweet Boyes all of you become honest men maime deforme the Church no longer sweet fathers now make not a Trade of persecuting gentle fathers keep the people in ignorance no longer good fathers now maintaine the dumbe Ministery no longer Be the destruction of the Church no longer good sweete Babes now leave your Nonresidency and your other sinnes sweete Popes now and suffer the truth to have free passage Lo T.C. now I have mildly dealt with the good Fathers I will now expect a while to see whether they will amend by faire meanes if not let them not say but they have bin warned Reverend T.C. from the 20 to the 30. Though the Bishops be salty yet they are not to be excused that find fault with them for sinister ends And the Prince and Magistrates is to take heed that by their suggestions they be not brought to put downe L. Bishops to take away their livings and put them to their pensions For the putting of them to their pensions would discourage young students from the study of Divinity Reverend Martin I thought you were afraid to lose your livings by the Courtier Martins meanes But brethren feare it not I would not haue any true Minister in the Land want a sufficient living But good soules I commend you yet that are not so bashfull but you will shew your griefes Is it the treading under foote of the glory of God that you feare good men No no say they we could reasonably well beare that losse But we dye if you diminish the allowance of our Kitchin Let us be assured of that and our Lordly callings and we doe not greatly care how other matters goe I will when more worke is published helpe those good young students unto a meanes to live though they have none of your Bishopdomes if they will be ruled by me Reverend T.C. page 5.36 They have beene within these few weeks 3 or 4 pamphlets bublished in Print against Bishops The Author of them calleth himselfe Martin c. R. Martin But good Tom Tubtrimmer if there have been 3 or 4 published why doth Bishop Cooper name one onely why doth he nor confute all why doth he invent objections of his owne seeing he had 3. bookes more to confute or 2 at least then he hath touched nay why doth he confute one of them throughly seeing therein his Bishopdome was reasonably caperclawed I have onely published a Pistle and a Pitomy wherein also I grant that I did reasonably Pistle them Therefore T. C you begin with a lye in that you say that I have published either 3. or 4. bookes Reverend T.C. page 38. His gracenever felt blow as yet c. What is he past feeling wilt thou tell me that T C. he sleepeth belike in the top of the roust I would not be