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A03269 An answere to a popish ryme, lately scattered abroad in the west parts, and much relyed vpon by some simply-seduced. By Samuel Hieron, minister of the word of God, at Modbury in Deuon Hieron, Samuel, 1576?-1617.; Marlorat, Augustin, 1506-1562. Catholike and ecclesiasticall exposition of the holy gospell after S. Marke and Luke. 1604 (1604) STC 13388; ESTC S119038 35,551 44

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to the Donatists Tract 1. in Ep. Iohan. Christ bids vs we the Church should tell If things be not reformed well By Church hee meanes all such as bée Indued with Authority i The same which Paul calleth Presbyterion 1. Tim. 4.14 The Eldership These Office-bearers all men sée In times of setled Souerainty Yea and among them selues th' are knowne When th' outward state is ouerthrowne The Error of this Popish Argument When that was said in speciall You turne to Church in generall Thereby you may deceiue some fooles But soone it will be séene in Schooles This Argument of outward state Which for a Marke you intimate Against that thing doth strongly make Which you to prooue do vndertake Romes state hath sometimes bin obscur'd And hath disgraces soule endur'd Burnt k By the Gothes 547. sackt l By Charles Duke of Burbon in the dayes of Pope Clement the 7. wherevpon was made the clause in the Letany Sancta Maria c. O holy Mary pray for Pope Clement c. some Popes imprisoned m Iohn 14. Boniface 8. about the yeere 1304. Some glad to fly n Iohn 17. fled to Hetruria some banished o Vigilius 18. Gregory 9. about the yeere 1227. Where did your glorious Church abide When Popes were glad themselues to hide Peace peace no more of this for shame Rome sayth thou wilt her cleane defame * Succession Succession cometh next in place Whereby thou séekst thy Church to grace Your turne Succession cannot serue If from the Trueth Succession swerue The Iewish Church from Aaron A iust descent might stand vpon Euen when they crucifide our Lord And hated all that lou'd his Word If we shall say that Church was true Consisting of so vile a crue We cast Christ and the Apostles out Among the base and damned rout The Grecian Churches at this day For their defence as much can say p At Constantinople there hath beene a perpetuall Succession from S. Andrew Niceph. At Alexandria from Saint Marke Yet you of them doe giue this doome That in Gods church they haue no 〈◊〉 Yet if Succession were a signe Which your graund captayne Bellarmine Dares not auouch q Bellarmine sayeth it followeth negatiuely that where there is no succession there is no church but not affirmatiuely that where there is succession there is a Church I sayne would sée How Rome can proue her Pedigrée You call your Church Saint Peters chayre As though the Pope were Peters Heyre But if that ground we once deny What Papist can it verify You cannot proue by holy Writ Peter at Rome did Bishop sit The onely place which you doe name r 1. Pet. 5.13 The Rhemists say that there by Babylon is ment Rome so they cōfesse Rome to be Babylon Returneth to your greater shame The things you fetch from History Touching this poynt doe not agrée s Osorius sayth Peter came to Rome in the beginning of Claudius raigne Hierome in the 2. yere others in the 4. yere other the 13 yere Damasus saith he came thither in Neroes raign so that there is no certainty in that which they make an vndoubted principle And what our part hath herein sed By Papists stands vnanswered But if hee Bishop were indéede Tell me who next did him succéede Some Clement t The Popes decrees hold so and some Linus hold v Dorotheus Euseb li. 3. cap. 4. Hieron in Catalo Thus your succession is controld Once was a Pope suppos'd a man w Iohn 8. Platina The womans name was Gilberta a Dutch woman of Maguntium But prou'd in time a Courtezan Then eyther your Succession shranke Or you must put her in the ranke When Popes there were some two x Two Popes together Anno 1083. Anno 1058. 1062. or thrée y Bened. 9. Siluest 3. Greg. 6. all at one time and at another time Ben. 13. a Spanish Pope Greg. 12. a French Pope and Iohn 23. an Italian Pope Where thē might your successiō be One Schisme held almost fourty yere z 39. yeeres From Pope to Pope as doeth appeare a Let their Ancestors speake One Councel b The Councill of Constance did these Popes put downe And to another gaue the crowne When these false Popes the place possest I thinke you le say Succession ceast Vnity 'T Is true Christs Church is alwayes one Tyd vnto him as Head alone The partes thereof do well agrée c Acts 4.23 Like children of one Family But yet not euery company Together linckt in Vnity Must by and by be called good If Trueth by them shal be withstood To make a Calfe they all agréed d Exod. 32.1 All cry'd Let Christ be crucifi'd e Math. 27.22 Great is Diana with a shoute At once the people all cry'd out f Acts 19.34 Iohn sayd they should yéeld to the Beast Euen from the greatest to the least g Apoc. 13.16 As Christ his City is but one So is the Deuils Babylon h Vt est dei vna ecclesia sic est diaboli vn a Babylon Aug. de Ciui Dei The best sometimes do disagrée i Peter and Paul Gal 2.11 Paul Barnabas Acts 15.39 Chrysost Theophilact and Epiphanius Augustine and Hierome Cyrill Theodoret Each man hath his Infirmity Better the Discord bringing Light Then is agréement without right k Kreisson empathous omonoias he vper eusebeias diastasis Nazianz Oratione prima de pace Yet by this Marke if Rome be try'd It will fall hard vpon your side Your ioynt-consent we can not find Nor that you all are of one mind If we shall credit History You can not bragge of Vnity Where twenty seueral schismes haue béen l Genebrardus in Chro. What Harmony may there be séene The Lawes which one determineth The Pope that follows cancelleth m Stephen 6. abrogated all his Predecessors decrees Formosus tooke vp his body cut two fingers of his right hād off and buried him agayne Yet things by him abolished By next Popes are established n The following Popes Theodorus 2. Romanus Ioh. 10. confirmed all Formosus his actes And yet another o After all Pope Sergius disanulled their acts tooke vp Formosus his body cast it into Tibur Ex. Poly. Chron. comes behind Who with the former fault doth find And all which they did quite displace Reduceth to the former grace Thus one sage Counsell doth decrée Another sayth it may not bée p The first Nicene Coūcell allowed Priests mariage and the Communion in both kinds The Councels of Constāce Basil forbade the Laity the vse of the cup. The coūcel of Trent forbiddeth both the Cup to the Laity and marriage to the Clergy The third Coūcell of Carthage pronoūced him accursed called him the Forerunner of Antichrist whosoeuer should terme himselfe Vniuersal Bishop but now the Councel of Trent curseth him who shall deny the
themselues are croaking like Frogs in euery corner labouring to maintayne the Popes authority I meane the Iesuited Rout Do spread themselues in each country To draw men to disloyalty They counsell Subiects kill their kings Stabbings they vse and poysonings q Our Countrey and times afford store of examples to proue this Christ gaue no such commaundement When first he his Disciples sent Of this Conuersion if you boast Whereby poore soule Hell hath engrost I yéeld you full willyngly It well agréeth with Popery To draw Disciples is no marke For so doeth many a fayned Clarke r 2. Pet. 2.1 2. Acts 20.30 The Church to trueth which doeth conuert We doe imbrace with all our heart Thou sayst Romes Fayth once ouer all The world was famous so sayth Paul s Rom. 1.8 And Rome did first conuert our Land And hereupon you greatly stand Romes Fayth indéede once bare the bell And so it did deserue it well But Rome's not now as heretofore The faythfull City 's made a whoore t If. 1.21 So it was said of Ierusalem which had more excellent particular promises thē Rome can alledge any If new Rome now were as the old Then we with Romanists would hold If Rome become Christs enemy Then we from Babylon must flye u Apoc. 18.4 To say that Rome is therefore sound Because of old it was renownd It may a Papist satisfie But men of iudgement it denye Paul neuer Rome did magnifie As he did those of Thessaly w See 1. Thes 1.3 4 5 6 7 8. Yet now that Church is cleane defac'd And there the Turk himselfe hath plac'd The Asian Churches x Ephesus Smyrna Pergamus Thyatira Sardis Philadelphia Leodicea Apoc. 1.11 famous once Are turned to an heape of stones The golden lights y Those seuen Churches were represented by seuen golden Candlesticks Apoc. 1.20 of Saint Iohns age Are now become euen Sathans Cage Proue thou that Rome hath not declinde From th' ancient Church by Paul refinde And then I le say thou hast done more Then euer Papist did before But for first turning of our Nation I trow thou namest it but for fashion For they that looke in History Thereof can find no certainty Simon Zelotes as some say z Niceph. lib. 2. cap. 40. Did first Christs Gospell here display Euen whilest that Emperour did raigne By whom our Sauiour Christ was slayne a Gildas Lib. de victoria Aurelij Ambrosij Some say that he of Arimathy b Ioseph who buryed Christ In the yeere of grace sixty thrée From France by Philip c Philip the Apostle was sent ouer To vs the Fayth for to discouer d So sayth Gildas also Hereto agréeth a learned man That ancient Clarke Tertullian That by th' Apostles Brittanny Was turn'd to Christianity e Tertullian in his book against the Iewes amongst other places couerted by the Apostles reckoneth diuers partes of France and of Brittayne So doth Origene Hom. 4. vpon Ezekiel Pope Eleutheriuo long agoe f About the yeere of Christ 180. As his Epistle plaine doth show g This Epistle hath bin found out of the ancient records of the Kings of England Vnto king Lucius hither sent Ere Ethelbert was king of Kent h Which was about 600. yeres after Christ We hold the Fayth that then was taught But you the same do set at naught i Eleutherius referred K. Lucius to the Scriptures clean against the Papists course now and called him Gods Vicar in his kingdome which Title the Pope alone doeth now challenge When Rome the Trueth doth once forsake Then we of Rome our leaues must take If that our Church were Catholicke To come to Church thou wouldst not sticke If of the word thou knewst the sense Thou soone would'st leaue that fond pretēce Our Church that Truth doth firme imbrace Which all those hold in euery place Who leauing mens Traditions cleane Vpon the Scriptures onely leane k That is truly Catholike which euery where alwayes by all viz. true Christians is beleeued Vincent cont Haer. cap. 3. Let Papists proue that the word Catholike being takē in that sence ours is not the Catholike church Prophet THou cit'st a Text of Malachy l Mal. 1.11 Hoping to prooue thy Masse thereby Alas the reason is but small And helpes that Idol not at all In it God threateneth the Iewes Who their great Priuiledge did abuse And thought the Lord was tyed to them And vnto their Ierusalem The Prophet telles that God elsewhere Will find out those which shall him feare And in an order without blame Shall call vpon his holy Name Speaking to their capacity The Legall termes he doth apply m So Ioel 2.28 the holy Ghost foretelling the plenty of spirituall enlightening which the people shall haue vnder Christ doeth deliuer it vnder the names of visions and dreames which notwithstanding were not ordinary in the times of the Gospell And calls our Gospel-like Seruice A pure n Pure in Christ being accepted of GOD through him 1. Pet. 2.5 and spotlesse Sacrifice What ground is here then for the Masse It stil remayneth as it was A grosse deuice defaming Christ Who is our true and onely Priest o See more of this hereafter in speaking more directly of the Masse The speach of Dauid of the Skyes p Psal 19.3 But according to their account Psal 18. Vnto the Apostles Paul applyes q Rom. 10.18 And sayth their sound went farre and neere As in the stories doeth appeare Tell mee I pray what good to you This place you haue alledg'd can doe It maketh nought for Popery Or for your idle trumpery Indéed th' infamous Fame is spred Of Antichrist your hideous head And all Gods children him doe sée The man of sinne r 2. Thes 2.3 alone to bee Th' Apostles Faith was farre disperst And heere in England was reherst Sith then our doctrine is the same To it belongs part of their fame Continuance YOu say Christs Fayth must still endure I yéeld that nothing is more sure And alwayes God a Church will haue Though thereat Sathan rage and raue s Math. 16.18 It glads my hart that Christ hath prayd Thereby I know my Fayth is stayd t Luke 22.32 The Comfort of Gods holy Sprite Is eche good Christians sole delight This prooues there still a Church shal bée And herein thou and I agrée To prooue the Church tyed to one Sea Requireth yet a better Plea The Fayth of Christ may styll abide Though Rome should into Tibur slide Gods spirit is frée and is not bound v Iohn 3.8 Within the Lists of Romish ground When thou canst proue by holy writ Christs Fayth to Rome by Charter knit Then shall thy tale some credit find Where now it turneth all to wind But yet Continuance is a Note Of Gods true Church Paul hath wrote That there should still some teachers be w Eph. 4.11