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A persvvasion to the English recusants, to reconcile themselues to the Church of England Written for the better satisfaction of those which be ignorant. By Iohn Doue Doctor of Diuinitie.
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Dove, John, 1560 or 61-1618.
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STC 7085; ESTC S110110
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constance_n especial_o they_o hold_v such_o a_o principle_n as_o they_o be_v not_o bind_v to_o keep_v faith_n and_o fidelity_n with_o a_o heretic_n but_o suppose_v we_o have_v be_v present_a we_o shall_v have_v stand_v for_o cipher_n and_o not_o for_o a_o number_n because_o they_o be_v link_v together_o in_o the_o same_o confederacy_n to_o suffer_v nothing_o to_o pass_v which_o may_v be_v prejudicial_a to_o the_o see_v of_o rome_n three_o bellarmine_n define_v those_o counsel_n 4._o tom._n 1._o controver_n 4._o cap._n 4._o only_o to_o be_v universal_a where_o all_o bishop_n of_o the_o world_n either_o be_v or_o may_v be_v present_a these_o be_v his_o word_n vbi_fw-la adsunt_fw-la aut_fw-la adesse_fw-la possunt_fw-la omnes_fw-la episcopitotius_fw-la orbis_fw-la and_o in_o the_o next_o chapter_n he_o define_v that_o council_n only_o to_o be_v lawful_a which_o the_o pope_n have_v approve_v and_o the_o catholic_v general_o have_v receive_v but_o neither_o all_o can_v be_v present_a as_o i_o have_v declare_v neither_o have_v the_o great_a part_n of_o catholic_n yet_o receive_v that_o council_n with_o the_o decree_n thereof_o for_o they_o be_v refuse_v by_o the_o catholic_n of_o germany_n france_n hungary_n bohemy_n poland_n as_o our_o own_o experience_n can_v tell_v us._n in_o the_o three_o place_n forasmuch_o as_o i_o have_v show_v you_o that_o christian_n dwell_v in_o one_o place_n be_v to_o meet_v together_o for_o the_o exercise_n of_o their_o religion_n which_o consist_v in_o these_o three_o thing_n prayer_n the_o word_n and_o the_o sacrament_n let_v we_o examine_v the_o word_n which_o we_o teach_v the_o liturgy_n or_o form_n of_o prayer_n which_o we_o use_v the_o manner_n of_o our_o administration_n of_o the_o sacrament_n whereof_o we_o will_v that_o they_o shall_v be_v partaker_n concern_v the_o doctrine_n as_o i_o say_v before_o we_o hold_v with_o they_o the_o same_o creed_n and_o the_o same_o bible_n concern_v which_o bible_n these_o have_v be_v the_o chief_a 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command_v to_o do_v we_o be_v but_o unprofitable_a servant_n and_o therefore_o we_o will_v rely_v upon_o the_o merit_n of_o christ_n alone_o renounce_v ourselves_o and_o our_o work_n let_v they_o judge_v then_o who_o be_v safe_a they_o or_o we_o our_o difference_n be_v not_o concern_v the_o work_n itself_o but_o only_o concern_v the_o opinion_n which_o we_o ought_v to_o conceive_v of_o the_o work_n they_o think_v honourable_o we_o base_o of_o our_o own_o work_n but_o work_v the_o same_o and_o certain_o the_o worthiness_n of_o work_n do_v not_o consist_v in_o the_o excellent_a opinion_n which_o we_o conceive_v of_o they_o but_o in_o the_o true_a and_o faithful_a work_n not_o in_o the_o please_a of_o ourselves_o with_o ourselves_o or_o any_o thing_n which_o procee_v from_o us._n of_o free_a will_n this_o question_n have_v breed_v some_o difference_n between_o we_o in_o the_o school_n and_o yet_o if_o we_o do_v understand_v each_o other_o we_o may_v be_v easy_o reconcile_v for_o the_o scripture_n speak_v so_o plain_o that_o they_o take_v away_o doubt_n we_o be_v say_v they_o not_o of_o ourselves_o sufficient_a to_o think_v a_o good_a thought_n as_o of_o ourselves_o but_o all_o our_o sufficiency_n be_v of_o god_n the_o way_n of_o man_n be_v not_o in_o himself_o neither_o be_v it_o in_o man_n 10_o 1._o corint_fw-la 3._o jerem._n 10_o to_o walk_v and_o direct_v his_o step_n no_o man_n come_v to_o christ_n unless_o the_o father_n draw_v he_o draw_v i_o and_o we_o will_v run_v after_o 7_o john_n 6_o cant._n 1_o rom._n 7_o thou_o what_o good_a i_o will_v do_v that_o do_v i_o not_o the_o evil_a which_o i_o will_v not_o do_v that_o do_v i_o say_v the_o apostle_n to_o conclude_v therefore_o there_o be_v three_o sort_n of_o agent_n the_o one_o work_v of_o his_o mere_a will_n and_o pleasure_n which_o be_v god_n the_o other_o of_o necessity_n which_o be_v nature_n a_o three_o between_o both_o these_o extreme_n partly_o of_o willingness_n and_o partly_o of_o necessity_n which_o 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with_o we_o who_o prayer_n they_o confess_v to_o be_v void_a of_o exception_n they_o deny_v not_o but_o that_o it_o be_v better_a to_o pray_v to_o god_n then_o to_o saint_n why_o then_o have_v they_o not_o rather_o be_v sure_a of_o the_o first_o place_n then_o doubt_v of_o the_o second_o their_o prayer_n to_o saint_n may_v breed_v a_o scruple_n in_o their_o conscience_n whether_o they_o do_v well_o or_o no._n for_o if_o they_o hear_v they_o not_o their_o prayer_n be_v idle_a word_n but_o they_o must_v answer_v at_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n 12._o matth._n 12._o for_o every_o idle_a word_n which_o they_o shall_v speak_v as_o we_o pray_v not_o to_o saint_n depart_v so_o we_o pray_v not_o for_o saint_n or_o any_o other_o decease_v if_o they_o be_v in_o heaven_n they_o need_v not_o our_o prayer_n if_o in_o hell_n no_o prayer_n can_v help_v they_o and_o we_o dare_v not_o say_v they_o be_v in_o purgatory_n since_o purgatory_n by_o the_o confession_n of_o bellarmine_n be_v a_o tradition_n &_o not_o contain_v in_o the_o scripture_n he_o write_v that_o there_o be_v many_o thing_n necessary_a to_o be_v know_v which_o be_v not_o contain_v in_o the_o scripture_n he_o do_v reckon_v they_o up_o in_o order_n and_o he_o place_v they_o so_o first_o that_o woman_n be_v purge_v from_o sin_n though_o uncircumcised_a second_o that_o child_n that_o die_v before_o the_o eight_o day_n be_v also_o purge_v from_o original_a sin_n three_o many_o gentile_n in_o the_o old_a testament_n be_v save_v four_o that_o of_o necessity_n there_o be_v some_o book_n which_o be_v the_o holy_a scripture_n fift_o that_o it_o must_v be_v know_v which_o book_n be_v the_o holy_a scripture_n sixth_o that_o the_o book_n which_o we_o have_v in_o our_o hand_n be_v the_o holy_a scripture_n seaventhly_a that_o the_o scripture_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v eight_o that_o mary_n be_v a_o perpetual_a virgin_n ninthly_a that_o easter_n be_v to_o be_v celebrate_v on_o the_o lord_n day_n tenth_o that_o infant_n be_v to_o be_v baptize_v eleventh_o purgatory_n but_o mark_v his_o word_n he_o say_v many_o thing_n be_v necessary_a to_o be_v know_v which_o be_v not_o contain_v in_o the_o scripture_n among_o those_o he_o make_v purgatory_n to_o be_v the_o eleven_o therefore_o he_o affirm_v that_o purgatory_n be_v a_o thing_n necessary_a to_o be_v know_v and_o not_o in_o the_o scripture_n and_o yet_o as_o a_o man_n that_o will_v halt_n between_o two_o religion_n to_o please_v we_o and_o not_o displease_v the_o papist_n do_v lay_v it_o upon_o luther_n say_v credit_n lutherus_n purgatorium_fw-la esse_fw-la &_o tamen_fw-la asserit_fw-la purgatorium_fw-la non_fw-la posse_fw-la probari_fw-la in_o sacris_fw-la literis_fw-la luther_n say_v he_o believe_v that_o there_o be_v a_o purgatory_n and_o yet_o say_v it_o can_v be_v prove_v out_o of_o the_o scripture_n the_o question_n be_v whether_o bellarmine_n do_v not_o say_v so_o as_o well_o as_o luther_n if_o he_o do_v not_o first_o why_o do_v he_o not_o express_v his_o 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