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A28379
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An essay tending to issue the controversie about infant baptism from the parity, at least, of Scripture-light concerning infant-baptim [sic] with that of women's being admitted to the Lord's Supper, shewing that there is as good grounds out of Scripture for the one as for the other : occasioned by a tender made by H.D. in his late book against infant-baptism who is willing to put the whole controversie concerning it, upon this issue : together with an answer to the most material things in that book /
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Eremnalēthēs.
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Wing B3192; ESTC R25634
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chap._n 23_o 24._o say_v that_o the_o baptism_n of_o infant_n be_v not_o derive_v from_o the_o authority_n of_o man_n neither_o of_o council_n but_o from_o the_o 2.15_o the_o by_o tradition_n he_o mean_v not_o a_o unwritten_a tradition_n but_o a_o scriptural_a one_o such_o as_o the_o apostle_n mention_n 2_o thes_n 3.6_o 2_o thes_n 2.15_o tradition_n or_o doctrine_n of_o the_o apostle_n cyril_n who_o live_v in_o julian_n time_n upon_o levitic_a cap._n 8._o approve_v the_o baptism_n of_o child_n and_o condemn_v the_o iteration_n of_o baptism_n these_o authority_n of_o man_n say_v he_o i_o do_v allege_v not_o to_o tie_v the_o baptism_n of_o child_n to_o the_o testimony_n of_o man_n but_o to_o show_v how_o man_n testimony_n do_v agree_v with_o god_n word_n and_o that_o the_o verity_n of_o antiquity_n be_v on_o our_o side_n and_o that_o the_o anabaptist_n have_v nothing_o but_o lie_n for_o they_o and_o new_a imagination_n which_o feign_v the_o baptism_n of_o child_n to_o be_v the_o pope_n 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