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time_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o disease_n that_o first_o settle_v in_o the_o head_n easy_o pass_v through_o all_o the_o body_n consider_v how_o apt_a all_o man_n be_v to_o desire_v that_o all_o man_n shall_v think_v as_o they_o do_v and_o consequent_o to_o lay_v a_o necessity_n upon_o thou_o recive_v that_o opinion_n if_o they_o conceive_v that_o a_o way_n to_o have_v it_o receive_v and_o then_o if_o it_o be_v believe_v general_o profitable_a as_o for_o example_n confession_n who_o will_v be_v apt_a to_o oppose_v their_o call_n it_o necessary_a for_o the_o same_o cause_n for_o which_o they_o call_v it_o so_o beside_o if_o this_o error_n be_v deliver_v by_o some_o father_n in_o the_o hot_a opposition_n of_o some_o heretic_n it_o may_v be_v none_o of_o his_o side_n will_v oppose_v it_o lest_o they_o may_v take_v advantage_n by_o their_o dissension_n and_o he_o that_o dispute_v for_o the_o orthodox_n side_n may_v lose_v by_o it_o much_o of_o his_o authority_n section_n 45_o 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