Selected quad for the lemma: tradition_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
tradition_n	baptism_n	church_n	infant_n	1,849	5	8.8630	5	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A78120	A small treatise of baptisme, or, dipping. VVherein is cleerely shewed that the Lord Christ ordained dipping for those only that professe repentance and faith. 1. Proved by scriptures. 2. By arguments. 3. A paralell [sic] betwixt circumcision and dipping. 4. An answere to some objections by P.B. Psal.119.l30. By Edvvard Barber.	Barber, Edward, d. 1674?	1642 (1642)	Wing B694; Thomason E143_17; ESTC R212733	26,999	39

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