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A34085 A scholastical history of the primitive and general use of liturgies in the Christian church together with an answer to Mr. Dav. Clarkson's late discourse concerning liturgies / by Tho. Comber ... Comber, Thomas, 1645-1699. 1690 (1690) Wing C5492; ESTC R18748 285,343 650

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while there was any thing of such Eminency in the Church (n) Disc of Lit. pag. 155. And again a little after Diligent and frequent Preaching was the happiness of the Fourth and part of the Fifth Age and its security was the excellency of those Bishops who were the lights and ornaments of those Times (o) Disc of Lit. p. 190. So that for ought I know this Age was a good one for all this long Character of its degeneracy and if I had a mind I could fill as many Pages in its commendation as he hath done in its disgrace and therefore if Liturgies had come in then it had been no hurt no nor any disreputation to them However this Argument thus managed could not injure them Secondly As to his formidable number of invidious Quotations I have taken the pains to examine them all and besides that jumbling of Authors and Times and repeating the same Instances twice or thrice which is his usual way of proceeding I dare assure the Reader there are some of them falsly cited more of them misapplied and most of them impertinent and though I doubt it will be a little tedious yet I will make some short Remarks upon them by which it will appear that these Instances thus cited and applied give a worse Character of him that produces them than they do of the Age intended to be blackned by them Pag. 181 c. If the Church were in so bad a state in and long before S. Chrysostom's Time as that Father piously complains I would fain know when it was in a good state Wherefore this must be taken for Rhetoric and the effect of his Zeal against divers evil Men not for a strict and universal Character of the Age As we may learn from Isidore of Peleusium who Wrote within 20 years after S. Chrysostom's Time and was his Scholar in an Epistle cited by my Adversary very often though he omits this Passage who admires this Age which S. Chrysostom condemns and saith There were Bishops then who were lovers of Vertue averse to Honour delighting in Poverty and Fearing God (p) Isidor Pel. lib. 5. epist 21. pag. 559. So that these holy Men blamed their own Times and commended the former and no Argument can be drawn from these pieces of popular Oratory Pag. 182. Isidore of Peleusium who is so often cited was a pious but discontented Monk living under the Jurisdiction of Theophilus his dear Master S. Chrysostom's mortal Enemy and he was further provoked by one Eusebius a very ill Man who was Bishop of that Diocess where his Monastery stood and by the profligate Lives of Zosimus and two other wicked Priests ordained by the said Eusebius and therefore he doth not speak of the Church in general which a retired Monk could not be supposed to know but in most of the Quotations he refers only to Theophilus and Eusebius and some ill Clergy-men in that Province yet my fraudulent Adversary still applies these Passages as if he spake of all the Bishops and Priests in the World As for the place here cited first Isidore blames a Schism which had then hapned for all the Evils which were broken in upon the Church and he adds that they had now lost all the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Gifts of former Ages (q) Isid Pel. lib. 3. ep 480. pag. 410. so that it seems the Gift of Prayer was then gon The next Quotation out of Isidore (r) Id. lib. 2. ep 5. pag 128. only shews that the Apostles Times were far better than those he lived in nor doth he there blame any body but himself and so it is nothing to the purpose Pag. 183. The next Page contains nothing but his affirmation That the Service of God was more corrupt than when it was first instituted Origen indeed shews how the Pagans had corrupted it by their Idolatry c. which he applies to the Christian Church above 200 years after Origen's Death and S. Chrysostom is not at all speaking of Religious Worship In Matth. hom 50. pag. 323. Pag. 184. S. Augustin is twice cited as if he blamed the Church of his Time for prescribing numerous Rites and imposing them yet he lived 100 years before my Adversary allows there was any thing prescribed or imposed But if we consult his Words it will appear that S. Augustin is only speaking of Corrupt Practices observed with great exactness by the Superstitious Vulgar not enjoyned by the Church Aug. ad Jan. Ep. 119. cap. 19. idem de morib Eccles lib. 1. cap. 34. It was these ignorant and superstitious People who began to venerate Pictures and Sepulchres for which the Church reproved them And if Petrus Gnapheus did as he pretends put in the name of the Virgin into the Prayers An. 483. He was a declared Heretick and his Fact ought not to be charged upon the Orthodox who did not imitate him therein But Forms had found Entertainment long before this Pag. 185 186. He fills his Margen with Isidore's Complaints of Theophilus and Eusebius and some others in those parts as if Prelacy had degenerated and the Bishops grown Tyrannical all the World over And he generally breaks off his fraudulent Quotations just at those Words which Isidore puts in to declare he doth not speak of all the Bishops and Clergy no not in that Province So he leaves out 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 (s) Isid Pel. lib. 5. ep 21. which place is again so cited pag. 187. These things I do not speak of all Thus he writes horrid Corruption of the Clergy (t) Ibid. lib. 5. ep 131. but will not quote those words 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 For all are not fallen into this Gulf. Again he cites another Epistle for a general Accusation where he might have found a large Encomium of one Clergy-man and this limitation 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 I do not accuse all (u) Idem lib. 3. ep 223. And he might if he pleased have seen a very high Character of Hermogenes a Bishop of that Age and that Country (w) Idem lib. 5. ep 448. p. 466. But his omitting all these shews he designedly perverted this Author to represent the Bishops and Clergy of this time as being generally depraved which argues my Adversary to be as destitute of Integrity as he was of Charity I need not observe that his Quotation out of S. Chrysostom is no more but a just description of the Episcopal Office without any complaint (x) Chrysost hom 37. Tom. 6. Nor that Isidore in the next place cited is only speaking of the fore-mentioned evil Bishops and Clergy-men (y) Isid Peleus lib. 5. ep 272. And it is not he as the blundering Editor thought but Nazianzen who adds the next words And as for that Good Man 't is well known he was angry and highly disobliged when he made the Oration here Quoted And yet he doth not as my Adversary saith wish there were no Prelacy that is No