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A50712 Observations upon the laws and customs of nations, as to precedency by Sir George Mackenzie ... Mackenzie, George, Sir, 1636-1691. 1680 (1680) Wing M186; ESTC R5733 107,612 141

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precedency_n resolve_v question_n i._n whither_o in_o competition_n betwixt_o kingdom_n state_n and_o town_n be_v their_o present_a condition_n to_o be_v consider_v or_o what_o they_o be_v former_o to_o which_o it_o be_v answer_v with_o this_o distinction_n viz._n either_o the_o kingdom_n or_o other_o place_n betwixt_o which_o competition_n be_v state_v remain_v the_o same_o that_o they_o be_v in_o their_o substantial_o and_o then_o the_o former_a precedency_n be_v still_o continue_v as_o for_o instance_n though_o rome_n whilst_o it_o be_v a_o commonwealth_n do_v sometime_o admit_v of_o a_o dictator_n who_o have_v indeed_o the_o power_n of_o a_o king_n yet_o they_o remain_v still_o the_o same_o commonwealth_n and_o therefore_o be_v the_o same_o in_o substantial_o they_o ought_v to_o have_v the_o same_o degree_n of_o precedency_n continue_v or_o when_o two_o or_o three_o kingdom_n be_v without_o any_o alteration_n unite_v in_o one_o as_o the_o kingdom_n of_o scotland_n and_o england_n be_v unite_v into_o the_o kingdom_n of_o great_a britain_n under_o king_n in_o the_o same_o race_n who_o succeed_v to_o both_o as_o be_v full_o demonstrate_v by_o alb._n gentil_n pag._n 82._o and_o this_o be_v likewise_o clear_a from_o l._n proponebatur_fw-la ff_n de_fw-fr judiciis_fw-la &_o l._n 24._o ff_n de_fw-fr legat._n 1._o but_o where_o there_o be_v a_o substantial_a alteration_n call_v by_o aristotle_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d well_fw-mi 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d there_o the_o former_a condition_n be_v not_o consider_v but_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d or_o present_a condition_n of_o the_o place_n in_o competition_n be_v that_o which_o ought_v to_o be_v consider_v and_o thus_o when_o a_o kingdom_n come_v to_o be_v conquer_a by_o a_o stranger_n and_o by_o a_o strange_a and_o foreign_a nation_n there_o the_o state_n of_o the_o kingdom_n be_v absolute_o innovate_v especial_o if_o the_o law_n of_o the_o state_n be_v alter_v and_o therefore_o the_o french_a lawyer_n be_v of_o opinion_n that_o the_o precedency_n of_o england_n ought_v only_o to_o be_v compute_v from_o william_n the_o conqueror_n because_o at_o that_o time_n a_o stranger_n and_o a_o strange_a nation_n do_v conquer_v the_o say_a kingdom_n and_o the_o fundamental_a law_n of_o it_o be_v much_o innovat_fw-la and_o if_o this_o be_v not_o a_o alteration_n none_o can_v be_v for_o the_o antiquity_n of_o land_n can_v give_v precedency_n for_o all_o land_n be_v create_v together_o and_o there_o be_v few_o nation_n so_o conquest_n as_o that_o the_o former_a people_n do_v not_o remain_v so_o that_o there_o can_v be_v no_o precedency_n upon_o that_o account_n though_o some_o who_o be_v extravagant_a in_o their_o zeal_n for_o their_o country_n do_v argue_v its_o precedency_n from_o the_o first_o age_n of_o the_o world_n as_o vasquius_fw-la do_v that_o of_o the_o spanish_a empire_n in_o deryve_v it_o from_o tubal_n cain_n praefatio_fw-la in_o contravers_n illust._n question_n ii_o whether_o a_o kingdom_n become_v a_o commonwealth_n or_o a_o commonwealth_n a_o kingdom_n do_v their_o former_a precedency_n remain_v this_o question_n have_v two_o branch_n wherein_o the_o difficulty_n differ_v the_o first_o be_v whether_o that_o town_n or_o place_n which_o be_v a_o republic_n have_v become_v a_o monarchy_n or_o principality_n ought_v it_o to_o retain_v the_o precedency_n due_a to_o the_o former_a commonwealth_n and_o that_o it_o ought_v to_o retain_v the_o same_o precedency_n may_v be_v argue_v because_o when_o one_o thing_n be_v surrogate_n in_o the_o place_n of_o another_o that_o which_o be_v surrogate_n ought_v to_o have_v the_o same_o privilege_n with_o that_o in_o who_o place_n it_o be_v surrogate_n surrogatum_fw-la subit_fw-la naturam_fw-la surrogati_fw-la but_o so_o it_o be_v that_o the_o subsequent_a principality_n be_v surrogate_n in_o place_n of_o the_o former_a commonwealth_n and_o