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A92768 A sea-cabbin dialogue, between two travellers lately come from Holland Translated out of Dutch; and dedicated to all those who desire to understand things rightly. 1652 (1652) Wing S2166G; ESTC R230267 35,605 66

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stories that was a fooling age wherein men and their followers were charmed by love toyes even as Vlysses his men were by Circes The English present warriours think more on the laying of their enemies in the dust then of powdering their haires they fight and pray as Moses and the Israelites did Kit. In this kinde you seem to talk of Saints but I pray you doth not the world conceive the contrary of some of them Boul. Puf the world is a Fools-cap there is no gold without some drosse before it be seven-times refined Kit. I but when will that be at Doomsday think you Boul. I beseech you let me proceed and stop your fierd-brand vain Do not the English as they lye in their beds see through their Windows the Hollanders fleet sailing too and again along their Coasts Were not the Hollanders constrained to advise their Indian Squadrons to saile about when the businesse of Amboina was first reported May they not be taken every where and every day Have the Hoghen Moghen so many Shires of firm ground as the English And whereon Nations may live happily and may make the Seas the parting-wals betwixt that great Nation that careth not whether any come amongst them or no In England all the Elements are good among the Dutch all the Elements are bad the English have within themselves whatsoever they need the Dutch have nothing of all they want save Butter Cheese and Fish And for all the fire-brand-like expressions of the firing of Fleets at Sea in Ports and Harbours nay the very Stairs of London Bridge Tavern though it be granted that all the Canon shot from the Block-houses at Gravesend should doe no harm against such Barks as might take the opportunity of Windes and Tides and dark nights though Men-of-war riding on the River and be lovingly linkt together with Cable-bracelets should not be capable to hinder the passages of such Boats no more then the Damiaten chains could impedite the Belgians fetching away of the silver Bells which are at Harlem Finally suppose that men should be so moapish as to believe the old stories which Mother Shipton recounted in a Chimney-corner or such like which Almanack makers have divulged on the same score when as they wanted mony to clear those which they had made in Ale-houses and Tobaco-shops In the mean while I pray have not the English Bacon to make Fire-ships withall as well as the Hollanders can they not make use of Drebbels or such like inventions to drive between two waters and to get under any of their adverse parties ships And when as you talke of Dunkirk cannot the English stop up that Harbour or any other they shall have a minde unto As it was intended during the late breach between Spain France and England Really I am of an opinion that neither the English nor the Dutch will be so far overshot in the true principles of State as to be diverted by bravado's far lesse by scare-crows viz. the pretended impossibility of an agreement betwixt them The General States may ever remember their own saying Concordia res parvae crescunt magna dilabuntur they have done well wisely and like themselves in going for England where they may try what may be done in a friendly way when as the English will also doubtlesse be so wise as to remember the Scripture saying viz. Beati pacifici and to accept of possibilities as well as of conveniencies Moreover I am confident that this will fall out according to the Marquis of Spinola's usual saying who was of an opinion that Treaties ought never to be refused viz. Entretenemos à essa platica let us entertain this parley so likewise doe the Dutch also say Tuschen loven ende bieden vergaederen end vereenighen de lieden between asking and bidding chapmen assemble and agree The rigour of the law it is true demands the life but the Judge doth for the most part suffer the party to be freed by a more easie satisfaction Kit. It seems then that you minde an agreement and not to say as the French viz. Il fait bon pescher en eau trouble It s good fishing in muddy water Boul. Why truly I ever minded it according unto the Italian saying Qui pissa chara gaba el medico He that makes clear water may laugh at the Physitian I did ever endeavour to perswade all men to agree and when as I found parties to be at such a distance and at such an enmity together as that it was requisite to use art in the reconciling of them as then I endeavoured to deceive them both by a lawfull stratagem onely to make them friends Kit. But how could you make that good since deceits is alwayes to be abhorred Boul. Deceit in such like punctilo's is not only lawfull but very necessary as for example When a Spanyard is to be treated withall he must be made believe by reason of his haughty humour and high spirit that his adverse party seeks him And truly the Hoghen Moghen be it spoken without offence were so well acquainted with their own strength as that they would hardly have been induced to yeeld unto a parley with the Spanyards had they not been made to believe that Speck-John as they call the Spanyard was out of breath and were glad to lay their heads as it were on the block To instance herein I shall only alledge the effects of some words which unfortunately were uttered by the Chancellour of Brabant Peckius in a Speech which he had intended to make unto the General States at the expiration of their twelve years Truce when as he onely said thus viz. That it was conceived those States had as then had time enough to bethink themselves whether or no it were not fit for them to reunite themselves with the King of Spain At which very words the Assembly rose interrupted his speech and rejected the Treaty Declaring unto the said Peckius that all the favour they could shew unto him was to save him from the Turff-wives rage at Delft as he past through that place in his journey homewards Kit. According unto your computation therefore the Hoghen Moghen and English must needs agree for you would as I perceive have the one to offer fair and the other to take lesse and thereby gull all the fire-brands whatsoever a match it must needs be to your thinking but say you so why as then for all this the Hollanders will be too hard for the English howsoever Boul. Lesse of your brags I pray Kit. What I urge stands with common sense and reason and I will make it good Boul. I shall laugh at that heartily Kit. They may agree that I grant you and remain in possession of Esau's Pottage to boot and yet neverthelesse the English shall never attain unto those advantages which the Hollanders possesse Boul. I should wonder if you could clear me that point Kit. I shall easily doe it and though I may prove to be