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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A86800	A letter written to a gentleman in the country, touching the dissolution of the late Parliament, and the reasons therof.	Hall, John, 1627-1656.; Milton, John, 1608-1674,	1653 (1653)	Wing H352; Thomason E697_2; ESTC R207083	12,175	22

impossibile for to lose such a Liberty of choosing a Representative as a Rationall Man may expect good from It is a scruple that hath vex'd many People how and in what manner or whether or no we are to obey new Governments this is the second point I proposed and this comes by reason of Oathes impos'd by Governours who think thereby to chain Men to them whereas if we consider it promissory and obligatory Oathes tye private men Semper ad semper as the School-men tell me whereas obedience to a Sovereignty which being plac'd in one or more is the same extends nor can extend no further than during the protection thereby received For to put the Case at the worst I am among a Company of Theeves commanded upon my life not to discover the Casuists say that this secrecy of mine though they be Outlawes and persons under the heaviest censure of Iustice ought to be perform'd for this is but a price of my life besides my promise and in that consideration I ought to forbear it But I 'l take it at the best sense insteed of falling into the hands of Theeves I am under the protection of those that protect me from them and then I must say that I owe these Men the very same obedience but much more Religiously and with a greater deal of honor and veneration than the o other The first may take away my life if they please the second cannot only secure me but avenge my blood upon the Murtherers The first are unaccountable unlesse by their private punishment These responsible For I remember a thing that Bodin said excellently that The King though he make Lawes it tied to those Lawes and therefore accountable They are invisible These visible And therefore a man would rather chuse his security of such as he knew where to repair to and by whose means he might be redressed than such a one as could not own it self For let men imagin what they will yet upon largest consideration and deepest experience they must find that Allegiance and Protection are so related that they cannot be separated one from another and that the absurdities of the contrary are such as cannot rationally be avoyded For I must necessarily swear either to Person or Place by the Person I understand a Man Governing or claiming to Govern either by himself or Successors by Place I understand a particular Mans Vassalage Liberty or Privilege in any one Country As to the first it concerns not me by what name any Man is distingnished the determination of his power determines my obedience which as I have said is correlative to protection As if Charles Stuart should enjoyn me a Command I should perish in I ought not by any Law of God or Man to obey unlesse he could protect me in the execution ●hereof Or suppose the King of France should command me to Proclame the same person King here I should be so considerate as to remember a Hurdle and Tyburne and therefore disobey For if the Civilians allow it and that Generally that a stranger doing a misdemeanour in another Country though properly he is not tryable by the Lawes of that Country yet thereby ought to be punished I say it is as much reason that a Native doing against the Lawes of his own Country be they in whose hands they will should be ten times more punished if it were possible as a breacher of Faith and a desertor of that protection by which he lives Honest men may dissent in little things and it may be their wayes of reasoning are not the same but for any man under what pretence soever to act against the grand design of the happinesse of his Nation is such a matter as whoever would tell me that a Man were a peaceable Man and withall assaulting me with a Stilletto There is yet another thing that may stick in your Stomach which is the last thing proposed by me which in respect you have urged with a little earnestnesse I am content to clear you of and that is the great losse of Reputation which you suppose we may receive from our Neighbours and Correspondents abroad Certainly Sir if you would but remember that in matter of publick Treaties Persons are not dealt with but Nations for our late King Treated with Don JOHN of Portugall and yet this was no breach of the League between him and Spain it can signifie no more than the Alteration of the Title of their Credentialls For all Treaties between States are between the Powers of those States And though Usurpation or Election appoint one Name yet still it amounts to this that the State is concerned and that only Friendships in private men are different from those of Princes and that as much as the Mariages of Princes one to another Princes are Married by Interest and Pictures private Men by acquaintance and affection and no doubt if Boccalini were alive and should hear any Man affirm that they did otherwise he would say they were Tramontani and not allow them Portar la dottrina sopra le spali But this doth not come home to my question that which I would particularly insist on is this that I believe this change or event will contribute more to our happinesse than if we had still languished under our former sufferings I have told you what the Head of the Army is to tell you of the rest were a● vain flattery and inconsideracy but since God hath own'd them as such Excellent and Worthy persons and made them glorious in their severall Generations I must be content to look up and reverence them 'T is true great Births are hard in the Labour and many Glorious men have been cut out of the Womb Therefore wonder not if the account that they may give you be slow or possibly slower than you expect I am no Member of their Councills and by a late infirmity lesse able to attend them yet if I can believe any thing or understand Men when they make the clearest professions they intend all noble things both as to the glory of our good God the making happy of this poor Nation setling the Liberties of it and reducing of us into one mind and one way But these are not only wishes of mine but hopes and certain expectancies and I believe they will convince these men to be lyars that speak against them But now I think I have put you to all the tryalls of your patience which if my infirmity had not been which confin'd me to my Chamber I could not have done but I rely so much on your Candor and I believe you think so well of my veracity as I want not the impudence to affirm my self however you take it Your affectionate Servant N. LL London May 3. 1653. FINIS