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A12677 Nevves from Spayne and Holland conteyning. An information of Inglish affayres in Spayne vvith a conferrence made thereuppon in Amsterdame of Holland. VVritten by a gentleman trauelour borne in the lovv countryes, and brought vp from a child in Ingland, vnto a gentleman his friend and oste in London.; Newes from Spayne and Holland. Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610.; Walpole, Henry, 1558-1595. aut 1593 (1593) STC 22994; ESTC S102266 41,764 84

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asseuerations touching thes poynts to be euidently false and founded commonly in layne lying and this not only in matters of religion but also in al other publique affayres and negotiations which is a sore blemish to so publique a person for the which I can assure you this man giueth him many wayes such rough hewing and vttereth so many particulers of the present state of Ingland and vseth so often your owne lawes stories and cronicles to proue it as it maketh all sortes of straungers wonderfully desirous to reade it The third author which I haue seene wrotte in flaunders as it semeth and is named Dydimus Veridicus as a man would say Thomas tell truth vvho being a subiect of this kinge as he pretendeth and both witty and eloquent and taking vppon him principally to defend the king his masters procedings towards Ingland and to refute the particuler accusations layed agaynst him in the proclamation he waxeth very sharpe many tymes not only agaynst my lord Treasorer as philopater doth but also agaynst the whole state vvhich greaueth me to reade As for example at the begining in the 9. page of his booke for that my Lord Burley semed to bragg in his proclamation of the most quiet state and gouerment of your common vvealth for 33. yeares togeather while other common wealthes rounde about you haue lyued in broyles this man taketh in hand not only to proue that all thes broyles haue bin procured by Ingland but also that Ingland it selfe is far of from al condition and nature of a true quiet common vvealth and thus he begineth The peace and tranquility of a kingdome or common wealth is not troobled only by armes and open vvar of the publique enemie abroad or at home but principally and most daungerously of al other by the disorder and disagrement at home of her parts and members among themselues and by the violent proceeding of such as manage the same vvhich three examples that ensew shal declare That house cannot in very truth be said to be in peace though yet neyther vvith their ovvne people within nor vvith their neyboures without they be not at buffets vvhere the master liueth in suspition of his seruants the officers doe beat and vex the houshould vvher some runne avvay some hide themselues some cry out some scould other complayne vvher al is ful of contention and disputes noe obedience but only for feare no respect but only perforce vvher honest men doe starue for hunger innocent men are afflicted quiet men vvhipped seditious trooble some heades doe commaunde and exact by terror there most iniust and violent commandements Secondly that Shipp cannot be sayd to hold a good peaceable course though the sea be calme and vvinde in the deck vvhere the master from the mariners and shipmen from the passingers do disagree are reuiled beten and spoyled the one by the other ther marchandize taken away themselues eyther opptesed or stong into the sea the cables sayles ankers and other tackling broken or putt into cōfusion the ship defiled with blood and loden vvith dead carcases and nothing founding within but sighes and sorrowe and desolation of such as miserably liue vvounded in her And last of al that cytie cannot be sayd to be in peace or in any security though it be infested yet vvith no enemye from a broad vvhose gouernours do giue themselues vvholy to terror and crueltie do multiply prisons fetters gardes and spies do make new penal lawes abolish the olde and do inuent new taxes and impositions euery day do seeke all occasions to pole ther people at home inforce them forth to be theeues abroad do kepe fayth with none do cast in prison banish spoyle and consume the better sort pull downe the nobility oppresse the cleargy finally do put al there hope in the feare of the people and none in ther good wil thus sayeth Didimus agaynst that first poynt of your L. Tresorers proclamation And after he hath persued many particularityes of the afflicted and dangerous present state of Ingland by reason of the diuision in religion disuinon and hatred betwene protestants Catholiques and puritans complaints and discontentments on euery side incertainty of succession vnto the crowne pouerty of the people for lack of trafique breaking of marchants for the same cause burden of vnnecessary and vnprofitable warres dayly multiplying of intolerable tributes pestering the realme with innumerable renegat and rebellious straingers liberty of theeues by so long permission of piracy vniust vvarres diffidence distrust in the one towards the other and open domestical dissention in euery towne parish and particuler house ouer all the land for one cause or other After al this I say he passeth on to compare the estate of Ingland with other kingdomes common vvealthes abroade shewing the great hatred obloquie which your country is in for styrring vvarres and rebellions on euery side but for no one thing more thē for so opē dealing with the Turke the publique enemye of al christian professiō inuitinge styrring him to turne his forces vppon Christendome therby to hurt the king of Spayne which this mā anoucheth to be euidēt not only by the oftē embassages letters presēts sent vnto this professed enemye of Christs name from Inglād thes later yeares but also by a playne letter written by the Turk himselfe about three or fowers yeares agone to the Queene about this matter soone after the defeat of the spanish Armada which letter being intercepted in Germany printed ther both in the Latin germane tonges was afterwards published agayne and inserted into an History of our tymes set forth by on Ionson Doccom of friselande and now agayne laid abroad by this Didimus and the letter is vvord for vvord as followeth for that I suppose you vvilbe desirous to see it thus then goeth the title HONORATAE A DOmino legis christianae matronae culmini castitatis inter castissimas faeminas populorum qui seruiunt Iesu c. In Inglish thus TO the honorable matron honored by the lord of Christian lavv to her that is the hight and topp of chastity among the most chast women of al people that serue lesus to her that is adorned with the glory of domination gouernment ladie of many kingdomes reputed of greatest power prayse among the nation of Nazarens to witt Elizabeth Queene of Inglād to whom we wish a most happy and prosperous ende You shal vnderstand by thes our high and emperiall lettres directed vnto you that your embassador residing in this our high and noble court did present vnto the throne of our greatnes a certayne writing of yours which informed vs how that for thes foure yeares past you haue made warr vppon the king of Spaine therby to breake and diminish his forces by which he is become dreadful vnto the rest of Christian Princes hath determyned to make himselfe lord ouer al monarch of the whole world besides more
religion by which occasion also I tould them vvhat I had seene and hard in Spayne and read vnto them the former letter narrarion vvhich I had made redy to seale vp send avvay presently vnto you by the post but aftervvardes hearing diuers politique and important discourses as to me they semed vvhich some of these men made vppon this narration of myne and some considerations also of state as they termed them vvorthy the noting thought good to stay the letter by me for some dayes to the end I might send you also thervvith the principal pointes vvhich I hard debated and so now I doe The chiefe subiect or argnment of al their speech for diuers dayes meeting at an ordinary table vvas vvhether the present gouerment of Inglish affayres setting a side al regard of partiality to religion vvere in it selfe and according to reason experience and law of pollicy to be accounted vvise and prudent and consequently vvhether such as chiefly managed the same and namely the lord Burley were in truth a vvise má or no in vvhich particuler though some of the company for affection to his religion did for a tyme stand much in his defence yet so many were the argumēts of the other side as in the end they semed greatly to yeild to vvish nothing so much as that the said lord had bin present but for one houre if it had bin possible or some other that vvere priuy to his councelles to yeild reason of diuers points there called in question vvhich semed scarse defensable not only for lack of iustice or cōscience for that therof they said they vvould take no regard but that euen in nature of humane vvisdome and pollycy set downe by Machauel him selfe or by any other of lesse conscience then he they seemed erronions and of thes are such as hereafter do ensue First some of them said though not al that supposing that nether the Queene nor Sir William Cecil at the death of Queene Mary had any great repugnance of conscience to follovv and continew on the religion then setled in the realme as both of them but especially Sir Williā Cecil had oftentymes protested euer shewed by deedes during that reigne it semed a great ouersight in reason of state to make so vniuersal a change of religion vvhich hath bin the cause of al difficulties and daungers since seing that vvithout this change the Queene and he might haue brought about vvith much more security vvhatsoeuer they pretended by this other meanes and hereuppon vvere brought agayne into consideratiō al those reasons and arguments of state vvhich at that tyme Sir William Cecil M. Bacon did or could lay before the Queene to moue her to this change against both her owne inclination and the opinious of the rest of her principal councellors vvhich reasons concerning especially as is supposed and knowne her Maiesties affayres vvith the pope about her fathers mariage and her legitimation vvere founde by euery mans censure here present to be but playne illusions for that much easier should her Maiesty haue bin able to compound those affayres vvith the pope if she had continewed in his religion then by breaking from him and for all other temporal matters both for her owne person the realme they had proceded no doubt most prosperously and neuer come into thes brakes breaches vvherin now the vvhole world seeth them to be And as for M. Cecil and Bacons owne particuler aduancements vvhich is persupposed vvere principally respected in this persuasion there vvould not haue wanted occasions enough to furder the same also in a catholique estate as vve see by so many aduaunced set vp by catholique Kinges of our country in former ages and the two late minions Ioyous and Pernon exalted in our dayes to so great dignityes by the last King of fiance And Rigouez of a page made a Prince and two of his sonnes Dukes vvith diuers others to like preferments aduanced by the king of Spayne that novvis that vvith much lesse enuy hatred and abhomination and vvith much more security of Continuance to their families then the greatnes of Cecil and Bacō is like to finde say these men that vvas procured by so great a conunlsion of the vvhole common vvealth and therfore in this first poynte and entrance to al the rest they are thought to haue byn neyther vvise nor lucky as one day their posterity vvil testify to the world this is the first point that was discoursed of The second ensewing on this first vvas that supposing that change of religion had byn the best and surest vvay for those intents that vvere designed to vvitt of her Maiesties state and thes mens preferments yet sayd most of this our conference it had bin a matter of farr more wisdome and pollicy seing pollicy vvas their foundation to haue made this change to some other religiō receaued in the vvorld abroad and therby to haue ioyned vvith some other party or to the communion of some other people or prince when they brake from that of the Catholique so strong and general ouer al Christendome rather then to set vp a party alone agreeing vvith no other vvhat soeuer As for example if they had councelled her Maiesty to admitt Luthers doctrine and religion as it lyeth and is practised by the followers therof they had consequently ioyned vvith some Princes of Germany as nam ly vvith the Duke of Saxony King of Denmarck and others that make profession of that religion Or if they had persuaded her grace to haue imbraced the religion of Caluin plainly and intirely as he taught and exercised thesame then had they entred therby into communion and frenship vvith Geneua and diuers others states of Swizerland as also vvith the Princes of the religion called the reformed in France Flanders and Scotland and by thes meanes at least had they gayned some new party to be assured to our realme by this band and vnion of religiō which is the strongest and most durable of al other But novv for them to put downe the old state of religion that was so vniuersal and so vvel backed and in place therof to put vp a nevv of their owne only deuise that hath no stay or trusty frend at al out of your owne realme for that it agreeth vvith no state people natiō or common vvealth christian besides your selues vvas such a peece of work say thes men as a man may rather wonder at the boldnes of the deuisers then any way commend their iudgments considering the incōueniences that dayly do ensew therof and must doe euery day more and more and is impossible in mans reason that it can continew And albeit in Ingland simple people are often told and many do beleue that al new religions sprong vp in thes dayes both in Germany france Scotland flaunders at home if they be against the Catholiques and namely those of Lutherās Caluinistes and protestants are but one religion