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A40456	Querees propounded by the Protestant partie concerning the peace in generall, now treated of in Ireland, and the answers thereunto made in behalfe and name of the Irish nation / by one well affected thereto ; to the first copies whereof many things are inserted and much added.	French, Nicholas, 1604-1678.	1644 (1644)	Wing F2182; ESTC R35691	21,588	38

the Catholicke Subjects of England and Ireland relinquish Henry the VIII when he forsooke his owne and their Religion why did not he loose his Crowne when he lost his faith Why might not the Romish subjects of France fall off from the late French King and his Father when they gave tolleration of Religion and liberty to build Churches and Synagogues to the Huguenotes Why lost not they therefore their Crownes But to come neerer home did not our dread Soveraigne King Charles condescend unto such propositions of the Scots as stood not with their loyalty to demand nor in his power to grant to omit all other witnesse the abrogation of Episcopacie or unmitering of Bishops who be the first of the three states of every Christian and Catholicke kingdome as appeares by severall his Majesties declarations yet extant This his Majesty did onely to content that Nation and save that Crowne albeit the former followed not heavens grant the later may for they must have aliquid amplius to wit Kings un-Crowned and Monarchy pull'd downe how ever his Majesties protestant party in England Ireland or Scotland fell not therefore from him neyther is he therefore discrowned and yet must both follow if he give content to the Irish in your opinions or his Royall assent to their propositions albeit they containe nothing but what may modestly suite with their fidelity to propound and justly with his Majestie power and expediently with his gracious benignity to grant that which hath beene their owne for ten or twelve ages consequent and what they enjoyed in quiet possession ever since the Conquest during the happy Raigne of fifteene or sixteene Kings his Majesties predecessors before Henry the VIII and since then violently wrested from them by tyrannie oppression and surreptitious Lawes fraudulently introduced by the bloud-sucking ministers of this subordinate governement Moreover what concernes it the protestant Subjects of England and Scotland whether we have content or not How are they any way impeached or improved thereby or how therein interessed What loose they by our liberty or gaine they by our restraint Can not they goe to Church though wee goe to Masse the broad Sea is betwixt us we will be no eye-sore to them If it be for their brethren here we seeke not the abrogation of their Religion or abreviation of their lawfull freedome or ought else derogating to their honour securitie or peaceable cohabitation as appeares by our propositions now in Print to the eye of the world As for his Majesties protestant party protestant party here in Ireland not to undervalue them they are no way considerable For over all Munster Vlster and Connaght such as for a while did seemingly proclayme themselves for the King doe now absolutely disclayme in him and declare themselves for the Parliament and consequently his enemies so as his Majesty hath no protestant party here but onely in Leynster and that but in a destroyed nooke thereof to wit in the Counties of Dublin and Louth and a part of Kildare and Meath for Doncanon is fallen off in all which they cannot make up one thousand five hundred protestants fighting men where among these shall hardly cull out two hundred I might well say two score heads well squared to the Kings rule the rest as also all the protestant inhabitants of Dublin and their other Townes farre much more then the most part have their heads so Round as they cannot hold rouling to the Parliament when the least occasion is offered As for their hearts they are from the beginning in the bosome of their pure brethren in VVestminster-hall and their heeles are all as nimble and ready to dance a scottish-jigge and a parliamentall revolta to Essex hornepipe if execution were as easie as thought is free and wishes facil all which is manifest by their Common-prayers publicke discourses and Commerce and slocking to the Parliament Ships whensoever they hover over our coastes and thus are they all affected and infected from head to foote save a very few of the prime whereof some being strangers can make no other party then their houshold servants other some though by birth or descent Natives and bigge in bloud and calling and in precedent times vast in possessions and powerfull in command yet now as the winde blowes they beare but low and fagge sayles and can make no more way then the meanest vassals by reason their numerous allyes friends and followers are all Roman Catholickes and consequently adhering to the Confederats with whom not being united their power is as poore as that of the Alyens So as the premisses maturely pondered his Majesties protestant party disioyned from the Catholicke is no way here considerable Will you then upon the onely reason of an ungrounded Antipathy in Religion advise his Majesty to discontent a whole Nation for complying soly with the wilfull malice of so fractious frayle and feeble a party as that of the protestants I say in Ireland for those of England they cannot alleage rationably any reason for opposing our peace save also a meere hatred to our profession which is the reason of fiends who because their selves are in bale cannot brooke others should be in blisse or their hearts are forsooth purified and their heads sphearified and so in the behalfe and behoofe of their pure brothers they cunningly intend by this opposition to weaken his Majesty by fomenting a continuall difference twixt him and his Catholicke Subjects of Ireland whose party they know to be so powerfull both at home and abroad as were matters fairely composed content given them they might strongly assist to quench the fiery fury of the Parliament and reinthrone his Majesty as now de facto they begin to doe in Scotland by a small succour of two thousand Irish sent thither to joyne with the Kings party there whereby it appeares how highly an union betwixt his Majesties Catholicke and protestant Subjects in his three kingdomes conduceth for the quelling and quayling of his enemies and reestablishing of his Royall person in his full power prerogatives and glorie For if a poore ayde of two thousand men onely can so much prevayle what may a large contribution of a hundred thousand pounds in Coine or more and ten thousand men yea twenty thirty it neede be I have beene over fuse I confesse in my answer to this Quaere because it is the objection most frequently and fervently obtruded Quaere 4. Will you loose the kingdome by going to a new warre againe will you utterly undoe it and your selves by a new breach You are not able for the Scots or my Lord of Insiquin and the Parliament party that is in the kingdome much lesse for my Lord Lieutenant and his party whom you will force to joyne with the Scots and parliament and so hold but with the longest and ●…st Resp. I answer these arguments of weaknesse m●… bee retorted on your selves Will you that pretend so much loyaltie and zeale to serve his Majesty loose the

QVEREES PROPOVNDED BY THE PROTESTANT PARTIE CONCERNING THE PEACE IN GENERALL Now treated of in Ireland and the answers thereunto made in behalfe and name of the Irish Nation by one well affected thereto to the first copies whereof many things are inserted and much added QVEREES PROPOVNDED BY THE PROTESTANT PARTIE CONCERNING THE PEACE In Generall c. WIll you Article Covenant and indent with your King It becomes not Subjects it argues mistrust of his Majestie This Nation saith it hath beene often deceived abused by some ministers of state here for this kingdome by whose practises they were frustrated of all the Kings favours and graces conferred to them for which they granted and payed about three hundred thousand pounds sterling not very long since and soone after besides ten large Subsidies in the Earle of Strafords time for all which monyes amounting neere to a million of pounds sterling they obtayned little or nothing And the said graces are still suppressed and stopped Next the state here takes all advantage of this Nation for their Religion by misrepresenting them to his Majesty to suppresse and keepe them from the government thereby to possesse all places of honour trust and profit eyther in the Army or Common-wealth and so raise themselves by casting perpetuall clouds of disloyaltie and disaffection betweene the King and his people as lately they did when they forsooke and betrayed the English pale first and consequently the rest of the kingdome to be over-run and ruined in the beginning of these Commotions and yet they misinformed his Majestie and procured what Commissions they pleased to prosecute the said Pale with extreme cruelties and so by the Sword and colour of Law to have their estates by attaynders and forfeytures whereat all other partes of the kingdome were amazed and distracted Therefore in this subordinate government so jealous and irkesome to the people it is necessary to be on sure termes for the future and that Catholickes have a hand in the government to prevent the like mischiefes And on these grounds it may well become Subjects to Article with their Soveraigne which argues no distrust of his Majesty but of his ministers whose hands must still hold the helme seeing the Kings owne hand cannot reach thereto Quaere 2. Will you force the King and worke now on his necessities He will remember it to you hereafter and hee may recall what he shall now promise nor will hee conceive himselfe bound to make good what he shall now grant you considering the condition he stands in Resp It is not in our thoughts Onely wee propound motives to support his Majestie and to advance his service a whole Nation to the last man and the revenue of a whole kingdome if neede be to the last penny to support his Crowne on contentment now to be given this people a hundred thousand loyall Subjects and good fighting men to spend their bloud in this quarrell for his Majesty and foure or five hundred thousand pounds sterling by the yeare as shall appeare by the particular heads of the revenue of this kingdome layd downe hereafter is worth the acceptation and may invite his Majesty to give content to this people He then that will hinder or oppose this to loose the King such a considerable party and assistance can be no other then an enemy ayming at nothing else but to weaken his Majesty by diverting this Nation as it were by compulsion from his service And this is not to force the King and worke his necessities but to helpe him and relieve them and to buy our Peace with the marrow of our purses and bloud of our veines which his Majesty may indeede well remember hereafter not to recall our liberties but to record our loyalties Moreover his Majesty may aswell in future say that he is forced to the conditions of peace profered as to those demanded for neyther the one nor the other would ever have beene granted in precedent times though not by want of gracious inclination in his Majesties to favour us but by the sinister characters which his ministers here ever gave him of us Quaere 3. Will you loose the King all his protestant party which will fall from him and will you loose him all his protestant Subjects of England and Scotland and consequently his Crowne of both kingdomes which must follow if he give you content Resp. Can you imagine that any Subjects which be true subjects will forsake their Prince because we tender ayde of men and monyes and propound motives to advance his service nay rather the protestant party will advise his Majesty considering the condition and necessity he stands in to give content to this Nation thereby to gaine so considerable a party and assistance to support his Crowne and themselves Nor can they once suspect with reason if they will not put it on him of purpose as a seeming occasion of their defection from him that his Majesty is not constant to the protestant Religion seeing they well know he is by education and in his beliefe and opinions as firme a protestant as ever England bred as is most manifest by all his declarations and proceedings though it stands not with the pollicy of the Parliamentaries to make this an article of their beliefe for they hold it a deepe mysterie of state to misbelieve the King and not suffer him to be believed in this particular thereby to traduce his Majesty and cause the Subjects still conceive he is inclined to Papistry whereof they take their greatest advantage purposely to seduce and incense the people against him Now if you feare the protestant party will so lightly fall from his Majesty as you would faigne perswade us to lessen our conditions you may aswell pretend any expression of favour which shall be granted us were it but a connivence or tolleration of our Religion to be a cause sufficient for the like defection but if the said protestant subjects be of resolution to continue true and constant to his Majesty what can more powerfully encourage them thereto or hold them more stedfastly to so generous and just a resolve then an ample supply of men and moneys offered by us on a good peace to backe and second their party the weakenesse whereof is not perhaps the least cause of all their feares and wavering betweene the King and Parliament But suppose the King were Catholickely affected and would absolutely restore us our Religion and the publicke use thereof in as full and ample manner as ever we enjoyed it in the times of his Majesties predecessors from the Conquest to Henry the VIII would therefore or rather should all his protestant subjects fall from him and must he therefore forfeyte his Crowne Your Quaere answers they would and he must it followes then they are onely conditionally Subjects not absolutely and his Majesty holds his Crowne by a conditionall Tenure not by an absolute both which are absurd Why did not all