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B02316 A conference between two souldiers meeting on the roade. The first part the one being of the army in England, the other of the army in Scotland, as the one was coming from London, the other from Edinbrough. 1659 (1659) Wing C5729A; ESTC R176594 14,816 22

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not both a good Government and Civill Authority setled was onely their own fault and their neglect was the cause of their first interruption and our late Innovations m●n finding in so many Years so little Fruit from a Parliament which made even the name of a Parliament loathsome to all Men. But it seems while they can Rule with the Sword it s well enough and a good Civill Authority But when the Sword cannot fulfill their wills then all must be Rebels and Traytors And all that now they went about or chiefly was to get the Sword into their own hands but what they would have done after few know onely we may guesse by their former carryage Scotl. But I pray what doe you intend further I hope you doe not purpose alwayes to keep up the Sword When shall we have a Par●iament for that onely will satisfie us and the people Engl. To Governe by the Sword is not more hatefull to any then our selves and had the late Assembly gone about the Framing and setling such a Government as might have answered the ends of our late warrs and troubles they had taken a wiser course to have engaged both Army and People to them And as for the Calling of a Parliament so soon as a Forme of Government is agreed upon such Principles and Fundamentall Constitutions as may fully secure our dear bought Liberties you will heare that the Calling of a Parliament will be the first work Scotl. How when a Forme of Government is agreed on I pray who must agree in that Can any doe it but a Parliament Engl. In England heretofore Parliaments never had it in their power to meddle with or dispute the Forme of our Government that was never in question before them Kings were alwayes granted to be our Chief Rulers and therefore here is the Ground of your mistake The difference betwixt King and Parliament was not about the Government but the Laws by which we were to be Governed which after a Government setled will be left to Parliaments as before Scotl. Who then must appoint a Government Engl. You must consider That our warr hath not been betwixt the people of a whole Nation wherein all were of one mind and a Forreigner but a Civill Warr amongst our selves one party against another and a third party looking on And finding in the pursuite of that just Cause of Liberty which was begun That the very Forme of Government was as well burthensome as the Ruling Person and his Prerogative we saw it necessary to lay aside both together which though it begat us new Enemies and was opposed by many yet God was pleased to prosper and give us the Conquest over them And now to tell you the truth in plain termes we conceive that in deciding this Controversie God hath not onely given power to those that were instruments in carrying on his work amongst us to secure their own Liberties but also to see such a new Forme of Government setled as will fully establish the Rights of all other men and deliver them from that bondage under which they have long layne both as to the inner and outward man from which God hath now rescued them with a strong hand as he did our Fathers of old from Egyptian slavery And we conceive it is not onely the right but the duty of all those whom God hath kept stedfast to carry on this work not onely to see a Forme of Government setled in roome of that which is cast down But such a Forme as will in the Principles and Fundamentall Constitutions thereof fully settle and secure our Liberties as Men and Christians the summe of that good Cause in which we have been so long engaged And that they ought not to give up the power which God hath given unto them unto the common newtrall and disaffected spirit of the Nation to Judge of and determine what hath been the quarrell and what shall satisfie and be the price of so much Blood and Treasure which is the onely cause why we dislike a Free Parliament that is a Parliament chosen by the body of the people Newters and Enemies as well as Friends Scotl. Truely we feare a Free Parliament that is a Parliament chosen by the whole Body of the People as well as you and herein we are in a straite We are satisfied That a Parliament is the best Government and yet a Free Parliament will destroy us and that chiefly makes us call for the old Parliament which of necessity even for selfe security we conceived would adhere to our Cause Engl. As to the old Parliament I have said enough and if you will have more I pray what Jurisdiction had they over Ireland and Scotland those by whom they were not chosen was it by the peoples consent or our Conquest I hint this to shew you how much they have walked by our Principles which they would now condemne and have they not still owned us in all things we did till 1653. and justifie us in turning out all others till it came to their own turne that did as justly deserve it And as for Parliaments viz. Representatives Trustees or Deputies of the Peace we are cleare with you That all power being in the people their Delegated power ought to be Supreme yet consider their Trust is still conditionall and therefore liable to the same question and punishment as Kings or others and we are as much for Parliaments as you can be after a Government setled And seeing our former Government is dissolved I meane Monarchy we look upon the good people of England as standing with the Sword in their hands which is their highest State of Soveraignty including in it all lower Magisteriall Offices not subjected to the Rules of any Forme of Civill Government but what themselves orderly Assembled for that purpose shall think fit to make which being once agreed and setled We doe Professe and Declare our free and ready subjection thereunto and either to returne to our particular Vocations if there can be found sufficient intrinsecall strength and vigour in any such frame of settlement our condition considered as to support it selfe against visible opposition 〈◊〉 to be servants to the people to secure the same against all viol●tors whatsoever Scotl. But what Can you set limits to a Parliament how can you restraine their absolute power that will take away their Freedom and Priviledge Engl. After many sharpe contests between our Ancestors and the Kings of England our Ancestors at last got a Grant of their Liberties which were setled in a Charter as Fundamentall Constitutions not to be altered and all Laws afterwards to be made contrary or repugnant thereunto were to be voyd which was yearly to be Read in Publique Courts of Judicature and a solemne Curse to be pronounced against those that broke it which was of force till the late Change of Government and yet was never taken as an abridgement of Parliamentary Power or restraint of their Liberties but was