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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A91886	A short discourse between monarchical and aristocratical government. Or a sober perswasive of all true-hearted Englishmen, to a willing conjunction with the Parliament of England in setting up the government of a common-wealth. By a true Englishman, and well-wisher to the good of this nation.	Robinson, Henry, 1605?-1664?	1649 (1649)	Wing R1678; Thomason E575_31	16,476	20

perfect and natural Heir to his Fathers Quarrel and Design as to his Crown and Dignity But the great thing to be wondred at is That any which love Presbyterial Government should dote on Monarchy especially after the Raign of such a person and stand out against this Government which the Parliament have now set up Aristocracy in Church and Monarchy in State do not run so paralel in the expressions what ever they may do in the sence Kingly Government hath never been yet very propitious or benign to Presbytery the most favour it hath got in any Kingdom is but to have a Toleration as in France and in this Nation it 's hardly a probationer but Episcopacy hath been that ancient Government which hath been bred up with Monarchy and hath of late been its greatest Darling to maintain which much of the Royal Interest hath been engaged the late King making one of the grounds of his War to be the taking away of that Government which he thought to be so fundamental and sacred that all Religion was wrapt up in it and to confirm his love unto it dyed with a Bishop in his arms And such inseparable union is between Monarchy and Episcopacy that King James himself as soon as ever he came out of Scotland into England and found himself to be a King made this State Maxime No Bishop no King which is to this day unrepealed and by experience confirmed for they have both dyed together as Twins in the bosom of each other and if we do but look a little back we shall find that Presbyterial Government never thrived well no not in Scotland the most fertile soil and natural climate wherein it flourisheth most until the King was removed at such a distance and yet what attempts have both King James and Charls made but to overthrow it in Scotland as being most unsuitable to Kingly Government and they have little cause to think that their Charls the Second will forget his Grand-fathers and Fathers Legacy And now we have begun to mention Scotland it may be some may bring in them as a president to us as formerly to the Church so now to the State who notwithstanding all their inconveniencies which they have found by Monarchy yet have thought fit to continue it and that in the right line of Succession It 's well known the Scots love the Name but care little for the Company or Power of a King Neither is it much to be admired that they should proclaim King whom they never intend shall rule over them for they well know how to make use of the Name though they mean not to subject to the Power The Scots are not a Nation of as much state and riches as other Kingdoms but of as much design as any and they well fore-see that whose King soever he be England must maintain him and bear the greatest burthen while they enjoy his small Revenue in Scotland and get places and pensions from him in England so that he must be their King but our Tyrant All that understand the Affairs of Scotland know that were it not for the name of the King the factions of their Nobility and Gentry are so great that Peace could never be kept among themselves and yet if they had a King really among them it would impoverish both Gentry and Nobility who must contribute to maintain him who in England by pensions and places hath set up them But I would not too much open the nakedness of that Nation but wish them much good with their King and his hideous train of Malignants which must necessarily follow him where ever he himself is entertained with any respect or honor Onely they should have given him title to their own Nation and have left our Parliament to have chosen for us who are come to sufficient years of discretion and have learnt to understand both their King and them but it seems it would profit them little to have him King of Scotland if he were not also of Great Britain It is for us to consult our own concernments and not trouble our selves with examples If we chance to differ from other States it 's because they have not the same advantages nor we the same causes and grounds of following them All that is proposed by the Parliament is to reduce us into a Commonwealth and if the name do not offend I know not why should the thing And as to that reverent plea of the Antiquity of Monarchy in this Nation we may answer with grief it hath been too long and we have had time enough to try and feel the sad effects of it and Kingship may very well after so long a personal reign and advancement of it self give way to a Commonwealth that the Nation may get some good and enjoy some Liberty after their long servitude to it Antiquity is an argument for nothing but truth and goodness else error and usurpation will plead its gray hairs and make a demonstration of its divinity with the best advantage And wheras many wise men object the danger of changes in States and Governments the unknown consequences which may follow it 's confest and therefore the Parliament hath took time and deliberation and tryed all expedients and made the best essays for security of the Nation without it But that change cannot be dangerous where the continuation of a former Government in such persons hath proved and is inevitably mischievous as it is in our cause and yet we have not changed our Laws or the Fundamentals of the former Government but onely the persons and mal-administrators of it that it 's but a change of persons and names which have acted and are like to act to our destruction and so hinder mischief from running in a blood And if we will with seriousness and observance look about us we may discern a bright Star of Providence leading us directly to it and a harmony of wonders and mercies accompanying it and blessing on the Parliaments proceedings in it that men which shal oppose it may wel be said to fight against the very arm of the Almighty and slight many a glorious work which God hath done by weak and ordinary instruments And whereas many men nourish their discontents against it by the present distempers they finde in the Nation and are apt to think and be made beleeve That our condition is worse then it was in the time of the late King by reason of Taxes and Oppressions They should consider the cause may be in themselves who give no better ground of security to the Parliament of an honest and faithful compliance but by their new discontents keep up our fears which makes them keep up an Army and had they been wise men who thus object they would have considered that we are not onely framing a new Government but changing the old and that we are not in in Republica Platonis but in face Romuli It 's easie to frame an Idea of a new Government

Common-wealth whereas while they act in a Parity among themselves as their judgements are most free from being acted by Superior influences so their Debates and Results must needs be of more common and publique concernment they themselves having an equal share in that good which is done unto the whole That if we do but cast up our accounts right we shall find that Kings are but meer chargeable Ceremonies or Ciphers of little use but to contract humors and promote personal designs destructive to the being and well-being of Common-wealths for they neither are executioners of justice themselves nay scarce many times Counsellors nor do any special or publique work and yet for meer custom and formalities sake we must have one man adored having a supreme power invested in him and be maintained in the greatest State and Glory meerly to sit still and have the best and wisest and most faithful and gallant instruments bow down and rejoyce but to kiss his hand If any King hath ever yet been more then ordinarily active or instrumental it hath been to prosecute some design which would advance his Supremacy more Independently against the Publique Good as the late King was in his Wars against this Nation And what ever other Nations may experiment if we have found any good by Monarchy in this Nation it is that it hath made us I hope know what Liberty and Law is and to prize them the more Quae libertas ut laetior esset proximi Regis superbia saceret Which Liberty we should esteem more had we but one tryal of the next KINGS Raign And as there is nothing more vertually and really in Monarchical then what is in Aristocratical Government and nothing to be expected by the one but what may be done by the other with less fear of danger and without such costly formality So Aristocracy or this Government of a Common-wealth the Parliament have set up is the most even and just Government that any men have yet come to the knowledge of it being a middle State between Popular Anarchy and Prerogative Tyranny whereby men are freed from the necessary exorbitancies of both and seated securely in a uniform and equal condition free from all extreams in which the people are best represented and by which the Laws and dispatches of Justice and other affairs have a quicker and easier passage with less noise Tumult then if they should run down from the high mountains of Prerogative and Majesty in the dispensations of which you have little cognisance of justice or reason but of grace and favor Kings and Princes seldom granting any thing though never so just but it 's ever as from grace so with an expectation of something from the people to advance their Prerogative the doing of which may be a greater loss and hazard then the former grant could be of concernment to them But in this other Government as justice runs more smoothly and clearer and is not painted with Royal colours so the people have a more immediate way to the redress of all their grievanc●s and are not forc'd as to clime too high so not to go to far about or through so many mercenary Favourites or rooms of State or be scar'd with the suddain beams of supposed Majesty but come to their own Representatives that themselves have chosen and who may be in the same condition and are to be tryed by the same Laws themselves which they for the present judge others by And it 's observable These few Nations which have once got the opportunity which some have ventured hard for with little success of casting off Kingly Power have naturally and out of choice fallen into this Government as the middle and best and that which was most safe and sutable to Liberty and Justice and how these Nations which have been under it have flourished I could mention if it were needful in multitudes of testimonies And not to go so far back unto the Roman State that little time it enjoyed it Let us view these little spots of Land in Europe that live under this Government how do they lift up their heads in strength and wealth above all their neighbours to name no more but the Netherlands and Venice The first even on a suddain even by it's Wars against Monarchy enriching of it self beyond many Kingdoms of ten times a larger continent and the other defending it self yea annoying one of the greatest Empires under the Sun And there is no reason why England should not flourish under it much more who hath a more Natural defence of it self then other places have and more reason and advantage of setting it up then any other people have yet had and doubtless the Climate and Air is not incompetible to it Had other Nations but the Liberty to speak and the Freedom to choose as we have we should soon hear which way the Vote would go But let it be found out as a Phoenix That some Nations have had Liberty and Justice under the Raign of some Kings which were of singular tempers and vertues or it may be had not time enough or opportunity both to plot and act designs together yet when Government shal come to be hereditary Regal Power advanced by succession there must needs be unknown mischiefs propagated together with it And all mens liberties are cast away on a peradventure at the best for be he young or old wise or unwise vertuous or vicious talis qualis he must be entrusted with all the Liberties it may be of many Nations and a necessity of bondage and misery without remedy successively entailed on men and their posterity All liberty of dissent or choice which is the birth right of rational and free-men being utterly denyed to them and destroyed by a titular plea of succession to that which it may be the person is neither fit for the mannagement of being a child or weak or worthy of through vice or ill conversation And however other Nations may out of hidden secrets of State think Monarchy best for them and be willing to venture at succession yet to us it would not be only inconvenient but mischievous Having justly cut off the Fathers head for a wicked and ill Goverment to enthrone the Son who was engaged in the same quarrel and hath entertained the same principles with an addition of more malice and revenge and what were it but to give that power to undo us which we through the providence of God have happily deprived his Father of For as we had no hopes of the late King but were in continual danger of taking advantages by us so we cannot have any probable expectation from his Son who was engaged Body and Soul in his Fathers Interest and trained up from his cradle in blood who besides his Youth and so his unfitness to manage the Affairs of such a State hath a double portion of his Fathers Spirit of Pride and Tyranny on him besides his Mothers blessing and is the

of Oblivion for all former miscarriages whether real or supposed and take the advantage of advancing our good by the present opportunity having cause to fear that if we neglect this we shall never enjoy the like advantage for Truth and Liberty And least men might pretend Conscience or Reason to countenance their dis-affection to this Government of a Commonwealth I shall humbly entreat honest men to consider That there is no such supernatural stamp or Jus Divinum set on Monarchical Government which should engage mens hearts unto it so peculiarly more then on any other excepting onely such a State which hath not form and order in it What ever mens affections may be to one Government more then another I know not but there is no Divine Character of respect more on one then other But God who is a God of Order hath ordained Governments and delights to see his Creatures made happy by them and therefore hath left them to choose what they think may be most fit for that end and to call it by what name they please and that Government which is in one place called 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 an Ordinance of God is in another called 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 a creature or institution of man the power it self being from God the distinction and personal administration from man and if it were not so no Government but one could be lawful or to be obeyed by any people as an Ordinance of God And by consequence if Monarchy have this impression onely from Heaven no Government but that is to be accounted lawful or obedience to it from any spiritual rule but force and necessity which not any that hath his veins never so full of royal blood will maintain Those that take the divinity of Regal power from its similitude and likeness it hath unto God and his Supremacy and oneness in the Government of the World plead rather for the Turkish or Russian Monarchy then for Englands they holding for a more exact likeness to God in their sence ruling all by their own wills independently from any whereas onely that Government hath Gods heart in it specially which is founded in Righteousness and propagated by Justice and doth most bless a Nation with Truth and Peace But if men will refer the judgment of Monarchy to what God says of it when it was first mentioned to him by his own People as desirous to be under it it 's most observable though I would not make it an argument That no distinct Order of Government had ever such a signal blur and stamp of dislike from God as Monarchy nor did ever any people receive a publique check from Heaven for choosing any Government but King-ship and it stands on record to this day that God was displeased but at the motion of the children of Israel to have a King as the Heathens they being not content with the wisdom of God who chose another Government for them as better and more fit for honest and godly men he gave them a King but in wrath And if God were so displeased with them but for asking a King after the manner of the Heathens which King God himself should have a vote in the choyce of how will he be with us who will have a King which God hath rejected But though many good hearts may think the jus divinum to be alike yet they may finde many Obligations to Kingly Government in England which are sacred and may lie on their Consciences as an impediment to a full closing with this Government which they may in Reason be convinced is fit and necessary I confess there is nothing of more reverence in the eyes of any serious spirit then solemn Oaths and Covenants whereby men are obliged to God as well as men and have their Consciences to answer as well as Reason Yet there may be too scruplous a Conscience and many times Conscience is made too great a pretence and covert for inward malignity and dislike of things themselves Yet what ever pretence men may make of their Obligation by Oath to another Government such Oaths cannot be binding now when not onely the persons but the Government it self is removed the very Commands of God which are affirmative binde not ad semper to all times and particular movements and I hope no godly man thinks any other Covenant to be everlasting but the Covenant of Grace We all grant that no Oath bindes me when I am dead neither can any Oath binde me to dead persons or things not in being and what ever Oaths men have taken relating to the person of the late King or that Government cannot be in force but must needs be out of date and unobliging when the person is dead and the Government it self necessarily altered especially when the matter about which the Oath made is civil and changeable and made not absolutely but conditionally as the late Covenant was we binding our selves to preserve his Majesties person c. in the Preservation of Religion and Liberty which we have found absolutely contrary and inconsistent together And let me say it were to be wished that this tenderness of Conscience were in some of the scruplers about this Government formerly when the Covenant and Ecclesiastical Government was first urged the matters of which were sacred as well as the Oath it self and yet nothing would then serve but force and violence banishment with many such threats to those that would not submit to it the matter and manner of which belonged properly to Conscience and was controverted by the best and ablest men and yet a rational dissent by one side entred and the thing it self hardly determinable in some points But I am for union and may not open old sores It 's well the Cause is changed and the Tryal come about to others that they may know what Conscience means Yet it 's still to be desired that men would consider what sin against any mans Conscience it can be to joyn in with a Government which is not onely most lawful in it self but most necessary at present or how they can in Conscience without some other Reason maintain their engagements to a non-entity or how they can discharge their Conscience from one sin by doing another or make an atonement for present disobedience to an Ordinance of God as every Government in it self is by former pretended Obligation to that which they have not at present or it may be never shall have opportunity to perform I know the Parliament will have regard to tender Consciences and lay nothing which may be a burthen on them But it will be very sad and ominous that all mens malignity and state-distempers should have such a plausible disguize as Conscience or that necessary and civil affairs which are but reductively and secondarily belonging to Conscience should be simple and absolutely destroyed by such a plea which is common to one as well as another But I doubt not but that the justness and