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A89872	Anti-Machiavell. Or, honesty against poljcy An answer to that vaine discourse, the case of the kingdome stated, according to the proper interests of the severall parties ingaged. By a lover of truth, peace, and honesty.	Lover of Truth, Peace, and Honesty.; Nedham, Marchamont, 1620-1678, attributed name.	1647 (1647)	Wing N375; Thomason E396_16; ESTC R201652	19,689	26

This I shall leave to the Scots to answer but if this charge bee true with what conscience could the Independent engage himselfe by Covenant as the Major part of them by his confession p. 10. hath to maintain the Scotch Discipline against the common Enemies among whom the King and his party must needs be pars maxima if not sola for the Covenanteers combined by this Covenant against him and his force Will interest make an Independent ingage to maintain unjust usurpation upon the power of his owne Soveraigne Truly such objections discover wit to promote a cause but little honesty in a party Secondly having slandered Presbytery in relation to Monarchy he proceeds to see what he can doe in reference to the Kings party And here he saith The Bishops must have neither name nor substance and the Gentry must be inslaved in their own Lordships For the first Presbyterians use the Bishops better then the Independents for its better not to be then to be Antichristian which the Independents make them and all that are under them Besides what knowes he but upon accommodation the Presbyter may yeeld something to the Episcopall as they would have done to the Independent as to keep up Parochiall Presbyteries and for Appeals have a Presbytery of Ministers in every Shire whereof one to be president who may be stiled a Bishop If the Presbyterian can take his counsell to renounce jus divinum then undoubtedly he may yeeld to this expedient and there is probability enough the Royallist will accept it and by this the Old form being altered the Covenant according to the letter will not be infringed And for the inslaving of the Gentry by Presbyterie its false unlesse this Pamphleteer be of their minds Psal 2.1 2 3. And I would know of this independent whether if a Landlord and his tenant be in their Church-way and the Landlord be in question whether the meanest of his Tenants must not be his Master in Judicature And whether that be a mystery of iniquity in their new government Turpe est Doctori c. Well now he concludes That the Kings Interest is to close with the Independent for which he gives Reasons 1. Because they are the only friends to civill government in the world Credat Judaeus appella non ego Are they the best friends to Civill government in the world that with Papists divest it of all power in Church matters with whom that derogatory voice of the Old Donatists quid Imperatori cum Ecclesia at least with the Major part of them is good Divinity Doth he thinke this bare Assertion of his will take with his Majesty that knowes the rise and progresse of his misery cannot be ascribed to any party in this Kingdome so much as to the Independent party For had not they disturbed it If my intelligence faile me not the * * And for this their own declarations may give some evidence Aprill 9. 1642. Parliament had once resolved to have annext 12. grave learned and godly Ministers in every Dioces to the Bishop that should have so qualified his power that he should have had no opportunity to Tyrannize a course if it had bin taken the miseries under which this flourishing Nationlyes in dust and ashes the dishonours of Religion and decay of the power of Godlinesse occasioned by the Scandall and Distractions of this unnaturall war and all the disgraces and calamities of the King and his Royall Houshold had been prevented For what he alledgeth out of the Acts of the Assembly it doth confute not confirme his doctrine For first Presbyters claime only distinction of powers not exceptions as the Independent doth And saith he they borrow also from the civill Magistrate power to compell mens consciences but this is an odious calumny against the just power that the Presbyterians ascribe to the Magistrate denyed by this Independent seil to preserve peace and purity in the Church to take Order that Blasphemy heresie be supprest c. which power of his he ought to put forth on just occasion but that this must bee alwayes when they advise or as he maliciously addes commands the confession hath no Limit The Magistrate is Arbiter of his owne actions and is to proceed in execution according to his owne apprehension Thus the confession apparantly ascribes power to the civill Magistrate and derogateth not Secondly its easie for the King to mingle interests with the Independent An Independent then may mingle interests with socular power though it be a crime in all other reason Thirdly Because Independency leads them to admit rather of Monarchy then any other Government Sure this is but new light for the Independents so farre as I have had acquaintance with them either by bookes or conference have been most bitter not onely against the present King as farre as deposing or execution it selfe but against Monarchy eyeing the States Government of the Netherlands with their toleration as an imitable forme for themselves to aime at and his reason is without sense and against experience whereby it is plaine that Monarchy hath nourisht Episcopacy for its owne greater supportment who have carried an heavy hand over all that intrench upon them or would have exception from them 4. 5. Here is a doore of hope for the Bishops and their Clergy with all that are for that Liturgy which cannot be with Presbyterie trusted with the State The 5. Reason is in effect the same that the people that will not be satisfied without the externall forme of Diocesan and Liturgie The Independents may helpe to instate them in that forme again upon some visible assurance that they themselves will be left at libertie First its true ridgid Presbytery is incompatible with Episcopacy but with the Clergy that lived under them that were learned and honest not so why may not they live under Presbitery and beare a part in it in England aswell as all learned Ministers do in other reformed Churches And for Liturgy he cannot make it good that people will not be satisfied without this Liturgie so they have a Liturgie See the letter of the Wallachrian Classes to the Assembly cited in the view of the Directory pag. 43. neither is there any incompatiblenesse between a Liturgie and Presbytery I know no Presbyterians that hold a Liturgie unlawfull many that hold it convenient Liturgie and Presbitery have been consistent in all reformed Churches and may be in ours neither if my information faile me not was Liturgy expulst by the most grave and Learned Presbyterians in the assembly as unlawfull but onely to gratifie the Independents whose abuse of their indulgence now may bring them to repentance and a Liturgie may be establisht again at least to be free for those that need it and desire it But how the Independent can helpe to instate the people again in it without doing evill that good may come thereon is above my capacity They reject it as unlawfull and the major part of them having