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and_o so_o can_v with_o safe_a conscience_n communicate_v together_o in_o church-ship_n yet_o this_o hinder_v not_o but_o that_o they_o may_v judge_v and_o think_v as_o well_o one_o of_o another_o person_n and_o consequent_o love_v and_o affect_v one_o another_o and_o combine_v together_o as_o affectionate_o as_o person_n of_o several_a trade_n and_o society_n do_v who_o have_v no_o more_o communion_n together_o in_o their_o respective_a trade_n then_o different_a church_n have_v in_o their_o respective_a church_n yea_o there_o be_v far_o better_a ground_n as_o have_v be_v partly_o touch_v already_o why_o different_a church_n though_o they_o deemeach_v other_o unlawful_a shall_v yet_o think_v better_o of_o yea_o and_o love_v the_o respective_a member_n each_o of_o other_o then_o there_o be_v that_o person_n of_o several_a trade_n or_o member_n of_o several_a civil_a society_n shall_v do_v either_o the_o one_o or_o the_o other_o among_o themselves_o to_o his_o second_o difference_n 45._o i_o answer_v 1
that_o experience_n manifest_v the_o contrary_a to_o what_o he_o here_o affirm_v viz._n that_o the_o subordination_n or_o subjection_n of_o several_a trade_n society_n to_o the_o whole_a corporation_n parliament_n or_o supreme_a magistrate_n do_v not_o keep_v they_o all_o in_o peace_n and_o writie_n what_o contentiones_fw-la quarrel_n emulation_n suit_n among_o they_o from_o day_n to_o day_n any_o such_o subordination_n or_o subjection_n notwithstanding_o 2._o whereas_o by_o way_n of_o opposition_n he_o add_v that_o independent_a church_n will_v be_v regulate_v oblige_v only_o by_o their_o own_o peculiar_a edict_n which_o must_v needs_o occasion_v infinite_a schism_n and_o disorder_n we_o answer_v 1._o we_o wish_v that_o by_o way_n of_o commendation_n and_o praise_n in_o many_o case_n to_o parliament_n temporal_a magistrate_n and_o synod_n which_o be_v here_o cast_v upon_o independent_a church_n by_o way_n of_o imputation_n and_o charge_n i_o mean_v regulation_n and_o obligement_n by_o their_o own_o peculiar_a edict_n but_o 2._o whereas_o the_o charge_n be_v thus_o lay_v against_o these_o church_n that_o they_o will_v be_v regulate_v oblige_v only_o by_o their_o own_o peculiar_a edict_n the_o truth_n be_v that_o they_o be_v every_o whit_n as_o willing_a to_o be_v regulate_v oblige_v by_o the_o edict_n of_o any_o other_o as_o by_o their_o own_o always_o provide_v that_o they_o be_v conform_v to_o the_o word_n and_o this_o conformity_n sufficient_o prove_v and_o make_v know_v unto_o they_o they_o put_v no_o difference_n at_o all_o between_o the_o mind_n of_o christ_n present_v unto_o they_o by_o other_o or_o discover_v and_o find_v out_o by_o themselves_o yea_o and_o that_o subordination_n and_o subjection_n which_o they_o all_o profess_v and_o own_v to_o the_o write_a word_n of_o god_n be_v a_o far_o more_o effectual_a and_o hopeful_a mean_n to_o keep_v they_o all_o in_o peace_n and_o unity_n than_o that_o subordination_n mention_v by_o mr._n prynne_n be_v to_o keep_v all_o trade_n and_o society_n in_o the_o same_o precious_a posture_n only_o in_o this_o one_o thing_n these_o poor_a independent_a church_n desire_v parliament_n and_o magistrate_n and_o synod_n to_o be_v merciful_a unto_o they_o that_o they_o can_v write_v any_o of_o they_o infallible_a nor_o yet_o subscribe_v unto_o any_o their_o injunction_n or_o decision_n in_o matter_n of_o faith_n or_o which_o concern_v the_o worship_n and_o service_n of_o god_n without_o retain_v the_o scripture_n for_o their_o counsel_n and_o advise_v with_o they_o what_o to_o do_v therein_o to_o his_o three_o and_o last_o difference_n also_o 46._o we_o answer_v 1._o that_o he_o say_v very_o well_o in_o point_n of_o truth_n when_o he_o say_v that_o christian_n as_o christian_n be_v all_o of_o one_o and_o the_o self_n same_o society_n and_o profession_n as_o those_o of_o one_o trade_n and_o calling_n be_v but_o this_o truth_n as_o yet_o be_v not_o at_o all_o conscious_a to_o his_o intention_n or_o purpose_n therefore_o he_o add_v therefore_o they_o shall_v all_o have_v but_o one_o church_n and_o government_n as_o these_o trade_n have_v nor_o do_v this_o if_o grant_v make_v any_o whit_n more_o for_o the_o presbyterian_a cause_n then_o for_o the_o independent_a because_o it_o do_v not_o follow_v christian_n as_o christian_n ought_v all_o to_o have_v one_o and_o the_o same_o church_n and_o government_n therefore_o this_o church_n and_o government_n ought_v to_o be_v presbyterian_a take_v a_o parallel_n simeon_n and_o levi_n ought_v to_o have_v be_v brethren_n therefore_o they_o ought_v to_o have_v be_v brethren_n in_o iniquity_n take_v another_o aâ—aniaâ—_n and_o sapphira_n be_v man_n and_o wife_n aught_o to_o have_v agree_v together_o therefore_o they_o ought_v to_o have_v agree_v together_o to_o tempt_v the_o spirit_n of_o the_o lord_n but_o 2._o if_o by_o his_o one_o church_n he_o mean_v one_o and_o the_o same_o catholic_a mystical_a and_o invisible_a church_n we_o answer_v that_o christian_n as_o christian_n have_v all_o one_o and_o the_o same_o church_n in_o this_o sense_n they_o be_v all_o member_n of_o this_o one_o church_n but_o if_o he_o mean_v one_o and_o the_o same_o ministerial_a and_o visible_a church_n we_o answer_v by_o demand_v how_o can_v this_o thing_n be_v we_o have_v hear_v indeed_o of_o some_o ecumenical_a counsel_n but_o of_o ecumenical_a visible_a church_n wherein_o all_o christian_n shall_v be_v comprehend_v as_o member_n i_o believe_v there_o have_v be_v ecumenical_a silence_n unto_o this_o day_n 3._o whereas_o he_o go_v about_o to_o set_v the_o comparison_n of_o his_o own_o make_n upright_o by_o state_v it_o thus_o if_o some_o of_o one_o fraternity_n in_o london_n suppose_v merchant-t_a tylor_n saddler_n etc._n etc._n shall_v fall_v out_o among_o themselves_o and_o one_o will_v have_v one_o form_n of_o government_n another_o another_o and_o thereupon_o divide_v themselves_o into_o several_a conventicle_n and_o petty_a meeting_n in_o corner_n not_o at_o their_o common_a hall_n and_o one_o choose_v one_o government_n or_o master_n another_o another_o and_o so_o sever_v the_o company_n and_o continue_v independent_a this_o no_o doubt_n will_v prove_v a_o apparent_a schism_n and_o seminary_n of_o infinite_a division_n to_o the_o distraction_n destruction_n of_o the_o whole_a company_n and_o fraternity_n and_o then_o add_v this_o be_v the_o true_a state_n of_o your_o independency_n we_o answer_v that_o the_o comparison_n thus_o state_v hold_v no_o proportion_n or_o correspondence_n with_o the_o state_n of_o independency_n for_o 1._o that_o number_n of_o christian_n which_o plead_v for_o independency_n so_o call_v be_v not_o the_o whole_a socieitie_n of_o christian_n nor_o indeed_o any_o considerable_a part_n thereof_o in_o respect_n of_o number_n as_o that_o fraternity_n of_o merchant-tayloes_a or_o sadler_n the_o comparison_n speak_v of_o be_v therein_o suppose_a to_o be_v the_o whole_a society_n of_o such_o a_o company_n therefore_o to_o set_v mr._n prynnes_n comparison_n upright_o and_o make_v it_o agree_v with_o the_o state_n of_o independency_n in_o this_o particular_a it_o must_v be_v state_v thus_o suppose_v two_o or_o three_o member_n of_o a_o numerous_a and_o vast_a company_n consist_v it_o may_v be_v of_o ten_o or_o twenty_o thousand_o person_n shall_v differ_v from_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o society_n in_o some_o thing_n about_o their_o government_n and_o hereupon_o shall_v withdraw_v themselves_o from_o that_o society_n and_o seek_v incorporation_n elsewhere_o will_v such_o a_o dissent_n or_o withdraw_n of_o so_o few_o from_o among_o so_o many_o any_o way_n threaten_v the_o distraction_n much_o less_o the_o destruction_n of_o the_o whole_a company_n 2._o suppose_v a_o considerable_a part_n of_o a_o company_n shall_v out_o of_o a_o conscientious_a dislike_n of_o the_o carriage_n of_o thing_n in_o the_o government_n of_o the_o body_n withdraw_v themselves_o and_o refuse_v subjection_n to_o this_o government_n so_o order_v and_o administer_v though_o in_o probability_n this_o act_n of_o they_o may_v occasion_v some_o distraction_n or_o disturbance_n in_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o body_n for_o a_o season_n yet_o suppose_v it_o do_v upon_o substantial_a and_o due_a ground_n it_o may_v be_v so_o far_o bring_v destruction_n to_o this_o body_n that_o very_o possible_o it_o may_v occasion_v the_o reformation_n and_o amendment_n of_o those_o thing_n that_o be_v unjust_a in_o this_o government_n and_o consequent_o destructive_a to_o the_o body_n and_o so_o become_v a_o mean_n of_o the_o preservation_n of_o it_o from_o destruction_n and_o this_o be_v the_o true_a state_n of_o our_o independency_n 3._o in_o case_n the_o fraternity_n of_o merchant-taylors_n in_o london_n shall_v fall_v out_o among_o themselves_o and_o one_o will_v have_v one_o form_n of_o government_n and_o another_o another_o and_o thereupon_o divide_v themselves_o etc._n etc._n what_o ever_o inconvenience_n shall_v or_o may_v hereupon_o ensue_v to_o the_o company_n yet_o still_o it_o be_v determine_v by_o equal_a and_o prudent_a judge_n who_o or_o which_o party_n give_v the_o chief_a occasion_n of_o these_o distraction_n and_o rent_n there_o be_v no_o reason_n why_o any_o one_o party_n shall_v fall_v foul_a upon_o all_o the_o rest_n and_o give_v a_o extrajudiciall_a sentence_n for_o themselves_o for_o any_o thing_n that_o god_n have_v yet_o determine_v to_o the_o contrary_a the_o independent_a party_n of_o christian_n in_o the_o kingdom_n may_v be_v as_o innocent_a yea_o more_o innocent_a of_o the_o breach_n and_o distraction_n among_o we_o in_o point_n of_o church_n government_n they_o the_o presbyterian_a they_o that_o call_v and_o plead_v for_o that_o government_n which_o be_v hold_v forth_o in_o the_o scripture_n call_v and_o plead_v for_o it_o in_o a_o regular_a meek_a and_o christian_a manner_n be_v those_o that_o be_v innocent_a and_o those_o that_o call_v and_o plead_v for_o any_o other_o or_o indeed_o for_o any_o in_o a_o violent_a preposterous_a and_o unchristian_a manner_n light_n
detriment_n in_o his_o occasion_n than_o it_o be_v for_o man_n to_o know_v how_o to_o choose_v man_n tolerable_o qualify_v for_o parliamentary_a employment_n especial_o if_o one_o part_n of_o this_o employment_n consist_v in_o make_v law_n &_o statute_n in_o matter_n of_o religion_n worship_n etc._n etc._n agreeable_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n the_o reason_n of_o the_o difference_n be_v plain_a recourse_n be_v make_v to_o lawyer_n and_o so_o to_o physician_n architect_n respective_o only_o for_o one_o kind_n of_o help_n or_o employment_n and_o that_o such_o which_o be_v proper_a to_o their_o profession_n and_o wherein_o their_o ability_n and_o sufficiency_n be_v or_o very_o possible_o may_v be_v sufficient_o know_v but_o parliamentary_a service_n or_o employment_n consist_v according_a to_o mr._n prynne_v notion_n as_o well_o in_o make_v church-lawe_n in_o matter_n of_o religion_n worship_n &_o agreeable_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n as_o in_o frame_v law_n politic_a to_o accommodate_v the_o civil_a affair_n of_o the_o commonwealth_n which_o be_v employment_n of_o a_o very_a differ_a nature_n hardly_o incident_a unto_o and_o very_o rare_o find_v in_o one_o and_o the_o same_o person_n it_o must_v needs_o be_v conceive_v to_o be_v a_o matter_n of_o very_o great_a difficulty_n and_o require_v a_o very_a choice_n and_o excellent_a spirit_n of_o discern_v to_o make_v a_o commendable_a yea_o or_o a_o competent_a choice_n of_o man_n for_o that_o investiture_n and_o trust_n yea_o himself_o 〈◊〉_d acknowledge_v little_o less_o than_o a_o utter_a inconsistencie_n of_o respective_a ability_n in_o one_o and_o the_o same_o person_n for_o these_o so_o different_a employment_n for_o here_o he_o require_v both_o politician_n and_o statesman_n os_fw-la fit_n to_o be_v consult_v with_o a_o suit_n a_o church-government_n to_o the_o civil_a state_n and_o likewise_o a_o assembly_n of_o divine_n to_o square_v it_o by_o and_o to_o the_o word_n but_o in_o as_o much_o as_o whatsoever_o a_o assembly_n of_o divine_n shall_v determine_v in_o or_o about_o churh-government_n or_o other_o matter_n of_o religion_n can_v pass_v into_o a_o act_n law_n or_o statute_n but_o by_o the_o superveen_n of_o parliamentary_a interest_n upon_o their_o determination_n and_o there_o be_v every_o whit_n as_o great_a if_o not_o far_o great_a ability_n in_o divinity_n and_o knowledge_n of_o the_o scripture_n requisite_a to_o enable_v man_n right_o to_o discern_v and_o judge_v whether_o a_o church-government_n or_o other_o decision_n in_o matter_n of_o religion_n be_v agreeable_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n as_o there_o be_v to_o discourse_n and_o make_v out_o that_o in_o either_o kind_n which_o be_v agreeable_a thereunto_o yea_o and_o further_o it_o be_v no_o way_n either_o christian_a or_o reasonable_a that_o a_o parliament_n shall_v pass_v that_o into_o a_o act_n law_n or_o statute_n as_o agreeable_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o oblige_v a_o whole_a kingdom_n under_o mulct_n and_o penalty_n to_o submit_v unto_o it_o according_o which_o themselves_o be_v not_o able_a to_o discern_v whether_o it_o be_v indeed_o agreeable_a unto_o the_o word_n of_o god_n or_o no_o these_o three_o thing_n i_o say_v due_o consider_v evident_a it_o be_v that_o it_o be_v a_o matter_n almost_o of_o infinite_a difficulty_n and_o therefore_o not_o so_o obvious_a to_o unsanctified_a person_n and_o rude_a multitude_n as_o mr._n prynnes_n will_v carry_v it_o to_o discern_v or_o make_v choice_n of_o person_n of_o a_o due_a temper_n and_o composition_n for_o parliamentary_a operation_n mr._n prynnes_n supposition_n be_v admit_v viz._n that_o make_v law_n in_o matter_n of_o religion_n as_o well_o as_o in_o civil_a affair_n be_v a_o part_n of_o these_o operation_n to_o set_v then_o his_o comparison_n upright_o we_o must_v state_n it_o thus_o suppose_v mr._n prynne_n be_v of_o none_o of_o the_o three_o profession_n he_o speak_v of_o neither_o lawyer_n nor_o physician_n nor_o architect_n but_o stand_v in_o need_n of_o the_o help_n of_o they_o all_o have_v 1._o a_o suit_n at_o law_n of_o very_o great_a concernment_n to_o he_o 2._o a_o dangerous_a distemper_n or_o disease_n upon_o his_o body_n 3._o a_o house_n to_o build_v for_o his_o necessary_a accommodation_n and_o in_o this_o posture_n of_o necessity_n be_v necessitate_v or_o limit_v to_o make_v choice_n of_o three_o man_n but_o all_o of_o one_o and_o the_o same_o profession_n either_o all_o lawyer_n or_o all_o physician_n or_o all_o architect_n to_o minister_v unto_o he_o in_o all_o his_o respective_a concernment_n and_o necessity_n i_o believe_v that_o under_o such_o a_o constellation_n of_o circumstance_n and_o occasion_n as_o these_o though_o he_o be_v a_o man_n of_o far_o great_a judgement_n and_o reason_n than_o the_o generality_n of_o man_n be_v yet_o he_o will_v not_o find_v it_o so_o easy_a a_o matter_n to_o satisfy_v himself_o in_o the_o choice_n of_o his_o man_n within_o the_o compass_n of_o any_o one_o of_o the_o three_o profession_n this_o be_v the_o true_a state_n and_o case_n of_o the_o difficulty_n of_o parliamentary_a election_n upon_o mr._n prynnes_n supposition_n of_o parliamentary_a interest_n and_o power_n 4._o suppose_v yet_o further_o 58._o that_o unsanctified_a person_n and_o rude_a multitude_n have_v skill_n enough_o to_o elect_v the_o most_o eminent_a and_o able_a man_n for_o parliamentary_a service_n yet_o who_o know_v not_o but_o that_o there_o be_v somewhat_o yea_o much_o more_o than_o knowledge_n of_o what_o be_v a_o man_n duty_n require_v to_o make_v he_o willing_a to_o do_v it_o to_o he_o that_o know_v to_o do_v good_a and_o do_v it_o not_o to_o he_o it_o be_v sin_n say_v james_n jam._n 4._o 17._o it_o be_v no_o way_n reasonable_a to_o think_v that_o unsanctified_a person_n and_o man_n addict_v to_o sinful_a lust_n and_o pleasure_n shall_v willing_o and_o by_o the_o ducture_n of_o their_o own_o inclination_n put_v a_o power_n of_o make_v law_n into_o the_o hand_n of_o such_o man_n who_o they_o know_v be_v profess_v enemy_n to_o those_o lawless_a way_n of_o they_o and_o therefore_o be_v like_a be_v interest_v in_o such_o a_o power_n to_o make_v law_n for_o the_o restraint_n and_o punishment_n of_o they_o that_o god_n when_o he_o please_v may_v by_o a_o extraordinary_a hand_n of_o providence_n over-rule_v the_o nature_n and_o disposition_n of_o man_n in_o this_o kind_n and_o serve_v unfanctified_a person_n in_o their_o parliamentary_a election_n as_o he_o do_v the_o syrian_a host_n of_o old_a which_o he_o lead_v blindfold_a into_o the_o midst_n of_o samaria_n 20._o when_o they_o think_v they_o have_v be_v go_v to_o dothan_n be_v not_o deny_v yea_o it_o be_v acknowledge_v that_o in_o grace_n and_o mercy_n to_o this_o nation_n he_o have_v stretch_v out_o that_o very_a hand_n of_o providence_n we_o speak_v of_o in_o the_o choice_n of_o many_o member_n of_o the_o honourable_a assembly_n of_o parliament_n who_o perseverance_n in_o a_o faithful_a discharge_n of_o their_o employment_n declare_v that_o their_o election_n be_v more_o from_o god_n then_o from_o man_n therefore_o that_o one_o word_n of_o mr._n prynnes_n which_o follow_v p._n 24._o viz._n that_o the_o choice_n which_o your_o vile_a and_o most_o unworthy_a of_o man_n have_v make_v this_o parliament_n may_v for_o ever_o refute_v this_o childish_a reason_n the_o corner_n stone_n of_o your_o independent_a fabric_n fasten_v together_o with_o independent_a crotchet_n unable_a to_o abide_v the_o test_n this_o one_o word_n i_o say_v be_v no_o word_n either_o of_o reason_n or_o of_o truth_n a_o happy_a election_n make_v by_o man_n overacted_n by_o god_n in_o the_o action_n do_v no_o more_o prove_v either_o a_o proportionablenesse_n of_o wisdom_n or_o a_o suitableness_n of_o affection_n in_o such_o person_n to_o make_v such_o a_o choice_n than_o that_o praise_n which_o god_n have_v ordain_v and_o which_o he_o according_o draw_v out_o of_o the_o mouth_n of_o babe_n and_o suckling_n prove_v these_o babe_n and_o suckling_n to_o be_v endue_v with_o a_o natural_a strength_n and_o ability_n of_o yield_v such_o praise_n unto_o god_n or_o then_o the_o service_n which_o the_o raven_n do_v the_o prophet_n in_o bring_v unto_o he_o bread_n and_o flesh_n due_o morning_n and_o evening_n 6._o prove_v that_o they_o have_v a_o principle_n of_o reason_n and_o understanding_n to_o know_v and_o to_o consider_v the_o necessity_n of_o godly_a and_o faithful_a man_n or_o that_o such_o man_n ought_v to_o renounce_v their_o estate_n and_o calling_n and_o to_o depend_v upon_o raven_n for_o their_o sustenance_n and_o beside_o how_o do_v the_o election_n of_o so_o many_o member_n of_o this_o parliament_n who_o stand_v by_o their_o trust_n with_o faithfulness_n and_o honour_n more_o refute_v then_o the_o election_n of_o so_o many_o unworthy_a one_o who_o have_v not_o only_o turn_v their_o back_n but_o head_n also_o upon_o both_o confirm_v my_o reason_n not_o