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A04528 The Catholique iudge: or A moderator of the Catholique moderator Where in forme or manner of a plea or suite at law, the differences betweene those of the Reformed Church, and them of the Romish Church are decided; and without partialitie is shewed which is the true religion and catholique Church, for the instruction of either partie. Together with eight strong arguments or reasons, why the Popes cannot be competent iudges in these controversies. Written in the Dutch and French tongue, by Iohn of the Crosse, a Catholique gentleman. Translated out of French into English, by the right worshipfull and learned Knight Sir A.A. John of the Crosse, a Catholique gentleman.; A. A., Sir. 1623 (1623) STC 14651; ESTC S107831 50,836 96

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lib. 2. de Const pag. 138. Henry the fift Adrian the fourth and Alexander excommunicated Fredericke the first Innocent the third Philip the sonne of Fredericke Gregorie the ninth Fredericke the second and that three sundrie times to be briefe Innocent the fourth Conradus the fourth And all this was done for the most part because they would not in all things performe the will of the Popes And euen still at this present the greatest part of kings and Realmes Princes and Potentates of Christendome are in subiection to the Pope as his vassales and homagers Perfidiousnesse the sixt reason of refusall In the sixt place Persidiousnes the sixt reason of refusall the Reformed accuse the Popes of perfidiousnesse or faithlesnesse and sedition shewing by auncient Histories worthy of credit that the Popes haue euer tended to this end and purpose so soone as they vnderstand that any difference and dissention was raised or set on foote betweene kings and great Potentates to entertaine and nourish the same debate and dissention by their Emissaries and Messengers but yet according or compounding with the one or the other partie that if so be either of the two could vsurpe or obtaine that kingdome of his aduersarie that then he should make some acknowledgment to the Romane see for so good and happie successe And so soone as the sayd accord and secret conspiracie past was consented vnto the aduerse partie was forth-with excommunicated by the Popes as an heretike his realme exposed as a prey to whomsoeuer would invade or conquer it first by puting in for it The which the reformed shew by expresse examples for touching the first although the king of France Lewis the 12. deliuered to the Pope Iulius two certaine Cities so it is that the Pope not therewith contented did cast him out of his protection and exposed his realme to devastation or spoile Arnobius Benn Iuil Bul. masse lib. 5. And whereas the same Pope Iulius for diuers wicked and scandalous facts which are hereafter recited was suspended from his papall authoritie by the Counsel of Pisa albeit the sayd Counsell was disturbed by the sayd Pope and transported to Lions he was enraged with such choller that he was resolued to leauie an armie and to enter into France and when al things were in readinesse and himselfe mounted on horse-backe he caused the souldiers to passe through the Citie of Rome The Pope casts S. Peters Keyes into Tiber and drawes S. Pauls sword beyond the riuer Tiber and pronounced alowde and plainely these wordes in presence of many thousands of people Goe to since the keyes of S. Peter are no more availeable let vs vnsheath the rustie sword of S. Paul and therewithall casting Saint Peters keies into Tiber he drew his sword threatning with a grim and frowning countenance and gnashing his teeth to ruinate and vtterly destroy the Frenchmen The ensample of Philip Augustus is also like to the former for the said king Philip hauing conquered from the English a great part of his kingdome Pope Innocent the third first sent two Legats into France to trouble the state and to stirre vp tumults and seditions and afterwards had so incited incensed Otho the third and Ferdinand Earle of Flanders against the French that they had at that time lost their kingdom if the two Princes afore-said had not by their constancie hindered and withstood the wicked imaginations plotts of the Pope But what is this say the reformed to produce such ancient Histories considering that modern examples are yet fresh in euery mans memorie The yeere 1585. Pope Sixtus the fift thundered lightened with his excommunication against Henry of Burbone king of France of Nauarre Brut. fulmen Six 5. in regi Gall. Nauar. And against Henry of Burbone Prince of Condy likewise against all their race and posteritie and hauing excommunicated them as heretikes did therewithall giue in pray all their countries and Cities And that also which afterwards fell out is sufficiently knowne to all which is that the same Pope Sixtus the yere 1588. solemnly proclaimed the kingdome of England to be hereticall and gaue the same to Philip king of Spaine If we will also behold and consider the perfidiousnes or faithlesnesse and spirituall and Ecclesiasticall disloyaltie of Popes we shal find in ancient Histories that the Popes of Rome haue in all times contended among themselues for the papall Chaire or dignitie For Iohn the twentie foure being come to Bolonia as Legate with many Souldiers The Ecclesiasticall perfidiousnes of Popes much threatned all the Cardinals if they chuse a Pope that were not to his liking diuers being named and propounded to none of which he would giue his consent at length hee was required that himselfe would signifie whom he would haue to be chosen Then hee sayd giue me this vestment or attire of S. Peter Popes chuse themselues Stella venetus and I will deliuer it to him that shall be Pope which being done he put it vpon himselfe and said I am the Pope And albeit this act greatly displeased all the other Cardinalls they were notwithstanding forced against their willes to yeeld consent In like manner Iohn the twentie two chose himselfe to be Pope when the election was referred to him The Reformed Christians say moreouer that they can proue that the same time there haue been Foure three and two Popes at the same time gouerning sometimes foure sometimes three sometimes two Popes For Victor Alexander the third Calixtus the third and Paschall had altogether at once the papall authoritie In the time of the Emperour Fredericke Barbarossa and Benedict the eight Siluester the second and Gregorie the fift were Popes all at a time vntill at the length Henry the third Emperour deposed them Likewise Gregorie the twelfth Benedict the thirteenth and Alexander did by excommunications arrogate or obtaine the papall authoritie all of them thundering their thunder-boults the same time Moreouer diuers of them haue challenged the triple Crowne and for the same haue made warre one against the other Stephen the third against Constantine Sergius the third against Christopher Vrbane the fift against Clement the seventh Eugenius the fourth against Clement the eight And diuerse other Popes the mentioning of which would be too tedious and troublesome haue done the like as is verified by their owne Historiographers Let euery man iudge then say the Reformed if these actes aboue mentioned may not rightly bee called perfidiousnesse and sedition Antichristianisme the seventh cause of refusall In the seventh place The seventh reason the Popes cannot bee competent and sufficient Iudges in the controversie of Religion for that as the Reformed maintaine the Popes themselves were that Antichrist which the holy Scripture testifieth to be the wicked one the same childe of perdition 2 Thes 2. Apoc. 17. 1 Cor. 1.6 2 Cor. 6. Ephes 2. 1 Tim. 4. that opposeth and lifteth vp himselfe against all which is