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A44639 The seat of the scorner thrown down, or, Richard Hobbs his folly, envy and lyes in his late reply to my book called A looking-glass, &c manifested and rebuked whereunto is annexed my call from the Baptists, to walk in the true light : and a true testimony to the light and power of Christ in the heart with a few queries to the said R. Hobbs / by Luke Howard ; to which is added a further answer by T.R. Howard, Luke, 1621-1699.; Howard, Luke, 1621-1699. Looking-glass for Baptists.; Rudyard, Thomas, d. 1692. Water-Baptists reproach repeld. 1673 (1673) Wing H2987; ESTC R6501 43,144 60

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within the Hope of Glory Christ within except you be Reprobate I in them and they in me that they may be one as we are one said Christ Jesus the Light of Men If any Man be in Christ he is a New Creature behold all things are become new new Heart new Mind new Will and new Affections the old Heart in the Earth the new Heart is given to God the old Mind Carnal the new Mind Spiritual the old Will Unsanctified the new Will Sanctified the old Affections in the Earth the new Affections set upon things above the old Conversation is after the Course of this World which lieth in Wickedness the new Conversation is in Heaven where Christ fitteth at the Right hand of God he that can read let him understand And now to his Appeal to the Inhabitants and Magistrates of Dover if I be not a false Man as he saith for my saying They creep into Holes in a Day of Persecution and that our Rock is not as their Rock our Enemies themselves being Judges Reader I have spoken the Truth and I say it here again and I appeal to the Inhabitants of Dover Mayor and Magistrates also unto their own Consciences likewise whether I have wronged them in this at all It is true they were in their Meeting-place interrupted as all were that dissented from the Publick and their Meeting-House Door was locked up by the Mayor's Order and then they or some one for them knocked off the Lock cast it into the Mayor's Porch as if they were valiant Men as the Valiants of Israel and intended to meet again in their own hired Place but whether so or in Despight there lies the Question however they never met there more till the King gave a general Liberty as I said before in the Looking-Glass to see themselves in But we still met said this boaster else-where it is true they did meet but where I said In Corners for which Saying he would make me a Lyar and appeal to the Inhabitants and Rulers to be Judge after a very confident Manner in so false a Matter And now let all the Inhabitants of Dover be judge whether they did not meet so private in Corners since it was hard for people to know either Time or Place and with so much Secrecy that it was sometimes at one part and sometimes at another part of the Town and sometimes in the Country and one while by Five or Six in the Morning and another while in the Evening and at several uncertain Hours of the day Now whether I have wronged them in saying they met in Corners let the Inhabitants of Dover judge for this is a true Relation known well to themselves and others also Now it was evident and known to all that we called Quakers alwayes kept our Meeting-Place the Day and Hour and their Practice of shifting Time and Place into Privacies that they might not be known when nor where was laid hard to us by way of Perswasion to do the like by some much concern'd who were willing that both themselves and we might be saved from Damage but we could neither change Time nor Place and this was our Testimony to all concerned who had Experience of them and us by an Imprisonment in Dover Castle before that time wherein they did but add to our Bands for they were soon gotten out either directly or indirectly by Money given to the then Martial John Slowman which because we could not do for Conscience sake we were born upon much the harder and Sixteen Moneths except Four Dayes were we kept as it were Close Prisoners in a Room called the House of Office with no Chimney in it until the Governour Francis Vincent got an Order from the King to sit us free and this was that he Scoffingly speaks of my seeing through the Stone Walls of Dover Castle where he with others might have been if their Cause had been good and they true Men unto it and then he need not a mocked at my seeing through tee Stone Walls and this Experience with others of the like Nature the Rulers and People of Dover had of them and us And thus I have run through some part of this Night-Watchman's Work and confounded his vain Boasting and my Conscience is Clear and not Seared as he Enviously seems to charge me and here I shall leave him and his dark mind and spirit an absolute Night-Watch man Scoffer and Scorner and proceed to my Testimony to the true Light A True Testimony to the Light and Power of Christ in the Heart ANd that is that God is Light and in him is no Darkness at all and Christ is the Ligt of the World and in him is Life and his Life is the Light of Men and to know God and Christ is Eternal Life and this Life is in the Son and he that hath the Son hath Life and be that hath not the Son hath not Life Now that which is to be known of God and of this Eternal Life is manifested in Man for he hath shew'd it unto Man even the Manifestation of the Spirit of Truth which is given to every Man to profit withall as a Talent or Measure of Knowledge of the Will of God concerning Man of his State and Condition as he stands in the Fall by Sin having fallen short of the Glory of God is given of God unto Man so hath he commanded the Light to shine out of Darkness and hath shin'd into our Hearts to give us the Light of the Knowledge of the Glory of God again in the Face of Jesus Christ to wit the Knowledge of the Grace and Truth the Fulness of which dwelt in that Body which the Father had prepared and this Grace and Truth which Man had depriv'd himself of so became Darkness has the Lord in Love to lost Man made appear again by the Name of the Grace of God appearing to all Men and Light shining in the Heart where the Darkness and the Power thereof hath taken Place so now the Grace of God which brings Salvation hath appeared unto all Men teaching us to wit all that believe in it to deny Vngodliness and worldly Lusts and to live soberly and Godlikely in this present evil World Now the Grace that brings Salvation to as many as believe in it is the Condemnation of those which believe not in it for this is the Condemnation that Light Grace is come and Men love Darkness rather then Light because their Deeds are evil Light shineth in the Heart by it the Lord doth search out the desperate Wickedness thereof and so trieth the Reins that all Men are left without Excuse in his Sight the Talent is given to all Light shines in all Grace and Truth appears to all the Possession of the Glory of God again is tendered to all through the Light which shines in the Heart to give the Knowledge of the Glory of God again in the Face of Jesus Christ who is God's Power to