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A83496	Speeches and passages of this great and happy Parliament: from the third of November, 1640, to this instant June, 1641. Collected into one volume, and according to the most perfect originalls, exactly published.	England and Wales. Parliament.; Mervyn, Audley, Sir, d. 1675.; Pym, John, 1584-1643.; Strafford, Thomas Wentworth, Earl of, 1593-1641.	1641 (1641)	Wing E2309; Thomason E159_1; ESTC R212697	305,420	563

My Lord Keeper did first let us know that his Majesty had commanded the Lords Commissioners of the great Councell to give an account of their Treaties at Yorke and Rippon to both Houses and of his Majesties gracious intentions in a businesse so much importing the honour and safety of the Kingdome that there might be made a faithfull relation with all candor and clearnesse which was the summe of his Majesties instructions His Lordship declaring that my Lords of the upper House for the saving of time had thought fit to give this account to a Committee of both Houses which hath occasioned the meeting at this Conference and election being made of the Earle of Bristoll by the Lords Commissioners he began his Narration directed to the Lords of the upper House and to the Knights Citizens and Burgesses of the house of Commons and thus the Earle of Bristoll began That the Lords Commissioners intended not to looke further back into the businesse then the Acts of their own imployments They did intend to give no account of the pacification interrupted nor war renewed no account how the Armies in England Ireland and by Sea were designed nor of any occasion They purposed not to lay fault upon any man nor to enquire into the cause why the Scots as they pretended from necessity were drawne to enter this Kingdome nor why the Kings Army when service was to be done was out of the way But that those through whose hands these have passed might hereafter give their own account His Lordship told us that his Majesty was pleased to call his great Councell at Yorke to whom he made two propositions The first was how his Army which seemed to be in distresse for want of pay should be relieved and maintained To this to shew their duties to the King the Lords resolved to ingage themselves and to that purpose to send chosen Deputies to London to negotiate a supply The second proposition was that after the Scots had passed Northumberland taken Newcastle and possessed the Bishopricke of Duresme they sent a Petition to his Majesty which containeth in generall termes a desire to have their grievances taken into consideration Which Petition and Answer thereunto was read unto us A. N. A. and presented for our clearer understanding Upon receipt of his Majesties Answer the Scotish Lords sent his Majesty a second Petition directed in a Letter to the Earle of Lanrick K. Q. in which they made their particular demands and declared that according to his Majesties command they would advance no further and this Petition was also read and delivered unto us of which his Lordship desired that great Assembly to take especiall notice for that much of the future discourse would depend upon it The businesse thus stated at the great Councell the second proposition was what Answer should be made to that Petionary Letter and in what manner it should be carried In which his Majesty required their Councell Whereupon the Lords replyed that it was impossible for them to give any well grounded advice unlesse the true state of his affaires and the Condition of his Army were laid before them Whereupon his Majesty commanded the Earle of Traquaire N. L. to make the Narration of the Scotish businesse and their late Acts of Parliament and the Lord Lievtenant generall to give an account in what condition the Army stood and what was answered by my Lord Lievtenant was read in his owne words Besides this declaration the Earle of Bristoll delivered upon a further enquiry how the state of the businesse then stood That the Scots Army had passed Northumberland without resistance that they had disputed the passage of the River of Tyne at Newburne where our horse retyred in disorder that his Majesties foot Army consisting of twelve or fourteene thousand men in Newcastle likewise retired to Yorke whereby the Towne of Newcastle a place of great consideration was without one stroke strucken fallen into the Scots hands and the Bishopricke of Duresme drawn under Contribution That in this state the Gentry of the Bishopricke repayred to Master Treasurer who carryed them to his Majesty from whom they were referred to my Lord Lievtenant of the Army who gave them this answer positively That they could looke for no help nor protection from the King and therefore they might use the best meanes they could to preserve their lives and estates Whereby those distressed Provinces the ancient Bulwarks of this Kingdome full of brave and valiant men being now fallen into the power of an Army which of necessity must live were forced to consent to a contribution by Treaty and a very heavy one though such without which the Scotish Army could not subsist The agreement was 350. l. a day for the Bishopricke of Duresme 300. l. a day for Northumberland 200. a day for the Towne of Newcastle in all 850. l. a day which should it continue would amount unto 300000. l. for one yeare These Gentlemen much lamented their estates that the Scots should be irritated as they call it by being proclaimed Traytors His Lordship made a little digression and asked leave to speake truth in such language as the Scots had presented their state unto them That having proclamation made against them being threatned with a great Army of thirty or forty thousand men another of ten thousand out of Ireland and by Parliament declared Traytors and Rebels and having heard of another Army providing of eight or ten thousand by shipping to hinder their Trade at least their Commerce with England that they were drawne together by necessity as they pretended of defence further alledging that it was a common discourse of which they had seene papers that they should bee reduced into a Province which would be but one Summers worke and therefore they having drawne their power together as any Nation would doe and being assembled and their Country being poore taking advantage of the time and that all those Armies that should oppose them were out of the way and those unfortunate Provinces left like a list of Cloath they were forced to enter in England that thus they had lamented and thus the state stood before the Lords when it was examined in the great Councell Thus their Lordships found that the Scots had increased their confines neere fourescore miles in England and had passed the Rivers of Tweed and Tyne and that the River of Tees the boundary of Yorkeshire Duresme being possessed was not to be defended being foordable in many places by forty horse a front that if the Scots should passe that River there was no possibility to hinder them from comming to Yorke or to any part of England without hazarding a Battell which my Lord Lievtenant had declared unto them he would not advise for though the Kings Army consisted of seventeene or eighteene thousand good bodies of men yet being untrained and unused to Armes he would be loath to hazzard such an Adventure upon them but if they

abilities of nature and what he hath got by acquisition depth of judgement quicknesse of apprehension unparaleld moderation in great Councels and great affaires such as you my Lords that had the happinesse to attend Him at the Councell of the Peeres at York to your great joy and comfort can witnesse and after ages will remember to His eternall honour and same For His just and pious Government I dare boldly say that if any under Him as our Instrument have had the distributing of justice to His people have not done as they ought the fault is their own and they have done contrary to the Royall Nature and expresse Command of our Gratious Soveraign from whom I have often learned this golden Rule and Maxim he serves me best that serves me with honesty and integrity Behold Him in another part of Himself in His dearest comfort our Gracious Queen the mirror of Vertue from whom since Her happy arrivall here now above three lustres of yeetes never any Subject record other then gratious and benigne Influence and I dare a vow as She is neerest and dearest to our Soveraign so there is none whose affections and endeavours His Majesty onely excepted hath or doth or can cooperate more to the happy successe of this Parliament and the never to be equalled joy and comfort of a right understanding between the King and His people Behold Him in His best image our excellent young Prince and the rest of the Royall and lively Progeny in whom we cannot but promise to our selves to have our happinesse perpetuated From the Throne turn your eyes upon the two supporters of it on the one side the Stemne of honour the Nobility and Clergy on the other side the Gentry and Commons Where was there or is there in any part of the world a nobility so numerous so magnanimous and yet with such a temper that they neither ecclipse the throne nor overtop the people but keep in a distance fit for the greatnesse of the Throne Where was there a Common-wealth so free and the ballance so equally held as here And certainly so long as the beam is so held it cannot be otherwise in right Anglis if you turn the line never so little it groweth quickly accute or obdure and so in States the least deviation makes a great change But His Majesties great wisedome and goodnesse and the assistance of the Honourable Assembly I do not doubt will be a means to make us stear between the Teophick of moderation that there be no declension from the poole of severity I am by His Maiesties Command to relate to you some proceedings since the last Assembly here You may remember the Summer preceding this last His Majesty went with an Army into the North ingaged in honour so to do by reason of the c●urses that were taken by divers of the Subjects in Scotland in the prejudice of Monarchy and rendring lesse glorious this Kingdom I know not under what pretence but all that time they came very neer England with an Army so neer that it was believed they would have then entred and invaded the Kingdome They did professe the contrary neither did they want remonstrations and declarations to infuse this opinion into the hearts of His Majesties people before it would by the effects What their intentions from the beginning were His Maiestie by His goodnesse and wisedome settled a Peace and made a pacification at Barwick upon which both Armies were disbanded which pacification and every Article of it His Maiesty for His part hath been so far from violating that whensoever any question shall be made of it shall plainly and clearly appear it was His care to see it in all things performed On the contrary those Subiects of His not contented with that grace which His Maiesty then gave them in those Articles of pacification they have strained them beyond the bounds and limits of the intention and meaning but they over and above attempted and acted divers things so prejudiciall to Monarchy and contrary and repugnant to the Law and settled constitution and usage of that Kingdome that His Maiesty could not in honour continue at it This being made known unto His Maiesty and to His Privy Councell by those who best knew the State and affairs of that Kingdom and that were most trusted and imployed by His Maiesty His Maiesty by the unaminous consent of His Privy Councell resolved to raise an army to reduce them to their modest and iust condition of true obedience and subiection to defend this Kingdome from all damage and danger that by their means how specious soever they shaddow their pretences they might fall upon it His Maiesty then foresaw and foretold that the raising of an Army at this time was but to stand upon their own defence as they professed and they had an intention to enter this Kingdome and to seize upon some place of importance and eminency and His Maiesty in particular named Newcastle Had His Maiesty then had means and money aswell as he had certain knowledge of their intentions I do beleeve that these calamities that have fallen upon that Town and the Counties adioyning had been prevented Perhaps the misinterpretation of His Maiesties intentions and the misunderstanding of His actions and I am a fraid the two benigne interpretation of the attempts actions and professions of the Subiects in Scotland added s●me impediment to that which the most of us I hope have lived to repent of His Maiesty howsoever w●nt in Person to the North to see His Army ordered and to take care for the safety and defence of this Kingdom asmuch as he possible could He had not long been there but that which he foresaw and foretold fell out for the Scots passed with their Army the Rivers Tweed and Tine and seized upon Newcastle which of what importance it is you all know And that they force contribution of the Counties of No●thumberland and the Bishoprick of Durb●m besides many other spoiles and distructions that were committed His Maiesty well considering of what weight and importance this was and then having neither time nor place to call this assembly of Parliament He did resolve as had been frequently used to summon a great Councell of all the Peeres that by their advice and assistance there might be some interruption given to the calamity that was likely to spread over the whole Kingdome And commanded Writs to issue accordingly That was not done to prevent but to prepare for a Parliament It was not to clash or entor fire with this assembly by acting or ordering any thing which belongeth to this high and supream jurisdiction but onely to give their assistance for the present to render things more fit for this great assembly That His Maiesties intention was so it is cleer for before ever any petition was delivered or ever any speech of petition for a Parliament His Maiesty had resolved to call one The Lords understood It so will plainly appear by the

house is all glorious within If we which are Heires to their lawes as unto their lands will strive to make no addition to the rich inventurie of those priviledges they have bequeathed unto us yet with united spirits let us all at least prevent the dilapidation nay the diminution of the least of them This present occasion of debating Mr. Fitz-Gerralds petition exhibited to this honorable house sets before us blessings and cursings and is the first leafe as wee may terme it of the house of commons Almanak not made to serve for one but for many yeers and calculated to serve indifferently for all latitudes in which our carriage makes this and all succeeding dayes but servil and working daies or otherwise imprints this day and our priviledges in a conspicuous plausive rubrique to posterity whilest the Palladium was in Troy neither the power nor the long siege of the Grecians could prevaile against it whilest Minoes purple lockes curled from their native roots Creete was unvanquished The Morall of these affictions emphatically preach and teach us this Doctrine that the safety pregnancy glory and strength of this house is but only sent us upon this condition whilest we keepe preserve and defend our liberties our rights our priviledges unbetrayed unsuppressed and uncontrolled if any more allyed to the corruptions of our owne distempers then challenging an interest in us by a legitimate birth could involve this grave and great assembly in such epidemicall liturgie as directly to snore or at lest to wink whilest our priviledges cloathed in a purple robe of glory like a word never to be recalled escape from among us I say if ungratefull I should out off the inheritance of these immunities entailed upon us and confirmed as a monument all portion upon this younger brother of state this House of Commons what can we expect but that our Fathers Ghosts apparelled with indignation should appear unto us with this or the liking branding phrase Most ungratefull and unfortunate posterity O aetas parentum pejor Avis better had it bin for you not to live then to out-live your owne infamie If there had been a necessity you should involve your selves in a general-guilt the election ought to have beene of such a one as might have died with your selves but this like originall sinne binds your posterity to sigh for a redemption Did we bequeath unto you those faire ornaments to be stolne or snatched from you Oh where where was your vigilancy and boldnesse to present so disasterous and fatall a consequence Did we with no better successe of imitation by your labour and even unto hoarsenesse contend in the Parliament held 39. Hen. 6. as Prophecying your weakenesse leave you a record to build upon Where we admitted and priviledged one Walter Clarke a Burgesse of Chepengham though at that time in execution ad s●ct Reg. Did we for this purpose recommend unto you Ferrars case and our proceecings against the disturbers of his right Did we for this purpose recommend unto you Belgraves case 43. of the Queene Who notwithstanding be procured his election in Winchester by collusion yet Maugre the great opposition raised by the Earle of Huntington upon the sight of the Sheriffes returne a sufficient amerment to satisfie us we admitted and c●nfirm●d him in the protection of our house did we for this purpose exemplifie unto you the case of Richard Chidder 5. Henry 4 who being arrested in his journey towards the Parliaments where note that the date of the election is the date of the priviledge They are twins of one birth wee ingraft them as a twig to bee writh'd by our common roote and quickly lopt off that so perilous authority which would prunne our branches Nay Mr. Speaker our fellowes labouring Parliament in England with their hearty commendation have transmitted unto us a precedent from each house The house of the Lords opening the gates of the Tower to prepare an entry to the censured Bishop of Lincolne and the house of Commons with like imitation and like successe having performed the same in Sir John Elliot and innumerable others But now I will endeavour to allay the distempered spirits of our Fathers whilest with more patience and duty we attend the modest corrections of our indulgent King And so exeunt Patres and Intr. H. 8. in his owne person commending the resolution and zeale of the house of Commons in preserving the lustre of their owne Priviledges from being Eclipsed aledging himselfe to be interessed in them since that he and they knit together compleated one body who in this our deserved calamities would not rather imitate us by scofs then qualifie our untimely repentance by absence of our owne murdering wrongs What may not E. 4. exprobrate unto us who in the 3. yeare of his raigne records his regall pleasure to posterity That all Acts Suites judgements censures qui dicit omne excludit nullum awarded against any Member of Parliament should be utterly void and frustrate crowning the Act with an Emphaticall epiphonema and this act to endure for ever And surely common reason is pregnant in the justification thereof That where the publique service and good is primarily intended a supersedias must issue to private respects since they cannot stand in competition and inhabit our s● heare If their judgements are not yet calmed and setled behold his Majesty that now is cloathed in his royall Robes and thus speaking unto you from underneath his state Gentlemen why stagger you thus that are your selves the pillars of the common-weale you are not upon breaking the Ice nor bound upon the discovery of the unknowne world each leafe reports your precedents that are like Maps that secure and expedite your fortunate Navigation From me you can expect no more satisfaction then what I have declared in the third yeer of my Raign in answer to the Petition of Right in Parliament that I am interested in the maintaining of the Priviledges of this House being a main Pillar of the liberty of my Subject the goods of one _____ being seised in my name and for my use for denying Tonnage and pondage they reassumed he being at the time of that seisure a Member of the House and whether I distasted sure I am I had no redresse As for the tender care of my interest in the fine of 10000 l. and that you admitted my Atturney generall to a favourable hearing in my behalf though against your selves a Parliamentary custome not to be written in small Print I thank you Gentlemen yet I think you know as well as I that these great sounding Fines to me have in their effects but short and little accounts if there be 3. bags the little one is mine the 5000 l. dammages to the party a summe equall or more to the defendants estate is as much as Magna Charta by those words of salvo contenemento would warrant Therefore my Judges by dividing it might have considered me somewhat whereas now the old proverbe

Comitatus nescit dijudicare Thus did Ethelweld Bishop of Winchester transferre his suit against Leostine from the County ad generale placitum in the time of King Etheldred Queen Edgine against Goda from the County appealed to King Etheldred at London Congregatis principibus sapientibus Angliae a suit between the Bishops of Winchester and Durham in the time of Saint Edward Coram Episcopis principibus Regni inpresentia Regis ventilate finita In the tenth yeer of the Conqueror Episcopi Comites Barones Regni potestate adversis provinciis ad universalem Synodum pro causis audiendis tractandis Convocati saith the book of Westminster And this continued all along in the succeeding Kings raigne untill towards the end of Henry the third AS this great Court or Councell consisting of the King and Barons ruled the great affairs of State and controlled all inferiour Courts so were there certain Officers whose transcendent power seemed to be set to bound in the execution of Princes wills as the Steward Constable and Marshall fixed upon Families in Fee for many ages They as Tribunes of the people or explori among the Athenians grown by unmanly courage fearfull to Monarchy fell at the feet and mercie of the King when the daring Earle of Leicester was slain at Evesham This chance and the deare experience H the 3. himselfe had made at the Parliament at Oxford in the 40. yeare of his Raign and the memory of the many straights his Father was driven unto especially at Rumny-mead neere Stanes brought this King wisely to begin what his Successour fortunately finished in lessoning the strength and power of his great Lords and this was wrought by searching into the Regality they had usurped over their peculiar Soveraigns whereby they were as the booke of St. Albans termeth them Quot Domini tot Tiranni And by the weakning that hand of power which they carried in the Parliaments by commanding the service of many Knights Citizens and Burgesses to that great Councell Now began the frequent sending of Writs to the Commons their assent not only used in money charge and making Lawes for before all ordinances passed by the King and Peeres but their consent in judgements of all natures whether civill or criminall In proofe-whereof I will produce some few succeeding Presidents out of Record When Adamor that proud Prelate of Winchester the Kings half brother had grieved the State by his daring power Liber S. Alban fol. 20.7 An 44. H. 3. he was exiled by joynt sentence of the King the Lords and Commons and this appeareth expressely by the Letter sent to Pope Alexander the fourth expostulating a revocation of him from banishment because be was a Church-man and so not subject to any censure in this the answer is Si Dominus Rex Regnimajores hoc vellent meaning his revocation Communit as tamen ipsius ingressum in Angliam jam nullatenus sustineret The Peers subsign this answer with their names and Petrus de Mountford vice totius Communitatis as Speaker or Proctor of the Commons For by that stile Sir John Tiptofe Prolocutor Charta orig sub figil An. 8. H. 4. affirmeth under his Arms the Deed of Intaile of the Crowns by King Henry the 4. in the 8. year of his Raign for all the Commons The banishment of the two Spencers in the 15. of Edward the second Prelati Comites Barones les autres Peeres de la terre Communes de Roialme give consent and sentence to the revocation and reversement of the former sentence the Lords and Commons accord and so it is expressed in the Roll. In the first of Edw. the 3. when Elizabeth the widdow of Sir John de Burgo complained in Parliament Rot. Parl. 15. E. 3 vel 2. that Hugh Spencer the younger Robert Boldock and William Cliffe his instruments had by duresse forced to make a Writing to the King wherby she was dispoyled of all her inheritance sentence is given for her in these words Pur ceo que avis est al Evesques Counts Barones autres grandes a tout Cominalte de la terre que le dit escript est fait contre ley tout manere de raison si fuist le det escript per agard del Parliam dampue elloquens al livre a ladit Eliz. In An. 4. Edw. 3. it appeareth by a Letter to the Pope Prel● Parliam 1. Ed. 3. Rot. 11 that to the sentence given against the Earle of Kent the Commons were parties as well as the Lords and Peeres for the King directed their proceedings in these words Comitibus Magnatibus Baronibus aliis de Communitate dicti Regni ad Parliamentum illud congregatis injunximus ut super his discernerent judicarent quod rationi justitiae conveniret habere prae oculis solum Deum qui eum concordi unanimi sententia tanquam reum criminis laesae Majestatis morti adjudicarent ejus sententia c. When in the 50 yeere of Edw. 3. the Lords had pronounced the sentence against Richard Lions Parl An. 5. Edw. 3. otherwise then the Commons agreed they appealed to the King and had redresse and the sentence entred to their desires When in the first yeere of Richard the second William Weston Parl. An. 1. Rich. 2 11 3.8 3.5 and John Jennings were arraigned in Parliament for surrendring certain Forts of the Kings the Commons were parties to the sentence against them given as appeareth by a Memorandum annexed to that Record In the first of Hen. the 4. although the Commons refer by protestation the pronouncing of the sentence of deposition against King Rich. the 2. unto the Lords yet are they equally interessed in it as it appeareth by the Record for there are made Proctors or Commissioners for the whole Parliament one B. one Abbot one E. one Baron and 2. Knights Gray and Erpingham for the Commons and to infer that because the Lords pronounced the sentence the point of judgement should be only theirs were as absurd as to conclude that no authority was best in any other Commissioner of Oyer and Terminer then in the person of that man solely that speaketh the sentence In 2. Hen. 5. the Petition of the Commons importeth no lesse than a right they had to act and assent to all things in Parliament Rot. Parl. An. 2. H 6. and so it is answered by the King and had not the adjourned Roll of the higher House beene left to the sole entry of the Clark of the upper House who either out of the neglect to observe due forme or out of purpose to obscure the Commons right and to flatter the power of those who immediately served there would have been frequent examples of all times to cleere this doubt and to preserve a just interest to the Common-wealth and how conveniently it suites with Monarchy to maintaine this forme lest others of that well framed bodie knit under one