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A65893 Truth and innocency vindicated and the people called Quakers defended in principle and practice, against invidious attempts and calumnies, being a just examination of two books against the said people, entituled, I. examined by G. Whitehead ... Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723. 1699 (1699) Wing W1969; ESTC R20356 65,800 86

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they deem them Erroneous we must take them to be of a contrary Opinion namely that their Baptism to wit Sprinkling Infants is not Carnal but Spiritual and commanded of God and that their Sacrament Communion Bread and Wine is not Carnal but Spiritual But how can that be without Transubstantiation pray A Doctrine wholly disown'd by us which if they prove all this by Scripture and the word Sacrament also then all that hold they are Carnal and not Spiritual ought to retract and confess their Error I 'll not exclude my self on these Terms But I wish these Men would not be too hot and fierce about words I would not have them take the word Carnal as a word of Contempt against any thing that God ever commanded for they may read of Carnal Ordinances spoken of things which God once commanded Heb. 9.9 which stood only in Meats and Drinks and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 variis Baptismatibus divers Baptisms and Carnal Ordinances impos'd on them until the time of Reformation Again W. Smith's Primer is charged that Baptism Bread and Wine arose from the Pope's Invention c. I having found W. S. in like manner wronged in this heretofore by some called Anabaptists upon search I gave them this Answer from his own Explication viz. That it was not Bread and Wine in the Lord's Supper nor Baptism without distinction that he rendred the Pope's Invention but sprinkling Water in a Child's Face signing it with the Sign of the Cross on it's Fore-head God-fathers and Godmothers to undertake for it Bread and Wine so used and received i. e. by a sort of Priests and People as the Body and Blood of Christ which they tell them is broken and shed for them which implies Transubstantiation and did not these thus considered rise from the Pope's Invention trow ye See the Contemned Quaker and his Christian Religion defended p. 23 24. To their Charge against W. Penn's Reason against Railing printed 1673. p. 108 109. his saying I affirm by that one Scripture Heb. 9.10 that Circumcision is as much in force as Water-Baptism and the Paschal Lamb as Bread and Wine they were both Shadows and both Elementary and Perishable And here they leave out divers explanatory Lines Whereupon I ask these Men First if the Paschal Lamb which was a principal part of the Lord's Supper Luke 22. be in force among Christians Second If Water Baptism Bread and Wine be not Shadows and Elementary and Perishable If it be an Offence to say they are then I would ask these Men if they believe their Bread and Wine are not Perishable Elementary and of a decaying Nature If not how will they clear themselves of the Popish Doctrine of Transubstantiation But I would charitably think better of them than their Charges in these matters Import Those charged with Cain's Sacrifice in their Ordinances Churches and Teachings for which News coming up is again quoted against us p. 4.14 were such as were in the First Birth and Envious Persecutors and Wicked Persons as were justly reprehended in those days when that was writ in 1654. even as the Prophet Isaiah testified against Israel Isa 1. because of their Iniquities tho' they observ'd Outward Ordinances What they quote about one Quaker writing to another in a bemoaning Letter called The Spirit of the Hat printed 1673. p. 12. complaining of G. Fox not allowing any Liberty c. That 's not true nor the comparison just between G. F. and the Papists for he was always against Persecution and Coertion by Penal Laws for matters purely relating to Conscience or Worship toward God and for all to have their Liberty to Worship him as inwardly persuaded which Popery will not allow And for G. F's saying No Liberty out of the Power and asserting Gospel-Liberty this we knew related to the Church of Christ there being no true Liberty but in the Power and Spirit of the Lord and the Church desires no other than what 's agreable to Truth And W. P's Brief Examination and State of Liberty Spiritual Printed 1681. which is also quoted against us Imports no other than a Liberty in Truth and for Unity Society and good Order therein and against the Spirit of Strife Division and Self-Separation which would cloak it self under Pretence of claiming Liberty of Conscience and being left to the Grace and Spirit of God within when its Design is to be at Liberty both to break good Order and Unity and to lead into Loosness fleshly and corrupt Liberty It follows not that we allow no Liberty to any who differ from us as is falsly noted in their Margent against us for the Liberty God allows to all Mankind in the Creation we would debar none of though we cannot receive them into Society with us who walk not after the Spirit but after the Flesh Of GOVERNMENT 26th Charge p. 15. In the Margent it 's noted They declare themselves against Kingly Government for which they quote Edw. Burrough's Works p. 244. The Lord is risen to overturn to overturn Kings and Princes Governments and Laws And He will change Times and Laws and Governments c. Now observe That these Prophetical Passages with many other of the like Import were writ in the Year 1657. and have they not been in a great Measure fulfilled by the various Overturnings and Revolutions which since have come to pass Can any deny a Matter so apparent But does this argue that we are against a Kingly Government when God will have it No sure As there was Submission to Him in Prophecying such Truths so there hath been and is on our parts in what He brings to pass concerning Revolutions and Governments and it must be known and acknowledged That the Most High rules in the Kingdoms of Men and giveth them to whomsoever he pleaseth Dan. 4.17 25. 'T is also observable that these our Accusers who render us Seditious have very Partially left out the Reason of the afore recited Prophecies as O what cruel Injustice and Tyranny in Civil Governments O what abominable Superstitions and Idolatries have been in supposed Church-Governments It 's a Vexation to the Spirit of the Lord to consider it and the Righteous Soul hath long cried and mourned under it And because of this is the Lord of Heaven and Earth now risen to overturn overturn c. And after the Words quoted these are left out viz. And he will confound and break down all Tyranny and Oppression under which the Poor have groaned c. Now observe how Universal and Impartial these Prophecies were being directed in general under the Title of a Standard lifted up and an Ensign held forth unto all Nations Now suppose any one should be stirr'd up to Prophecy against any King or Prince in any Nation where great Persecution and Oppression is upheld or maintain'd whether in France or in any other Nation or Popish Countries were it a good Inference to say It were a Declaration against Kingly Government in general No sure