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A26886 Certain disputations of right to sacraments, and the true nature of visible Christianity defending them against several sorts of opponents, especially against the second assault of that pious, reverend and dear brother Mr. Thomas Blake / by Richard Baxter ... Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691. 1658 (1658) Wing B1212; ESTC R39868 418,313 558

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such_o be_v unmeet_a to_o be_v incorporate_v into_o christ_n which_o baptism_n do_v 2._o because_o baptism_n with_o they_o can_v attain_v its_o end_n to_o take_v away_o their_o sin_n and_o in_o the_o work_n of_o god_n and_o the_o church_n nothing_o must_v be_v do_v in_o vain_a or_o that_o can_v reach_v the_o appoint_a end_n 3._o because_o else_o there_o will_v be_v falsehood_n in_o the_o sacramental_a sign_n which_o must_v not_o be_v and_o one_o will_v think_v by_o his_o answer_n add_v 2_o m_o &_o 3_o m_o that_o he_o say_v as_o much_o as_o i_o &_o be_v for_o the_o necessity_n of_o a_o fides_fw-la formata_fw-la and_o conversion_n itself_o before_o baptism_n say_v he_o add_v 2._o ideo_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la baptismi_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la exhibiendum_fw-la nisi_fw-la ei_fw-la in_o quo_fw-la interioris_fw-la conversionis_fw-la aliquod_fw-la signum_fw-la apparet_fw-la sicut_fw-la nec_fw-la medicina_fw-la corporalis_fw-la adhibetur_fw-la infirmo_fw-la nisi_fw-la in_o eo_fw-la aliquis_fw-la motua_fw-la vitalis_fw-la nature_n appareat_fw-la and_o ad_fw-la 3_o m_o answer_v those_o objector_n that_o i_o intend_v p._n 51._o he_o say_v dicendum_fw-la quod_fw-la baptismus_fw-la est_fw-la fidei_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la fides_n autem_fw-la informis_fw-la non_fw-la sufficit_fw-la ad_fw-la salutem_fw-la nec_fw-la ipsa_fw-la est_fw-la fundamentum_fw-la sed_fw-la sola_fw-la fides_fw-la formata_fw-la quae_fw-la per_fw-la dilectionem_fw-la operatur_fw-la ut_fw-la aug._n l._n the_o sid_n &_o op_n vnde_fw-la nec_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la baptismi_fw-la salutem_fw-la confer_v potest_fw-la cum_fw-la voluntate_fw-la peccandi_fw-la quae_fw-la fidei_fw-la formam_fw-la excludit_fw-la non_fw-fr est_fw-fr autem_fw-la per_fw-la impressionem_fw-la characteris_fw-la baptismalis_fw-la aliquis_fw-la disponendus_fw-la ad_fw-la gratiam_fw-la quamdiu_fw-la in_o eo_fw-la apparet_fw-la voluntas_fw-la peccandi_fw-la he_o hear_v plain_o speak_v de_fw-fr fide_fw-la formata_fw-la ut_fw-la afferendâ_fw-la and_o not_o ut_fw-la recipiendâ_fw-la per_fw-la baptismum_fw-la so_o that_o he_o be_v here_o full_o for_o i_o in_o the_o main_a cause_n of_o these_o disputation_n and_o so_o must_v they_o all_o that_o do_v affirm_v a_o true_a death_n to_o sin_n to_o be_v one_o of_o the_o prerequisites_n if_o they_o will_v not_o contradict_v themselves_o and_o that_o be_v common_a for_o it_o be_v a_o vain_a conceit_n that_o preparatory_a grace_n kill_v sin_n and_o special_a grace_n afterward_o give_v a_o new_a life_n that_o which_o expel_v death_n be_v life_n and_o that_o which_o expel_v darkness_n be_v nothing_o else_o but_o the_o light_n itself_o add_v also_o what_o aquinas_n say_v sup_v qu._n 2._o a._n 3._o c._n nullum_fw-la peccatum_fw-la dimittitur_fw-la nisi_fw-la quis_fw-la justificetur_fw-la sed_fw-la ad_fw-la justificationem_fw-la requiritur_fw-la contritio_fw-la and_o what_o he_o say_v 3._o qu._n 49._o a._n 1._o ad_fw-la 2_o m_o per_fw-la fidem_fw-la applicatur_fw-la nobis_fw-la passio_fw-la christi_fw-la ad_fw-la percipiendum_fw-la fructum_fw-la ipsius_fw-la fides_n autem_fw-la per_fw-la quam_fw-la à_fw-la peccato_fw-la mundamur_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la fides_fw-la informis_fw-la quae_fw-la potest_fw-la esse_fw-la etiam_fw-la cum_fw-la peccato_fw-la sed_fw-la est_fw-la fides_fw-la formata_fw-la per_fw-la charitatem_fw-la ut_fw-la sic_fw-la passio_fw-la christi_fw-la nobis_fw-la applicetur_fw-la non_fw-la solùm_fw-la quantum_fw-la ad_fw-la intellectum_fw-la sed_fw-la etiam_fw-la quantum_fw-la ad_fw-la effectum_fw-la yet_o i_o know_v they_o here_o confound_v themselves_o by_o their_o sophistry_n tell_v we_o that_o contrition_n be_v before_o charity_n material_o and_o after_o it_o effective_o and_o that_o contritio_fw-la se_fw-la habet_fw-la ut_fw-la ultima_fw-la dispositio_fw-la ad_fw-la gratiam_fw-la consequendam_fw-la and_o that_o poenitentia_fw-la quae_fw-la est_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la be_v before_o poenitentia_fw-la q●●_n est_fw-la virtus_fw-la and_o be_v the_o instrument_n of_o effect_v it_o as_o though_o a_o dissemble_a ceremony_n or_o false_a profession_n will_v work_v grace_n so_o that_o there_o be_v no_o hold_n of_o they_o at_o the_o best_a for_o they_o have_v lose_v themselves_o in_o contradiction_n i_o know_v also_o that_o they_o make_v the_o sacrament_n of_o baptism_n to_o justify_v and_o sanctify_v infallible_o all_o infant_n that_o be_v offer_v by_o the_o church_n on_o their_o allow_a title_n let_v the_o parent_n be_v never_o so_o bad_a because_o they_o think_v the_o church_n faith_n may_v serve_v instead_o of_o the_o parent_n as_o the_o church_n intention_n may_v serve_v instead_o both_o of_o the_o minister_n say_v aquinas_n and_o the_o infant_n yea_o and_o the_o church_n itself_o need_v not_o lend_v a_o infant_n any_o contrition_n for_o they_o be_v agree_v that_o neither_o other_o man_n sin_n nor_o our_o own_o original_a sin_n which_o be_v all_o that_o the_o infant_n have_v be_v the_o object_n of_o contrition_n but_o only_o our_o own_o actual_a sin_n yet_o one_o will_v think_v that_o the_o ordinary_a doctrine_n that_o the_o votum_fw-la vel_fw-la propositum_fw-la may_v save_v without_o baptism_n shall_v imply_v that_o before_o baptism_n the_o desire_n of_o it_o be_v suppose_v to_o have_v charity_n or_o special_a grace_n the_o roman_a catechism_n say_v par._n 2._o pag._n 142._o baptismi_fw-la suscipiendi_fw-la propositum_fw-la atque_fw-la consilium_fw-la &_o malae_fw-la acta_fw-la aquavitae_fw-la p●enitentia_fw-la satis_fw-la futura_fw-la sit_fw-la ad_fw-la gratiam_fw-la &_o justitiam_fw-la si_fw-la repentinus_fw-la aliquis_fw-la casus_fw-la impediat_fw-la quò_fw-la minùs_fw-la solutari_fw-la aquâ_fw-la ablui_fw-la possint_fw-la and_o they_o confess_v that_o none_o can_v be_v save_v without_o charity_n therefore_o those_o that_o die_v before_o baptism_n must_v be_v suppose_v to_o have_v charity_n but_o ordinary_o they_o make_v attrition_n sufficient_a and_o by_o the_o sacrament_n give_v to_o the_o attrite_a justification_n and_o so_o charity_n be_v confer_v and_o thus_o by_o a_o outward_a act_n a_o man_n that_o have_v but_o common_a grace_n may_v get_v special_a grace_n yea_o if_o they_o counterfeit_v attrition_n itself_o yet_o they_o receive_v the_o foresay_a indelible_a character_n which_o give_v they_o the_o jura_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la and_o as_o the_o roman_a catechism_n say_v par._n 2._o qu._n 19_o pag._n 125._o by_o this_o character_n ad_fw-la alia_fw-la sacramenta_fw-la percipienda_fw-la redduntur_fw-la idonei_fw-la and_o then_o the_o other_o sacrament_n at_o least_o by_o the_o help_n of_o attrition_n will_v sure_o justify_v and_o save_v they_o and_o thus_o they_o make_v a_o common_a grace_n sufficient_a to_o let_v they_o into_o the_o church_n by_o baptism_n yea_o the_o mere_a baptism_n itself_o without_o any_o grace_n at_o all_o and_o so_o make_v their_o character_n and_o church-state_n the_o way_n to_o justification_n which_o be_v the_o thing_n i_o charge_v they_o with_o pag._n 50_o 51._o and_o those_o that_o do_v seem_v exceed_o to_o comfort_n and_o encourage_v their_o proselyte_n by_o tell_v they_o of_o the_o certain_a efficacy_n of_o the_o sacrament_n and_o that_o they_o sure_o put_v away_o all_o sin_n and_o guilt_n &_o open_a heaven_n to_o they_o so_o that_o one_o will_v think_v there_o be_v assurance_n of_o salvation_n or_o exceed_a comfort_n reach_v forth_o yet_o they_o take_v it_o all_o away_o again_o and_o do_v but_o tantalise_v and_o delude_v the_o people_n for_o they_o that_o with_o we_o require_v contrition_n before_o the_o sacrament_n do_v withal_o tell_v we_o that_o no_o man_n can_v know_v by_o any_o ordinary_a mean_n but_o only_o by_o revelation_n whether_o he_o be_v contrite_a or_o not_o and_o consequent_o whether_o he_o shall_v be_v justify_v pardon_v or_o save_v ever_o the_o more_o for_o all_o the_o sacrament_n and_o those_o that_o take_v up_o with_o attrition_n do_v both_o confound_v themselves_o and_o their_o follower_n with_o 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