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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A85071	The Faithfull narrative of the late testimony and demand made to Oliver Cromwel, and his powers, on the behalf of the Lords prisoners, in the name of the Lord Jehovah (Jesus Christ,) king of saints and nations. Published by faithful hands, members of churches (out of the original copies) to prevent mistakes, and misreports thereupon. To the faithful remnant of the Lamb, who are in this day of great rebuke and blasphemy, ingaged against the beast and his government, especially, to the new non-conforming churches, and saints in city and country, commonly called by the name of fifth monarchy men.	Horton, Hur.	1655 (1655)	Wing F278; Thomason E830_20; ESTC R207450	41,484	44

be clear before I can proceed further for if they petitioned I have done and dare not answer a word on that ground because I represent thousands of the poore Saints who are one with me in this cause whose Trust I cannot I dare not betray O.P. Then we have done for I tell you you came here by adesire I told them I would put it to the issue this meeting and that I would prove it you suffered for evil-doing Ro. That will not be so easily done But my Lord I speak as I hope I am a civil man and in some measure a rational man and I trust through grace I am a Christian nor doth Christianity destroy civility and yet I must say again that I care hither by the Desire or Request of my friends I shall not I will not speak a word any farther than to tell you my reasons For I would not have any friend petition for me where in and to whom I cannot with a good conscience petition for my self now in the matters of faith and truth for which we suffer we cannot petition to you for we are not Debtors to man but to God who is the Law giver and only proper judge therein and therefore we petition to the Lord Jehovah our Judge then 2. If they did so they did not answer the trust the Church whereto they are related reposed in them for it was set upon their hearts as an incumbent point of duty to Christ and his Churches to make Demand of the Lords prisoners in the name of the Lord Jesus whom you and your powers have so unchristianly and indeed with worse than Roman Tyranny rent and torn from the Churches so that if they made a petition to you I am silent and shall say no more as I said before B.C. One of the Twelve I shall lay open the whole state of the businesse for we are intrusted with a Message from our Society and did but according to our trust make the Demand and bear our Testimony and made no request at all to you but when you said our Brother Rogers suffered as an evil-doer we said then why do you not make it appear and you said you would on Friday or Tuesday and this was all O.P. Well! Who sayes it is more who sayes you Petitioned I told you he suffered as an evill doer as a Railer as a Seducer Ro. But your words are not proofs my Lord but yet seeing my way is more clear now I shall say somewhat more there is no law of God nor yet of man that makes me such an Offender But yours which is worse than the Roman Law and Tyranny that makes a man a * See their Ordinance for Treason Traitor for words O.P. Who cals you a Traitor I call you not see I believe you speak many things according to the Gospel but you suffer for evil-doing Ro. The Gospel of the Kingdome may occasionable be so accounted and judged for as Christ our Saviour saith I came not to send peace but the sword the doctrine of Christ by the powers of the world hath ever been reputed sedition railing lying and speaking evill of dignities O.P. I grieve that you call this the gospel for every one is ready to come and say this is the gospel with words in their mouths and say this is the meaning of the Scripture but there wants the power of godlinesse for Christ and his Disciples will not speak evill of no man Ro. Yea they did speak against sinners as sinners which is no evill speaking But who made you the Judge of the Scriptures my bord what ever you say it shall never appear I trust to the Saints or unbyased discerning men that I suffer as an evill doer what ever you say or suppose I can make it appear it is an essential Fundamental Principle of Faith which is now under Persecution What the testimony is they suffer in and for which we suffer viz. The Kingly Office of Christ and those that deny that truth for in which we suffer are indeed Hereticks and not we It is true this present testimony for Christs Kingly Interest hath two parts viz. The Positive and the Privative now for the last it is we suffer and not for evil-doing O.P. Why who will hinder you Preaching the Gospel of Christ yea How knows be that for he hears him not preach his Personal Raign who will hinder you speak of high Nations but you do not preach the gospel to build up souls in Christ Ro. I know my Lord that you are a Sophister * With that the Officers and them present scoffed some gnashed with their teeth at the Prisoner and so it seems for a part of the truth we may preach but not the whole not the Gospel of the kingdom preached for a Witnesse as Mat. 24.14 to witnesse against the crying sins of men in power or out of power for that seems to strike at your Interest too much O.P. Why what interest is mine Ro. A worldly interest which God will destroy O.P. Ha! and do you judge me Ro. Yea by the word of the Lord in the maj●sty might strength power vigour life and Authority of the Holy Ghost I can do and dare Judge you and your actions 1 Cor. 2. The spiritual man jugdeth all things whilest he himself is judged of no man Besides I am called by the Holy Ghost which hath appointed me to preach the Gospel to judge sins O.P. And who will hinder you to preach the Gospel or to do so speak against Sin as much as you will Ro. You do from preaching that part of the Gospel which decries the publike sins of the times or of men in Powers Armies c. neither is it as you say a rayling lying or speaking evill of dignities for the word rayling in Jude 9. is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 now this is no blasphemy to speak the truth or against evils nor is it railing to call a man as he is to call a drunkard a drunkard is no rayling to call a Whore-master What sort of informers will serve against 5th Monarchy-men a Whore-master is no rayling to call a Thief a Thief to call an Apostate an Apostate is no rayling but to call one so that is not so is rayling O.P. To call an honest man a thief is rayling to call an honest man a Whore-master is rayling though I do know you have truths of Christ in you yet I will prove you suffer for rayling lying and as a raiser of sedition and I told them that I would have you sent * He said there was no such word in his Speech but see it p. 13. It is some satisfaction if a Common-wealth must perish that it perish by men and not by the hands of persons speaking of the plotters differing little from beasts for to satisfie them Ro. If that you say can be made to appear it is fit I should suffer but as Reygnold said Nihil