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A93044 Truth prevailing against the fiercest opposition being a vindication of Dr. Russel's True narrative of the Portsmouth disputation ... Also, a sermon upon Mat. 28. 19. by Mr. John Williams ... As also An answer to the Presbyterian dialogue, by another hand / published by Mr. John Sharp ... who was moderator at the disputation in Portsmouth. Sharp, John, of Froome, Somersetshire.; Williams, John, minister. 1700 (1700) Wing S3005; ESTC R217599 120,924 184

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the Root when the Father was gone 3. I deny that there were more of the Gentiles grafted in than did believe it were strange that the natural Branches should be broken off because of Unbelief and that unbelieving Gentiles should be grafted in What difference is there between an unbelieving Jew and an unbelieving Gentile that the one must be accounted a Church-member and not the other That there were none but Believers grafted in is evident for they had their standing by faith ver 20. They were broken off through Vnbelief and thou standest by Faith 4. I deny that the believing Gentile is the Root he himself is but a Branch the Root and the Branch are two things ver 15. Thou bearest not the Root but the Root thee 5. I deny that the Children of the Gentiles are the holy Branches ver 16. they are the natural Branches that are the holy Branches the Children of the Jews and not the Children of the Gentiles ver 15. for if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world what shall their receiving be but life from the dead that is the Jews Here is an intimation of their return that God will have a time to call them again and renders this as the Reason ver 16. For if the Root be holy so are the Branches This respects the Children of the Jews not considered as such but such of them as shall in time believe and so be grafted in again ver 23. and they also if they abide not still in unbelief shall be grafted in again for God is able to graft them in There is no foundation in this Chapter for Childrens Church-membership That Children are not Church-members will farther appear if we consider the matter of a Gospel-Church 1. They are not Members of a particular instituted Church the matter of such a Church is visible Saints such as are inherently holy in the Judgment of Charity This appears first by the Titles that are given them in the Epistles that were sent to them they are stiled Saints such as were sanctified in Christ Jesus called to be Saints 1 Cor. 1. 2. he Church of the Thessalonians are stiled Such as were in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ 1 Thess 1. 1. Secondly it appears by the improvement that is made by each individual Member Your Faith groweth exceedingly and the love of every one of you aboundeth one towards another 2 Thess 1. 3. This is not applicable to Children in an Infant-state and yet it 's applicable to the whole Church not only as it 's collectively considered but as it 's distributively considered Phil. 1. 6. I am perswaded that he that hath begun a good work in you will not cease to perfect the same unto the coming of Christ as it is meet for me to think so of you all 2. They are not Members of the universal visible Church that also is made up of visible Saints 1 Cor. 12. 13. By one Spirit are ye all baptized into one Body and made to drink into one Spirit whether Jew or Gentile A Jew that before was born a Church-member is not now to be owned as such unless in the Judgment of Charity he be new-born Eph. 4. 4. There is one Body and one Spirit even as ye are called in one hope of your Calling one Faith one Baptism one God and Father of all And to every one of us is given Grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ This one Body is the universal visible Church and it 's made up of such as are called in one hope of their Calling and each individual Member hath in the Judgment of Charity a measure of Grace here is then no room for Children to stand Members that are not called in this one Hope that have not as yet a measure of Grace bestowed on them Object But some may say The Children of Believers were Church-members under the legal Dispensation To this I answer First The Question is not what they were but what they are the Children of Unbelievers were then Church-members as well as Believers all the Children of the Jews were Church-members and we must bewray our ignorance if we will say that all the Jews were Believers Unbelievers were then Church-members as well as Believers You believe not saith Christ because ye are not my Sheep as I said unto you and yet they were Church-members Will you argue that the Children of such who do not believe are church-Church-members now or that such as do not believe are now church-Church-members because they were such then Secondly The Constitution of the Church is now altered as I said before from national to congregational the matter whereof is visible Saints and the form mutual Consent neither of which are Children in an infant-Infant-state capable of Thirdly We may not now take our measures from the rules of that Dispensation any more for Members than for Ordinances and for Officers the Laws of the Dispensation being changed there being a change of the Priesthood there is made also of necessity a change of the Law Heb. 7. 12. Fourthly I deny Church-membership to be the ground of Baptism that is that Church-membership which Children once had or that any Person that stood a Member of that Church-state was ever baptized considered as such the Pharisees that came to John to be baptized and were denied Mat. 3. 7. were Church-members The Partition-wall was not then broken down the national Constitution was not then changed all the Jews were Church-members when Christ and John baptized yet they were not baptized considered as such but as discipled unto Christ John 4. 1. Baptism is administred antecedent to our being formed Members of a particular instituted Church Acts 2. 41. they were first discipled secondly baptized thirdly added unto the Church therefore Membership in a particular Church can't be the ground thereof because it 's subsequent thereunto and tho it be granted that the Subjects of Baptism are Members of the universal visible Church as being discipled unto Christ yet it is upon the profession of their faith that they were and still ought to be baptized and under no other Consideration Acts 8. 38. If thou believest with all thy heart thou maist Object 6. If Baptism came in the room of Circumcision then Children may and ought to be baptized but Baptism came in the room of Circumcision therefore Children may and ought to be baptized That Baptism came in the room of Circumcision appears Col. 2. 11 12. they are there put one for another To this I answer 1. I deny that Baptism came in the room of Circumcision If Baptism and Circumcision stood together several years by the Ordinance of God then Baptism did not come in the room of Circumcision but Baptism and Circumcision stood together several years by the Ordinance of God therefore Baptism did not come in the room of Circumcision Circumcision stood of divine appointment till Christ was offered up If a Jew had been