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A94218 An anti-diatribe: or The apologie of some ministers and godly people, asserting the lawfulnesse of their administring the Lords Supper in a select company proving also the necessity of examination in our congregations, in order to a more holy church-fellowship. Wherein a paper is answered, bearing this title, viz, A diatribe concerning the administration of the Eucharist and examination thereunto precedent. Together, with a vindication of the Lords Supper from its manifest abuse by a general admission; being an answer to Mr. Humphrey. By Humphrey Saunders Minister of Hollesworthy in Devon. Saunders, Humphrey.; Manton, Thomas, 1620-1677. 1655 (1655) Wing S746A; ESTC R229794 95,185 240

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and_o the_o word_n of_o chrysostome_n let_v we_o keep_v away_o all_o without_o exception_n that_o we_o see_v to_o come_v unworthy_o these_o and_o many_o more_o we_o may_v represent_v viz._n all_o former_a attempt_n this_o way_n fall_v to_o the_o ground_n malignant_n and_o neuter_n make_v to_o rejoice_v at_o our_o confusion_n grieve_v the_o godly_a in_o communion_n who_o though_o they_o dare_v not_o rash_o separate_v from_o a_o church_n yet_o desire_v a_o difference_v by_o censure_n in_o it_o thus_o not_o of_o late_a but_o of_o old_a 23._o laurentius_n humphredus_fw-la de_fw-la religionis_fw-la conservatione_fw-la &_o confirmatione_fw-la vera_fw-la ad_fw-la nobil_n clem._n &_o populum_fw-la anglicanum_n p._n 23._o we_o shall_v present_v but_o one_o or_o two_o of_o former_a time_n one_o of_o good_a learning_n and_o good_a esteem_n write_v thus_o from_o abroad_o of_o the_o church_n where_o he_o be_v i_o can_v wonder_v enough_o say_v he_o or_o grieve_v enough_o when_o i_o perceive_v in_o these_o place_n church-discipline_n to_o be_v reject_v and_o to_o be_v either_o none_o or_o too_o loose_a or_o not_o vigilant_o administer_v where_o yet_o else_o a_o true_a image_n of_o religion_n be_v see_v as_o if_o the_o gospel_n can_v be_v where_o man_n live_v not_o evangelical_o 132._o interea_fw-la non_fw-la desperandum_fw-la libenter_fw-la esse_fw-la fateor_fw-la dabit_fw-la posterior_n aetas_fw-la tractabiliores_fw-la fortè_fw-la animas_fw-la mitiora_fw-la pectora_fw-la quàm_fw-la nostra_fw-la habent_fw-la secula_fw-la aret._n probl._n p._n 132._o thus_o he_o aretius_n live_v in_o such_o evil_a time_n as_o we_o be_v wherein_o man_n be_v impatient_a of_o any_o restraint_n or_o censure_n as_o to_o church-fellowship_n comfort_v himself_o with_o hope_n of_o better_a day_n last_o the_o want_n of_o make_v some_o separation_n as_o to_o the_o lord_n table_n have_v give_v occasion_n to_o such_o as_o have_v absolute_o forsake_v our_o congregation_n 2_o mr._n cotton_n bloody_a tenent_n 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