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A42386 A brief examination of the present Roman Catholick faith contained in Pope Pius his new creed, by the Scriptures, antient fathers and their own modern writers, in answer to a letter desiring satisfaction concerning the visibility of the protestant church and religion in all ages, especially before Luther's time. Gardiner, Samuel, 1619 or 20-1686. 1689 (1689) Wing G244; ESTC R29489 119,057 129

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torment_v in_o the_o fiery_a flame_n of_o purgatory_n the_o same_o father_n in_o another_o place_n have_v these_o word_n genesin_n hom._n 5._o in_o genesin_n he_o that_o in_o this_o present_a life_n shall_v not_o wash_v away_o his_o sin_n shall_v find_v no_o consolation_n hereafter_o this_o be_v the_o time_n of_o combat_v that_o of_o crowning_z i_o shall_v only_o add_v what_o he_o write_v in_o his_o second_o homily_n upon_o lazarus_n quote_v by_o bellarmin_n when_o we_o be_v depart_v hence_o it_o be_v not_o in_o our_o power_n to_o repent_v or_o to_o wash_v away_o the_o sin_n we_o have_v commit_v 36._o v._o cyril_n alexand_n in_o joan._n lib._n 12._o c._n 36._o thus_o we_o have_v see_v that_o the_o greek_a father_n in_o the_o first_o age_n of_o the_o church_n be_v not_o of_o the_o present_a roman_a faith_n as_o to_o this_o new_a article_n of_o purgatory_n i_o may_v descend_v low_a be_v it_o not_o needless_a for_o it_o be_v confess_v by_o some_o of_o the_o romish_a writer_n 572._o v._o polyd._n virg._n de_fw-fr invent_v rerum_fw-la lib._n 8._o c._n 1._o alph._n de_fw-fr castro_n c._n 8._o p._n 572._o particular_o roffensis_n the_o pope_n martyr_n in_o henry_n viii_o his_o day_n that_o in_o the_o ancient_a father_n especial_o the_o greek_n there_o be_v either_o none_o or_o very_o rare_a mention_n of_o purgatory_n neither_o say_v he_o do_v the_o latin_a father_n all_o at_o once_o receive_v it_o neither_o do_v the_o greek_a church_n at_o this_o day_n believe_v it_o this_o concession_n be_v true_a for_o the_o greek_n in_o their_o print_a confession_n offer_v to_o the_o council_n of_o basil_n jeremy_n patriarch_n of_o constantinople_n 1438._o ann._n 1438._o in_o his_o censure_n of_o the_o lutheran_n confession_n and_o cyril_n patriarch_n of_o that_o church_n in_o his_o confession_n of_o faith_n send_v by_o he_o to_o cornelius_n hage_n ambassador_n for_o the_o state_n of_o holland_n at_o constantinople_n an._n 1630._o deny_v any_o purgation_n of_o sin_n after_o death_n 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origen_n purgatory_n be_v universal_a which_o all_o prophet_n apostle_n 6._o origen_n in_o exod._n hom._n 6._o the_o bless_a virgin_n must_v pass_v through_o not_o some_o only_a neither_o very_o good_a nor_o very_o bad_a but_o of_o a_o middle_a sort_n as_o romanist_n hold_v second_o the_o purgation_n saint_n basil_n gregory_n nyssen_n and_o other_o speak_v of_o be_v not_o before_o the_o resurrection_n lucam_n v._o origen_n in_o lib._n regum_fw-la p._n 36._o contra_fw-la celsum_fw-la lib._n 5._o p._n 241._o cyrilli_n catech._n l._n 15._o pag._n 168._o ego_fw-la puto_fw-la quod_fw-la &_o post_fw-la resurrectionem_fw-la ex_fw-la mortuis_fw-la indigeamus_fw-la sacramento_fw-la nos_fw-la eluente_fw-la &_o purgante_fw-la origen_n hom._n 14._o in_o lucam_n but_o at_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n by_o the_o fire_n of_o conflagration_n which_o shall_v purge_v as_o some_o think_v the_o whole_a creation_n so_o that_o at_o last_o all_o man_n even_o devil_n too_o shall_v be_v save_v as_o origen_n 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judgement_n tertullian_n take_v no_o notice_n of_o they_o in_o his_o five_o book_n against_o martion_n cap._n 6._o comment_v on_o that_o famous_a place_n 1_o cor._n 3._o he_o right_o understand_v the_o gold_n silver_n hay_o stubble_n not_o of_o sin_n venial_a or_o mortal_a but_o doctrine_n worthy_a or_o unworthy_a of_o the_o foundation_n i._n e._n christ_n or_o christian_a religion_n 〈◊〉_d strom_n 5._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d with_o who_o agree_v clemens_n of_o alex._n in_o his_o four_o book_n cap._n 34._o against_o martion_n as_o also_o de_n anima_fw-la cap._n 35.55_o he_o say_v the_o soul_n of_o all_o good_a christian_n be_v in_o abraham_n be_v bosom_n in_o refrigerio_fw-la a_o place_n of_o refreshment_n until_o the_o resurrection_n as_o many_o of_o the_o ancient_a father_n thought_n when_o they_o shall_v receive_v plenitudinem_fw-la mercedis_fw-la the_o fullness_n of_o their_o reward_n not_o as_o papist_n now_o teach_v any_o of_o they_o in_o purgatorian_a torment_n it_o be_v 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