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A77739	A confutation of the Anabaptists, and all others who affect not civill government; proving the lawfullnesse of it: and a full answer to all their cavills, that are, or can be made against it. With a nut-cracker for an unnaturall nut, whose shell is as hard as the scales of Leviathan, and the kernell of his heart as hard as a piece of the nether mill-stone, Iob 41.15.24. yet the hammer of Gods word that breaketh in pieces the rocks, Ier. 23.29. will break this nut, that all may see the devillish kernell that is in it. Also arguments against the Anabaptists, proving that infants borne of Christian parents ought to be baptized: with a full answer to all their cavills that are (or can be) made against it. Imprimatur Ja. Cranford.	Bakewell, Thomas, b. 1618 or 19.	1644 (1644)	Wing B530; Thomason E51_20; ESTC R209932	98,225	89

will allow them to be under a Christian Magistrate but not under an Infidell First whereas Whitgift saith ther were in the Primitive Church Seniors but it was before there was any Christian Prince or Magistrate Secondly and that God hath given the chiefe authority of government in the Church to to the Christian Magistrate Thirdly that if there were a Seniory established there could remaine no authority Ecclesiasticall to the Civil Magistrate I answer if the office of Seniors under a Tyrant had medled with any part of the office of the Magistrate then so much as they exercised of the office of the Magistrate so much should have ceased but the Elde●s are to assist the Pastor in matters Ecclesiasticall onely and not in Civil therfore it ought to be in times of peace aswel as in times of persecution and if a Tyrant-Magistrate could suffer them it is evident that they did not offend against his office Secondly there were Seniors among the Jewes under godly Kings and in times of peace then why may it not be so among Christians Thirdly the Ecclesiastical power is distinct from the Civil both in the subject object and end so that the one doth not h●nder the other the Magistrates power is to punish the outward man with outward punishment which the Presb●tery cannot hinder and he may civilly bind whom the Presbitery spiritually looseth and he may civilly loose whom the Presbitery spiritually bindeth Lastly the Magistrate seeks not the repentance and salvation of the delinquent by his punishment as the Presbitery doth be only seeks to maintain the authority of his Lawes and the qui●●nes and preservation of the Common-wealth so that a delinquent by repentance cannot escape the Civil Magistrate Fourthly the Magistrate cannot determine questions of faith nor know what order and decency in circumstances is fittest for each Congregation neither can he excommunicate offenders for when the Prelates exercised Ecclesiasticall Jurisdiction and civil also they did wrong both to the Prince and also to the Presbitery Fiftly when Presbiters are established in their full power there remaines much power to the Prince even in things Ecclesiasticall as to take diligent heed to the whole State of the Church within his Dominions to indict Synods and civilly to proceed in the same to ratifie the constitutions thereof to adde unto them the strength of a civil power to punish heretiques and all that disobey the assemblies of the Church to see that no matter Ecclesiasticall be carried factiously or rashly but that such things be determined in free assemblies to provide for Schollars Colledges and Churches that all corrupt wayes of entring into the ministery by Simony bribing or otherwise be represted and lastly to compel all men to doe their duty according to the word of God and the lawes of the Church So then the civil Magistrate is to leave untouched that power which belongs to the Ecclesiasticall rulers as the ministers of the Gospel ruling Elders and Deacons for Ecclesiastical doe not hinder the Civil in their administration Sixtly is it so that Prelates exclaime against Presbiteriall government let us retort their exclamation back upon their own-heads as Elishah did in another case saying it is thou and thy Fathers house that troubled Israel So I say it is the Prelacy not the Presbitery that is prejudiciall to the power of Princes and hath often encroached upon the same as for example the Bishops assembled in the 8. councell of Constantinople ordained that Bishops should not light from their horses when they chanced to meet Princes nor basely bow before them and if any Prince should cause a Bishop to disparage himselfe by doing otherwise he should be excommunicated for two years Canon 14. And in the same councel Canon 17. they also discharged Princes from being present in any Synod except the Occumenick so much for answer to Whitgift Now for Saraviah who alloweth such Elders as the Jewish Church had to be joyned now with Pastors under a Christian Magistrate but not under an Infidell Magistrate but this man takes the Jewish Elders to be their Magistrates and so he affirmes that none but Christian Magistr●tes ought to sit with the Ministers of the Word in Ecclesiasticall Courts as Princes and Nobles in generall or Nationall Councels and that Magistrates of Cities should sit in particular Consistories but this is as foule an errour as that of Wh●gift for you see a plaine distinction between the power Ecclesiasticall and the Civill both in the subject object and end as I shewed before and that the one is not to touch or to meddle with the office of the other Now if the Christian Magistrate by vertue of his civill power should sit in Spirituall Courts this would make a mixture and confusion of civill and Ecclesiasticall Functions and again he contradicteth himselfe saying that he admitteth grave and godly men in the Judicatories of the Church although they be not Magistrates but private men Again there have been Christian Churches under Infidell Princes but here I leave these two men as Ephraim against Manasseh Manasseh against Ephraim and both against Iudah so Whitgift against Saravia and Saravia against Whitgift and both against the truth Now suppose the Cavaliers at Oxford should step forth and say that the Presbiteriall government is worse then the high Commission or the Spanish Inquisition see Diurnal Feb. 22. 1643. I answer it is but the testimony of prophane Papists and blaspheming perjured Traytors both to Church and State and therefore I leave them as not worthy to be answered But suppose they should seek to comply with our independant people and tell them that the King will grant them a free toleration if they wiladhere to him to oppose Presbiteriall government I answer it hath cast an ill savour upon independant government and makes it to relish basely with Gods people But what if the independant people themselves shall take upon them to examine the Presbiteriall government and present their examination to the King and both Houses of Parliament and tell them boldly that all learned men have granted that the Churches constituted by the Apostles were all independant bodies but the man cannot produce any of these learned men and therefore the case is doubtfull besides it were a hard case if neither Scotland France Holland and many other places where the Presbiteriall government is or hath been could not yeeld a learned man this man I suppose to be either a Cobler or a Button-maker or some such prime Scholler and yet be takes upon him to examine the learning of all the reformed Churches but wil you be pleased to see his learned exposition of some texes of Scripture such as these The Kingdome of God is at hand that is saith he a particular Congregation is at hand Math. 3.2 And to be fellow Citizens with the Saints and of the houshold of God this saith he is meant of a paiticular Congregation Ephes 2.19 And for the Queen to stand on

A Confutation of the ANABAPTISTS AND All others who affect not Civill Government Proving the lawfulnesse of it and a full Answer to all their Cavills that are or can be made against it WITH A Nut-cracker for an unnaturall Nut whose Shell is as hard as the Scales of Leviathan and the kernell of his heart as hard as a piece of the nether Mill-stone Iob 41.15.24 yet the hammer of Gods Word that breaketh in pieces the Rocks Ier. 23.29 will break this Nut that all may see the devillish kernell that is in it Also Arguments against the Anabaptists proving that Infants borne of Christian Parents ought to be Baptized With a full Answer to all their Cavills that are or can be made against it Imprimatur Ja. Cranford And thou Ezra after the wisedome of thy God that is in thine hand set Magistrates and Iudges which may Iudge all the people that are beyond the River and whosoever will not doe the Law of thy God and the Law of the King let Iudgement be executed speedily upon him whether it bee unto death or unto banishment or confiscation of goods or to imprisonment Ezra 7.25 26. Put them in mind to be subject to Principalities and powers to obey Magistrates to be ready to every good work Titus 3.1 They sent them Peter and John who when they were come prayed for them that they might receive the holy Ghost for as yet he was faln upon none of them onely they were baptized in the Name of the Lord Iesus Acts 8.15 16. Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized every one of you and ye shall receive the gift of the holy Ghost for the promise is unto you and to your children Acts 2.38 39. LONDON Printed by M. O. for T. Bankes and are to be sold in Black Friars 〈…〉 To the Reader Christian Reader THE maine cause that moved me to undertake this Worke is this many faithfull Christians and loyall Subjects are blamed to be enemies to Civill government as also my selfe bearing a part of that reproach with them now to cleare both my selfe and others in these divided and distracted times J thought it not amisse to discover them and to make them knowne who they be that despise dominion and speake evill of dignities Jude 8. that faithfull Christians and loyall subjects may not be blamed who are subject to Principalities and Powers and willing to obey Magistrates and ready to every good work Titus 3.1 2. Who every day that passeth over their heads put up prayers and supplications intercessions and giving of thanks at the Throne of grace for Kings and all in authority that we may live a quiet and peaceable life in all godlinesse and honestie 1 Tim. 2.12 And as for mee God forbid that I should sinne against the Lord in ceasing to pray for them 1 Samuel 12.23 Tet Gods people were alwayes blamed to be enemies to civill authoritie Ahab said to Elijah Art not thou he that troubleth Israel 1 Kings 18.17 And saith Haman that great Courtier There is a certaine people scattered and disperced among thy people in all the Provinces of thy Kingdome and their Lawes are divers from all people neither keep they the Kings Laws Esther 3.8 Nay further this Court-flatterer so prevailed with the King to get Letters sealed with the Kings seale to destroy to kill and cause to perish all Jewes both young and old little children and women in one day even upon the thirteenth day of the twelfth Moneth which is the Moneth Adar and to take the spoyle of them for a prey Verse 13. And it was told the King saying Daniel one of the captivity of the children of Judah regardeth not thee O King nor the decree that thou hast signed and so was cast into the Denne of Lions but in the morning the King comes to the mouth of the Donne and calls Daniel to which hee answered O King live for ever my God hath sent his Angel and hath shut the Lions mouths that they have not hurt me for as much as before him Innocencie was found in me and against thee O King have I done no hurt Daniel 6.13.20.21.22 And Paul was accused to be a pestilent fellow and a mover of sedition but when the tryall came neither against the Law of the Iewes nor against the Temple nor against Caesar had he offended any thing at all Acts 24. ● 25.8 Nay further they said of Christ himselfe to Pilate If thou let this man goe thou art not Caesars friend for he speaketh against Caesar Iohn 19.12 Yet Christ although he was a true heire to the Crown and Kingdome of the Iewes shewed himselfe loyall to Civill Government saying Render to Caesar the things that are Caesars and to God the things that are Gods Matthew 22.21 And hee payed tribute to avoyd offence Matthew 17.26 27. although an heire to the Crowne and free from Tribute Thus in all ages both all the faithfull and Christ himselfe was blamed to bee enemies to civill government And now I come to our own age witnesse those three Worthies and faithfull servants of Iesus Christ who pleading for God and the King and declaring how those Traiterous Prelates did intrench upon the Kings prerogative in many particulars these men venturing lives and states and all outward comforts through a tender affection they had to their Prince as not being able to indure to see the wrong done to him and be silent and yet for speaking and declaring those Traytors they were punished altogether although they did expresse such Loyalty that I think their examples are not to be parallel'd witnesse that renowned Doctor Bastwick who laboured to maintaine the honour and dignity and prerogative Royall of our Soveraigne Lord the King saying Let the King live for ever Had I a thousand lives I should think them all too little to spen● for his Majesties Royall Prerogative and had I as much bloud in my veines as would swell the Thames I would shed it every drop in this cause And then wishing the people not to bee discouraged nor daunted at the Prelates power but bid them labour to preserve innocencie and keep peace within and goe on in the strength of your God and hee will never faile you in such a day as this Then saith he as I said before so I say again had I as many lives as I have haire● upon my head or drops of bloud in my veines I would give them up all for this Cause Yet all this could not free them from sufferings although Mordecai had saved the Kings life from the hands of Traytors yet no honour is done to Mordecai But the Lord hath all these things upon the File and in his due time he will cause the King to read the the Chronicles to finde out that which Mordecai hath done and requite it Esther 6.1 For behold thy servants are ready to doe whatsoever my Lord the King shall appoint 2 Samuel 15.15 Not as men-pleasers but as the servants

in the Kingdome of their Father Math. 13.41 42 43. Then wars shall cease when there shal be none in that Kingdome that offends but these offenders must be in the Church till the very judgement day at the end of the world The Angels which are the Reapers shall take out those tares that did offend and cast them into hell fire then shall the second Adam restore to the Saints all the creatures in their first perfection after that they are purified by fire at that day the Saints shall inherit all things and not before For the first Adam by sin brought vanity and corruption upon all the creatures but at that day the creatures shal be purified and purged from their vanity and corruption and then restored to the Saints alone so they shall remain for ever for the Second Adam wil restore againe to the Saints all that they lost and not as they are now corrupted cloathed with vanity For the new heavens and the new earth which I will make shall remain before me saith the Lord Isa 66.22 Of that Kingdome there shal be no end Luke 1.33 Now because the Church shal be pestered with many enemies till the day of judgement the sword of the Magistrate is necessary to keep down the seditious stirs of unquiet men which trouble all Kingdomes with violent oppressions and hainous evill doings then Magistrates ought to defend them that are troubled and to preserve the lawes discipline with purity which is the only means to regulate such wicked men to better obedience shall Theeves that rob a few be punished and shall they suffer whole Countreys to be spoiled with robberies so then the chiefe Magistrate is not only to suppresse private injuries with judiciall punishments but also must defend with war the Dominions committed to his charge against any forraign invasion whatsoever and such wars by the testimony of Scripture in many places are lawfull Thirteenthly they object that in the new Testament is neither witnesse nor example which teacheth that war is a thing lawfull for Christians I answer the same rule that was to the Jewes remaines still for Christians and there can be no cause to the contrary why Magistrates should not now defend Christians aswel as they did the Jewes Secondly we should not look for a full declaration of these things in the writings of the Apostles for their purpose was not to frame a Civill State but to establish and to settle the spirituall Kingdome of Christ Thirdly if Christ had intended that wars should end at his comming he would have said to those Souldiers which demanded of him saying what shall we doe Luke 3.14 I say his answer would have been this cast away your weapons and utterly withdraw your selves from war but he shewes no dislike of their being Souldiers only he counsels theat to be content with thear wages and to doe violence to no man yet by the way I approve not of every light-occasion to be ground sufficient to goe to wars unlesse they be driven to it by extreathe necessity For as Cicero a heathen man said our going to war should tend to peace for war should be sought onely when no other meanes will procure peace Lastly they ought not to goe to warre upon any private affection but as they are sensible of some injury dōe to their Kingdome which they are charged to keepe in peace for if any private affection should move them for wars they abuse the power committed to them which was not given them for their owne Commodity but for their Kingdomes benefit thus they may use Garrisons and Fortifications to defend the borders of their Countries and if any trouble arise they may joyne their Forces together to suppresse the common Enemy which would spoile their Kingdome which they are charged to keepe in peace and safety The Apostle compares the fight of faith that spirituall combate the child of God 〈…〉 corruptions to the bodily fight with open enemies to the Church of Christs which shewes the lawfulnesse of wars undertaken by Christians for defence of their Religion now the good souldier must give himselfe wholly to it and strive lawfully and he shall be crowned 2 Tim. 3 4 5. And we read of rare Christians that were Souldiers the Centurion had souldiers under him and yet he had such a saith the like was not found in Israel Mat. 8.9.10 And Cornelius was a devout man and a Captain of the Italian Band and he had devout souldiers under him Acts 10.1.2.7 And Paul was guarded by a Band of souldiers Acts 23.23.24 We read that Gog and Magog will compasse the Campe of the Saints Revel 20.8.9 But what shall not this Camp of Saints resist them I saw the Beast and the Kings of the Earth and their Armies gathered together to make war against him that sate on the horse marke and against his Army and the Beast was taken Revel 19.19.20 But what was this done without any fight did this Army of Christians and this Camp of Saints stand all for cyphers You shall see Ierusalem compassed about with Armies Luke 22.20 And there shall be warres for all these things must come to passe Mar. 24.6 It is spoken indefinitely that if one King goe to war with another they ought to withstand him if they be able Luke 14.31 As we would doe against a thiefe and not suffer our house to be broken up Mat. 24.43 saith Christ I came to send fire on the earth it is already kindled Luke 12.49 I came not to send peace but a sword Mat. 10.34 Then he that hath no sword let him sell his garment and buy one Luke 22.36 And resist unto bloud Heb. 12.4 Then those that thinke their lives too deare for Christ and his Gospell are unworthy of either Mark 8.35 ill members both to Church and State Hence we may gather that if this be so then Tributes and Taxes are lawfull Revenues for Princes which they may chiefly imploy to sustaine their common charges of their Office and likewise use to their private Royalty and honour of their Princely state and dignity as wee may see by the examples of many holy Kings in Scripture which according to the State of their persons which they did beare were sumptuously maintained of the common charge and we read in Ezek. 48.21 That there was a very large portion of land assigned to the King c. Yet again Princes should remember that their treasure chambers are not so much their owne private coffers as the Treasuries of the whole People therfore saith Paul For this cause pay we tribute for they are Gods Ministers attending continually upon this very thing to execute wrath upon him that doth evill and he is the Minister of God to thee for good render therefore tribute to whom tribute is due Rom. 13. So then they may not prodigally waste and spoile what they are betrusted with for if they doe it is manifest wrong to the people nay it is no