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which_o apperteyn_v unto_o his_o own_o parish_n without_o he_o canon_n he_o this_o you_o add_v unto_o the_o canon_n and_o he_o nothing_o to_o do_v with_o he_o in_o it_o but_o as_o it_o seem_v the_o meaning_n of_o the_o canon_n be_v that_o if_o there_o be_v any_o weighty_a matter_n to_o be_v conclude_v for_o all_o the_o church_n in_o the_o nation_n than_o the_o bishop_n of_o every_o parish_n shall_v not_o enterprise_v any_o thing_n without_o call_v he_o to_o council_n now_o we_o see_v that_o the_o archbishop_n meddle_v with_o that_o which_o every_o bishop_n do_v in_o his_o own_o diocese_n and_o have_v his_o visitation_n for_o that_o purpose_n and_o will_v take_v any_o matter_n out_o of_o their_o hand_n conclude_v also_o of_o diverse_a matter_n never_o make_v the_o bishop_n once_o privy_a to_o his_o do_n io._n whitgifte_n if_o it_o be_v a_o false_a canon_n or_o false_o give_v to_o the_o apostle_n why_o do_v you_o use_v it_o as_o a_o proof_n i_o may_v ay_o unto_o you_o as_o you_o say_v before_o unto_o i_o have_v you_o such_o penury_n of_o proof_n that_o you_o be_v constrain_v to_o allege_v false_a canon_n if_o it_o be_v a_o canon_n of_o the_o council_n of_o antioch_n show_v what_o canon_n it_o be_v if_o it_o be_v within_o that_o council_n undouted_o it_o be_v the._n 9_o canon_n before_o by_o you_o allege_v and_o how_o much_o that_o prove_v your_o cause_n the_o very_a ignorant_a reader_n may_v judge_v but_o let_v we_o hear_v this_o canon_n be_v it_o true_a or_o false_a and_o consider_v your_o collection_n of_o it_o himself_o the_o canon_n allege_v against_o himself_o the_o word_n i_o have_v recite_v before_o but_o i_o will_v set_v they_o down_o again_o that_o your_o pithy_a reason_n reason_v altogether_o against_o yourself_o may_v appear_v the_o bishop_n of_o every_o nation_n or_o country_n must_v know_v who_o among_o they_o be_v chief_a who_o they_o ought_v to_o esteem_v 34._o can._n apost_n 34._o as_o their_o head_n and_o do_v nothing_o without_o his_o council_n 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that_o he_o write_v before_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr baptismo_fw-la speak_v of_o the_o anabaptiste_n say_v thus_o hyp_n critica_fw-la illorum_fw-la humilitas_fw-la illis_fw-la fatis_fw-la nota_fw-la &_o perspecta_fw-la est_fw-la qui_fw-la cum_fw-la his_fw-la aliquando_fw-la sermon_n contulerunt_fw-la quà m_fw-la scilicet_fw-la sit_fw-la illorum_fw-la oratio_fw-la omni_fw-la felle_fw-la amarulentior_fw-la their_o hypocritical_a humility_n be_v very_o well_o know_v to_o those_o which_o have_v have_v conference_n with_o they_o how_o that_o their_o talk_n be_v more_o bitter_a than_o gall_n and_o in_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr baptismo_fw-la he_o earnest_o protest_v that_o he_o never_o find_v any_o thing_n in_o they_o quà m_fw-la saturninam_fw-la quandam_fw-la &_o melan_n holicam_fw-la ingeniorum_fw-la contumaciam_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o in_o his_o book_n against_o baltasar_n he_o say_v that_o by_o dispraise_v and_o revyl_a other_o they_o seek_v to_o win_v credit_n unto_o themselves_o how_o this_o quality_n agree_v with_o some_o of_o our_o man_n and_o especial_o with_o the_o author_n of_o this_o reply_n i_o be_o content_a that_o other_o man_n judge_v if_o i_o myself_o have_v in_o write_v and_o in_o this_o defense_n speak_v something_o more_o sharpelie_o it_o must_v be_v impute_v to_o my_o infirmity_n and_o yet_o be_o i_o thereunto_o greatelie_o provoke_v but_o herein_o as_o in_o many_o other_o matter_n i_o submit_v myself_o to_o the_o judgement_n of_o those_o that_o have_v authority_n to_o judge_v and_o of_o those_o that_o be_v learned_a for_o i_o be_o content_a still_o to_o make_v this_o the_o foot_n of_o my_o song_n errare_fw-la possum_fw-la haereticus_fw-la esse_fw-la nolo_fw-la to_o those_o that_o be_v in_o authority_n i_o only_o speak_v as_o m._n zuinglius_fw-la do_v to_o the_o magistrate_n in_o his_o time_n upon_o the_o like_a occasion_n quòd_fw-la si_fw-la hoc_fw-la cuivis_fw-la hominum_fw-la impunè_fw-la facere_fw-la licebit_fw-la ecclesiast_fw-la in_o ecclesiast_fw-la ut_fw-la quae_fw-la privato_fw-la svae_fw-la rationis_fw-la consilio_fw-la adinuenit_fw-la in_fw-la vulgus_fw-la spergat_fw-la inconsulta_fw-la imò_fw-la resistente_fw-la etiam_fw-la universa_fw-la totius_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la authoritate_fw-la brevi_fw-la plus_fw-la errorum_fw-la quà m_fw-la fidelium_fw-la &_o christianorum_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la erit_fw-la cernere_fw-la if_o it_o be_v lawful_a for_o every_o man_n to_o publish_v abroad_o among_o the_o people_n those_o thing_n which_o he_o have_v devise_v of_o his_o own_o head_n before_o he_o have_v consult_v with_o the_o church_n nay_o against_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n in_o short_a time_n we_o shall_v see_v more_o error_n in_o the_o church_n than_o there_o be_v faithful_a man_n and_o christian_n and_o again_o si_fw-mi enim_fw-la boc_fw-la permittamus_fw-la ut_fw-la capitosus_fw-la cuique_fw-la &_o baptis_n lib._n de_fw-fr baptis_n malè_fw-la feriatus_fw-la bomo_fw-la mox_fw-la ut_fw-la nowm_fw-la aliquid_fw-la &_o insolens_fw-la animo_fw-la svo_fw-la concepit_fw-la etc._n etc._n if_o we_o suffer_v every_o hedie_n and_o brainless_a fellow_n so_o soon_o as_o he_o have_v conceyve_v any_o new_a thing_n in_o his_o mind_n to_o publish_v
murderer_n abulterer_n incestuous_a person_n and_o such_o like_a which_o god_n by_o his_o indiciall_a law_n have_v command_v to_o be_v put_v to_o death_n whereby_o he_o bind_v the_o civil_a magistrate_n to_o the_o observe_n of_o the_o judicial_a law_n of_o moses_n and_o condemn_v this_o state_n &_o government_n now_o use_v in_o this_o realm_n of_o england_n of_o manifest_a impiety_n pag._n 120._o 7_z he_o affirm_v that_o in_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n there_o be_v no_o drunkard_n nor_o whoremonger_n at_o the_o least_o which_o be_v know_v which_o assertion_n tend_v to_o anabaptisme_n pag._n 176._o 8_o he_o say_v that_o what_o socuer_v apparel_n the_o magistrate_n command_v the_o minister_n to_o wear_v the_o commandment_n can_v not_o be_v without_o some_o injury_n do_v to_o the_o minister_n which_o be_v to_o debar_v the_o magistrate_n from_o appoint_v any_o kind_n of_o apparel_n to_o minister_n pag._n 265._o 9_o he_o say_v that_o those_o ministery_n without_o the_o which_o the_o church_n be_v full_o build_v &_o bring_v to_o periection_n and_o complete_a unity_n be_v not_o to_o be_v retain_v in_o the_o church_n which_o be_v a_o very_a dangerous_a assertion_n and_o may_v give_v occasion_n of_o diverse_a error_n pag._n 307._o 10_o he_o hold_v that_o it_o be_v more_o safe_a for_o we_o to_o conforinc_fw-la our_o indifferent_a ceremonse_n to_o the_o turk_n which_o be_v far_o of_o than_o to_o the_o papist_n which_o be_v so_o near_o which_o can_v not_o be_v so_o for_o the_o turk_n utter_o deny_v chryst_n and_o be_v void_a of_o all_o christian_a ceremony_n pag._n 475._o 11_z he_o affirm_v that_o not_o only_o the_o dignity_n but_o also_o the_o be_v of_o the_o sacrament_n of_o baptism_n depend_v upon_o this_o whether_o he_o be_v a_o minister_n or_o no_o that_o do_v the_o minister_v it_o which_o if_o it_o be_v true_a then_o be_v there_o number_n not_o baptize_v that_o be_v suppose_v to_o be_v baptize_v &_o it_o must_v of_o necessity_n follow_v that_o they_o ought_v to_o be_v rebaptise_v which_o be_v plain_a anabaptisme_n pa._n 5_o 8._o 12_o he_o say_v that_o with_o what_o lawfulness_n man_n may_v offer_v themselves_o to_o the_o prayer_n and_o hear_n of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n they_o may_v also_o offer_v themselves_o to_o the_o lord_n supper_n which_o be_v a_o palpable_a error_n pag._n 532._o and_o pag._n 604._o he_o affirm_v direct_o to_o the_o contrary_n 13_o he_o deny_v that_o the_o church_n or_o any_o man_n may_v restrain_v the_o people_n from_o bodily_a labour_n in_o any_o of_o the_o six_o day_n which_o be_v to_o draw_v from_o the_o magistrate_n his_o lawful_a authority_n and_o to_o give_v carnal_a liberty_n to_o the_o people_n pag._n 541._o 14_o he_o say_v that_o the_o life_n of_o the_o sacrament_n depend_v of_o the_o preach_n of_o the_o word_n which_o if_o it_o be_v true_a then_o be_v the_o sacrament_n of_o baptism_n not_o to_o be_v minister_v to_o insant_n because_o they_o can_v not_o hear_v the_o word_n preach_v and_o indeed_o this_o be_v the_o ground_n of_o anabaptisme_n pag._n 566._o 15_o he_o doubt_v whither_o he_o may_v call_v he_o minister_v or_o no_o that_o can_v not_o preach_v which_o be_v join_v with_o his_o former_a assertion_n that_o the_o minister_n be_v of_o the_o be_v of_o the_o sacrament_n ▪_o it_o will_v fall_v out_o that_o he_o count_v all_o those_o not_o baptize_v which_o have_v be_v baptize_v by_o any_o other_o than_o by_o preacher_n pag._n 568_o and._n 583._o 16_o he_o seem_v to_o be_v of_o this_o judgement_n that_o only_o those_o which_o be_v of_o the_o family_n of_o god_n ought_v to_o be_v baptize_v which_o be_v a_o dangerous_a error_n for_o not_o all_o that_o be_v baptize_v be_v of_o the_o family_n of_o god_n pag._n 621._o 17_o he_o seclude_v the_o child_n of_o excommunicate_a person_n and_o of_o process_v papist_n from_o the_o sacrament_n of_o baptism_n until_o they_o be_v able_a to_o make_v a_o confession_n of_o their_o faith_n which_o smell_v very_o strong_o of_o anabaptisme_n and_o it_o be_v a_o manifest_a error_n pag._n 622._o 18_o he_o say_v that_o prince_n must_v remember_v to_o subject_n themselves_o unto_o the_o church_n to_o submit_v their_o sceptre_n to_o throw_v down_o their_o crown_n before_o the_o church_n and_o to_o lick_v the_o dust_n of_o the_o foot_z of_o the_o church_n and_o by_o the_o church_n he_o mean_v the_o presbytery_n and_o eldership_n so_o that_o he_o will_v have_v prince_n in_o as_o great_a bondage_n to_o his_o senior_n as_o ever_o they_o be_v to_o the_o pope_n pag._n 645._o 19_o he_o say_v pag._n 646._o that_o the_o government_n of_o the_o common_a wealth_n must_v be_v frame_v according_a to_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n even_o as_o the_o hang_n to_o the_o house_n and_o he_o affirm_v that_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n be_v aristocratical_a or_o popular_fw-la and_o therefore_o his_o opinion_n must_v needs_o be_v that_o no_o government_n of_o any_o common_a wealth_n ought_v to_o be_v monarchical_a but_o either_o aristocratical_a or_o popular_fw-la which_o be_v a_o dangerous_a error_n and_o spring_v of_o this_o that_o he_o do_v not_o distinguish_v betwixt_o the_o essential_a point_n of_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n and_o the_o accidental_a point_n of_o the_o same_o for_o the_o essential_a point_n of_o ecclesiastical_a government_n may_v well_o agree_v with_o any_o lawful_a state_n of_o common_a wealth_n and_o civil_a kind_n of_o government_n as_o the_o gospel_n may_v be_v true_o preach_v in_o they_o all_o the_o sacrament_n right_o minister_v discipline_n due_o erecute_v and_o such_o like_a but_o the_o accidental_a point_n of_o government_n as_o the_o manner_n of_o elect_a minister_n the_o kind_n of_o discipline_n accidental_a ceremony_n and_o other_o such_o like_a rite_n and_o circumstance_n may_v be_v vary_v according_a to_o time_n place_n and_o person_n and_o be_v so_o to_o be_v frame_v as_o they_o may_v best_o agree_v with_o the_o state_n and_o government_n of_o every_o common_a wealth_n the_o ignorance_n of_o this_o distinction_n have_v cast_v t._n c._n into_o a_o great_a and_o perilous_a error_n 20_o he_o both_o join_v with_o the_o papist_n in_o take_v from_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n authority_n in_o ecclesiastical_a matter_n and_o also_o in_o confirm_v that_o error_n by_o their_o argument_n and_o none_o other_o pag._n 694._o etc._n etc._n 21_o he_o affirm_v that_o the_o read_n of_o the_o scripture_n without_o the_o preach_n can_v deliver_v so_o much_o as_o one_o poor_a sheep_n from_o destruction_n etc._n etc._n wherein_o he_o be_v also_o contrary_a to_o himself_o pag._n 784._o ¶_o a_o note_n of_o certain_a untruth_n and_o falfy_v authority_n contain_v in_o the_o reply_n of_o t._n c._n and_o be_v to_o be_v find_v out_o in_o this_o book_n according_a to_o the_o quotation_n he_o say_v that_o it_o appear_v in_o the_o eight_o chapter_n of_o the_o book_n of_o nehemias_n that_o the_o test_v of_o tabernacle_n which_o be_v command_v of_o the_o lord_n to_o be_v celebrate_v every_o year_n be_v not_o celebrate_v from_o the_o day_n of_o josua_n the_o son_n of_o nun_n until_o the_o return_n of_o the_o people_n from_o their_o captivity_n which_o be_v a_o manifest_a untruth_n as_o it_o be_v evident_a 1._o esdr._n 3._o and_o it_o be_v also_o against_o the_o opinion_n of_o all_o the_o interpreter_n pag._n 8._o 2_o josias_n be_v allege_v for_o ezechias_n pag._n 10._o 3_o this_o word_n especial_o be_v add_v to_o the_o text_n 1._o cor._n 10_o pag._n 86._o 4_z he_o oppose_v ignatius_n and_o tertullian_n to_o ambrose_n and_o augustine_n as_o though_o ambrose_n &_o augustine_n shall_v think_v it_o to_o be_v lawful_a to_o fast_v on_o the_o lord_n day_n &_o the_o other_o two_o thould_v write_v the_o contrary_a whereas_o ambrose_n and_o augustine_n full_o agree_v with_o ignatius_n and_o tertullian_n in_o that_o matter_n pag._n 99_o 5_z he_o mangle_v s._n augustine_n word_n both_o before_o behind_o and_o in_o the_o midst_v pag._n 107._o 6_o pag._n 144._o he_o falsifi_v the_o word_n of_o s._n paul_n 1._o tim._n 3._o and_o untrue_o translate_v they_o 7_z he_o say_v that_o the_o israelite_n when_o they_o worship_v the_o calf_n say_v that_o they_o will_v keep_v holy_a day_n to_o the_o lord_n jehova_n which_o be_v not_o true_a pag._n 151._o 8_o he_o cit_v a_o place_n out_o of_o justinians_n code_n which_o can_v as_o yet_o be_v find_v there_o neither_o do_v he_o faithful_o report_n but_o subtle_o suppress_v the_o word_n which_o explain_v the_o matter_n as_o they_o be_v set_v down_o by_o illyricus_n of_o who_o he_o borrow_v they_o pag._n 184._o 9_o he_o say_v that_o platina_n write_v that_o lodowik_n the_o second_o command_v the_o roman_n to_o choose_v their_o own_o bishop_n which_o be_v not_o true_a for_o he_o only_o commend_v they_o for_o so_o do_v he_o do_v not_o
great_o suspect_v the_o slanderous_a report_n of_o the_o backbiter_n and_o of_o the_o unlearned_a tongue_n the_o one_o because_o he_o love_v to_o speak_v evil_a and_o hear_v evil_a of_o all_o those_o that_o be_v not_o in_o all_o point_n inclinable_a to_o his_o fancy_n whereof_o i_o have_v great_a experience_n be_v myself_o most_o unjust_o sclaunder_v by_o that_o viperous_a kind_n of_o man_n the_o other_o because_o they_o be_v not_o able_a to_o judge_v of_o controversy_n according_a to_o learning_n and_o knowledge_n and_o therefore_o be_v rule_v by_o affection_n and_o carry_v headlong_o with_o blind_a zeal_n into_o diverse_a sinister_a judgement_n and_o erroneous_a opinion_n last_o because_o i_o know_v sundry_a in_o all_o respect_n worthy_a man_n much_o more_o able_a to_o deal_v in_o such_o matter_n than_o i_o be_o but_o when_o i_o consider_v my_o duty_n towards_o god_n to_o his_o church_n and_o to_o our_o most_o gracious_a lady_n and_o sovereign_a elizabeth_n her_o majesty_n by_o who_o 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you_o be_v able_a to_o withstand_v for_o the_o same_o god_n that_o have_v call_v he_o to_o the_o one_o place_n to_o plant_v his_o true_a religion_n there_o have_v also_o call_v he_o to_o the_o other_o that_o he_o may_v do_v the_o like_a even_o as_o he_o do_v the_o apostle_n prophet_n and_o evangelist_n and_o pastor_n also_o who_o have_v be_v even_o immediate_o after_o the_o apostle_n time_n transfer_v from_o one_o place_n to_o another_o for_o the_o great_a commodity_n of_o the_o church_n neither_o can_v it_o be_v prove_v that_o any_o man_n shall_v be_v so_o tie_v to_o one_o place_n that_o he_o may_v not_o be_v transfer_v to_o another_o to_o profit_v more_o it_o be_v true_a that_o the_o devil_n most_o grevous_o assault_v those_o which_o have_v embrace_v the_o truth_n because_o now_o they_o be_v become_v his_o profess_a enemy_n &_o open_o withstand_v he_o but_o they_o be_v sufficient_o arm_v with_o faith_n and_o with_o y_z e_z word_n of_o god_n so_o that_o although_o they_o be_v tempt_v 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19_o luke_n 19_o come_v to_o seek_v that_o which_o be_v lose_v and_o the_o parable_n of_o the_o lose_a groat_n and_o of_o the_o prodigal_a 15._o luke_n 15._o son_n do_v with_o might_n &_o main_a overthrow_n your_o say_n so_o do_v the_o whole_a deal_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o the_o whole_a course_n of_o the_o scripture_n chap._n 1._o the._n 12._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 49._o sect._n 2._o for_o we_o know_v that_o after_o that_o the_o devil_n perceyve_v that_o man_n be_v pull_v out_o of_o the_o power_n of_o darkness_n into_o the_o glorious_a light_n of_o the_o gospel_n he_o sweat_v and_o labour_v by_o a_o thousand_o mean_n to_o destroy_v they_o and_o bestir_v himself_o more_o then_o than_o in_o the_o time_n of_o their_o ignorance_n and_o in_o stead_n of_o that_o one_o chain_n of_o ignorance_n and_o want_v of_o the_o knowledge_n of_o god_n he_o lay_v a_o thousand_o trap_n for_o they_o to_o snare_v they_o with_o so_o that_o the_o continual_a danger_n that_o the_o church_n be_v in_o do_v as_o it_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v speak_v unto_o the_o pastor_n in_o the_o common_a proverb_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d that_o be_v look_v diligent_o to_o that_o charge_n which_o thou_o have_v receyve_v for_o if_o the_o watcheman_n shall_v forsake_v the_o city_n where_o unto_o he_o be_v appoint_v and_o go_v and_o watch_v in_o another_o where_o he_o be_v not_o call_v although_o he_o save_v that_o if_o he_o lose_v the_o other_o he_o shall_v not_o therefore_o escape_v the_o punishment_n of_o betray_v the_o other_o city_n ▪_o where_o he_o be_v place_v watchman_n io_o whitgifte_n so_o it_o be_v but_o all_o the_o devil_n in_o hell_n can_v not_o prevail_v against_o they_o therefore_o say_v s._n paul_n to_o the_o ephe._n cap._n 6._o put_v on_o the_o whole_a armour_n of_o god_n that_o you_o may_v be_v able_a to_o 6._o eph._n 6._o resist_v the_o evil_a day_n etc._n etc._n every_o christian_a be_v in_o this_o case_n yea_o the_o pastor_n himself_o but_o wot_v you_o what_o christ_n say_v joh._n 10._o my_o sheep_n hear_v by_o voice_n and_o no_o man_n shall_v take_v they_o 3_o joh._n 10._o chrysost._n in_o 3._o colos._n colos._n 3_o out_o of_o my_o hand_n the_o scripture_n as_o chrysostome_n say_v be_v continual_a schoolmaster_n and_o he_o that_o have_v understanding_n may_v therein_o learn_v how_o to_o withstand_v satan_n and_o all_o his_o assault_n and_o therefore_o say_v the_o apostle_n to_o the_o coll._n 3._o let_v the_o word_n of_o god_n dwell_v in_o you_o abundant_o in_o all_o wisdom_n teach_v and_o admonish_v your_o own_o self_n in_o psalm_n and_o hymn_n etc._n etc._n if_o the_o watcheman_n have_v sufficient_o admonish_v the_o city_n and_o have_v minister_v weapon_n unto_o they_o bring_v they_o out_o of_o the_o bondage_n of_o their_o enemy_n and_o leave_v some_o other_o behind_o he_o to_o supply_v the_o rest_n and_o then_o go_v to_o another_o city_n to_o deliver_v it_o also_o from_o the_o like_a slavery_n if_o in_o the_o mean_a time_n the_o former_a city_n be_v lose_v or_o revolt_v which_o be_v not_o like_a their_o blood_n be_v upon_o themselves_o the_o watchman_n have_v do_v his_o duty_n when_o io_n s_n have_v tell_v niniveh_n her_o offence_n &_o show_v his_o message_n for_o the_o which_o he_o be_v send_v ▪_o the_o preacher_n be_v call_v thither_o where_o he_o may_v do_v most_o good_a ▪_o be_v there_o any_o more_o require_v of_o he_o moreover_o i_o be_o persuade_v that_o wheresoever_o the_o preacher_n may_v do_v most_o good_a thither_o be_v he_o call_v of_o god_n neither_o be_v this_o to_o forsake_v his_o station_n but_o to_o follow_v his_o call_n and_o to_o do_v good_a chap._n 1._o the._n 13._o division_n t._n c._n page_n 49._o
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senior_n 〈◊〉_d the_o gistrate_n o_o his_o authoriti_n in_o ecclesiastical_a matter_n here_o appoint_v unto_o senior_n in_o so_o weighty_a a_o matter_n in_o my_o judgement_n you_o shall_v have_v do_v well_o to_o have_v use_v some_o authority_n of_o scripture_n or_o other_o ancient_a writer_n the_o admonition_n say_v that_o the_o office_n of_o senior_n be_v to_o govern_v the_o church_n with_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o minister_n to_o consult_v to_o admo_fw-la sh_n to_o correct_v &_o to_o order_v all_o thing_n appertain_a to_o the_o state_n of_o the_o congregation_n which_o if_o it_o be_v true_a i_o pray_v you_o what_o authority_n remain_v to_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n in_o ecclesiastical_a and_o church_n matter_n in_o d_o ede_fw-mi if_o you_o make_v such_o a_o distinction_n betwixt_o the_o church_n &_o
not_o follow_v that_o it_o shall_v be_v your_o signiory_n which_o you_o will_v have_v in_o every_o congregation_n to_o consist_v of_o the_o pastor_n and_o some_o other_o of_o his_o parish_n but_o rather_o such_o as_o chrysostome_n call_v prelate_n and_o precedent_n which_o be_v bishop_n matth._n hom._n 61._o in_o matth._n &_o such_o other_o chief_a governor_n but_o be_v it_o that_o this_o place_n admit_v y_o e_o same_o sense_n that_o you_o will_v have_v it_o to_o do_v yet_o do_v i_o answer_v you_o as_o m._n musculus_fw-la answer_v y_o e_o papist_n object_v these_o word_n in_o effect_n to_o the_o same_o end_n that_o you_o do_v that_o be_v to_o spoil_v the_o christian_a magistrate_n of_o his_o authority_n in_o ecclesiastical_a matter_n obijciunt_fw-la illud_fw-la christi_fw-la dic_fw-la they_o musc._n tit_n de_fw-fr magist._n in_o lo._n they_o ecclesiae_fw-la et_fw-la si_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la non_fw-la audierit_fw-la sit_fw-la tibi_fw-la velut_fw-la ethnicus_fw-la &_o publicanus_fw-la 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magistrate_n as_o he_o also_o do_v when_o he_o say_v if_o thy_o brother_n 5._o matth._n 5._o trespass_n against_o thou_o etc._n etc._n leave_v thy_o offering_n before_o the_o altar_n etc._n etc._n and_o to_o this_o do_v m._n caluin_n agree_v in_o his_o harmony_n expound_v y_o e_o same_o place_n and_o sure_o as_o of_o this_o place_n you_o may_v not_o conclude_v that_o in_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n there_o ought_v to_o be_v such_o offering_n and_o altar_n so_o may_v you_o not_o on_o the_o other_o place_n conclude_v that_o there_o ought_v always_o to_o be_v senior_n nay_o much_o less_o this_o than_o the_o other_o for_o this_o be_v doubtful_a and_o the_o other_o be_v plain_a chap._n 2._o the._n 5._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 141._o lin._n 11._o &_o sect._n 1._o 2._o 3._o 4._o furthermore_o s._n paul_n have_v entreat_v throughout_o y_o e_o whole_a first_o epistle_n to_o timothy_n of_o y_z e_z order_n which_o ought_v to_o be_v in_o y_fw-fr e_fw-la church_n of_o god_n &_o of_o the_o government_n as_o himself_o witness_v in_o the_o hird_n 6._o 1._o tim._n 6._o chapter_n of_o that_o epistle_n when_o he_o say_v he_o write_v that_o epistle_n to_o teach_v timothy_n how_o he_o shall_v behave_v himself_o in_o the_o house_n of_o god_n and_o have_v set_v forth_o both_o bishop_n &_o elder_a and_o deacon_n as_o minister_n and_o officer_n of_o the_o church_n in_o the_o shut_n up_o of_o his_o epistle_n he_o for_o the_o observation_n of_o all_o the_o order_n of_o that_o epistle_n adjure_v timothy_n &_o with_o the_o invocation_n of_o the_o name_n of_o god_n straight_o charge_v he_o to_o observe_v those_o thing_n which_o he_o have_v prescribe_v in_o that_o epistle_n i_o charge_v thou_o say_v he_o before_o god_n which_o quickn_o the_o all_o thing_n and_o before_o jesus_n christ_n which_o witness_v under_o pontius_n pilate_n a_o good_a profession_n that_o thou_o keep_v this_o commandment_n without_o spot_n or_o blemish_n until_o the_o appear_a of_o our_o lord_n jesus_n christ._n the_o weight_n of_o which_o sentence_n for_o the_o observe_n of_o those_o thing_n which_o be_v mention_v in_o this_o epistle_n that_o it_o may_v be_v the_o better_o understand_v i_o will_v note_v the_o word_n several_o first_o therefore_o it_o be_v to_o be_v note_v that_o he_o say_v i_o denounceor_n i_o charge_v he_o do_v not_o say_v i_o exhort_v or_o give_v counsel_n leave_v it_o to_o the_o liberty_n of_o timothy_n secondary_o it_o be_v to_o be_v note_v that_o he_o call_v declare_v call_v this_o can_v be_v true_a as_o shall_v be_v declare_v the_o whole_a epistle_n a_o commandment_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v no_o permission_n so_o that_o it_o may_v be_v lawful_a for_o the_o church_n to_o leave_v it_o or_o to_o keep_v it_o three_o when_o he_o make_v mention_n of_o e_o living_n god_n &_o of_o christ_n which_o witness_v a_o good_a profession_n under_o pontius_n pilate_n he_o show_v that_o the_o thing_n contain_v in_o this_o epistl_n be_v such_o as_o for_o the_o maintenance_n thereof_o 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the_o time_n of_o peace_n or_o to_o the_o time_n of_o christian_n prince_n but_o even_o until_o the_o come_n or_o appear_v of_o our_o savioure_n christ_n which_o be_v as_o long_o as_o the_o world_n last_v and_o therefore_o i_o conclude_v that_o the_o signor_n or_o elder_n of_o the_o church_n be_v a_o part_n of_o that_o order_n and_o government_n of_o the_o church_n which_o s._n paul_n appoint_v in_o this_o epistle_n be_v necessary_a perpetual_a and_o by_o no_o mean_n to_o be_v change_v io._n whitgifte_n all_o this_o be_v but_o to_o blind_v y_z e_z eye_n of_o the_o reader_n be_v indeed_o without_o all_o pith_n &_o gr_n und_fw-ge command_v the_o office_n of_o senior_n not_o mention_v in_o the._n 1._o tim._n much_o less_o command_v for_o first_o where_o have_v the_o apostle_n in_o all_o that_o epistle_n speak_v one_o
senior_n therefore_o this_o reason_n of_o you_o be_v no_o reason_n at_o all_o but_o make_v direct_o against_o you_o if_o it_o be_v well_o consider_v chap._n 2._o the._n 9_o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 142._o sect._n 3._o 4._o again_o if_o s._n paul_n do_v charge_v the_o persecute_v and_o therefore_o poor_a church_n with_o the_o find_n and_o provide_v for_o the_o senior_n in_o every_o church_n as_o it_o appear_v in_o y_z t_z epistle_n to_o timothy_n where_o 5._o 1._o epistle_n 5._o he_o say_v that_o elder_n which_o rule_v well_o be_v worthy_a double_a honour_n whereby_o he_o signify_v a_o plentiful_a reward_n and_o such_o as_o may_v be_v full_o sufficient_a for_o they_o and_o their_o household_n as_o when_o he_o bid_v that_o the_o widow_n which_o serve_v the_o church_n in_o attend_v upon_o the_o sick_a and_o upon_o the_o stranger_n shall_v be_v honour_v that_o be_v have_v that_o wherewith_o she_o may_v honest_o and_o sober_o live_v if_o i_o say_v s._n paul_n will_v charge_v the_o church_n then_o with_o mainteyn_v the_o elder_n which_o be_v poor_a be_v they_o the_o question_n be_v not_o of_o the_o abilirie_n to_o find_v seni_fw-la over_o but_o of_o the_o necesti_fw-la ie_fw-fr of_o ha_o ing_z they_o not_o sometime_o able_a to_o live_v without_o some_o relief_n from_o the_o church_n because_o they_o be_v compel_v oftentimes_o to_o leave_v their_o own_o affair_n to_o wait_v of_o the_o affair_n of_o the_o church_n how_o much_o more_o ought_v there_o now_o to_o be_v senior_n when_o the_o church_n be_v in_o peace_n and_o therefore_o not_o so_o poor_a &_o when_o there_o may_v be_v choose_v such_o for_o the_o most_o part_n throughout_o the_o real_a e_o as_z be_v able_a to_o live_v without_o charge_v the_o church_n any_o whit_n as_o the_o practice_n of_o these_o day_n do_v manifest_o declare_v and_o if_o s._n paul_n that_o be_v so_o desirous_a to_o have_v the_o gospel_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d that_o be_v free_a and_o without_o charge_n as_o much_o as_o be_v possible_a and_o soloth_n to_o lay_v any_o burden_n upon_o the_o church_n especial_o those_o which_o be_v poor_a do_v notwithstanding_o enjoin_v the_o maintenance_n of_o the_o elder_n unto_o the_o church_n poor_a and_o persecute_v how_o much_o more_o shall_v we_o think_v that_o his_o mind_n be_v that_o the_o church_n which_o live_v in_o peace_n and_o be_v rich_a and_o may_v have_v this_o office_n without_o charge_n aught_o to_o receive_v this_o order_n of_o ancient_n io._n whitgifte_n this_o be_v a_o poor_a and_o feeble_a reason_n the_o church_n find_v senior_n in_o the_o time_n of_o persecution_n ergo_fw-la there_o ought_v rather_o to_o be_v senior_n under_o a_o christian_a prince_n than_o in_o the_o time_n of_o persecution_n or_o this_o the_o church_n be_v now_o better_a able_a to_o find_v senior_n ergo_fw-la it_o ought_v now_o rather_o to_o be_v govern_v by_o senior_n you_o may_v make_v the_o same_o reason_n also_o for_o widow_n and_o diaconiss_n and_o as_o well_o induce_v the_o necessity_n of_o they_o but_o we_o ask_v not_o what_o the_o church_n be_v able_a to_o do_v then_o or_o what_o it_o be_v able_a to_o do_v now_o but_o whether_o the_o same_o government_n ought_v to_o be_v now_o that_o be_v then_o and_o whether_o a_o christian_a magistrate_n have_v no_o more_o authority_n in_o the_o government_n of_o y_fw-fr e_o church_n now_o than_o the_o heathenish_a and_o persecute_v magistrate_n have_v then_o although_o if_o you_o consider_v the_o ability_n of_o some_o parish_n and_o the_o unwillingness_n of_o other_o some_o you_o shall_v find_v that_o they_o be_v hardly_o able_a or_o willing_a to_o find_v a_o fit_a pastor_n much_o less_o will_v they_o be_v able_a or_o willing_a to_o find_v a_o number_n of_o senior_n besides_o their_o pastor_n the_o place_n of_o s._n paul_n 1_o tim._n 5._o be_v untrue_o allege_v for_o your_o purpose_n for_o the_o apostle_n mean_v of_o the_o minister_n in_o every_o congregation_n and_o not_o of_o any_o number_n of_o senior_n as_o i_o 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that_o belearned_a know_fw-mi that_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n which_o be_v in_o the_o apostle_n time_n be_v partly_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o people_n that_o have_v to_o do_v in_o the_o election_n &_o other_o thing_n popular_a partly_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o pastor_n and_o ancient_n aristocratical_a that_o be_v the_o rule_n of_o the_o best_a i_o say_v they_o know_v that_o these_o governmente_n do_v easy_o decline_v into_o their_o contrary_n and_o by_o reason_n thereof_o both_o the_o government_n of_o those_o which_o be_v most_o virtuous_a may_v easy_o be_v change_v into_o the_o government_n of_o few_o of_o the_o rich_a or_o of_o great_a power_n and_o the_o popular_a estate_n may_v easy_o pass_v to_o a_o confuse_a tumult_n now_o this_o incommoditie_n be_v they_o more_o subject_a unto_o under_o a_o tyrant_n than_o under_o a_o godly_a prince_n for_o they_o have_v no_o civil_a magistrate_n which_o may_v correct_v and_o reform_v those_o declining_n when_o they_o happen_v 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you_o yourself_o confess_v that_o the_o pastor_n be_v the_o chief_a of_o the_o signiory_n which_o ought_v not_o to_o be_v if_o the_o state_n be_v either_o popular_a or_o aristocratical_a of_o the_o universal_a church_n only_a christ_n be_v the_o head_n and_o chief_a and_o therefore_o the_o state_n of_o it_o be_v monarchical_a but_o of_o the_o state_n and_o kind_a of_o government_n of_o 8._o tract_n 8._o the_o church_n in_o every_o kingdom_n or_o province_n i_o have_v particular_o and_o at_o large_a speak_v in_o the_o treatise_n of_o archbishop_n i_o shall_v not_o need_v to_o will_v the_o reader_n once_o again_o to_o mark_v how_o you_o bend_v your_o force_n against_o a_o monarchy_n for_o your_o principle_n be_v that_o the_o government_n of_o the_o common_a wealth_n monarchy_n c._n t._n bend_v his_o force_n against_o a_o monarchy_n must_v be_v frame_v according_a to_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n and_o therefore_o it_o may_v not_o be_v a_o kingdom_n but_o rather_o a_o popular_a 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person_n that_o be_v call_v to_o a_o lawful_a and_o a_o public_a function_n as_o he_o do_v upon_o saul_n yet_o do_v he_o not_o always_o so_o god_n do_v not_o of_o necessity_n tie_v his_o grace_n to_o mean_n god_n bestoa_o w_v his_o gift_n by_o mean_n office_n for_o as_o he_o in_o the_o begin_n of_o his_o church_n miraculous_o bestow_v his_o gift_n so_o do_v he_o now_o leave_v the_o same_o by_o outward_a mean_n in_o part_n to_o be_v obtain_v as_o by_o education_n learning_n instruction_n read_v studying_z etc._n etc._n which_o mean_v be_v neglect_v god_n do_v of_o his_o justice_n permit_v evil_a magistrate_n and_o officer_n which_o he_o also_o sometime_o do_v for_o the_o offence_n of_o the_o people_n as_o may_v be_v see_v in_o the_o most_o part_n of_o the_o king_n of_o juda_n and_o of_o jerusalem_n and_o almost_o in_o all_o christian_n prince_n and_o governor_n under_o the_o pope_n tyranny_n for_o i_o suppose_v you_o mean_v such_o gift_n as_o be_v profitable_a for_o the_o church_n sure_o if_o this_o be_v true_a that_o you_o here_o so_o bold_o without_o proof_n affirm_v than_o shall_v it_o not_o much_o skill_n what_o kind_n of_o man_n be_v choose_v to_o be_v either_o pastor_n or_o magistrate_n for_o howsoever_o they_o be_v before_o furnish_v with_o gift_n yet_o when_o they_o be_v once_o ply_v the_o absurdity_n of_o the_o r_o ply_v call_v god_n will_v miraculous_o pour_v upon_o they_o gift_n necessary_a though_o they_o be_v the_o rude_a and_o ignorant_a man_n in_o a_o whole_a country_n be_v not_o this_o to_o boast_v of_o the_o spirit_n as_o the_o anabaptist_n do_v but_o i_o think_v the_o reader_n understand_v that_o god_n now_o work_v by_o ord_n narie_a mean_n not_o by_o miracle_n and_o though_o it_o be_v certain_a that_o god_n do_v endue_v magistrate_n such_o as_o fear_v he_o with_o singular_a gift_n yet_o do_v he_o it_o by_o mean_n as_o be_v say_v and_o it_o be_v not_o at_o all_o time_n so_o nor_o in_o all_o person_n but_o when_o where_o and_o in_o who_o it_o please_v he_o therefore_o to_o ground_n any_o general_a doctrine_n upon_o singular_a example_n or_o to_o establish_v a_o external_a kind_n of_o government_n upon_o god_n inward_a and_o secret_a work_n to_o bind_v god_n unto_o that_o of_o necessity_n that_o he_o do_v bestow_v of_o grace_n and_o mercy_n to_o make_v that_o common_a to_o all_o which_o he_o of_o his_o infinite_a wisdom_n bestow_v upon_o some_o be_v not_o the_o part_n of_o a_o skilful_a divine_a but_o to_o let_v all_o this_o pass_n you_o do_v still_o petere_fw-la principium_fw-la and_o take_v that_o as_o grant_v which_o you_o can_v prove_v that_o be_v that_o the_o office_n of_o senior_n be_v a_o office_n establish_v in_o the_o church_n by_o the_o commandment_n of_o god_n and_o not_o to_o be_v alter_v which_o i_o for_o my_o part_n can_v never_o grant_v unto_o you_o except_o you_o have_v more_o pithy_a reason_n to_o prove_v it_o than_o any_o that_o you_o have_v as_o yet_o utter_v chap._n 2._o the._n 17._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 144._o lin._n 26._o &_o sect._n 1._o 2._o it_o be_v true_a that_o we_o ought_v to_o be_v obedient_a unto_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n which_o govern_v the_o church_n of_o god_n in_o that_o office_n which_o be_v commit_v unto_o he_o and_o according_a to_o that_o call_n but_o it_o must_v be_v remember_v that_o 〈◊〉_d magistrate_n must_v govern_v it_o according_a to_o the_o rule_n of_o god_n prescribe_v in_o his_o word_n and_o that_o as_o they_o be_v nourise_n so_o they_o be_v servant_n unto_o the_o church_n and_o as_o they_o rule_v in_o the_o church_n so_o they_o must_v remember_v to_o subject_v themselves_o unto_o the_o church_n to_o submit_v their_o sceptre_n to_o throw_v down_o their_o crown_n before_o the_o church_n yea_o as_o the_o prophet_n speak_v to_o lick_v 49._o esay_n 49._o the_o dust_n of_o the_o foot_n of_o the_o church_n wherein_o i_o mean_v not_o that_o the_o church_n do_v either_o wring_v the_o sceptre_n out_o of_o prince_n hand_n or_o take_v their_o crown_n from_o their_o head_n or_o that_o it_o require_v prince_n to_o lick_v the_o dust_n of_o her_o foot_n as_o the_o pope_n under_o this_o pretence_n have_v do_v but_o i_o mean_v as_o the_o prophet_n mean_v that_o what_o soever_o magnificence_n or_o excellency_n or_o pomp_n be_v either_o in_o they_o or_o in_o their_o estate_n and_o common_a wealth_n which_o do_v not_o agree_v with_o the_o simplicity_n and_o in_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o world_n poor_a and_o contemptible_a estate_n of_o the_o church_n that_o that_o they_o will_v be_v content_a to_o lay_v down_o and_o here_o come_v to_o my_o mind_n that_o wherewith_o the_o world_n be_v now_o dec_fw-la ive_v and_o wherewith_o m._n doctor_n go_v about_o both_o to_o deceyve_v himself_o &_o other_o too_o in_o that_o he_o think_v that_o the_o church_n must_v be_v frame_v according_a to_o the_o common_a wealth_n and_o the_o church_n government_n according_a to_o the_o vill_a government_n doctrine_n government_n a_o dangerous_a doctrine_n which_o be_v as_o much_o to_o say_v as_o if_o a_o man_n shall_v fashion_v his_o house_n according_a to_o his_o hang_n when_o as_o indeed_o it_o be_v clean_o contrary_a that_o as_o the_o hang_n be_v make_v fit_a for_o the_o house_n so_o the_o common_a wealth_n must_v be_v make_v to_o agree_v with_o the_o church_n and_o the_o government_n thereof_o with_o her_o government_n for_o as_o the_o house_n be_v before_o the_o hang_n and_o therefore_o the_o hang_n which_o come_v after_o must_v be_v frame_v to_o the_o house_n which_o be_v before_o so_o the_o church_n be_v before_o there_o be_v y_o common_a wealth_n and_o the_o common_a wealth_n come_v after_o must_v be_v fashion_v and_o make_v suitable_a unto_o the_o church_n otherwise_o god_n be_v make_v to_o give_v place_n to_o man_n heaven_n to_o earth_n and_o religion_n be_v make_v as_o it_o be_v a_o rule_n of_o lesbian_n to_o be_v apply_v unto_o any_o estate_n of_o common_a wealth_n whatsoever_o see_v argument_n see_v an_fw-mi obscu_fw-mi e_o and_o deform_a argument_n that_o good_a man_n that_o be_v to_o say_v the_o church_n be_v as_o it_o be_v the_o foundation_n of_o the_o world_n it_o be_v meet_v that_o the_o common_a wealth_n which_o be_v build_v upon_o that_o foundation_n shall_v be_v frame_v according_a to_o the_o church_n and_o therefore_o those_o voice_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v hear_v this_o order_n will_v not_o agree_v with_o our_o common_a wealth_n that_o law_n of_o god_n be_v not_o for_o our_o state_n this_o form_n of_o government_n will_v not_o match_v with_o the_o policy_n of_o this_o realm_n io._n whitgifte_n these_o word_n will_v be_v well_o consider_v for_o they_o contain_v the_o overthrow_n of_o the_o reply_n the_o overthrow_n of_o the_o prince_n autho_fw-mi ritie_n contain_v in_o the_o reply_n princess_n authority_n both_o in_o ecclesiastical_a and_o civil_a matter_n but_o i_o will_v only_o give_v a_o brief_a note_n of_o they_o in_o this_o place_n mean_v to_o set_v forth_o this_o matter_n more_o at_o large_a elsewhere_o when_o he_o say_v that_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n must_v govern_v according_a to_o his_o call_n and_o according_a to_o the_o rule_n of_o god_n prescribe_v in_o his_o word_n etc._n etc._n although_o the_o word_n be_v true_a et_fw-fr if_o you_o mark_v upon_o what_o occasion_n they_o be_v speak_v you_o shall_v perceive_v the_o venom_n that_o lie_v hide_v under_o they_o for_o he_o do_v thereby_o insinuate_v that_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n may_v not_o intermeddle_v with_o the_o office_n of_o the_o senior_n that_o be_v with_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n for_o he_o take_v senior_n to_o be_v the_o officer_n appoint_v by_o god_n for_o that_o purpose_n which_o be_v to_o be_v reave_v the_o civil_a magistrate_n of_o his_o authority_n and_o to_o give_v that_o to_o senior_n which_o the_o pope_n under_o the_o like_a pretence_n do_v arrogate_v unto_o himself_o and_o therefore_o join_a will_v and_o true_o say_v m._n gualther_n in_o the_o place_n before_o recite_v those_o man_n mean_v such_o as_o gualther_n gualther_n call_v for_o senior_n when_o they_o have_v a_o christian_a magistrate_n do_v distinguish_v between_o the_o ecclesiastical_a and_o civil_a jurisdiction_n in_o respect_n of_o the_o punishment_n of_o sin_n and_o the_o discipline_n of_o manner_n but_o this_o distinction_n be_v take_v out_o of_o the_o pope_n shop_n and_o in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n it_o be_v not_o where_o to_o be_v find_v for_o there_o be_v the_o same_o reason_n of_o the_o magistrate_n in_o the_o new_a testament_n that_o be_v in_o time_n pass_v in_o the_o old_a for_o so_o much_o as_o christ_n have_v say_v that_o he_o come_v not_o to_o break_v the_o law_n but_o to_o fulfil_v it_o but_o in_o time_n past_o the_o judge_n and_o king_n have_v power_n to_o punish_v those_o that_o
offend_a neither_o do_v the_o priest_n or_o prophet_n thrust_v themselves_o into_o that_o business_n but_o so_o far_o forth_o as_o perteyn_v to_o admonition_n and_o reprehension_n which_o they_o apply_v out_o of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n according_a to_o the_o quality_n of_o the_o offence_n therefore_o the_o same_o must_v be_v observe_v in_o the_o new_a testament_n neither_o be_v it_o needful_a that_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n shall_v have_v a_o peculiar_a senate_n or_o that_o they_o shall_v challenge_v unto_o themselves_o by_o any_o mean_v those_o thing_n that_o belong_v to_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n m._n gualters_n meaning_n be_v that_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n can_v challenge_v the_o authority_n of_o pu_fw-fr sh_v vice_n otherwise_o than_o by_o admonition_n and_o reprehension_n that_o be_v that_o they_o can_v challenge_v this_o kind_n of_o government_n of_o a_o signiory_n by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n because_o all_o such_o authority_n be_v commit_v to_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n so_o that_o if_o bishop_n have_v it_o they_o must_v have_v it_o from_o he_o as_o it_o be_v in_o this_o church_n of_o england_n and_o therefore_o well_o say_v m_n gualther_n in_o the_o same_o place_n there_o may_v be_v appoint_v such_o as_o shall_v have_v the_o correction_n of_o manner_n in_o such_o country_n where_o the_o ordinary_a magistrate_n can_v do_v all_o themselves_o but_o those_o must_v be_v appoint_v by_o the_o magistrate_n and_o do_v all_o at_o his_o commandment_n and_o not_o usurp_v any_o distinct_a jurisdiction_n from_o the_o ordinary_a magistrate_n the_o second_o point_n to_o be_v note_v be_v when_o he_o say_v that_o christian_a prince_n must_v subject_n replyer_n the_o prince_n make_v subject_a to_o senior_n by_o the_o replyer_n themselves_o to_o the_o church_n submit_v their_o sceptre_n throw_v down_o their_o crown_n before_o the_o church_n etc._n etc._n the_o which_o kind_n of_o speech_n the_o pope_n himself_o use_v and_o under_o the_o same_o pretence_n have_v tread_v king_n under_o his_o foot_n and_o although_o t._n c._n seem_v to_o mislike_v this_o excessive_a use_v of_o authority_n by_o the_o pope_n yet_o will_v be_v have_v the_o same_o jurisdiction_n to_o remain_v to_o his_o senior_n his_o ill_a who_o be_v understand_v by_o the_o name_n of_o the_o church_n as_o appear_v in_o that_o which_o he_o speak_v before_o of_o these_o word_n of_o christ_n dic_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la so_o end_n pag._n 140._o in_o the_o latter_a end_n that_o he_o will_v have_v the_o prince_n subject_n herself_o to_o the_o senior_n of_o the_o church_n and_o throw_v down_o her_o crown_n before_o they_o that_o be_v to_o be_v con_fw-mi ent_v to_o be_v rule_v and_o govern_v to_o be_v punish_v and_o correct_v to_o be_v excommunicate_v and_o absolve_v by_o their_o discretion_n and_o at_o their_o pleasure_n this_o no_o doubt_n be_v his_o meaning_n neither_o can_v it_o otherwise_o be_v for_o if_o this_o kind_n of_o government_n be_v once_o admit_v the_o prince_n must_v needs_o be_v of_o some_o peculiar_a church_n and_o congregation_n and_o therefore_o subject_a to_o the_o signiory_n of_o that_o church_n except_o it_o please_v master_n pastor_n who_o be_v the_o chief_a and_o the_o rest_n of_o his_o neighbour_n the_o parishioner_n to_o elect_v the_o prince_n into_o the_o signiory_n and_o make_v he_o one_o of_o they_o and_o yet_o must_v the_o pastor_n be_v his_o superior_a and_o have_v authority_n to_o call_v he_o to_o consultation_n and_o to_o direct_v he_o in_o matter_n of_o discipline_n and_o whether_o he_o will_v or_o no_o he_o must_v be_v order_v and_o rule_v by_o the_o pastor_n and_o most_o part_n of_o the_o senior_n and_o yet_o now_o i_o remember_v myself_o the_o prince_n can_v be_v of_o the_o signiory_n for_o t._n c._n all_o ttle_o 1._o pa._n 146._o sect_n 1._o after_o grant_v that_o his_o senior_n be_v not_o lay_v man_n but_o ecclesiastic_a will_v so_o that_o indeed_o the_o prince_n must_v be_v a_o servant_n no_o master_n a_o subject_n no_o prince_n under_o government_n no_o governoure_n in_o matter_n perteyn_a to_o the_o church_n and_o lest_o any_o man_n shall_v think_v that_o this_o be_v but_o my_o collection_n though_o it_o be_v most_o gualther_n gualther_n true_a and_o i_o will_v justify_v it_o so_o to_o be_v i_o have_v she_o wed_v before_o that_o which_o m._n gualther_n affirm_v upon_o the._n 1._o cor._n 5._o as_o he_o also_o do_v upon_o the._n 12._o chapter_n of_o the_o same_o epistle_n say_v there_o be_v some_o which_o according_a to_o the_o example_n of_o the_o old_a and_o primitive_a church_n will_v have_v senior_n and_o a_o ecclesiastical_a senate_n that_o shall_v have_v authority_n over_o magistrate_n if_o they_o at_o any_o time_n do_v not_o their_o duty_n and_o in_o deed_n this_o be_v one_o of_o the_o chief_a cause_n why_o our_o man_n will_v so_o glad_o have_v a_o signiory_n for_o they_o will_v glad_o be_v in_o hand_n with_o magistrate_n to_o make_v they_o stoop_v and_o bow_v down_o unto_o they_o the_o three_o point_n be_v in_o this_o that_o he_o will_v have_v the_o government_n of_o the_o common_a wealth_n monarchte_n the_o replyer_n seek_v the_o verthrow_n of_o monarchte_n and_o the_o common_a wealth_n itself_o frame_v to_o the_o church_n and_o the_o government_n thereof_o as_o the_o hang_n be_v make_v fit_a for_o the_o house_n whereby_o as_o it_o may_v seem_v he_o will_v have_v all_o monarchy_n overthrow_v and_o reduce_v either_o to_o a_o popular_a or_o a_o aristocratical_a estate_n for_o these_o two_o kind_n of_o government_n he_o only_o allow_v of_o in_o the_o church_n as_o it_o appear_v by_o that_o which_o he_o have_v thereof_o oltener_n than_o once_o or_o twice_o speak_v before_o now_o the_o law_n of_o man_n will_v bear_v this_o i_o know_v not_o but_o i_o be_o well_o assure_v the_o 〈◊〉_d christ_n &_o the_o gospel_n o_o enin_n les_fw-fr so_o 〈◊〉_d law_n of_o god_n will_v not_o suffer_v it_o for_o christ_n come_v not_o to_o overthrow_v kind_n of_o government_n and_o civil_a policy_n neither_o do_v the_o gospel_n dissolve_v kingdom_n for_o s._n peter_n say_v 1._o epist._n 2._o proinde_fw-la subditiestote_fw-la cuivis_fw-la ordinationi_fw-la umanae_fw-la propter_fw-la dominum_fw-la sive_fw-la reg_n 1._o 2._o 1._o pet._n 2._o etc._n etc._n submit_v yourselves_o unto_o all_o manner_n ordinance_n of_o man_n for_o the_o lord_n sake_n whether_o it_o be_v unto_o the_o king_n as_o to_o the_o superior_a and_o so_o paul_n 1._o tim._n 2._o to_o the_o exhort_v he_o to_o pray_v for_o 2._o 1._o timo._n 2._o king_n which_o he_o will_v not_o have_v do_v if_o the_o state_n of_o a_o kingdom_n can_v not_o agree_v with_o the_o state_n of_o the_o church_n but_o i_o will_v not_o amplify_v this_o matter_n let_v such_o consider_v of_o it_o to_o who_o it_o do_v special_o perteine_a this_o be_v your_o reason_n to_o prove_v that_o the_o government_n of_o the_o common_a wealth_n aught_o to_o be_v frame_v according_a to_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n because_o 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worthy_a of_o double_a honour_n etc._n etc._n so_o that_o i_o marvel_v how_o any_o man_n can_v of_o those_o word_n conclude_v either_o such_o a_o signiory_n as_o now_o be_v division_n chap._n 1._o the._n 1._o division_n imagine_v or_o any_o perpetuity_n of_o it_o but_o of_o this_o place_n i_o have_v speak_v before_o second_o it_o be_v well_o know_v that_o the_o manner_n &_o form_n of_o government_n use_v in_o the_o apostle_n exercise_v 2._o the_o government_n in_o the_o apostle_n time_n can_v now_o be_v exercise_v time_n &_o express_v in_o the_o scripture_n neither_o be_v now_o nor_o can_v or_o aught_o to_o be_v observe_v either_o touch_v the_o person_n or_o the_o function_n for_o we_o have_v neither_o apostle_n prophet_n worker_n of_o miracle_n gift_n of_o heal_a diversity_n of_o tongue_n widow_n or_o such_o like_a all_o which_o perteyn_v to_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n in_o the_o apostle_n time_n and_o be_v part_n of_o it_o as_z appeareth_z â–ª_o 1._o cor._n 12._o eph._n 4._o 1._o tim._n 5._o and_o see_v that_o the_o church_n be_v not_o bind_v to_o this_o form_n so_o plain_o express_v in_o these_o place_n of_o scripture_n i_o see_v not_o how_o you_o can_v bind_v it_o to_o the_o self_n same_o form_n of_o government_n use_v in_o the_o apostle_n time_n three_o this_o word_n gubernationes_fw-la mention_v 1._o cor._n 12._o whereupon_o you_o will_v ground_v conjecture_n 3._o the_o word_n gubernationes_fw-la impli_v not_o the_o signiory_n but_o by_o conjecture_n your_o signiory_n may_v as_o some_o learned_a man_n think_v signify_v any_o kind_n of_o government_n cven_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n certain_a it_o be_v that_o only_o by_o mere_a conjecture_n it_o be_v draw_v to_o signify_v this_o new_a devise_a signiory_n &_o therefore_o can_v infer_v any_o necessary_a conclusion_n furthermore_o it_o be_v by_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n place_v among_o those_o function_n y_o it_o be_v temporal_a and_o by_o the_o judgement_n of_o all_o learned_a man_n cease_v for_o thus_o the_o apostle_n say_v deinde_fw-la potestates_fw-la deinde_fw-la dona_fw-la sanationum_fw-la opitulationes_fw-la gubernationes_fw-la genera_fw-la linguarum_fw-la now_o it_o be_v 12._o 1._o cor._n 12._o a_o very_a strange_a matter_n that_o all_o the_o rest_n shall_v be_v temporal_a and_o only_o gubernationes_fw-la perpetual_a sure_o i_o be_o that_o the_o argument_n which_o so_o conclude_v may_v easy_o be_v deny_v and_o by_o no_o probability_n prove_v four_o we_o see_v manifest_o that_o in_o sundry_a point_n the_o government_n of_o y_fw-fr e_o church_n alter_v 4._o the_o apostolical_a government_n have_v of_o necessity_n be_v alter_v use_v in_o the_o apostle_n time_n be_v and_o have_v be_v of_o necessity_n alter_v &_o that_o it_o neither_o may_v nor_o can_v be_v revoke_v whereby_o it_o be_v plain_a that_o any_o one_o certain_a form_n or_o kind_a of_o external_a government_n perpetual_o to_o be_v observe_v be_v not_o where_o in_o the_o scripture_n prescribe_v to_o the_o church_n but_o the_o charge_n thereof_o be_v leave_v to_o the_o christian_a magistrate_n so_o that_o nothing_o be_v do_v contrary_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n this_o be_v theopinion_n of_o the_o best_a writer_n neither_o do_v i_o know_v any_o learned_a man_n of_o a_o magist._n 5._o the_o general_a opinion_n of_o the_o best_a writer_n musculus_fw-la loc_fw-la com._n tit_n de_fw-fr magist._n contrary_a judgement_n m._n musculus_fw-la speak_v of_o those_o senior_n say_v that_o they_o be_v use_v in_o those_o church_n only_o that_o be_v destitute_a of_o christian_a magistrate_n which_o have_v the_o chiefty_a and_o power_n etc._n etc._n not_o only_o in_o profane_a but_o in_o divine_a matter_n and_o after_o answer_v a_o objection_n of_o 1._o cor._n 6._o he_o say_v that_o we_o must_v needs_o distinguish_v between_o the_o state_n of_o the_o church_n in_o those_o day_n and_o that_o whichis_n now_o i_o have_v before_o declare_v m._n gualters_n judgement_n of_o this_o matter_n in_o his_o commentary_n upon_o the._n 1._o cor._n 5._o and_o upon_o the._n 11._o chap_v cor._n gualther_n hom_n 56._o in_o 1._o cor._n speak_v general_o of_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n he_o say_v thus_o wherefore_o as_o concern_v the_o doctrine_n of_o faith_n and_o salvation_n we_o acknowledge_v no_o tradition_n of_o the_o apostle_n but_o those_o which_o be_v contain_v in_o the_o creed_n etc._n etc._n but_o as_o concern_v the_o external_a form_n of_o the_o church_n we_o deny_v not_o that_o they_o have_v teach_v every_o where_o many_o thing_n of_o the_o order_n of_o ecclesiastical_a assembly_n of_o the_o administration_n of_o sacrament_n and_o of_o the_o whole_a government_n of_o the_o church_n whereof_o because_o there_o can_v be_v one_o form_n in_o every_o place_n observe_v they_o do_v in_o such_o sort_n appoint_v they_o as_o they_o see_v to_o be_v requisite_a for_o the_o condition_n of_o any_o city_n or_o country_n and_o it_o be_v certain_a that_o the_o church_n in_o all_o age_n have_v use_v their_o liberty_n in_o these_o thing_n &_o therefore_o they_o be_v to_o injurious_a which_o at_o this_o day_n either_o under_o the_o name_n of_o the_o tradition_n of_o the_o apostle_n or_o for_o any_o other_o pretence_n go_v about_o to_o bind_v all_o church_n to_o one_o and_o the_o self_n same_o form_n and_o upon_o the._n 12._o chapter_n where_o he_o again_o speak_v of_o the_o signiory_n he_o idem_fw-la idem_fw-la say_v there_o be_v diverse_a which_o will_v needs_o institute_v elder_n or_o a_o ecclesiastical_a enate_n according_a to_o the_o example_n of_o the_o old_a &_o primitive_a church_n which_o also_o shall_v have_v authority_n over_o the_o magistrate_n themselves_o if_o at_o any_o time_n they_o do_v not_o their_o duty_n but_o it_o behove_v they_o first_o to_o show_v that_o those_o their_o senior_n have_v this_o power_n whereof_o paul_n do_v present_o speak_v which_o thing_n see_v it_o do_v by_o no_o mean_n appear_v and_o yet_o notwithstanding_o they_o deliver_v unto_o satan_n who_o they_o will_v they_o do_v like_a as_o if_o some_o will_v go_v about_o to_o cleanse_v the_o leprous_a raise_v the_o dead_a &_o work_v other_o miracle_n because_o these_o thing_n be_v usual_o do_v in_o the_o primitive_a church_n and_o y_o â—_o which_o he_o speak_v touch_v this_o matter_n also_o upon_o the._n 14._o chap_v of_z y_z e_z same_o epistle_n be_v not_o unworthy_a y_fw-fr e_z nothing_o whereof_o i_o have_v before_o make_v mention_n that_o their_o ambition_n idem_fw-la idem_fw-la be_v there_o reprove_v which_o go_v about_o to_o bring_v all_o church_n to_o the_o form_n of_o their_o discipline_n &_o government_n &_o cry_v out_o that_o there_o be_v no_o discipline_n there_o where_o all_o thing_n be_v not_o agreeable_a to_o their_o tradition_n &_o order_n but_o these_o man_n receive_v a_o just_a reward_n of_o their_o arrogancy_n when_o as_o they_o that_o come_v from_o they_o to_o other_o country_n do_v go_v
beyond_o all_o man_n in_o sauciness_n neither_o bring_v they_o any_o thing_n with_o they_o from_o home_n but_o a_o vain_a &_o intolerable_a contempt_n of_o all_o good_a man_n neither_o can_v they_o abide_v to_o be_v correct_v by_o any_o admonition_n of_o other_o m._n caluine_n speak_v of_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n instit._n cap._n 8._o sect._n 120._o say_v thus_o scimus_fw-la politiam_fw-la pro_fw-la varietate_fw-la temporum_fw-la recipere_fw-la imo_fw-la exigere_fw-la varias_fw-la mutationes_fw-la we_o know_v that_o the_o policy_n of_o the_o church_n do_v receive_v nay_o rather_o do_v require_v diverse_a alteration_n beza_n caluine_n beza_n m._n beza_n likewise_o lib._n confess_v cap._n 5._o sect._n 17_o be_v of_o the_o same_o mind_n touch_v the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n there_o be_v another_o cause_n of_o the_o ecclesiastical_a assembly_n that_o they_o may_v ordain_v canon_n of_o ecclesiastical_a discipline_n and_o that_o i_o may_v comprehend_v many_o thing_n in_o few_o word_n that_o they_o may_v appoint_v ecclesiastical_a policy_n for_o the_o diverse_a circumstance_n of_o time_n place_n and_o person_n for_o it_o be_v necessary_a all_o thing_n shall_v be_v do_v orderly_o in_o the_o house_n of_o god_n of_o the_o which_o order_n there_o be_v one_o general_a reason_n to_o be_v take_v out_o of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n but_o not_o one_o and_o the_o same_o form_n agreeable_a to_o all_o circumstance_n and_o section_n 32._o speak_v of_o this_o signiory_n he_o show_v that_o it_o be_v necessary_a in_o the_o church_n while_o there_o be_v no_o christian_a magistrate_n for_o so_o he_o write_v but_o there_o idem_fw-la idem_fw-la be_v elder_n choose_v by_o suffrage_n or_o at_o least_o by_o the_o approbation_n of_o the_o whole_a company_n as_o it_o be_v very_o evident_a out_o of_o ambrose_n which_o complain_v that_o certain_a man_n have_v transfer_v this_o authority_n to_o themselves_o and_o ut_fw-la of_o cyprian_a likewise_o by_o who_o we_o may_v also_o understand_v that_o the_o bishop_n do_v rule_v over_o the_o college_n of_o elder_n not_o that_o he_o shall_v there_o reign_v but_o that_o by_o their_o consent_n he_o may_v rule_v the_o policy_n of_o the_o church_n especial_o for_o so_o much_o as_o at_o that_o time_n the_o church_n of_o africa_n be_v not_o help_v of_o the_o magistrate_n but_o be_v rather_o cruel_o vex_v of_o they_o and_o sect._n 35._o speak_v general_o of_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n he_o say_v neither_o must_v we_o simple_o look_v what_o be_v do_v of_o the_o apostle_n in_o the_o government_n idem_fw-la idem_fw-la of_o the_o church_n sing_v there_o be_v most_o diverse_a circumstance_n and_o therefore_o without_o preposterous_a zeal_n all_o thing_n can_v in_o all_o place_n and_o time_n be_v call_v to_o one_o and_o the_o same_o form_n but_o rather_o the_o end_n and_o invariable_a purpose_n of_o they_o must_v be_v look_v unto_o and_o that_o manner_n and_o form_n of_o do_v thing_n be_v to_o be_v choose_v which_o 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order_n can_v be_v devise_v for_o the_o attendance_n of_o they_o in_o their_o sickness_n and_o other_o infirmity_n etc._n etc._n and_o in_o the_o end_n you_o conclude_v that_o if_o such_o may_v be_v get_v we_o ought_v also_o to_o keep_v that_o order_n of_o widow_n in_o the_o church_n still_o sure_o if_o it_o be_v a_o order_n appoint_v of_o god_n to_o be_v perperpetuall_a and_o contain_v under_o that_o denunciation_n to_o timothy_n in_o the_o sixth_o chapter_n these_o if_n and_o and_n can_v take_v no_o place_n for_o there_o be_v widow_n good_a store_n in_o this_o realm_n of_o england_n so_o that_o that_o excuse_n will_v not_o serve_v but_o it_o be_v a_o world_n to_o see_v what_o you_o dare_v avouche_v be_v it_o never_o so_o untrue_a contrary_a both_o to_o the_o practice_n of_o all_o reform_a church_n that_o i_o can_v hear_v of_o and_o judgement_n of_o all_o learned_a man_n that_o i_o have_v read_v of_o this_o matter_n but_o if_o the_o institution_n of_o widow_n be_v so_o necessay_v 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express_v word_n take_v from_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n all_o authority_n of_o make_v and_o appoint_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d order_n and_o ceremony_n of_o the_o church_n and_o give_v the_o same_o only_a to_o minister_n and_o eccle_n asticall_a govern_v r_n he_o make_v it_o the_o princess_n duty_n to_o see_v those_o awe_v execute_v which_o these_o eccle_n asticall_a governor_n shall_v appoynte_v and_o prescribe_v and_o in_o his_o preface_n he_o say_v that_o evil_a person_n may_v not_o handle_v ecclesiastical_a matter_n and_o pag._n 35._o &_o 145._o y_o e_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n may_v not_o be_v the_o head_n of_o the_o church_n in_o that_o common_a wealth_n whereof_o he_o be_v the_o head_n where_o by_o as_o i_o suppose_v he_o mean_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d supreme_a governor_n and_o that_o the_o church_n may_v be_v establish_v without_o he_o pag._n 54._o he_o deni_v that_o the_o magistrate_n ought_v to_o prescribe_v what_o kind_n of_o apparel_n minister_n 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grief_n and_o dismay_n of_o all_o those_o that_o profess_v christian_a religion_n and_o labour_n to_o atteyne_v christian_a reformation_n answer_v to_o the_o admonition_n pag._n 146._o 147._o 148._o you_o complain_v much_o of_o unbrother_o and_o uncharitable_a entreat_v cause_n complain_v of_o persecution_n without_o cause_n of_o you_o of_o remove_v you_o from_o your_o office_n and_o place_n sure_o in_o this_o point_n i_o must_v compare_v you_o to_o certain_a heretic_n that_o be_v in_o augustine_n time_n who_o most_o bitter_o by_o sundry_a mean_n afflict_v and_o molest_v the_o true_a minister_n of_o the_o church_n yet_o for_o all_o that_o cry_v out_o that_o they_o be_v extreme_o deal_v with_o and_o cruel_o persecute_v by_o they_o or_o else_o unto_o a_o shrewd_a and_o ungracious_a wife_n which_o beat_v her_o husband_n by_o her_o clamorous_a complaint_n make_v her_o neighbour_n tongue_n persecution_n of_o the_o tongue_n believe_v that_o her_o husband_n beat_v she_o or_o to_o he_o that_o 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disturber_n of_o the_o common_a peace_n and_o quietness_n of_o the_o church_n and_o state_n there_o be_v no_o reform_a church_n that_o i_o can_v hear_v ceremony_n every_o church_n have_v a_o determinate_a order_n of_o ceremony_n tell_v of_o but_o it_o have_v a_o certain_a prescript_n and_o determinate_a order_n aswell_o touch_v ceremony_n and_o discipline_n as_o doctrine_n to_o the_o which_o all_o those_o be_v constrain_v to_o give_v their_o consent_n that_o will_v live_v under_o the_o protection_n of_o it_o and_o why_o then_o may_v not_o this_o church_n of_o england_n have_v so_o in_o like_a manner_n be_v it_o meet_v that_o every_o man_n shall_v have_v his_o own_o fancy_n or_o live_v as_o he_o list_v true_o i_o know_v not_o whereunto_o these_o your_o do_n can_v tend_v but_o either_o to_o anabaptisme_n or_o to_o mere_a confusion_n but_o now_o to_o the_o reason_n that_o move_v you_o not_o to_o subscribe_v to_o those_o article_n minister_v unto_o you_o by_o her_o majesty_n high_a commissioner_n t._n c._n pag._n 156._o sect._n 2._o say_fw-la etiam_fw-la quodam_fw-la in_o loco_fw-la facetus_fw-la esse_fw-la voluisti_fw-la deus_fw-la bene_fw-la quam_fw-la te_fw-la illud_fw-la non_fw-la decet_fw-la here_o m._n divinity_n pleasant_a divinity_n doctor_n be_v dispose_v to_o make_v himself_o and_o his_o reader_n merry_a but_o it_o be_v with_o the_o bagpipe_n or_o country_n mirth_n not_o with_o the_o harp_n or_o lute_n which_o the_o learned_a be_v wont_a to_o handle_v for_o he_o have_v pack_v by_o together_o the_o old_a tale_n of_o the_o curse_a wife_n and_o of_o the_o thief_n that_o take_v away_o the_o priest_n purse_n very_o familiar_a and_o homely_a gear_n it_o may_v peradventure_o make_v m._n doctor_n hop_n about_o the_o house_n but_o the_o learned_a and_o the_o wise_n can_v not_o dance_v by_o this_o instrument_n it_o please_v m._n doctor_n to_o compare_v those_o which_o be_v put_v out_o of_o their_o live_n without_o just_a cause_n to_o heretic_n curse_a wyve_n and_o to_o thief_n but_o all_o man_n do_v understande_v how_o right_o what_o his_o trouble_n be_v within_o and_o in_o his_o conscience_n the_o lord_n god_n and_o he_o know_v best_o but_o as_o for_o the_o outward_a persecution_n which_o he_o suffer_v it_o be_v not_o such_o as_o he_o need_v thus_o to_o stoop_v and_o to_o groan_v and_o to_o blow_v underneath_o it_o as_o though_o he_o have_v some_o great_a burden_n upon_o his_o shoulder_n and_o if_o he_o complain_v of_o the_o persecution_n of_o the_o tongue_n to_o let_v pass_v his_o immoderate_a heat_n of_o speech_n which_o he_o use_v with_o those_o that_o he_o have_v to_o do_v withal_o the_o tongue_n which_o be_v more_o intemperate_a than_o he_o be_v in_o all_o his_o book_n shall_v hardly_o be_v find_v io._n whitgifte_n and_o i_o thank_v god_n i_o can_v be_v merry_a with_o the_o bagpype_n i_o be_o neither_o ashamed_a of_o the_o instrument_n nor_o of_o the_o country_n but_o what_o divinity_n call_v you_o this_o alack_o poor_a spite_n at_o the_o bagpipe_n sure_o you_o do_v i_o a_o pleasure_n when_o you_o tell_v i_o of_o it_o you_o have_v omit_v nothing_o that_o by_o any_o mean_n may_v serve_v you_o for_o a_o jest_n o_o great_a gravity_n etc._n etc._n but_o let_v we_o leave_v puerilia_fw-la pveris_fw-la i_o know_v none_o of_o you_o put_v from_o your_o live_n without_o most_o just_a cause_n if_o there_o be_v any_o injury_v that_o way_n god_n be_v thank_v they_o may_v find_v justice_n my_o quietness_n within_o my_o conscience_n i_o most_o humble_o thank_v my_o god_n therefore_o do_v mitigate_v the_o heat_n of_o the_o slanderous_a generation_n and_o make_v i_o more_o willing_a to_o deal_v against_o that_o sect_n that_o can_v not_o be_v maynteyn_v without_o such_o kind_n of_o uncharitable_a and_o slanderous_a deal_n i_o remember_v what_o cyprian_n say_v to_o cornelius_n epist._n lib._n 1._o ecclesiastical_a cyprian_a cyprian_a discipline_n be_v not_o therefore_o to_o be_v leave_v of_o nor_o the_o severity_n that_o become_v a_o priest_n to_o be_v slacken_v because_o we_o be_v revile_v and_o evil_o speak_v of_o etc._n etc._n and_o again_o the_o opprobrious_a speech_n of_o the_o wicked_a ought_v not_o to_o move_v we_o so_o that_o we_o decline_v from_o the_o right_a way_n and_o the_o sure_a rule_n see_v that_o the_o apostle_n instruct_v we_o say_v if_o i_o â–ª_o shall_v please_v man_n i_o be_v not_o the_o servant_n of_o christ._n if_o the_o heat_n of_o my_o tongue_n be_v immoderate_a what_o shall_v be_v say_v of_o you_o but_o this_o kind_n of_o deal_n be_v nothing_o meet_v for_o us._n wherefore_o if_o you_o continue_v in_o this_o vain_a you_o shall_v have_v the_o best_a game_n for_o i_o t._n c._n pag._n 156._o sect._n 2._o and_o although_o it_o be_v unreasonable_a enough_o that_o he_o shall_v not_o give_v man_n leave_v to_o complain_v of_o their_o trouble_n
realm_n for_o most_o just_a consideration_n even_o for_o the_o better_a government_n of_o the_o college_n be_v otherwise_o full_a of_o youth_n have_v license_v be_v in_o the_o number_n of_o the_o twelve_o preacher_n choose_v according_a to_o statute_n to_o continue_v in_o their_o felowship_n with_o one_o live_v beside_o to_o a_o certain_a value_n if_o there_o be_v the_o like_a provision_n in_o other_o place_n and_o the_o same_o furnish_v with_o such_o kind_n of_o man_n the_o state_n of_o diverse_a college_n in_o cambridge_n will_v not_o be_v so_o tumultuous_a as_o it_o be_v touch_v the_o party_n themselves_o against_o who_o you_o so_o bitter_o whette_v your_o tongue_n the_o fello_n defend_v against_o the_o poison_a tongue_n tongue_n upon_o the_o same_o cause_n and_o quarrel_n you_o do_v against_o i_o this_o i_o will_v speak_v unfeyned_o as_o i_o shall_v answer_v before_o god_n and_o the_o world_n they_o be_v sober_a honest_a wise_a quiet_a man_n faithful_a and_o learned_a preacher_n 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than_o we_o they_o see_v in_o no_o respect_n we_o be_v inferior_a to_o they_o well_o to_o conclude_v your_o word_n be_v but_o vain_a and_o your_o proof_n none_o at_o all_o and_o therefore_o i_o doubt_v not_o but_o cathedral_n church_n shall_v be_v able_a to_o withstand_v both_o your_o opprobrious_a speech_n &_o the_o greediness_n of_o all_o their_o adversary_n so_o long_o as_o it_o shall_v please_v god_n to_o bless_v this_o land_n with_o so_o virtuous_a &_o learned_a a_o queen_n &_o so_o wise_a and_o discrete_a counselor_n t._n c._n pag._n 164._o sect._n 2._o and_o where_o he_o say_v it_o be_v not_o material_a although_o these_o dean_n uycedeane_n canon_n petycanon_n prebendary_n etc._n etc._n come_v from_o y_fw-fr e_fw-la pope_n it_o be_v as_o if_o he_o shall_v say_v that_o it_o skill_v not_o although_o they_o come_v out_o of_o y_fw-fr e_o bottomless_a pit_n for_o whatsoever_o come_v from_o the_o pope_n which_o be_v antichrist_n come_v first_o from_o the_o devil_n and_o where_o he_o 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i_o will_v ask_v no_o better_a commentary_n to_o the_o canon_n of_o the_o apostle_n before_o allege_a or_o any_o other_o such_o like_a than_o this_o very_a canon_n of_o the_o council_n of_o chalcedon_n to_o what_o purpose_n do_v you_o allege_v the._n 7._o canon_n of_o that_o council_n do_v you_o ever_o hear_v i_o say_v that_o i_o will_v have_v a_o minister_n to_o be_v a_o soldier_n or_o a_o captain_n in_o war_n or_o enjoy_v any_o such_o secular_a honour_n or_o office_n wherefore_o you_o lack_v probation_n when_o you_o be_v constrain_v to_o use_v this_o ¶_o the_o reason_n use_v in_o the_o answer_v justify_v chap._n 3._o the._n 1._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 169._o lin._n 4._o &_o sect._n 1._o 2._o now_o i_o come_v to_o m._n doctor_n argument_n which_o he_o bring_v to_o establish_v this_o disorder_n and_o first_o he_o say_v minister_n of_o the_o word_n may_v not_o occupy_v themselves_o in_o worldly_a business_n as_o to_o be_v merchant_n husbandman_n craft_n man_n and_o such_o like_a 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person_n your_o jest_a taunt_n i_o leave_v to_o those_o that_o profess_v that_o cunning_a chap._n 3._o the._n 2._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 169._o sect._n 2._o for_o whereas_o he_o say_v it_o be_v a_o help_n and_o maintain_v religion_n in_o deed_n that_o be_v the_o reason_n of_o the_o 11._o lib._n 4._o cap._n 11._o papist_n which_o m._n caluin_n confute_v in_o his_o institution_n and_o although_o it_o be_v good_a and_o necessary_a to_o punish_v vice_n and_o iniquity_n by_o corporal_a punishment_n and_o by_o civil_a correction_n yet_o it_o do_v no_o more_o follow_v that_o that_o shall_v be_v do_v by_o the_o minister_n than_o it_o follow_v that_o for_o that_o preach_n and_o minister_a the_o sacrament_n and_o excommunication_n be_v good_a and_o necessary_a therefore_o the_o same_o be_v fit_v to_o be_v execute_v
buyer_n and_o seller_n out_o of_o the_o temple_n what_o office_n do_v paul_n commit_v to_o timothy_n when_o he_o say_v adversùs_fw-la presbyterum_fw-la &_o c_o i_o will_v not_o have_v a_o minister_n to_o be_v a_o warrior_n or_o a_o farmer_n or_o a_o merchant_n or_o have_v any_o such_o like_a osfice_n which_o consist_v in_o gain_n or_o bodily_a labour_n only_o but_o why_o he_o may_v not_o have_v such_o a_o office_n as_o be_v profitable_a to_o increase_v godliness_n and_o punish_v ungodliness_n i_o hear_v as_o yet_o no_o reason_n as_o for_o the_o office_n of_o a_o high_a commissioner_n it_o be_v ecclesiastical_a for_o they_o have_v to_o do_v only_o in_o cause_n ecclesiastical_a t._n c._n pag._n 170._o sect._n 1_o and_o for_o elye_v and_o samuel_n they_o be_v extraordinary_a example_n which_o may_v thereby_o appear_v for_o that_o both_o these_o office_n first_o meeting_n in_o melchisedech_n and_o afterward_o in_o moses_n be_v by_o the_o commandment_n of_o god_n sever_v when_o as_o the_o lord_n take_v from_o moses_n be_v so_o wise_a and_o godly_a a_o man_n the_o priesthood_n and_o give_v it_o to_o aaron_n and_o to_o his_o successor_n and_o so_o for_o so_o much_o as_o when_o the_o lord_n will_v polish_a his_o church_n &_o make_v it_o famous_a &_o renoun_n ed_z in_o the_o world_n he_o give_v this_o order_n it_o appear_v that_o he_o will_v have_v this_o to_o be_v a_o perpetual_a rule_n unto_o his_o church_n and_o by_o so_o much_o it_o be_v the_o clear_a for_o that_o the_o lord_n do_v not_o tarry_v until_o moses_n death_n but_o take_v the_o priesthood_n away_o from_o moses_n which_o be_v a_o man_n as_o able_a to_o execute_v both_o as_o either_o elye_a or_o samuel_n io._n whitgifte_n it_o be_v not_o certain_a whether_o moses_n be_v ever_o priest_n or_o no_o for_o where_o it_o be_v say_v priest_n it_o be_v doubtful_a whether_o moses_n be_v priest_n in_o the._n 99_o bsalme_n moses_n &_o aaron_n in_o sacerdotibus_fw-la eius_fw-la the_o hebrew_n word_n be_v doubtful_a and_o signify_v as_o well_o a_o prince_n as_o a_o priest_n &_o therefore_o upon_o this_o place_n it_o can_v necessary_o be_v conclude_v that_o moses_n be_v a_o priest_n moreover_o at_o that_o time_n the_o chief_a ruler_n &_o man_n of_o great_a authority_n be_v call_v priest_n but_o you_o never_o read_v that_o moses_n offer_v up_o any_o sacrifice_n for_o sin_n which_o be_v the_o proper_a office_n of_o the_o priest_n neither_o can_v you_o tell_v we_o where_o he_o be_v ever_o consecrate_v priest_n in_o deed_n harding_n against_o the_o apology_n do_v allege_v this_o example_n at_o moses_n be_v as_o he_o say_v both_o a_o civil_a magistrate_n and_o a_o priest_n to_o prove_v that_o the_o pope_n may_v be_v both_o king_n and_o priest_n but_o be_v it_o as_o you_o say_v that_o these_o two_o office_n be_v distinguish_v in_o moses_n &_o aaron_n &_o that_o the_o priest_n office_n which_o consist_v in_o offer_v oblation_n &_o sacrifice_n be_v take_v from_o he_o yet_o do_v he_o keep_v still_o his_o former_a authority_n in_o govern_v the_o church_n and_o in_o prescribe_v to_o aaron_n what_o he_o shall_v do_v even_o in_o matter_n perteyn_a to_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n so_o that_o these_o two_o office_n i_o mean_v civil_a and_o ecclesiastical_a be_v not_o so_o distinct_a but_o that_o they_o may_v both_o apt_o &_o well_o meet_v &_o join_v together_o further_o more_o one_o civil_a and_o ecclesiastical_a office_n meet_v in_o one_o you_o know_v that_o howsoever_o the_o priesthood_n &_o civil_a magistracy_n be_v divide_v in_o moses_n and_o aaron_n yet_o meet_v they_o both_o together_o again_o not_o only_o in_o elye_a &_o samuel_n but_o in_o es_fw-ge ras_n nehemias_n mattathias_n and_o some_o other_o which_o example_n prove_v that_o upon_o occasion_n these_o office_n may_v meet_v together_o in_o one_o person_n &_o they_o quite_o overthrow_v your_o allegation_n of_o moses_n chap._n 3._o the._n 9_o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 170._o sect._n 1_o and_o this_o may_v be_v also_o easy_o see_v for_o 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the_o truth_n and_o yet_o the_o church_n be_v in_o good_a state_n all_o sainuels_n time_n and_o the_o most_o part_n of_o elyes_n also_o for_o any_o thing_n that_o i_o can_v read_v to_o the_o contrary_n i_o bring_v in_o those_o example_n to_o prove_v that_o these_o office_n have_v meet_v together_o and_o reply_o the_o state_n of_o y_fw-fr e_o controverune_v alter_v by_o the_o reply_o therefore_o be_v not_o so_o diverse_a as_o you_o will_v make_v they_o i_o do_v not_o use_v they_o to_o this_o end_n that_o i_o will_v have_v a_o priest_n to_o be_v a_o king_n you_o know_v the_o state_n of_o our_o question_n be_v only_o whether_o bishop_n may_v exercise_v those_o civil_a function_n of_o justiceship_n of_o peace_n and_o such_o like_a which_o the_o prince_n commit_v unto_o they_o or_o no_o and_o not_o whether_o they_o may_v sit_v in_o the_o prince_n throne_n and_o take_v her_o sceptre_n out_o of_o her_o hand_n whether_o she_o will_v or_o no_o as_o the_o pope_n do_v and_o therefore_o whereas_o 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that_o he_o be_v a_o minister_n ought_v to_o have_v a_o civil_a office_n but_o that_o he_o may_v have_v one_o if_o he_o be_v by_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n thereunto_o appoint_v so_o it_o do_v not_o follow_v that_o a_o civil_a magistrate_n ought_v to_o be_v a_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n but_o that_o he_o may_v be_v if_o he_o be_v meet_a and_o thereunto_o ordinary_o and_o lawful_o call_v and_o admit_v the_o priest_n may_v not_o take_v upon_o he_o the_o office_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n unless_o he_o be_v call_v lawful_o unto_o it_o nor_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n may_v not_o take_v upon_o he_o the_o office_n of_o a_o priest_n unless_o he_o be_v ordinary_o thereunto_o admit_v and_o this_o be_v no_o confusion_n at_o all_o chap._n 3._o the._n 10._o division_n
t._n c._n pag._n 170._o sect._n 2._o as_o for_o elias_n kill_v the_o false_a prophet_n and_o our_o saviour_n christ_n whip_a out_n of_o the_o temple_n it_o be_v strange_a that_o m._n doctor_n will_v allege_v they_o as_o thing_n to_o be_v follow_v when_o he_o may_v as_o well_o teach_v that_o we_o may_v call_v for_o fire_n from_o heaven_n as_o elias_n do_v and_o be_v demand_v answer_v nothing_o as_o our_o saviour_n do_v as_o to_o follow_v these_o action_n which_o be_v most_o singular_a and_o extraordinary_a and_o if_o these_o one_o or_o two_o example_n be_v enough_o to_o break_v the_o order_n that_o god_n have_v set_v by_o this_o a_o man_n may_v prove_v that_o the_o mynister_n may_v be_v fisher_n and_o tent_n maker_n because_o peter_n and_o paul_n be_v minister_n do_v fish_n and_o make_v tent_n and_o true_o these_o be_v not_o so_o extraordinary_a and_o from_o the_o general_a rule_n as_o the_o other_o be_v and_o it_o be_v permit_v in_o a_o council_n that_o rather_o than_o a_o minister_n 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