Selected quad for the lemma: state_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
state_n	church_n	civil_a	commonwealth_n	1,637	5	9.2456	5	true

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A91473	Independency accused by nine severall arguments: written by a godly learned minister, to a member of Mr. John Goodwins congregation, and acquitted by severall replyes to the said arguments by a member of the same church. In both which, sweetnesse of spirit, and soundnesse of arguments have been endeavoured. Published according to order.	I. P.	1645 (1645)	Wing P53A; Thomason E296_16; ESTC R200209	27,998	39

into_o great_a tribulation_n and_o will_v kill_v she_o and_o her_o child_n with_o death_n i_o will_v not_o suffer_v she_o i_o will_v not_o fail_v in_o do_v justice_n upon_o she_o and_o her_o child_n as_o you_o sinful_o have_v do_v church-censure_n only_o will_v not_o have_v binder_v she_o from_o teach_v but_o she_o be_v not_o to_o have_v be_v suffer_v to_o teach_v therefore_o a_o further_a power_n ought_v to_o have_v come_v in_o for_o the_o suppression_n of_o she_o and_o her_o follower_n reply_n first_o i_o humble_o conceive_v that_o church-censure_n if_o due_o and_o timely_o perform_v will_v have_v prevent_v this_o reproof_n both_o to_o the_o one_o church_n and_o the_o other_o and_o the_o neglect_n hereof_o or_o which_o be_v worse_o the_o not_o suppress_v these_o false_a doctrine_n by_o a_o powerful_a preach_n against_o the_o same_o be_v the_o ground_n of_o these_o sharp_a and_o bitter_a reproof_n and_o my_o reason_n be_v this_o it_o be_v evident_a they_o have_v not_o the_o help_n of_o the_o magistrate_n therein_o for_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o political_a state_n it_o be_v say_v of_o the_o church_n of_o pergamus_n that_o she_o dwell_v where_o satan_n have_v his_o seat_n or_o throne_n and_o where_o antipas_n god_n faithful_a servant_n suffer_v martyrdom_n so_o that_o they_o have_v no_o help_n in_o that_o respect_n from_o the_o magistrate_n and_o if_o so_o i_o suppose_v you_o will_v not_o say_v the_o church_n can_v imprison_v banish_v etc._n etc._n so_o that_o i_o presume_v their_o neglect_n must_v be_v of_o something_o which_o be_v in_o the_o power_n of_o the_o church_n and_o second_o whereas_o you_o say_v church-censure_n will_v not_o have_v hinder_v these_o proceed_n in_o the_o church_n i_o humble_o conceive_v the_o contrary_a because_o if_o the_o church_n officer_n and_o member_n have_v examine_v these_o doctrine_n as_o they_o ought_v and_o upon_o the_o find_n of_o they_o erroneous_a have_v proceed_v to_o censure_v they_o in_o case_n they_o will_v not_o forbear_v the_o promulgation_n thereof_o from_o that_o time_n the_o church_n be_v not_o to_o permit_v they_o to_o preach_v any_o more_o among_o they_o neither_o shall_v they_o give_v they_o any_o more_o hear_v three_o if_o a_o mean_n sanctify_v by_o god_n to_o a_o end_n do_v not_o always_o effect_v it_o we_o may_v not_o therefore_o devise_v another_o magistracy_n do_v not_o suppress_v all_o vice_n argument_n vii_o most_o evident_a it_o be_v that_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n in_o the_o commonwealth_n of_o israel_n be_v supreme_a in_o thing_n ecclesiastic_a ill_n 1_o chro._n 15._o david_n assemble_v all_o israel_n to_o jerusalem_n give_v the_o priest_n and_o levite_n their_o charge_n order_n the_o thing_n of_o the_o ark_n of_o god_n vers_fw-la 1._o to_o 18._o 2_o chron._n 15._o it_o be_v say_v king_n asa_n take_v courage_n and_o put_v away_o the_o abominable_a idol_n and_o renew_v the_o altar_n of_o the_o lord_n and_o make_v a_o covenant_n and_o whosoever_o will_v not_o seek_v the_o lord_n god_n of_o israel_n shall_v be_v put_v to_o death_n whether_o great_a or_o small_a man_n or_o woman_n now_o let_v it_o be_v show_v where_o god_n take_v this_o power_n from_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n under_o the_o new_a testament_n why_o the_o magistrate_n have_v not_o as_o much_o power_n or_o the_o same_o power_n in_o matter_n ecclesiastical_a as_o than_o he_o have_v it_o be_v true_a the_o apostle_n be_v very_o silent_a and_o close_o in_o give_v the_o civil_a magistrate_n his_o just_a power_n in_o thing_n spiritual_a but_o i_o conceive_v this_o closeness_n of_o they_o be_v their_o prudence_n and_o that_o in_o these_o two_o respect_n 1._o there_o be_v no_o magistrate_n then_o but_o heathonish_v or_o jewish_a and_o so_o understand_v not_o god_n will_v in_o his_o worship_n and_o so_o have_v any_o thing_n be_v command_v it_o have_v be_v but_o a_o oarnall_a commandment_n humane_a which_o christian_n must_v have_v refuse_v and_o therefore_o it_o be_v not_o their_o wisdom_n to_o speak_v or_o write_v much_o to_o this_o point_n lest_o it_o have_v prove_v a_o snare_n 2._o have_v they_o speak_v much_o of_o a_o christian_a magistrate_n that_o shall_v have_v power_n in_o thing_n civil_a and_o ecclesiastical_a and_o be_v able_a to_o defend_v christianity_n against_o all_o its_o enemy_n this_o will_v have_v breed_v jealousy_n in_o the_o roman_a state_n and_o christian_a church_n will_v have_v be_v look_v upon_o as_o a_o conspire_v traitorous_a generation_n and_o persecution_n will_v have_v soon_o be_v raise_v up_o against_o they_o it_o be_v the_o apostle_n wisdom_n to_o keep_v caesar_n head_n free_a from_o jealousy_n that_o so_o the_o church_n may_v enjoy_v christ_n and_o their_o conscience_n the_o better_a therefore_o they_o speak_v so_o little_a of_o the_o christian_a magistrate_n in_o thing_n civil_a and_o ecclesiastical_a well_o know_v that_o after-age_n will_v not_o be_v at_o a_o loss_n or_o stand_v in_o this_o point_n but_o may_v look_v upon_o the_o example_n of_o the_o godly_a king_n of_o israel_n for_o their_o imitation_n never_o be_v repeal_v and_o in_o david_n josiah_n asa_n may_v see_v what_o be_v their_o right_n and_o just_a power_n in_o matter_n both_o of_o church_n and_o state_n reply_n first_o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v deny_v but_o that_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n in_o the_o commonwealth_n of_o israel_n be_v supreme_a in_o thing_n ecclesiastical_a but_o upon_o such_o ground_n and_o reason_n as_o be_v peculiar_a unto_o they_o and_o therefore_o not_o presidentiall_a for_o christian_a magistrate_n under_o the_o gospel_n except_o upon_o the_o same_o or_o the_o like_a ground_n for_o first_o the_o godly_a king_n of_o israel_n and_o judah_n be_v type_n of_o christ_n thus_o david_n who_o you_o instance_n it_o be_v say_v of_o he_o psal_n 75.3_o the_o earth_n and_o all_o the_o inhabitant_n thereof_o be_v dissolve_v i_o bear_v up_o the_o pillar_n thereof_o which_o be_v true_a only_a of_o jesus_n christ_n the_o antitype_n who_o lay_v the_o foundation_n of_o the_o earth_n heb._n 1.10_o and_o uphold_v all_o thing_n by_o the_o word_n of_o his_o power_n vers_n 3._o now_o when_o the_o antitype_n be_v come_v into_o the_o world_n jesus_n christ_n in_o the_o room_n of_o his_o father_n david_n the_o law_n henceforth_o be_v to_o proceed_v from_o his_o lip_n and_o the_o government_n be_v to_o be_v upon_o his_o shoulder_n and_o of_o his_o kingdom_n there_o shall_v be_v no_o end_n isa_n 9.6_o 7._o so_o moses_n be_v a_o chief_a magistrate_n unto_o israel_n unto_o who_o they_o be_v to_o hearken_v until_o christ_n who_o he_o do_v typify_v be_v come_v and_o of_o he_o he_o say_v himself_o deuter._n 18.15_o a_o prophet_n shall_v the_o lord_n your_o god_n raise_v up_o unto_o you_o like_v unto_o i_o he_o shall_v you_o hear_v in_o all_o thing_n whatsoever_o he_o shall_v say_v unto_o you_o and_o it_o shall_v come_v to_o pass_v that_o whosoever_o shall_v not_o hear_v that_o prophet_n that_o soul_n shall_v be_v destroy_v from_o among_o the_o people_n act_v 3.22_o 23._o the_o king_n of_o israel_n and_o judah_n who_o you_o mention_v be_v type_n of_o christ_n kingly_a office_n christ_n therefore_o be_v come_v the_o type_n be_v go_v for_o though_o king_n of_o commonwealth_n may_v be_v of_o a_o moral_a consideration_n and_o so_o perpetual_a yet_o king_n as_o the_o head_n of_o the_o church_n in_o thing_n eccelesiastical_a be_v type_n and_o therefore_o abolish_v and_o by_o the_o same_o argument_n as_o you_o will_v maintain_v the_o power_n of_o christian_a king_n over_o the_o church_n of_o god_n in_o thing_n mere_o ecclesiastical_a from_o the_o example_n of_o the_o king_n of_o israel_n and_o judah_n who_o be_v type_n of_o christ_n by_o the_o same_o argument_n may_v the_o pope_n maintain_v a_o chief_a priesthood_n under_o the_o gospel_n after_o the_o example_n of_o aaron_n and_o the_o rest_n of_o that_o order_n successive_o second_o the_o godly_a king_n of_o israel_n and_o judah_n be_v direct_v by_o the_o infallible_a mouth_n of_o god_n and_o guidance_n of_o his_o spirit_n even_o in_o these_o ecclesiastical_a business_n and_o thus_o david_n who_o you_o in_o stance_n to_o give_v the_o priest_n and_o levite_n their_o charge_n 1_o chron._n 15._o if_o you_o look_v into_o 1_o chron._n 28.12_o he_o have_v his_o direction_n from_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n and_o vers_fw-la 19_o david_n profess_v that_o the_o lord_n make_v he_o understand_v all_o the_o work_n of_o this_o pattern_n when_o you_o can_v prove_v such_o a_o infallible_a guidance_n and_o direction_n by_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n in_o matter_n of_o church-government_n to_o be_v the_o portion_n of_o christian_a king_n under_o the_o gospel_n there_o may_v be_v some_o colour_n in_o this_o argument_n three_o the_o king_n of_o israel_n be_v elder_n of_o one_o ministerial_a congregation_n for_o the_o whole_a church_n and_o state_n be_v so_o as_o be_v

eldership_n over_o they_o and_o not_o several_a eldership_n for_o the_o several_a company_n and_o not_o be_v tie_v any_o of_o they_o to_o come_v to_o any_o one_o place_n more_o than_o another_o it_o do_v no_o more_o argue_v they_o be_v many_o congregation_n or_o hinder_v their_o be_v one_o though_o inconvenient_a to_o be_v govern_v by_o reason_n of_o its_o vastness_n than_o it_o do_v in_o holland_n where_o the_o case_n be_v so_o or_o then_o in_o some_o great_a parish_n in_o and_o about_o london_n where_o though_o they_o meet_v in_o one_o place_n yet_o can_v meet_v all_o together_o by_o reason_n of_o the_o multitude_n be_v above_o 10000_o in_o some_o parish_n unless_o at_o several_a time_n if_o it_o be_v so_o that_o they_o have_v be_v presbyterial_a in_o a_o city_n yet_o it_o be_v far_o different_a from_o that_o government_n that_o make_v many_o town_n &_o city_n one_o church_n and_o draw_v they_o to_o subjection_n to_o one_o common_a presbytery_n and_o that_o in_o ordinary_a against_o which_o many_o reason_n may_v be_v give_v though_o the_o other_o be_v admit_v three_o if_o the_o church_n of_o those_o time_n have_v not_o so_o judge_v that_o the_o way_n the_o apostle_n leave_v church_n in_o be_v to_o be_v their_o pattern_n as_o it_o have_v be_v easy_a for_o they_o to_o order_v it_o as_o afterward_o their_o posterity_n do_v into_o episcopacy_n so_o have_v it_o be_v more_o advantage_n and_o ease_v to_o they_o to_o have_v unite_v many_o church_n together_o into_o one_o body_n and_o to_o set_v one_o council_n and_o precedent_n over_o it_o for_o the_o suppress_n of_o heresy_n schism_n etc._n etc._n which_o yet_o they_o do_v not_o till_o time_n grow_v more_o corrupt_a and_o which_o at_o this_o day_n be_v the_o state_n of_o the_o papacy_n four_o though_o this_o may_v suffice_v yet_o i_o shall_v now_o show_v you_o how_o it_o may_v come_v to_o pass_v that_o this_o receive_a truth_n may_v be_v lose_v and_o no_o notice_n leave_v of_o any_o contend_v for_o it_o first_o great_a truth_n than_o this_o of_o government_n have_v be_v steal_v from_o the_o church_n without_o any_o great_a reluctancy_n as_o far_o as_o appear_v as_o the_o read_n of_o the_o scripture_n by_o the_o people_n transubstantiation_n of_o the_o bread_n in_o the_o sacrament_n adoration_n of_o the_o host_n the_o mass_n itself_o take_v the_o cup_n from_o the_o people_n etc._n etc._n which_o the_o subtlety_n of_o man_n take_v advantage_n by_o the_o negligence_n and_o cowardice_n of_o the_o people_n bring_v in_o without_o much_o opposition_n till_o long_o after_o second_o the_o monument_n of_o antiquity_n in_o this_o kind_n be_v very_o defective_a first_o by_o the_o notable_a carelessness_n of_o writer_n in_o those_o time_n of_o which_o ludovicus_n apud_fw-la illyricum_n in_o refutat_fw-la brin_n pag._n 15._o a_o author_n of_o no_o mean_a credit_n complain_v it_o be_v a_o singular_a grief_n to_o i_o say_v he_o when_o i_o call_v to_o mind_n how_o diligent_o the_o action_n of_o alexander_n scipio_n annibal_n pompey_n cesar_n socrates_n plato_n aristotle_n and_o other_o captain_n and_o philosopher_n have_v be_v note_v that_o there_o be_v no_o peril_n of_o their_o perish_v but_o the_o do_n of_o the_o apostle_n except_o such_o as_o be_v set_v down_o in_o sacred_a scripture_n martyr_n and_o saint_n of_o our_o religion_n yea_o and_o of_o the_o church_n itself_o whether_o grow_v up_o or_o at_o full_a age_n be_v cover_v in_o deep_a silence_n for_o these_o thing_n which_o be_v write_v except_v a_o few_o only_a be_v corrupt_v with_o feign_a invention_n etc._n etc._n thus_o he_o a_o man_n by_o profession_n a_o papist_n second_o because_o of_o the_o prevalencie_n of_o the_o romish_a faction_n whereby_o all_o monument_n almost_o that_o seem_v to_o oppose_v the_o intend_a usurpation_n as_o the_o ancient_a government_n of_o the_o church_n especial_o do_v be_v either_o spupress_v or_o some_o way_n violate_v as_o among_o many_o other_o dr._n james_n have_v discover_v at_o large_a in_o his_o book_n entitle_v the_o corruption_n of_o father_n etc._n etc._n but_o last_o to_o give_v you_o a_o more_o direct_a answer_n there_o have_v not_o be_v want_v defendant_n of_o the_o liberty_n of_o the_o church_n in_o this_o particular_a for_o see_v it_o be_v evident_a by_o the_o first_o second_o and_o three_o particular_a in_o this_o answer_n that_o both_o in_o the_o apostle_n time_n and_o next_o age_n after_o the_o church_n be_v govern_v each_o by_o themselves_o as_o in_o respect_n of_o authority_n out_o of_o their_o own_o body_n if_o there_o be_v any_o that_o resist_v those_o that_o invade_v that_o liberty_n those_o be_v the_o example_n of_o suffer_v or_o at_o least_o contest_a for_o this_o government_n but_o the_o bishop_n be_v the_o first_o that_o usurp_v the_o power_n of_o many_o church_n in_o ordinary_a and_o these_o be_v often_o resist_v by_o word_n write_v and_o fact_n as_o appear_v not_o only_o by_o aerius_n who_o be_v count_v a_o heretic_n for_o his_o labour_n but_o also_o by_o jerom_n who_o say_v that_o bishop_n be_v bring_v in_o to_o prevent_v heresy_n and_o schism_n but_o that_o the_o church_n be_v ancient_o govern_v by_o the_o joint_a counsel_n of_o the_o elder_n now_o this_o be_v either_o by_o the_o elder_n of_o the_o same_o church_n or_o if_o with_o other_o it_o be_v a_o conjunction_n by_o way_n of_o christian_a fellowship_n and_o society_n not_o by_o jurisdiction_n authority_n and_o necessity_n as_o we_o see_v before_o i_o add_v that_o the_o suffering_n of_o so_o many_o in_o opposition_n to_o papal_a government_n even_o in_o the_o ancient_a time_n be_v a_o argument_n in_o a_o negative_a sense_n that_o there_o have_v be_v suffering_n for_o church-government_n because_o they_o will_v not_o submit_v to_o a_o false_a government_n to_o conclude_v this_o argument_n i_o shall_v endeavour_v at_o better_a leisure_n to_o give_v you_o some_o particular_a instance_n out_o of_o the_o story_n which_o maymore_o full_o satisfy_v this_o querie_n insigniores_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la etc._n etc._n they_o which_o be_v more_o eminent_a church_n say_v they_o be_v in_o some_o honour_n because_o of_o the_o apostle_n that_o teach_v in_o they_o and_o because_o of_o their_o minister_n that_o be_v more_o excellent_a for_o learning_n and_o constancy_n and_o likewise_o of_o the_o benefit_n that_o those_o church_n do_v afford_v to_o other_o neighbour_n church_n but_o they_o have_v no_o other_o power_n over_o other_o church_n then_o by_o mutual_a office_n in_o thing_n belong_v to_o the_o edification_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n to_o afford_v they_o their_o help_n and_o then_o instance_n in_o particular_a church_n 2._o the_o church_n in_o the_o next_o age_n after_o the_o apostle_n cent._n 2._o cap._n 7._o titul_n de_fw-fr consociatione_fw-la ecclesiarum_fw-la caeterum_fw-la si_fw-la quis_fw-la probatos_fw-la autores_fw-la etc._n etc._n if_o say_v they_o any_o man_n look_v into_o the_o approve_a author_n of_o this_o age_n he_o shall_v find_v that_o the_o form_n of_o government_n be_v almost_o like_o a_o popular_a government_n for_o every_o church_n have_v equal_a power_n to_o preach_v the_o word_n of_o god_n pure_o to_o administer_v the_o sacrament_n to_o absolve_v and_o excommunicate_v heretic_n and_o wicked_a man_n to_o elect_v call_v and_o ordain_v minister_n and_o upon_o sufficient_a ground_n to_o depose_v they_o to_o call_v assembly_n and_o synod_n in_o doubtful_a thing_n and_o that_o be_v controversall_a to_o require_v the_o opinion_n of_o other_o to_o judge_v and_o determine_v they_o further_o the_o neighbour_n church_n for_o charity_n and_o edification_n sake_n not_o for_o any_o superior_a jurisdiction_n but_o for_o the_o command_n of_o christ_n concern_v mutual_a love_n in_o their_o necessity_n crave_v the_o help_n of_o their_o neighbour_n church_n and_o also_o afford_v they_o to_o they_o in_o more_o weighty_a question_n all_o the_o church_n or_o elder_n of_o that_o province_n or_o else_o the_o most_o of_o the_o teacher_n come_v together_o and_o determine_v by_o common_a advice_n what_o be_v to_o be_v do_v for_o the_o faithful_a in_o asia_n say_v eusebius_n quote_v by_o they_o in_o that_o place_n come_v often_o from_o many_o place_n together_o and_o examine_v the_o new_a doctrine_n and_o pronounce_v they_o wicked_a and_o reject_v the_o heresy_n they_o cast_v and_o excommunicate_v it_o out_o of_o the_o church_n the_o church_n that_o be_v far_o off_o in_o other_o province_n consult_v with_o other_o church_n by_o letter_n which_o they_o do_v general_o or_o by_o common_a consent_n subscribe_v this_o new_a pprophecy_n say_v serapin_n in_o euseb_n cite_v by_o the_o cent._n be_v refute_v and_o reject_v by_o all_o the_o brotherhood_n which_o be_v in_o all_o the_o world_n tit._n de_fw-fr synodis_fw-la private_a each_o church_n that_o thing_n may_v be_v better_o order_v have_v their_o synod_n or_o assembly_n or_o church-meeting_n in_o which_o the_o rector_n or_o