laws of Eccles polit Tracts published long since wherein their vain fancies and illiterate objections are refuted at large If notwithstanding they will yet venture to write it will be answered If they will needs argue and dispute there are ready that will either satisfie them or by argument silence them And were it not in regard that we would not seem as undutifull in accepting as they have been in the offering of this Challenge it is the thing we would urge and instantly entreat that these matters might be debated between us in writing But in the mean time what motions are these for the reformers to make unto a most prudent Prince in his settled and peaceable government who for many years hath had triall in that his other kingdome of their pretended reformation and in this also hath seen the gracious effects under her Majesties late hapy Raign of that Church Discipline which they would ruinate and overthrow God hath appointed his Majesty unto this Kingdome It is true and we magnifie the goodnesse of God for it and congratulate his Highnes in the prosperous possession of it from the ground of our hearts But that God hath appointed him to this kingdome for such a purpose as they conceite what spirit of divination is in them that they should forespeake it Nay rather seeing almighty God hath ordained him as the great Physitian next and immediately under himselfe to take care of the body politique both of his Church and Common-wealth he will surely cure such diseases as these men are sick of For turbulent and discontented humors are like to breed very dangerous deseases in a civill State And not be perswaded as they fondly imagine by such suggestions as these to alter that state of the Church which is acceptable to God honorable to his Highnes comfortable to many thousand Ministers the Nurse of good learning admirable to strangers approved by our * The letters that Mr. Beza hath written to the Arch. bish of C. that now is Opposites envied of our enemies distastfull unto none but such as know neither how to rule nor how to obey The very names of punishments are unpleasant indeed but the things themselves are necessary sometimes and their effects good and profitable for preservation of the whol howsoever the induring of them may be grievous in the particular And he that will indifferently consider the true causes of the corrections here mentioned shall have just cause to approve the Justice * Conspiracy for pretended Reformation and commend the mildnes that hath bin used towards this sort of men As for that clause of Mens traditions it is too too odious and would imply Superstition or Popery to be in some of them But how vainly and how injuriously hath in some sort been heretofore declared That other of beeing prejudiciall to none but those that seek their own c. is as injurious to all the rest of the Min sters of this land Be we the men that are so addicted to our own quiet credite and commoditie in the world Where then be the the fruits of our covetousnes the effects of our ambition the marks of our idlenes We be the men that in the testimony of a good conscience for the repelling of such a malicious contumely and slanderous reproach may truly say We put not out our mony to usury we detest all filthy lucre we contain our selves within our Vocations we forsake not our holy callings we omit not to labour in our severall charges we sustaine the places of great labour travaile and expense we neglect not in publike in private in word in writing at home and abroad to put to silence and stop the mouth of the common Adversary which these men have enlarged against us and our most holy faith To conclude the thing they seeke is so prejudiciall both to the Civill state in generall and in particular to so many of the very best of the Ministery that if it should take effect but God of his mercy and the Kings most excellent Majesty in his Christian wisdome will not suffer it it would breed a strange alteration in the One and in the Other it would for the present not only impoverish us and our Universities but make both them and us and the whol Clergy very base and contemptible in the eies of our own people as also a by-word and scorne to our neighbour Nations And for succeeding ages it would cut off all hope of a learned Ministery and of that grounded learning which as yet is and heretofore hath been the glory and honour of this kingdome For manifestation of this point look upon the face of all the reformed Churches in the world and wheresoever the desire of these Petitioners doth take place be it duly considered first how well their proceedings do suit with the state of a Monarchy And then how poverty on the one side and lack of learning on the other doth creep upon the whole Clergy in those Dominions As to the first would it not beseem the supereminent authority and Regal person of a King to be himself confined within the limits of some particular parish then to subject his soveraigne power to the pure Apostolicall simplicity of an over-swaying and all-commanding Presbytery Would it not do him much good in a time of need that his people should be rooted and grounded in this truth viz. That his meeke and humble Clergy have power to bind their King in chaines and their Prince in lincks of iron that is in their learning to censure him to enjoyn him penance to excommunicate him yea in case they see cause to proceed against him as a tyrant We speake not here of other points as namely that all appeales in causes Ecclesiasticall and what doe they not make Ecclesiasticall must finally lie not unto the Prince but unto the Assembly Provinciall That they alow the supreme Magistrate not potestatem juris but only facti while they make him the maintainer of their proceedings but no commander in them These and the like are but petty abridgments of the Praerogative Royall while yet the King a T.C. l. 1. p. 180 submits his Scepter unto the Scepter of Christ and licks the dust of the Churches feete Neither may it be truely said that these are only Speculations There are some of high place yet alive and other some are dead that have felt the smart hereof in their own experience and have seen the worst of all this put in wofull execution As to the second Do we not see it at this day verified among them which hath been so often truly said and as often unadvisedly denied that honos alit artes and contrariwise where due reward of learning and liberal maintenance of the Ministery is fraudulently impaired or injuriously taken away b Ecclesias difcipl pag. 114. there Religion and learning com to decay There Atheisme and Barbarisme and confusion must needs ensue It is too aparent that as
the revenues of those Churches have been embeazled by men of corrupt mindes Psal 83.11 which said in their hearts as it is in the Psalme Let us take to our selves the houses of God in possession so the remainder of that grounded learning which was bred up in former times is now through succession of time almost cleane worne out Nec bona tam sequitur quam bona prima fuit Insomuch that there is neither sufficient maintenance in those parts for any store of excellēt learned men nor yet many men brought up among them in this last reforming age worthy of that wonted honorable maintenance God knows we speak not this with a detracting Spirit but with grief of heart to see the ruines of the Ministery in particular and generaly of all profound learning in other reformed Churches As likewise to stirre up this whol nation to a thankfull acknowledgment of that singular blessing in this behalfe which God of his goodnes hath long and yet doth continue unto us of this Realm And withall to put to silence the malicious ingratitude of those evill men which looking upon us this Church through the colourd glasse of their prejudicate opinions can see nothing among us but defects and deformities and abuses and enormities and the like And therfore in their high discretion would have us reduced and made conformable to the calamities of other places Whereas in truth if we shall bring back the eyes of our minds from forrein parts and indifferently without either detraction or flattery take notice of the present state of this Church and Comon-wealth we shall easily discern that it were an incomparable happines for them if all that professe the truth as it is in Christ Jesus were in our condition We shall see how that our Church government is duly subordinate unto the supreme civill state and withall doth mightily support the same That our reverend Prelates men of singular worth not to be matched in any one kingdom though preferred unto highest roomes doe yet contain themselves within such bounds as preserves that estate from creeping to any Papal corruptions That our inferior Clergy by their godly and painfull labors in their vocation have been and are the most effectuall meanes to settle the tranquility of this land by inducing mens minds to Piety towards God Loyalty to their King and civill honesty among themselves That our people generally excepting some few malecontents of all sorts whom wee leave to the mercy of the Magistrate are inured unto Peace accustomed to subjection detest disloyalty and with all alacrity yeeld their obedience unto their Soveraign That the Colledges the Cathedrall-Churches Saravia de facrilegiis ca. 9. the Bishops and other Ministers of this land have yet remaining unto them yet after the many and great spoyles of this Church which notwithstanding never prospered with them that got them but were as rust to the rest of their silver and their gold or as a Canker that fretted out themselves their posterity or their possessions that yet there is remaining unto them more competent and sufficient maintenance more comfortable and honorable encouragements then there are to all other reformed Churches in Christendom That answerable therunto to stop that mouth of iniquity which is wont to traduce us for a dumbe unlearned Idoll Ministery there are at this day more learned men in this Land in this one kingdom 1 Cor. 9. 2 Cor. 13. then are to bee found among all the Ministers of the Religion in France Flanders Germany Poland Denmarke Geneva Scotland or to speake in a word all Europe besides Which yet may not justly be imputed to us for vanity the Apostle that knew how to be abased and to make himselfe of no reputation yet when the impeaching of his personall gifts was abused to the disgrace of his calling did without either arrogancy or folly give his Detractors plainly and roundly to understand that he was not inferior to the chief Apostles nay that hee labored more then they all and so by his own just defence cōmendation did free himself his worth and his vocation from their base and odious imputations In a like case we doubt not a truth may be averred of our selves even by our selves without any ostentation at all when it is so injuriously impeached trodden under foote to the high dishonor of God the disgrace of his Gospell and to the slander of this most Christian Comon-wealth Psal 47.10 Yea the rich mercies that God hath continued unto us these 45 yeeres ought to replenish our hearts with joy and that our lips should break forth with thankfulnes sing Non facit taliter omni natione neither have the Regions round about vs been made partakers of the like blessings Now the father of Mercies and God of all Consolation enlarge the wise and understanding heart of our thrice noble King noble in byrth noble in wisdom noble in all manner of good learning assist him ever with his holy Spirit the spirit of Councell of Sanctification and of Truth make him admirable in the swaying of this Scepter as was Salomon in all the world as long as he walked in the first way of his father David That so hee may long weare this mortall Crown in all abundance of piety peace and prosperity and hereafter obtaine that immortall Crown that Christ hath purchased for them which by continuance in well doing seeke glory and honor and immortality FINIS
The humble PETITION OF THE MINISTERS Of the Church of England desiring Reformation of certain Ceremonies and abuses of the Church with the ANSWER Of the Vicechancelor the Doctors both the Proctours and other the Heads of Houses in the Vniversity of OXFORD Printed Anno 1641. To the Kings most Excellent Maiestie The humble Petition of the Ministers of the Church of England desiring Reformation of certain Ceremonies and abuses of the Church MOst Gracious and dread Sovereigne seeing it hath pleased the divine Majesty to the great comfort of all good Christians to advance your Highnesse according to your just title to the peaceable government of this Church and Commonwealth of England wee the Ministers of the Gospell in this Land neither as factious men affecting a popular Paritie in the Church nor as Schismaticks ayming at the dissolution of the State Ecclesiasticall but as the faithfull servants of Christ and loyall subjects to your Majestie desiring and longing for the redresse of divers abuses of the Church could do no lesse in our obedience to God service to your Majesty love to his Church then acquaint your Princely Majesty with our particular griefs For as your Princely pen writeth The King as a good Physician must first know what peccant humours his patient naturally is most subject unto before hee can begin his cure And although divers of us that sue for Reformation have formerly in respect of the times subscribed to the book some upon Protestation some upon exposition given them some with condition rather then the Church should have beene deprived of their labour and Ministery yet now we to the number of more then a Thousand of your Majesties Subiects and Ministers all groaning as under a common burden of humane Rites and Ceremonies do with one joynt consent humble our selves at your Majesties feet to be eased and relieved in this behalf Our humble suit then unto your Maiesty is that these offences following some may be removed some amended some qualified 1 In the Church Service That the Crosse in Baptisme Interrogatories ministred to Infants Confirmation as superfluous may be taken away Baptisme not to be ministred by Women and so explaned The Cap and Surplice not urged That examination may goe before the Communion That it be ministred with a Sermon That divers terms of Priests and Absolution and some other used with the Ring in Marriage and other such like in the book may be corrected The long-somnesse of service abridged Church-songs and Musick moderated to better edification That the Lords day be not prophaned The rest upon Holydayes not so strictly urged That there may be an uniformity of doctrine prescribed No Popish opinion to be any more taught or defended No Ministers charged to teach their people to bow at the Name of Jesus That the Canonicall Scriptures onely be read in the Church 2 Concerning Church Ministers That none hereafter be admitted into the Ministery but able and sufficient men and those to preach diligently and especially upon the Lords day That such as be already entred and cannot preach may either be removed and some charitable course taken with them for their reliefe or else to be forced according to the value of their livings to maintain Preachers That Non-residency be not permitted That King Edwards Statute for the lawfulnesse of Ministers marriage be revived That Ministers be not urged to subscribe but according to the Law to the Articles of Religion and the Kings Supremacy onely 3 For Churchlivings and maintenance That Bishops leave their Commendams some holding Prebends some Parsonages some Vicarages with their Bishopricks That double-beneficed men be not suffered to hold some two some three Benefices with Cure and some two three or foure dignities besides That Impropriations annexed to Bishopricks and Colleges be demised only to the Preachers Incumbents for the old Rent That the Impropriations of Laymens fee may be charged with a sixt or seventh part of the worth to the mayntenance of the preaching Minister 4 For Church Discipline That the Discipline and Excommunication may be administred according to Christs own institution Or at the least that enormities may be redressed As namely That Excommunication come not forth under the name of lay persons Chancellours Officials c. That men be not excommunicated for trifles and twelve peny matters That none be excommunicated without consent of his Pastor That the Officers be not suffered to extort unreasonable fees That none having jurisdiction or Register places put out the same to farm That divers Popish Canons as for restraint of marriage at certain times be reversed That the longsomnesse of suits in Ecclesiasticall courts which hang sometime two three foure five six or seven years may be restrained That the Oath ex Officio whereby men are forced to accuse themselves be more sparingly used That licenses for mariage without Banes asked be more cautiously granted These with such other Abuses yet remayning and practised in the Church of England we are able to shew not to be agreeable to the Scriptures if it shall please your Highnesse further to heare us or more at large by writing to be enformed or by conference among the learned to be resolved And yet we doubt not but that without any farther processe your Majesty of whose Christian judgement we have received so good a tast already is able of your selfe to judge of the equity of this cause God wee trust hath appointed your Highnesse our Physician to heale these diseases And we say with Mordecay to Hester who knoweth whether you are come to the Kingdome for such a time Thus your Majesty shall do that which we are perswaded shall be acceptable to God honorable to your Majestie in all succeeding ages profitable to his Church which shall be thereby encreased comfortable to your Ministers which shall be no more suspended silenced disgraced imprisoned for mens traditions and prejudiciall to none but to those that seeke their own quiet credit and profit in the World Thus with all dutifull submission referring our selves to your Majesties pleasure for your gracious answer as God shall direct you we most humbly recommend your Highnesse to the divine Majesty whom we beseech for Christ his sake to dispose your royall heart to doe herein what shall be to his glory the good of his Church and your endlesse comfort Your Majesties most humble Subjects The Ministers of the Gospell that desire not a disorderly Innovation but a due and godly Reformation The Answer of the Vicechancelor the Doctours both the Proctours and other the Heads of Houses in the Vniversity of OXFORD To the Petition of the Ministers of the Church of England desiring Reformation In their Petition there are three principall parts 1 A Preface 2 A Complaint consisting of foure speciall points In every of them they desire that certain Ceremonies and Abuses may be some of them removed some amended some qualified 3 A Conclusion For answer whereunto 1 In Generall WE most humbly beseech his
most excellent Majesty that it may be considered how inconvenient and unsufferable it is in Christian policie to permit a long and well setled state of government to be so much as questioned much more to be a Ipsa mutatio consuctud nis ctiam quae adjuvat utilitate novitate perturbat August ad I anuar ep 118. cap. 5. altered for a few of his subjects especially considering the matter pretended to be the cause of these mens grief and of their desired Reformation unjustly so called For it is either the Ceremonies of the Church or Abuses in the Church as they alleage Wherein wee humbly recommend to his Princely remembrance First concerning Ceremonies that they are either superstitious and then no ways to be admitted Of which sort it should seem by the Petitioners and we are ready to prove that the Ceremonies of our Church are not Because these men confesse that in respect of the times they did subscribe unto them or if they were such with what coÌ„science did they subscribe in respect of the times Or else things in themselves indifferent And then the supream Christian Magistrate hath lawfull b Melan. in 13 ad Rom. Peccatum mortale est violare edicta Magistrat c. Heming in Syntag c. de Adiaph Qui violat Ecclesiasticam politiam peccat multis modis c. Bez. Epist. 24. ad artic 7. authoritie to forbid and wee must forbeare to command and wee must obey not onely for feare but for conscience sake Of which kind if these Ceremonies be as we will justifie and they cannot deny where is then their pretended obedience Where is their applause of his Majesties peaceable government Why doe they trouble both Church Commonwealth in respect of matters which in duty and conscience they may well and ought willingly to submit themselves unto Secondly concerning Abuses be it considered first of what quality they are secondly of what degree 1 Touching the nature or quality of them whether they are in the very Constitutions of our Church or rather in the Execution of the said Constitutions If not in the Constitutions themselves as when wee descend to the particulars it will appeare there is no cause why the government should be changed or these men suffered thus to calumniate the State wherein there is nothing Positive that is worthy of blame If in the Execution which as we will not absolutely deny so these men cannot easily prove that may be remedied by amending or removing of some certain offendors without alteration of the State 2 Touching the degree or grievousnesse of these abuses whether in the constitution as they suppose and we deny or in the Execution which simply and in every particular c Calv. adv Anab art 2. Vtrique sc Cathari Donatistae in eodem errore fuerunt Quo isti somniatores Ecclesiam quaerente in qua nibd posset desiderari c. no Church in Christendome is able to justifie and yet none so much as this of ours we undertâ—…e to prove against the Thousand that maske unknown under that generality that they are not such nor so heynous as deserve this their bitter reprehension much lesse such an alteration in the Church and Common wealth as would ensue if these Petitioners might have their desire 2. In Particular Concerning the Preface We doe but note 1 WHat reckoning in truth the men doe make of just titles unto Kingdomes who favour them so d De jure reg apud Scot. De jur Magist in subd Vind. cont tyr Hotto Francog much that were wont to subject all Kin gstitles unto popular election and approbation 2 What comfort indeed the Petitioners take in the peace of his Majesties government who in the very entrance thereof by seeking this and the like dangerous alterations doe disquiet and disturbe the same Were other men as little inured to peace and subjection it might occasion some inconvenience 3 Howsoever in words they decline the imputation of factious men affecting popular parity in the Church and of Schismaticks ayming at the dissolution of the state Ecclesiasticall yet it is too well known in this Kingdome and by experience it hath been felt in that of e 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 pag. 39.40 41 c. Scotland what manner of men they be as also what have been the lamentable effects of their Reformation there and would have been likewise here had not the prudent foresight and constant resolution of our late gracious Sovereigne continually repressed their attempts 4 These men might have performed better Their obedience to God their service to his Majesty their love to his Church as in the particulars will appeare if they had forborn to trouble his Majesty the Church of God and this Common-wealth with these their causelesse griefs and discontentments They have thereby made such a breach as will not easily without much wisdome and patience be cured For what are these men that they should assume so much or what are the whole Clergy of England besides that they should be so abased and contemned 5 That which they alleage out of his Highnesse 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is a childish fallacy absurdly taking that for granted which is the mayn question They must prove and not assume that these are the peccant humours of this Church which in truth is the f Iuel Apo. 170 Accessimus quantum maxime potuimus ad Ecclesiam Apost c. Et 46. Ea omnia quae aut superstitiosa c. Aut cum sacris literis pugnantia aut etiam sobriis hominibus indigna c. prorsus sine ulla exceptione repudiavimus least peccant of any in the World and would be much lesse peccant if it were cleane purged of these unquiet and malecontented humours 6 That diverse of them have formerly subscribed to the booke as skornfully they tearme it doth manifestly evince that either our Liturgie is justifiable themselves being Judges or els that they did liberally dispence with their own consciences which is not the part of honest men To doe that in respect of the times which in it selfe is not lawful proveth little lesse then hypocrisie to alledge unknowne Protestations expositions and Conditions in their subscription doth argue no sincerity and upon due examination will fall out to be nothing but meere falsitie 7 As for their labours in the Ministery be they such as they are This Church of England had been happy if it had not beene troubled with their factious Sermons and g Mart. Mar. P. Miles monop Hay any work and the rest of that spirit scurrile Pamphlets which have given the Adversary much matter of advantage distracted the minds of many weake ones and quite turned some other from the love of the Truth 8 The number of more then a Thousand is but a vizard which we humbly intreat may be pulled from their faces that we may see and know the men that thus groane under the yoke of a Christian and commendable government which
not urging of a conformity in Church discipline is to to set open the high way to all disorder and Confusion 3. Concerning Church maintenance 1 THat Bishops leave their Commēdams In case some of the ancient revenue might be restored to their Bishopricks he were utterly unworthy to be a Bishop that would desire a Commendam But as now the most of them are impaired to take away from all Bishops all manner of Commendams is in truth to tie the Kings hands that he shall not be able though he would and where he will not no Commendam can be given to make his most faithfull servants or other men of best desert in the Ministery able to maintain their places and callings by his Majesties favor and gracious dispensation when otherwise their Bishopricks are not sufficient so to doe So as if it be well wayed they doe not so much intend in this particular to impoverish some few Bishops as indeed utterly to overthrow them and generally to restraine the Kings Prerogative 2 Of the same nature is that which followeth For no man except he be the Kings Chaplaine may hold three Benefices with Cure and those of his Highnesse own gift So that here also they desire to limit the Kings favour Againe it is not known that there be five in all this Land that hold three such Benefices And then what good dealing is this in the Petitioners to make the world beleeve that it is a common fault which is scarce to be found in a few 3 Their disposing of Impropriations The Ecclesi asticall discipl pag. 114. doth notably bewray their lacke of Conscience their little love to learning and Religion their temporizing and fitting their motions to the Laieties good liking For who seeth not that it would be the certain overthrow and utter ruine of Bishopricks Colledges and Cathedrall Churches if their Impropriations should be demised to Vicars or Curats the Incumbents at the old rent without fine without improvement Againe who be they and how many that by this meanes would be provided for A few and those the meanest of the Clergy But the inconveniences that would hereof ensue are very many and intolerable Therfore we reserve that discourse to a fit opportunity On the other side who doth not know that for a Lay-man to hold an impropriation which is a Tithe is originally unlawfull and cleane contrary to the first institution Yet these men in all their purity zeale and conscience can content themselves and their preaching Incumbents with the seventh part onely of an Impropriation in a Lay-mans fee. 4 Are these all or the best meanes that a Thousand mē such as they would be reputed can propose to his Highnesse for the bettering of the Church maintenance If we might know that it would stand with his Majesties good liking and should not be imputed unto us as a breach of duty It were very possible that the men whom they so much contemne would be able to propose some other course for the bettring of the Church maintenance with out the alteration or injurie of any other state 4 Concerning Church Discipline 1 UNder the name of their Discipline we have bin hertofore taught by these men to understand The kingdom of Christ upon earth A thing of no lesse importance then the d Eccles Disci pag. 13. T.C. Epist to the Church of England Gospell of Christ Jesus An essentiall part of the Gospell A matter of faith to be received upon paine of damnation An essentiall marke of the true Church without the which our Church was no Church our faith no faith our Gospell no Gospell c. And it is now come to be so indifferent that it may bee administred accordingly Or else at the least that these enormities may be redressed Will it now suffer such an Or else at the least Were we perswaded that their Discipline their Presbytery the life and being of their Discipline were indeed of Christs institution were we perswaded it were a part of Gods Word an essentiall part of his Word could we be contented to bee without it Could wee content our selves to live any where but under it Would we not redeem it with much perill and paine With certain losse And that willingly But the experience that his most excellent Maiesty hath had of the manifold mischiefs and miseries that attend their pretended Discipline doth make them not dare to speake plainly for it They therefore faulter in seeking to obtain that which yet in heart they do affect and specially desire But to these Enormities these heinous Enormities Is it not well that now at length these quick-sighted men can espie no fouler Enormities in our Church government Enormities 1 THAT Excommunication come not forth under the name of Lay persons First it may truly be said that though it did come forth under the name of a Chancellour or a Commissary yet came it not forth under the name of Lay persons For a Chancellor or a Commissary is not a Lay-man in this case The Ordinary and He are but Vnus Judex Or rather whatsoever the Chancellor doth in this behalfe he doth it in the authority of the Ordinary according to the power that is committed unto him A thing not unusuall in the Civill state wherein the Lord Chancellor doth dispose of many things which are originally in the Crown and againe writeth Teste meipso unto many particulars that never passe by bill assigned Secondly No Lay-Chancelor or Comissary whatsoever doth at any time excommunicate any man or sendeth out in his own name any excōmmunication But this is the practice of the Church of England In e Const Eccle. 1597. cap. de Excess circa Excom refor the censuring of notorious and more grievous crimes the Arch-Bp the Bishop the Deane the Arch-deacon or a Prebendary that is a Priest pronounceth the sentence of Excōmunication in his own person And in matters of lesse offence as contumacy in not appearing and the like the Vicar-generall Officiall or Comissary that is not in holy orders holdeth this course First upon knowledg and examination of the cause he adjudgeth the party worthy to be excommunicated then the Minister associated unto him by expresse authority from the Ordinary doth pronounce the sentence of Excommunication against him Lastly the Chancellor sendeth to the Pastor of the Parish where that party dwelleth requiring him publikely to declare the said party to be a person excommunicated by the sentence of the Minister his associate And all this according to the forme of the Articles set forth by her Majesties authority Anno 1597. Thirdly are not these execellent Enormity makers that can finde such an Enormity in the Name of a Layman in whose name notwithstanding the excommunication never commeth forth when yet if it did come forth in his name the nature of the thing it selfe is such as justly cannot be reproved They are not ignorant that excommunication doth proceed as is afore-said if not in the name yet in