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A41786 The quæries examined, or, Fifty anti-queries seriously propounded to the people called Presbyterians Occasioned by the publication of Fifty queries, gathered out of the works of Mr. Rich. Baxter. By J. B. Wherein the principal allegations usually brought to support infant-baptism are discovered to be insufficient. By T. G. Grantham, Thomas, 1634-1692. 1676 (1676) Wing G1543A; ESTC R223637 27,933 56

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jerusalem_n shall_v have_v infant-member_n and_o the_o church_n at_o rome_n shall_v have_v none_o that_o the_o jew_n infant_n shall_v be_v member_n and_o not_o gentile_n if_o the_o jew_n be_v break_v off_o by_o unbelief_n shall_v they_o not_o be_v graff_v in_o again_o upon_o their_o repentance_n of_o faith_n and_o so_o shall_v not_o every_o repent_a believe_a jew_n infant_n be_v church-member_n or_o otherwise_o how_o will_v their_o graft_n in_o answer_n to_o their_o break_n off_o shall_v they_o be_v but_o in_o part_n graff_v in_o baptist_n antiqu._n 26._o whether_o it_o be_v not_o a_o great_a mistake_n to_o say_v that_o christ_n come_v to_o make_v the_o jew_n and_o gentile_n one_o church_n otherwise_o then_o by_o take_v away_o the_o jewish_a church_n and_o make_v all_o thing_n new_a 2_o cor._n 5._o 17._o etc._n etc._n and_o whether_o this_o may_v not_o be_v do_v without_o settle_v any_o of_o the_o practical_a ordinance_n upon_o infant_n as_o under_o the_o law_n if_o otherwise_o why_o have_v you_o not_o show_v we_o where_o christ_n have_v require_v parent●_n to_o get_v their_o infant_n baptize_v and_o where_o he_o forbid_v they_o to_o be_v bring_v to_o imposition_n of_o hand_n the_o table_n of_o the_o lord_n etc._n etc._n if_o the_o denial_n of_o the_o first_o make_v our_o infant_n no_o member_n of_o the_o church_n do_v not_o your_o denial_n of_o the_o other_o two_o which_o do_v as_o general_o pertain_v to_o member_n of_o the_o church_n make_v you_o none_o also_o and_o if_o the_o church_n at_o jerusalem_n rome_n etc._n etc._n have_v any_o infant-member_n therein_o in_o the_o sense_n wherein_o you_o will_v have_v they_o member_n why_o do_v you_o not_o name_v some_o one_o infant_n so_o make_v a_o member_n since_o you_o know_v it_o will_v suffice_v wherhe_a if_o the_o jew_n graft_v in_o must_v in_o all_o point_n answer_v to_o their_o break_n off_o their_o infant_n must_v not_o come_v to_o other_o ordinance_n as_o well_o as_o baptism_n or_o will_v you_o say_v infant_n can_v partake_v with_o their_o parent_n of_o salvation_n without_o baptism_n or_o whether_o be_v the_o infant_n of_o the_o jew_n expose_v to_o damnation_n by_o their_o parent_n unbelief_n and_o if_o so_o what_o be_v become_v of_o all_o their_o infant_n ever_o since_o presbyterian_a query_n 27._o be_v not_o christ_n church_n spiritual_a before_o his_o incarnation_n when_o it_o take_v in_o infant_n and_o gather_v in_o a_o spiritual_a way_n be_v not_o ●he_n visible_a frame_n of_o the_o jewish_a church_n set_v up_o and_o erect_v by_o the_o father_n of_o spirit_n and_o be_v not_o spiritual_a duty_n command_v then_o upon_o promise_n of_o spiritual_a blessing_n even_o lise_fw-fr eternal_a how_o will_v any_o prove_v that_o it_o be_v a_o blemish_n to_o the_o old_a frame_n that_o infant_n be_v member_n what_o be_v the_o church_n the_o worse_a for_o infant_n right_n if_o it_o be_v no_o blemish_n why_o must_v it_o be_v do_v away_o baptist_n antiqu._n 27._o though_o it_o be_v true_a that_o christ_n church_n be_v always_o spiritual_a in_o some_o measure_n and_o his_o service_n such_o also_o yet_o whether_o it_o be_v not_o also_o true_a that_o the_o church_n under_o the_o law_n of_o moses_n be_v carnal_a in_o respect_n of_o the_o spirituality_n of_o the_o church_n under_o the_o gospel_n do_v not_o the_o apostle_n say_v 2_o cor._n 3._o these_o two_o ministration_n differ_v as_o much_o as_o letter_n and_o spirit_n differ_v and_o that_o the_o glory_n of_o the_o one_o have_v no_o glory_n in_o respect_n of_o the_o glory_n which_o excel_v and_o be_v it_o not_o then_o rational_a that_o the_o church_n concern_v under_o these_o ministration_n respective_o shall_v differ_v aecord_o and_o though_o it_o be_v no_o blemish_n to_o the_o jewish_a church_n to_o have_v infant_n partaker_n of_o their_o ordinance_n which_o be_v call_v carnal_a yet_o whether_o it_o be_v not_o a_o more_o perfect_a state_n when_o the_o church_n do_v al●_n know_v god_n from_o the_o least_o to_o the_o great_a of_o they_o and_o whether_o this_o be_v not_o the_o state_n of_o the_o church_n under_o the_o gospel_n according_a to_o god_n appointment_n heb._n 8._o 10_o 11_o 12_o 13._o and_o whether_o that_o which_o be_v less_o perfect_a ought_v not_o to_o vanish_v away_o when_o that_o which_o be_v more_o perfect_a be_v come_v in_o that_o he_o say_v a_o new_a covenant_n he_o have_v make_v the_o first_o old_a now_o that_o which_o decay_v and_o wax_v old_a be_v ready_a to_o vanish_v away_o heb._n 8._o 13._o presbyterian_a query_n 28._o in_o what_o regard_n be_v the_o new_a frame_n better_o suppose_v the_o cast_n out_o of_o infant_n which_o be_v in_o the_o old_a how_o do_v infant_n relation_n detract_v from_o its_o spirituality_n do_v not_o the_o adult_n come_v in_o by_o ●he_v same_o kind_n of_o consent_n for_o themselves_o as_o they_o make_v for_o their_o infant_n and_o do_v not_o the_o adult_n blemish_v the_o church_n with_o more_o carnal_a sin_n than_o infant_n do_v will_v any_o kingdom_n be_v more_o excellent_a if_o all_o infant_n be_v disfranchise_v do_v not_o nature_n teach_v all_o kingdom_n on_o earth_n to_o take_v they_o f●r_n member_n though_o but_o infant-member_n baptist_n antiqu._n 28._o whether_o it_o be_v necessary_a to_o say_v infant_n be_v cast_v out_o of_o that_o whereof_o they_o be_v never_o possess_v to_o wit_n the_o use_n of_o ordinance_n in_o the_o new_a frame_n of_o the_o church_n or_o how_o can_v infant_n be_v say_v to_o be_v a_o spiritual_a seed_n how_o be_v they_o live_v stone_n build_v up_o a_o spiritual_a house_n to_o offer_v spiritual_a sacrifice_n in_o a_o gospel_n sense_n or_o how_o be_v your_o infant_n a_o more_o spiritual_a seed_n then_o our_o infant_n and_o whether_o any_o other_o be_v by_o christ_n order_n to_o partake_v in_o gospel-ordinance_n than_o such_o as_o therein_o worship_n god_n spiritual_o and_o whether_o hence_o it_o be_v not_o clear_a that_o the_o way_n of_o make_v infant_n church-member_n do_v not_o detract_v from_o the_o spirituality_n of_o the_o new_a frame_n of_o the_o church_n also_o where_o have_v god_n require_v the_o adult_n to_o consent_v for_o their_o insant_fw-fr church_n membership_n in_o this_o new_a frame_n and_o whether_o the_o comparison_n between_o a_o earthly_a kingdom_n and_o the_o ghurch_n of_o christ_n be_v any_o way_n fit_v see_v infant_n have_v as_o much_o need_n of_o the_o privilege_n of_o humane_a law_n for_o the_o preservation_n of_o their_o life_n and_o right_n as_o grow_v person_n but_o how_o stand_v they_o in_o need_n of_o the_o law_n of_o the_o church_n and_o particular_o baptism_n for_o the_o preservation_n of_o their_o soul_n and_o whether_o this_o similitude_n may_v not_o be_v emprove_v against_o you_o see_v infant_n though_o member_n of_o kingdom_n yet_o be_v excuse_v from_o all_o duty_n personal_a wbatsoever_o and_o then_o why_o may_v they_o not_o be_v repute_v of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o god_n and_o yet_o exempt_a from_o the_o duty_n of_o his_o kingdom_n or_o how_o come_v they_o to_o be_v concern_v so_o much_o in_o that_o one_o duty_n of_o baptism_n and_o no_o other_o whatsoever_o presbyterian_a query_n 29._o whether_o any_o jew_n at_o age_n be_v a_o member_n of_o the_o old_a church_n without_o profess_v faith_n in_o the_o article_n then_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n repentance_n and_o obedience_n and_o wherein_o the_o suppose_a new_a call_n and_o frame_n do_v in_o this_o differ_v from_o the_o old_a save_v only_o that_o a_o more_o full_a and_o express_a revelation_n of_o christ_n require_v a_o more_o full_a express_a faith_n be_v it_o not_o evident_a that_o they_o be_v to_o profess_v consent_n to_o god_n covenant_n which_o who_o so_o deny_v asa_n will_v put_v to_o death_n and_o be_v not_o circumcision_n a_o covenant_a act_n and_o do_v they_o not_o thereby_o prosess_v to_o take_v god_n for_o their_o god_n or_o will_v god_n else_o have_v take_v they_o for_o his_o people_n and_o will_v not_o renounce_v god_n have_v cut_v they_o off_o baptist_n antiqu._n 29._o what_o be_v become_v now_o of_o your_o infant_n church-membership_a if_o when_o grow_v up_o they_o cease_v to_o be_v member_n upon_o that_o account_n be_v the_o jew_n infant_n twice_o make_v member_n of_o their_o church_n or_o be_v every_o renew_v the_o covenant_n as_o in_o the_o case_n of_o asa_n make_v man_n member_n of_o the_o church_n but_o where_o do_v the_o church_n ever_o admit_v one_o member_n to_o her_o communion_n by_o baptism_n without_o profession_n or_o where_o do_v she_o ever_o decree_n that_o those_o who_o will_v not_o submit_v to_o her_o new_a frame_n shall_v be_v put_v to_o death_n and_o whether_o in_o this_o the_o new_a frame_n of_o the_o church_n do_v not_o great_o differ_v from_o the_o old_a presbyterian_a query_n 30._o whether_o god_n law_n oblige_v not_o person_n to_o devote_v themselves_o and_o their_o infant_n to_o
god_n by_o consent_v to_o god_n covenant_n for_o themselves_o and_o they_o whether_o it_o be_v not_o the_o duty_n of_o the_o israelite_n to_o engage_v and_o devote_v their_o child_n to_o god_n in_o covenant_n whether_o this_o be_v not_o evident_a from_o the_o penalty_n even_o to_o be_v cut_v off_o from_o his_o people_n annex_v for_o the_o non-performance_n and_o whether_o this_o be_v not_o as_o much_o our_o duty_n still_o do_v not_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n bind_v we_o to_o give_v to_o every_o one_o his_o own_o due_a and_o be_v not_o infant_n god_n own_o due_a do_v not_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n bind_v parent_n to_o give_v they_o up_o to_o god_n by_o acknowledge_v his_o right_n with_o a_o free_a resignation_n and_o dedication_n of_o the_o inf●n●_n to_o god_n as_o his_o own_o baptist_n antiq._n 30._o where_o be_v christian_a parent_n require_v to_o devote_v their_o child_n by_o consent_v to_o any_o covenant_n for_o they_o or_o in_o their_o stead_n as_o the_o jew_n be_v in_o matter_n of_o religion_n and_o what_o penalty_n have_v god_n impose_v on_o they_o that_o devote_v not_o their_o insant_n by_o sprinkle_v they_o as_o you_o do_v and_o whether_o we_o do_v omit_v the_o duty_n of_o devote_v our_o child_n to_o god_n in_o any_o thing_n wherein_o the_o law_n of_o god_n or_o nature_n oblige_v we_o abate_v we_o all_o what_o must_v be_v abate_v and_o who_o deny_v infant_n to_o be_v capable_a of_o infant-relation_n obligation_n or_o right_n or_o who_o oppose_v their_o be_v devote_v to_o god_n in_o their_o capacity_n and_o whether_o this_o be_v not_o a_o mere_a noise_n of_o word_n as_o if_o all_o that_o do_v not_o as_o you_o do_v do_v lay_v a_o side_n their_o care_n and_o duty_n towards_o infant_n and_o where_o be_v the_o institution_n of_o your_o public_a way_n have_v we_o not_o a_o more_o certain_a institute_v way_n to_o devote_v they_o to_o god_n by_o prayer_n and_o to_o educate_v they_o in_o his_o fear_n as_o they_o be_v capable_a than_o you_o have_v to_o cross_v or_o sprinkle_v they_o presbyterian_a query_n 31._o whether_o anabaptist_n themselves_o all_o of_o they_o that_o be_v true_o pious_a do_v not_o virtual_o though_o not_o actual_o devote_v their_o child_n to_o god_n and_o consent_n to_o their_o covenant-relation_n while_o they_o vehement_o plead_v against_o it_o baptist_n antiqu._n 31._o whether_o you_o do_v not_o great_o wrong_v yourself_o and_o those_o you_o call_v anabaptist_n in_o say_v they_o vehement_o plead_v against_o devote_v their_o child_n to_o god_n yea_o sure_a they_o do_v it_o actual_o as_o far_o as_o god_n word_n require_v and_o can_v you_o believe_v that_o there_o be_v no_o way_n to_o devote_v child_n to_o god_n but_o in_o your_o way_n how_o then_o do_v adam_n enoch_n scth_v noah_n etc._n etc._n devote_v their_o child_n to_o god_n and_o it_o will_v do_v well_o also_o if_o you_o can_v show_v we_o how_o they_o consent_v to_o any_o covenant_n for_o their_o infant_n more_o than_o we_o do_v or_o prove_v if_o you_o can_v that_o you_o yourselves_o do_v consent_n to_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n for_o your_o infant_n more_o than_o we_o who_o you_o call_v anabaptist_n do_v not_o eusebius_n pamphilius_n count_v christianity_n as_o old_a as_o adam_n l._n 1._o c._n 1._o and_o do_v not_o tertullian_n say_v enoch_n justissimum_fw-la non_fw-la circumcisum_fw-la nec_fw-la sibbatizantem_fw-la etc._n etc._n enochan_n upright_a man_n be_v translate_v by_o god_n though_o he_o be_v not_o circumcise_v neither_o yet_o do_v observe_v the_o sabba●h_n ---_o ut_fw-la aeternitas_fw-la candidatis_fw-la etc._n etc._n to_o the_o end_n that_o he_o who_o do_v aspire_v to_o eternity_n may_v show_v we_o that_o we_o may_v please_v god_n without_o the_o burden_n of_o moses_n law_n and_o what_o law_n save_o the_o la●_n of_o circumcision_n do_v ever_o require_v infant_n to_o be_v bring_v to_o practical_a ordinance_n in_o the_o church_n of_o god_n presbyterian_a query_n 32._o be_v it_o not_o a_o desperate_a undertake_n and_o dare_v any_o adventure_n on_o it_o to_o justify_v all_o the_o world_n before_o christ_n incarnation_n except_o the_o jew_n from_o the_o guilt_n of_o not_o dedicate_a their_o child_n to_o god_n and_o do_v not_o they_o that_o say_v there_o be_v no_o law_n in_o this_o case_n say_v there_o be_v no_o transgression_n a●d_a dare_v any_o in_o like_a manner_n undertake_v to_o justify_v at_o the_o bar_n of_o god_n all_o the_o world_n since_o christ_n incarnation_n from_o the_o guilt_n of_o sin_n in_o not_o dedicate_a their_o children'to_n christ_n and_o enter_v they_o into_o his_o covenant_n as_o member_n of_o his_o church_n dare_v any_o maintain_v that_o all_o the_o world_n be_v sinless_a in_o this_o respect_n baptist_n antiq._n 32._o whether_o this_o be_v not_o a_o very_a unwise_a query_n as_o if_o none_o of_o the_o father_n do_v dedicate_v their_o infant_n to_o god_n unless_o they_o bring_v they_o to_o some_o practical_a ordinance_n in_o the_o church_n which_o be_v the_o only_a thing_n you_o do_v so_o complain_v of_o and_o how_o i_o pray_v you_o do_v abraham_n isaac_n and_o jacob_n dedicate_v their_o female_a infant_n to_o god_n since_o we_o find_v no_o practical_a ordinance_n for_o they_o in_o infancy_n or_o who_o go_v about_o to_o justify_v the_o world_n if_o they_o do_v not_o as_o the_o law_n of_o god_n and_o nature_n will_v they_o to_o do_v for_o their_o infant_n and_o may_v we_o not_o well_o justify_v all_o man_n for_o not_o do_v that_o which_o the_o law_n of_o god_n never_o require_v presbyterian_a query_n 33._o be_v it_o not_o a_o great_a benefit_n and_o privilege_n to_o be_v a_o visible_a church-member_n of_o christ_n as_o head_n of_o the_o church_n and_o of_o his_o church_n as_o visible_a be_v it_o not_o abenefit_n in_o itself_o beside_o the_o consequent_n to_o be_v visible_o unite_v and_o relate_v to_o christ_n and_o his_o body_n be_v not_o such_o a_o relation_n to_o god_n the_o father_n son_n and_o holy_a ghost_n and_o to_o the_o church_n a_o honour_n and_o how_o great_a 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