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A01076	A defence of the right of kings Wherein the power of the papacie ouer princes, is refuted; and the Oath of Allegeance iustified. Written for the vse of all English romanists; more especially, for the information of those priests, or Iesuits, which are by proclamation commanded to conforme themselues, or depart the kingdome. By Edvvard Forset, Esquire.	Forset, Edward, 1553?-1630.	1624 (1624)	STC 11189; ESTC S119405	55,644	106

to haue any iurisdiction power superiority preeminence or authority Ecclesiasticall or Spirituall within this Realme if he digest this then see how one thing draweth on another all our former differences are at once and in this one compounded also for if the Pope being a forraigne Prelate or Potentate be excluded from hauing any Ecclesiasticall power or Spirituall authority within this Realme Then our question of his preheminency or jurisdiction in repressing the exorbitant and pernicious excesse of great men as an Ecclesiasticall Iudge or Supreame Pastor direct or indirect is at an end clearely determined I doubt not but his excellent Majesty of his Princely care to bring home so many lost sheepe and to bosome them againe in his dearest loue will affoord them that fauorable interpretation which this there Aduocate and Orator requireth in their behalfe In the meane space not to loose what we haue got I returne vnto P. R. the like charge of making good of his word touching the Oath of Supremacy in the sence and distinction afore mentioned and therewithall might thinke it not reasonable any further to stricke a yeelding aduersary that by so voluntary an offer cleareth the cause from any further controuersie But remembring the nature and quallity of our adversary and the many winding and intricaking trickes he is vsed vnto in the canvassing of this or the like controversies I feare that this our reconciliation is rather seeming then substanciall and will suddainly vpon a small touch fall a sunder againe to as great a discrepance for howsoeuer he doth so franckly yeeld vnto his Majesty a supremacy of the Church in Ecclesiasticall causes as touching outward preseruation onely let him be but sifted a little in his meanings it will breake from him that he neuer purposed to strengthen the state and authority of our Soueraigne with any such power of absolute defence and protection which shall presently appeare by ministring vnto him some few questions I pray you Sir what Church and what Ecclesiasticall causes doe you consent to be within the Kings Royall preseruation is it incident and appropriate to his Princely Scepter to mayntaine the religion now established in his Dominions by making Lawes for enforcing subjects to an vniforme allowance and profession thereof by punishing Recusants according to Iustice and by employing all his powers to suppresse the oppugners or Conspirators against the same Dareth he to abide by this will he henceforth justifie this preseruation and that by his religious oath which hitherto the impoy-soned pens of these Iesuited spirits haue not spared odiously to tearme a cruell persecution wee haue shaked him already from his attonement with vs in this poynt He will tell vs plainely That the Church and Ecclesiasticall cause which he authorized the Prince to protect and preserue is onely the Catholike Church and Religion and then as if orbs and vrbs were all one that the Catholike is the Romish so that vnlesse the King will turne Leigeman with a kinde of vazilage to the Sea of Rome his right of Supremacy in the outward preseruation of the Church which this man dareth assure vs that all Catholikes in England will easily accord vnto must be denied him as not due and proper to the Title of his Regality Papacy is the pole-starre of all their contemplations It is the Centure whereunto are carried and cleaueth fast all their drifts and disputations And no further shall any Prince hold power especially in Ecclesiasticall causes which are all bosomed vp in the breast of his Holinesse then the same shall serue in a sub-ordination to the advancing and exaltation of that most imperious Romish Hyerarcy Nay their temporall authority also must be kitbed stinted and subjugated by that vntollerable yoake of Popish vsurpation except it should be made plyant ranged and accommodated In ordine ad dominum Papam Then not regarding P. R. his assurance of the voluntary submissions and subscriptions of all Catholikes of England to the Kings Supremacy according to the limitation or interpretation aforesayd we may well assure our selues that no English Papists finding this supremacy of defence and preseruation to tend to the subversion and extirpation of their idolatrous Religion will euer yeelde oath to keepe fayth thereunto Yet hauing closed with him in a full consent vnto this position that euery Prince hath Iure divino the supremacy of outward preseruation of the Church and Ecclesiasticall causes within his Territories and Dominions let it be remembred that he neuer hereafter scandalize the proceedings and execution of Iustice in England against the refractaries and treacherous oppugners of the Religion established in this Realme sith the same is the lawfull and necessary act of a well warranted and acknowledged Supremacy from which our publicke profession of Fayth is to receiue protection and preseruation I cannot but conceiue that this Clearke P. R. wil be shent and receiue some checke for his Doctrine For out of question if his Holinesse and Cardinall Bellarmine haue enkindled their displeasures against Mr. Blackwell the Arch-Priest for allowing the Oath of Alleagiance which contayneth onely an acknowledgment of the hereditary rights of temporall Soueraignity whereunto naturall duty in respect of relation doth bind each subject How much more heynously will it be taken that this Arch-Iesuite as if both their Arches had slipped from them at once should so confidently condiscend to this artickle of Spirituall Supremacy in the sence qualification or moderation before expressed He cannot escape the blame of forgetting or forsaking of his principles neyther can he euer salue his offence by any wily Interpretation or beguiling distinction His direct and indirect his absolute and conditionall his mediate and immediate his simpliciter and secundum quid or quatenus and the like which in all his discoursiue argumenting doth make his way for him through many Obstacles whilst he treadeth out vnto vs his maze of Circuler shifts and manifold euasions can touching this his confession or protestation haue no place or serue him to any stead because knowing aforehand how the case standeth in euery circumstanciall or considerable perticularity he hath to the King of England within his seuerall Dominions adjudged the Supreame gouernment of causes Ecclesiasticall as in the office and care of preseruing the Church with the fayth and Doctrine thereof from all wronges or corruptions Forraigne or Domesticall I encroach not vppon him by inferences and constructions I onely take that which he so fully and clearely gyueth and do challenge him that what he hath deliuered vnto vs for his judgement and resolution and that in high termes and vanting and flaunting of his aduantages therein He will notwithstanding any reprehension or retreite from the Pope or Bellarmine still with the like brauery and constancy mayntaine vnto the end but shall I disclose a secret or rather a wonder vnto the World What if the very same Author who so boldly assumeth and assureth at this time for all Catholikes the Title of Spirituall Supremacy

the heart of man at the Creation so was it also reduced and comprised by the Wisedome of God into the Tables of the Morall Law in the which for as much as we haue an expresse commandement of honor and obedience to gouernors that must remaine fixed in our hearts to hold vs firme in the Bond of allegiance Then let P. R. and all his conjoyned Catholikes as hee vaunteth make it plaine vnto vs that eyther Nature hath implanted or the Commandements of God haue enioyned therepressing or deposing of such Princes vppon any exceptions surmizes or accusations whatsoeuer As for the Law of Nations because that is but secundary and derivatiue from the other what hath beene averred of the one holdeth the same respect and certainty as doth the roote it selfe from whence it issueth yet before wee depart from this Argument of Natures working I haue to note that this cunning and curious Composer of Bookes and Contriuer of cases doth in this his chiefe proposition worke himselfe quite out of the question and putteth the Pope cleane out of the doores for the question being of the power of the Pope that is of the power authority and iurisdiction of a Forraine Commander and Iudge he telleth vs that God and Nature hath left some sufficient authority in euery Common-wealth c. which directly maketh the Popes preheminency with vs altogether needelesse and a very nullity sith by his owne sayings and that more agreeable to reason there is sufficient authority within the Land not requiring any his 〈◊〉 or vsurpations to the gouerning of that body which is of it selfe compleate and liueth by the vigor spirit and powerfull opperation of his owne soule his lawfull Soueraigne Thus is the Pope as touching the first reason drawne from the Law or Right of Nature or Nations either left out by him or cast out by me from repressing of Princes or 〈◊〉 himselfe within these our Countries or Territories The second reason bringeth a better Commission that will make way through all repugnances it is inforced in the name and authority of Christ himselfe and it is thus chayned together for impregnable strength Christ was to found is Common-wealth of Christians the farre more perfection then other states had before been establishe subjecting temporall things to spirituall and appointing a Supreame Vniuersall gouernour in the same with a generall charge to looke to all his sheepe without exception of great or small people or Potentates Therefore hee inferreth that the Supreame care iudgement direction and censure of the matter in question was left by Christ vnto the sayd Supreame 〈◊〉 or Pastor of his Church and Common-wealth But it was doubted whether this power was committed to the supreame Pastor directly and immediatly or indirectly and by consequence The Canonists out of the Commission vnto St. Peter Pose ones meas do hold the direct and immediate authority charge and ouersight in temporallities The Catholike Diuines vpon whom the brunt and pressure by 〈◊〉 must bee sayed haue thought it safer to chuse the indirect and consequentiall which they expresse in this manner When the gouernment of spirituall affaires is impugned by any temporall Gouernors so as the sayd spirituall Commission cannot be executed without redresse or remedy 〈◊〉 and in such cases the said Supreame Pastor is to haue authority to proceede against the temporall gouernors Also for the defence and preseruation of his spirituall charge but both parts fully are agreed that there is such authority left by Christ in his Church for remedy of vrgent causes otherwise he should not haue sufficiently prouided for the necessity thereof Here is goodly building of Castles in the ayre Castles did I say Nay of the Tower of Babell in the steede of the City of God Christ sayth hee was to found his Common-wealth of Christians in farre more perfection then other states c. why Christs intentions erections and perfections were all to saue sinners and to bring them vnto Heauen what proofe is this that hee was to found the Popish Hyerarchy or the Antichristian Monarchy and what is this farre more perfection c. Is it an outward pompe or power to chayne and fetter Princes vnder a temporall obedience of a Spirituall Vsurper What is this same subjecting of temporall things to spirituall is it to make a Minister or Bishop of Heauenly matters tyrannous and rampant ouer the temperall states setting their imperiall feete vppon the neckes of Lyons and Dragons what is the nature end and eminency of the spirituall Kingdome of Christ is it any other then the Preaching of the Gospell the way of salvation and the possessing of euerlasting life Then what straightnesse what extractions doth the Limbeckes of their braines bewitched with temporall vanities make of a worldly rule and Dominion He was to appoint one Supreame and 〈◊〉 Gouernor c. we on the other side constantly denying this their principle doe easily bring them to the end of their wits yet wee will pocket vp one confession in this place which hee is likely to forsake and not acknowledge another time In more perfection sayth hee then other states had before beene established acknowledging thereby that vnder the Law and in the old Testament the temporall was not subject to the spirituall Hath hee not well collected and conected his propositions to bring out this grand conclusion of superiority ouer Princes doth he not neede a distinction of proofe to make these parts that cleaue like sand to hold together against the breach which wee are to make vppon him His distinction of direct or indirect shal be directly anoyded and his great Mace which hee beareth vp in his March of state of Ordine ad Deum must bee directed and ordered to a better sence and his commission of pasce shall bee examined how farre it can authorize him to assume the pretented power If hee will but thanke me for it I will befriend him a little with my directions I will chalke him out his way with a straight line by the which hee must be brought and passe along if he desireth to come right vppon the conclusion I will distribute his journey into seuerall baytings or reposes otherwise called common places I doubt it will prooue a long labour and very troub esome to carry his commission along with him hee is like to venture himselfe in many straights and hazardable passages and will be often stayed by the Kings Watch but more often foundred by the rubs and roughnesse of the way which hee is to walke through He must begin and set forth at this poynt 1 That Christ purposing to found his Common-wealth of Christians in farre more perfection c. hath appoynted the same to be an absolute Monarchy vnder one supreame and vniversall Governour visible eminent and knowne as the head on earth in all causes of Christs kingdome 2 Next who that individuall person is whom Christ appointed to be such a Monarche and by what commission is he assigned thereunto and

Christian is governe his whole life and carriage by the rules of his Religion but this Disputor must narrow the signification thereof more precisely tying and applying the same onely to the articles of Payth Secondly the Popes authority must vndergoe the like distinction as themselues haue propounded vnto vs that is to say what he may doe as Pope and what he hath accustomed to doe by other acquiered titles or by meere vsurping intrusion Now then to say that euery limiting of the Popes authority whatsoeuer the same be or howsoeuer obtayned or exercised belongeth to the Articles of beleefe I for my part will neuer beleeue it and I do not thinke that any of their owne Secritaries will be so much besotted I will explayne my meaning by instances and cases of the like condition suppose that the Pope would pretend and pleade that the King doth hold of him the Crowne of this Land and therefore as Superior Lord will require homage or trybute and in default of rendering the same will invade his Dominions with sword and force If in this case the King shall for more security of his Imperiall State aske vppon Allegiance the oathes of all or any his Subjects in detestation of that claime may the Catholikes make scruple of conscience concerning such an oath because the same seemeth to limmit and abridge the Popes pretended right and authority making in the meane time no Religion of the limitting lessening and detracting from the Soveraignes Title and pre-eminence perhaps they will say that this is a question of civill right and that the Subject is cleerely bound to maintaine the Prince But how if the Pope pretend withall his Pastorall care and preservation of matters spirituall then I trust in ordine ad spiritualia his temporall attempts must bee supported by his spirituall Children against the King and Country Againe let it be conceiued that the Pope much mooued with indignation at the execution of Iustice ministred in this Kingdome against the Treacherous Conspirators of the Popish faction should vpon that gnawing grudge towards the Iudges of this Land take vpon him by solemne Censure to depriue and displace them from their Iuridiciall offices wherein though he can assume no ordinary or rightfull power yet in ordine ad spiritualia and for the generall releefe and necessity of the Catholike cause hee adventureth as from his pastorall charge to pronounce them from henceforth to be incompetent Iudges commanding all Catholikes also to reckon of them and the iudgements by them giuen Now the question is whither to make a constant asseueration that the Pope hath no such authority be vnto a Catholike conscience a poynt of Faith or Religion because of such limiting bounds disabling the Pope in his supposed sufficiency of his generall function for the good of the Church If the denying or abating of the popes authority over these inferior minifters of Iustice be not accounted cumbersome to the c̄osciences of Catholikes wherein I thinke they will make no doubt why should the abjuring of this papall power ouer our Supreame Magistrate touching the 〈◊〉 and destroying of him be thought so dangerous and damnable or repugnant to their owne Religion will Religion allow him more liberty against the highest then against the meaner Substitutes or if hee haue such a Rule ouer Princes themselues why not also ouer the Subordinate Officers of the Kingdome to command direct authorize or suppresse them to the best auayle and aduancement of the Catholike side that so hee may become more then Monarchiall by an absolute and vnlimited Dominion This Gent. saith that touching the acknowledgement of our Soveraigne to be true King and rightfull Lord over all his Dominions no man sticketh at that But I aske whether if the Pope haue already enwrapped his Majestie within any of his generall sentences or shall declare by any especiall means that he is not to be acknowledged King will not then the Catholikes sticke at that must not they refuse to sweare vnto that clause of recognition also for feare that his Holinesse be questioned and limited in his owne powre and preeminence I will not feare to affirme That the true allegiance and obedience of a naturall subject cannot dwell together in the corrupted heart of a devoted dissembling Papist and therefore no marvell that the heart preposessed with Papacy doth cast such doubts of offending his dearest love especially having plighted faith and vowed his service by all constant endeavors thereunto This contrariety of Masters must needs breed iealousies on both sides for as the Pope forbiddeth Papists to sweare their allegiance and fidellity to the King fearing lest himselfe should thereby be excluded and renounced So the King can never thinke himselfe secure and assured of those subiects who from their acknowledgement of the Popes superiorship over the King and that in such a degree as may indure no limiting dare not be affianced by oath to the safety of the King against the decrees and designes of their Dominus dominancium Then what will they say or do to free his Majestie from feares and ielousies Doth this supple Gent. thinke to make or bring confidence which I hope in Gods goodnesse that the Pope will never attempt any thing in preiudice of his Majestie Surely Sir your hope is too weake a stay for our state to rest or trust vnto For what if the same great important and vrgent cases concerning Christian religion doe fall out wherein yee averr the Popes authority over Princes Then in that case I perceive the best answere wee shall expect from you will be the fooles proverbe non putarem For here againe you feede and foppe vs one with another of your hopes which wee hope will never be betweene our Soveraigne and the Sea Apostolike Is it not more then strange that this so provident coniecturer of future events should hope that that matter will neuer be which long hath beene continually is and I trust perpetually will be seeing that these same great important and vrgent cases concerning Christian Religion haue done and doe dayly fall out betweene our Soveraigne and the Sea of Rome called by him Apostolike Therefore it appeareth that the man hath lost his wits whilest he would obtrude his hopes The true conclusion is that for as much as these great and important cases are in continuall conflict and question betweene the Pope and his Majestie and that consequently the Authority of the Pope lyeth prest in dayly readinesse to represse and suppresse his Majestie vpon all occasions as it concerneth his Royall person for the preservation of his Life State and Dignity to assure himselfe of the vnviolable faithfulnesse of his Subiects so that must needs be accounted a disloyall and vnnaturall part for any subiect to be so seduced by hipocriticall pretences as to adhere to a forraine and fained clericall Primacy against his alleagiance love and duty towards his true Soveraigne Lord and King The Gent. vseth many glorious and plausible speeehes

and agreeable to the Catholicke grounds He further setteth foorth the receiued opinion of the Church to be that it is lawfull for Subiects when the King resuseth to be reformed and after sentence against him to renounce their Obedience to consult for the leuying of a necessary Warre to taxe the people with the charge thereof and with armed force and weapons in such case of necessitie to set vpon him to kill him and destroy him and then descendeth to this conclusion Eademque facultas esto cuicunque priuato qui spe impunitatis abiecta neglecta propria salute in conatum iuvandi rempublicam ingredi voluerit Let any private man which casting aside all hope of impunity and carelesse of his owne safety will adventure to enterprise his endevors to relieue the Common-wealth take vnto him the same liberty Hath he not soundly and definitively declared the doctrine of the Church of Rome and the very secresies and misteries of the Iesuites profession to the apparant conviction of this Mittigators fained attestations And to the foresaid Councell of Constance which is produced to impugne this position of the practises or attempts of private men against lawfull Soveraignes hee also maketh answere in this manner First that no Decree of any Councell standeth good and holy without the consent of his Holinesse thereunto Then that this Decree was neuer approved by Pope Martin the 5th neither would Eugenius or his successors euer ratifie the same and after declareth also that the Fathers of that assembly did chiefly intend that their Session and consultation against the Hussits who maintained that Princes for crimes by them committed did forfeit their estate and that thereupon they might lawfully be by any man deprived of that power which they vniustly held or obteined Againe that in perticuler and properly they then purposed to opugne the proposition of Iohannes Parvus a Divine of Paris who vnder colour of this defence that it was lawfull by private authority to kill a Tirant endeavored to justifie the fact of the Duke of Burgundie in slaying of the Duke of Orleance In which case there were these diversities from that rule Here was betweene these persons equallitie and no inferioritie there was a solemne oath violated and broken and here was no attending for the sentence or direction of the Superior Here we see two Iesuites in two different opinions in a matter of greatest moment both of them founding vpon the faith of the Church both approved permissu superiorum by the allowance of the superiors Thus hauing buckled together two principall Iesuites to lugg and tugg each other by the eares I will only thus far giue my verdit of their variance That the Spanierd Mariana dealeth plainly and constantly to the practize of Popery and the ratificacions and afirmacions of the Popes themselues who will not endure any abridging of their prerogatiue power of proceeding against Princes in what sort soeuer And our English P. K. hideth the sting would conceale deepe dissembled treacheries by protesting termes to secure vs from suspicions till the venome of malice hath pierced all the veines of the state and seazed our very hart and life-blood by surprizes vnthought of hauing brought vs into a carelesse and deceitfull securitie P. R. hath beene very curious and copious in trying and examining his aduersaries allegacions interpretacions falsificacions translacions and applicacions seeming so watchfull and diligent in that kind of animaduersion as if he accounted it a shame and foile to omit any line or sillable vnanswered for indeede the whole bulke of his booke in this businesse is fraught with no other stuffe then with such wrangling matter of misavouching and misconsterings of quoted allegacions But that it may appeare how his deadly hooke resting in the beliefe of his heart is covered over with an honied bait beguiling vs with fairer speach I shall be bold to trouble him with one question What is the cause that Mr. Mortons publication of the solemne Oration made by the Pope Xixtus the 5. in the Consistory of the Cardinalls in the commendation of the notable rare and memorable act of the braue Monke that killed the French King and the inferrence by him made and vrged against the Pope for his maintenance of Conspiracy and Treason is both by the modrate answer first and after by this mitigating replier layed aside in silence and not once handied or glanced at by any seeming answer The truth is they were enwrapped with a dilemna to allow the fact was against their pretence in their position and to disallow the Pope was against their faith in their religion they must defend by argument what for outward carriage is giuen them in charge sith it tendeth to their aduantagious purpose and they may not without dispensation either presume to censure or vndertake to oppugne what his Holinesse approveth lest they betray and shake the foundacion of their Supremacy By this time I trust his well cloaked dubble iniquity is discovered to his very nakednesse were it not now very strange that hee and I whom our former contencions haue so farr devided afunder should part reconciled and well accorded In his sixt Chapter of corruptions and falsificacions hee taketh hold of Mr. Morions exposition That the Imperiall and Kingly Authority in Spirituall causes reacheth no farther then as to outward preservation and not to personall administration Hereupon he assureth vs that if this be really ment all the Catholikes of England will presently take the oath of Supremacy requiring with an earnest challēge that as this is publikely printed and that by Authority so it may have publike allowance performāce to make it good whereby as touching that poynt there may be an attonemēt I feare that the man in the heate of his sudden apprehension and without the wary consideracion which his pen hath been accustomed vnto doth overshoote and forget himselfe Shall I thinke that he hath never read or vtterly forgotten the Oath of Supremacy He hath so scanned and canvased the Statutes of Henry the eight Edward the sixth and Queene Elizabeth picking at every mote thereof and making a beame of the same though with a left eye and a left hand that I cannot so much as surmize but that he hath had every threed of this question betweene his fingers Therefore if his former subtillity hath not suddenly betrayed him and exposed him to derision as I must admire that he is so easily reformed in Iudgement so I shall be content to embrace the occasion of a well gained agreement And will P. R. the Iesuite and the rest of the English Catholikes of the Romish faction abide by this word in good earnest that if the Kings Maiestie doe not claime or assume vnto him personall administration in cause Ecclesiasticall the Oath of Supremacy shall no further be stood vpon or refused Then let him bethinke himselfe of this part or clause of the Oath That no forraigne Prince Person Prelate State or Potentate hath or ought