Selected quad for the lemma: state_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
state_n	authority_n	church_n	power_n	4,040	5	5.1405	4	true

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A93884	The second part of the duply to M.S. alias Two brethren. Wherein are maintained the Kings, Parliaments, and all civil magistrates authority about the Church. Subordination of ecclesiasticall judicatories. Refuted the independency of particular congregations. Licentiousnesse of wicked conscience, and toleration of all sorts of most detestable schismes, heresies and religions; as, idolatry, paganisme, turcisme, Judaisme, Arrianisme, Brownisme, anabaptisme, &c. which M.S. maintain in their book. With a brief epitome and refutation of all the whole independent-government. Most humbly submitted to the Kings most excellent Majestie. To the most Honorable Houses of Parliament. The most Reverend and learned Divines of the Assembly. And all the Protestant churches in this island and abroad. By Adam Steuart. Octob. 3. 1644. Imprimatur Ja: Cranford.; Duply to M.S. alias Two brethren. Part 2.	Steuart, Adam.	1644 (1644)	Wing S5491; Thomason E20_7; ESTC R2880	197,557	205

and_o perfect_a civil_a power_n over_o their_o subject_n and_o yet_o be_v destitute_a of_o all_o such_o intrinsical_n or_o ecclesiastical_a power_n either_o directive_n or_o executive_a since_o neither_o they_o know_v nor_o will_v know_v the_o word_n of_o god_n which_o be_v the_o only_a directive_n or_o regulative_a principle_n in_o ecclesiastical_a matter_n &_o government_n neither_o ever_o do_v they_o or_o will_v they_o exercise_v any_o of_o these_o power_n yea_o they_o renounce_v they_o both_o now_o moral_o he_o be_v not_o say_v to_o have_v power_n to_o exercise_v a_o act_n who_o never_o exercise_v nor_o will_v exercise_v it_o but_o renounce_v it_o and_o all_o power_n unto_o it_o ergo_fw-la 14._o if_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n in_o quality_n of_o civil_a magistrate_n have_v any_o such_o intrinsical_a power_n or_o authority_n about_o the_o church_n church_n business_n and_o religion_n then_o must_v it_o not_o be_v call_v only_o a_o political_a civil_a or_o secular_a but_o also_o a_o ecclesiastical_a and_o spiritual_a power_n yea_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n and_o his_o power_n must_v as_o well_o be_v define_v by_o spiritual_a and_o ecclesiastical_a action_n of_o direction_n and_o government_n and_o by_o spiritual_a and_o ecclesiastiall_a matter_n as_o by_o civil_a action_n and_o matter_n for_o it_o be_v ordinary_a to_o define_v all_o faculty_n habitude_n and_o all_o natural_a or_o moral_a power_n and_o authority_n by_o their_o act_n and_o object_n whereunto_o they_o have_v any_o intrinsical_v reference_n as_o visum_fw-la per_fw-la visibile_fw-la auditum_fw-la per_fw-la audibile_fw-la logicam_fw-la per_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d phisicam_fw-la per_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n but_o so_o be_v it_o not_o of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n power_n for_o neither_o be_v it_o call_v ecclesiastical_a religious_a or_o spiritual_a neither_o be_v it_o the_o custom_n of_o any_o learned_a politician_n who_o ever_o define_v it_o exact_o to_o define_v it_o in_o such_o a_o manner_n ergo_fw-la 15._o if_o it_o be_v so_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n can_v not_o be_v a_o good_a magistrate_n unless_o he_o rule_v the_o church_n well_o for_o in_o omit_v this_o he_o shall_v omit_v the_o principal_a part_n of_o his_o office_n so_o not_o be_v skill_v in_o divinity_n he_o shall_v be_v unworthy_a of_o his_o charge_n and_o worthy_a to_o be_v depose_v which_o i_o believe_v none_o but_o independent_a magistrate_n will_v grant_v 16._o yea_o to_o be_v a_o true_a magistrate_n and_o acquit_v himself_o of_o his_o charge_n he_o must_v be_v a_o independent_a for_o to_o acquit_v himself_o of_o the_o charge_n of_o a_o civil_a magistrate_n he_o must_v rule_v the_o church_n well_o to_o rule_v the_o church_n well_o he_o must_v rule_v it_o in_o the_o independent_a way_n for_o episcopal_a government_n be_v naught_o not_o be_v so_o much_o as_o essential_o ecclesiastical_a government_n and_o presbyterian_a government_n if_o they_o be_v believe_v be_v nothing_o else_o but_o episcopal_a government_n to_o rule_v it_o in_o the_o independent_a way_n he_o must_v be_v a_o independent_a ergo_fw-la a_o primo_fw-la ad_fw-la ultimum_fw-la to_o be_v a_o true_a or_o lawful_a magistrate_n he_o must_v be_v a_o independent_a this_o for_o any_o thing_n i_o can_v see_v fall_v very_o little_a short_a of_o treason_n for_o howsoever_o happy_o they_o intend_v it_o not_o yet_o they_o tend_v as_o fast_o as_o they_o can_v to_o it_o 17._o that_o moral_a power_n whereof_o the_o external_a act_n be_v moral_o impossible_a be_v moral_o impossible_a but_o such_o be_v that_o intrinsical_a power_n in_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n about_o spiritual_a matter_n in_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n ergo_fw-la that_o intrinsical_v power_n etc._n etc._n must_v be_v moral_o impossible_a the_o major_a proposition_n be_v certain_a for_o neither_o god_n nor_o nature_n nor_o man_n in_o their_o right_a wit_n ever_o ordain_v any_o moral_a power_n whereof_o the_o act_n be_v moral_o impossible_a for_o active_a power_n be_v only_o for_o their_o act_n as_o for_o their_o end_n now_o if_o the_o end_n be_v impossible_a so_o must_v that_o which_o be_v for_o that_o end_n be_v impossible_a and_o if_o it_o be_v impossible_a to_o sail_v we_o shall_v never_o build_v ship_n to_o sail_v with_o i_o prove_v the_o minor_a for_o i_o put_v the_o case_n there_o be_v a_o ecumenical_a council_n as_o have_v be_v see_v in_o former_a time_n and_o may_v be_v in_o time_n to_o come_v then_o shall_v it_o not_o be_v possible_a for_o any_o christian_a magistrate_n to_o put_v in_o execution_n any_o such_o power_n over_o a_o oecumenick_n council_n unless_o he_o be_v a_o oecumenick_n magistrate_n to_o who_o authority_n it_o can_v submit_v but_o such_o a_o magistrate_n moral_o be_v not_o like_a to_o be_v find_v e._n 18._o if_o the_o king_n and_o parliament_n or_o any_o civil_a magistrate_n be_v judge_n betwixt_o we_o and_o the_o independent_o then_o must_v the_o independent_o submit_v to_o their_o judgement_n and_o command_n if_o so_o how_o be_v it_o that_o against_o the_o law_n of_o the_o kingdom_n and_o their_o own_o tenet_n they_o erect_v so_o many_o independent_a church_n without_o their_o permission_n and_o consent_n and_o that_o the_o independent_a minister_n of_o the_o synod_n in_o print_a book_n have_v divulge_v their_o judgement_n upon_o the_o matter_n in_o debate_n in_o the_o synod_n and_o bring_v in_o so_o many_o novelty_n in_o religion_n and_o all_o this_o against_o the_o formal_a ordinance_n of_o both_o the_o house_n of_o parliament_n to_o which_o they_o pretend_v so_o much_o submission_n 19_o this_o opinion_n make_v all_o ecclesiastical_a power_n unnecessary_a and_o superfluous_a for_o since_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n have_v a_o intrinsical_a power_n both_o directive_n and_o executive_a to_o govern_v the_o church_n as_o this_o m._n s._n will_v make_v we_o beseeve_v what_o need_n be_v it_o that_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o church_n have_v any_o such_o power_n for_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n have_v power_n enough_o to_o govern_v both_o the_o state_n and_o the_o church_n but_o the_o ecclesiastical_a power_n be_v not_o unnecessary_a or_o superfluous_a since_o god_n have_v ordain_v presbytery_n and_o some_o in_o the_o church_n to_o be_v ruler_n and_o other_o to_o be_v rule_v for_o it_o be_v a_o maxim_n both_o in_o nature_n and_o in_o grace_n that_o deus_fw-la et_fw-la natura_fw-la nihil_fw-la faciunt_fw-la frustra_fw-la ergo_fw-la the_o independent_o opinion_n whereof_o these_o absurdity_n follow_v must_v be_v false_a 20._o because_o the_o evangelist_n prophet_n pastor_n doctor_n and_o other_o christian_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n will_v never_o acknowledge_v any_o such_o authority_n in_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n or_o obey_v they_o as_o we_o see_v throughout_o all_o the_o history_n of_o the_o act_n and_o of_o the_o primitive_a church_n 21._o if_o king_n parliament_n and_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n have_v any_o internal_a directive_n imperative_a or_o executive_a power_n over_o the_o church_n either_o it_o shall_v be_v supreme_a and_o sovereign_a or_o subaltern_n if_o supreme_a or_o sovereign_n than_o we_o have_v king_n in_o the_o church_n yea_o some_o high_a office_n and_o officer_n in_o the_o church_n then_o that_o of_o the_o apostolate_a and_o the_o apostle_n which_o be_v contrary_a to_o st._n paul_n 1._o cor._n 12._o rom._n 12._o eph._n 4._o if_o subaltern_a than_o the_o king_n and_o parliament_n and_o all_o magistrate_n be_v subject_a to_o some_o ecclesiastical_a power_n and_o be_v not_o supreme_a judge_n in_o the_o church_n 22._o if_o the_o magistrate_n have_v any_o such_o power_n either_o the_o supreme_a or_o subaltern_n magistrate_n have_v it_o but_o the_o supreme_a have_v it_o not_o as_o we_o have_v see_v nor_o the_o subaltern_n for_o what_o reason_n that_o every_o justice_n of_o peace_n yea_o be_v he_o never_o so_o ignorant_a in_o divinity_n or_o never_o so_o vicious_a in_o his_o life_n shall_v have_v power_n over_o a_o whole_a nationall_n or_o ecumenical_a synod_n it_o be_v not_o possible_a for_o he_o have_v no_o power_n over_o all_o the_o church_n that_o they_o represent_v neither_o do_v ever_o all_o the_o church_n send_v their_o commissioner_n to_o the_o synod_n upon_o any_o such_o term_n neither_o have_v it_o ever_o be_v acknowledge_v by_o any_o synod_n how_o ridiculous_a be_v it_o to_o think_v that_o every_o justice_n of_o peace_n who_o have_v not_o so_o much_o liberty_n as_o to_o enter_v in_o to_o this_o present_a synod_n shall_v notwithstanding_o rule_v it_o or_o domineer_v over_o it_o neither_o do_v you_o grant_v so_o much_o authority_n as_o i_o believe_v to_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n in_o your_o synod_n in_o the_o netherlands_o but_o what_o reason_n be_v it_o that_o the_o subaltern_a magistrate_n of_o one_o town_n shall_v rule_v over_o the_o synod_n rather_o than_o the_o magistrate_n of_o the_o town_n from_o whence_o be_v send_v a_o other_o commissioner_n 23._o if_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n or_o any_o

the_o magistrate_n authority_n can_v be_v no_o more_o intrinsical_v unto_o the_o church_n than_o the_o magistrate_n himself_o be_v and_o if_o it_o be_v say_v that_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n authority_n be_v intrinsical_v unto_o the_o church_n but_o not_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n i_o answer_v that_o then_o the_o church_n have_v the_o civil_a magistrate_n authority_n and_o not_o his_o person_n so_o the_o church_n have_v the_o magistracy_n and_o not_o the_o magistrate_n and_o so_o the_o church_n have_v civil_a viz._n imperial_a royal_a or_o despoticall_a authority_n over_o the_o subject_n but_o that_o can_v be_v say_v for_o it_o be_v treason_n christ_n kingdom_n be_v not_o of_o this_o world_n and_o the_o church_n bear_v no_o material_a sword_n 39_o the_o intrinsical_a way_n to_o govern_v christ_n church_n be_v convenient_a unto_o god_n wisdom_n since_o it_o be_v a_o act_n of_o wisdom_n and_o divine_a providence_n but_o a_o intrinsical_a power_n grant_v to_o heathen_a and_o 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as_o in_o the_o state_n viz._n monarchical_a despoticall_a imperial_a royal_a etc._n etc._n aristocratical_a or_o democraticall_a so_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n be_v not_o one_o but_o manifold_a and_o may_v change_v and_o be_v diversify_v as_o the_o government_n of_o this_o world_n if_o the_o subaltern_n have_v it_o also_o than_o it_o must_v be_v derive_v unto_o he_o from_o the_o prince_n or_o sovereign_a nulla_fw-la enim_fw-la potestas_fw-la nisi_fw-la in_o principe_fw-la aut_fw-la a_o principe_fw-la there_o be_v no_o power_n but_o in_o the_o prince_n or_o from_o the_o prince_n so_o ecclesiastical_a charge_n shall_v be_v venal_a or_o saleable_a as_o subaltern_a magistracy_n in_o some_o kingdom_n be_v where_o the_o only_a way_n to_o be_v prefer_v unto_o they_o be_v that_o notable_a maxim_n of_o old_a judas_n quantum_fw-la mihi_fw-la dabitis_fw-la chap._n iii_o the_o second_o conclusion_n about_o the_o extrinsecall_a power_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n in_o ecclesiastical_a matter_n prove_v by_o scripture_n conclus_fw-la ii_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n have_v a_o extrinsecall_n both_o directive_n and_o executive_a power_n about_o the_o church_n whereby_o not_o only_o he_o may_v rule_v it_o by_o political_a law_n as_o pagan_a but_o also_o as_o christian_n because_o he_o be_v or_o shall_v be_v a_o nurse_n father_n of_o the_o church_n esay_n 49.23_o who_o 1._o be_v bind_v to_o admit_v in_o his_o kingdom_n the_o true_a church_n and_o true_a religion_n 2._o he_o have_v power_n not_o to_o admit_v it_o to_o reject_v it_o yea_o when_o it_o be_v not_o receive_v or_o approve_v and_o confirm_v by_o his_o secular_a and_o civil_a authority_n to_o reject_v it_o and_o exile_v it_o however_o he_o do_v it_o not_o as_o a_o nurse_n of_o the_o church_n 3._o if_o the_o church_n be_v corrupt_a and_o church_n officer_n negligent_a in_o their_o charge_n and_o will_v not_o reform_v it_o he_o may_v command_v yea_o compel_v they_o to_o do_v it_o or_o if_o they_o will_v not_o he_o may_v extraordinary_o do_v it_o himself_o 5._o when_o the_o church_n be_v reform_v he_o may_v command_v they_o when_o they_o be_v negligent_a to_o be_v diligent_a in_o their_o charge_n 6._o if_o they_o oppress_v any_o man_n in_o their_o ecclesiastical_a judgement_n and_o censure_n against_o the_o law_n of_o the_o kingdom_n he_o may_v desire_v they_o yea_o command_v they_o to_o revise_v their_o judgement_n and_o in_o case_n they_o reform_v they_o not_o command_v they_o yea_o compel_v they_o by_o his_o civil_a power_n to_o give_v he_o satisfaction_n according_a to_o the_o law_n of_o the_o kingdom_n if_o they_o derogate_v not_o from_o the_o law_n of_o god_n 7._o he_o may_v yea_o he_o be_v bind_v to_o provide_v sufficient_a maintenance_n for_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o church_n and_o to_o take_v a_o care_n that_o their_o mean_n be_v not_o delapidate_v and_o that_o they_o be_v not_o sacrilegious_o rob_v of_o they_o 8._o and_o what_o here_o i_o say_v of_o the_o church_n i_o say_v also_o of_o university_n and_o school_n that_o be_v the_o seminary_n of_o able_a man_n for_o the_o church_n 9_o he_o may_v grant_v unto_o the_o church_n some_o liberty_n privilege_n or_o immunity_n as_o sundry_a prince_n have_v do_v and_o confirm_v they_o by_o law_n as_o we_o see_v in_o the_o civil_a law_n 10._o he_o be_v bind_v with_o his_o civil_a power_n to_o maintain_v the_o order_n and_o discipline_n of_o the_o church_n and_o consequent_o 11._o to_o hinder_v all_o disorder_n in_o it_o and_o 12._o by_o his_o civil_a authority_n to_o compel_v all_o refractory_a person_n to_o obey_v the_o church_n and_o 13._o to_o banish_v and_o exile_v all_o sect_n schism_n and_o heresy_n as_o we_o may_v see_v by_o sundry_a of_o the_o roman_a law_n and_o especial_o in_o the_o first_o 13._o title_n of_o the_o first_o book_n of_o instinians_n codex_fw-la in_o the_o pandect_n and_o else_o where_o all_o this_o we_o grant_v to_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n and_o if_o the_o quinq_fw-fr 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subject_a of_o this_o power_n viz._n he._n 2._o the_o efficient_a cause_n thereof_o somewhat_o obscure_o express_v by_o sufficient_a call_v and_o afterward_o 3._o more_o distinct_o by_o the_o assent_n and_o destination_n of_o the_o will_n of_o those_o who_o call_v he_o and_o consent_n of_o the_o person_n call_v 4._o endow_v etc._n etc._n here_o be_v express_v the_o fundamentum_fw-la remotum_fw-la of_o this_o charge_n whereby_o he_o be_v enable_v to_o the_o act_n of_o this_o power_n 5._o may_v just_o exercise_v etc._n etc._n here_o be_v the_o finis_fw-la or_o act_v of_o this_o power_n wherein_o we_o have_v to_o observe_v that_o this_o act_n may_v be_v consider_v 1._o in_o its_o naturalitie_n 2._o in_o its_o habitualitie_n or_o faculty_n 3._o in_o its_o morality_n 4._o in_o its_o particular_a legalitie_n the_o first_o be_v from_o the_o natural_a faculty_n of_o the_o soul_n the_o second_o from_o the_o habitude_n or_o ability_n thereof_o the_o three_o be_v from_o moral_a habitude_n in_o the_o will_n the_o four_o from_o this_o potestas_fw-la the_o natural_a faculty_n make_v it_o a_o act_n the_o habitude_n or_o ability_n a_o habitual_a act_n or_o easy_o produce_v by_o the_o soul_n if_o it_o be_v mere_o natural_a but_o if_o it_o be_v a_o supernatural_a act_n quoad_fw-la substantiam_fw-la then_o there_o must_v be_v some_o supernatural_a habitude_n that_o supply_v the_o place_n both_o of_o the_o deficient_a faculty_n and_o habitude_n or_o ability_n the_o virtue_n of_o justice_n in_o the_o will_n i._o a_o just_a act_n but_o this_o moral_a power_n or_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d make_v it_o a_o legal_a and_o public_a act_n for_o what_o before_o his_o call_n he_o can_v not_o do_v but_o illegal_o howsoever_o he_o have_v ability_n enough_o now_o after_o his_o call_n he_o can_v do_v legal_o item_n this_o moral_a power_n induce_v a_o moral_a obligation_n to_o obedience_n which_o all_o his_o natural_a power_n all_o his_o natural_a and_o supernatural_a habitude_n and_o all_o his_o particular_a moral_a virtue_n and_o justice_n can_v not_o do_v without_o it_o this_o moral_a power_n be_v either_o private_a or_o particular_a as_o the_o paternal_a marital_a if_o it_o be_v mere_o moral_a and_o despoticall_a in_o domestical_a and_o such_o like_a society_n whereof_o we_o speak_v not_o or_o public_a as_o that_o of_o the_o secular_a magistrate_n and_o ecclesiastical_a judge_n and_o evermore_o it_o produce_v a_o obligation_n unto_o obedience_n in_o those_o that_o be_v subject_a thereunto_o so_o the_o power_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n bind_v the_o subject_a to_o civil_a and_o that_o of_o ecclesiastical_a person_n the_o people_n to_o ecclesiastical_a or_o spiritual_a obedience_n that_o of_o the_o husband_n the_o wife_n to_o conjugal_a that_o of_o the_o father_n the_o son_n to_o filial_a and_o that_o of_o the_o lord_n the_o servant_n to_o servile_a obedience_n or_o service_n this_o power_n as_o it_o be_v in_o church-officer_n be_v either_o directive_n or_o executive_a and_o this_o either_o imperative_fw-it or_o strict_o executive_a or_o if_o you_o like_v better_o of_o a_o trichotomie_n it_o be_v either_o directive_n imperative_a or_o executive_a the_o directive_n power_n of_o the_o church_n be_v that_o whereby_o she_o show_v we_o what_o be_v to_o be_v believe_v or_o do_v which_o be_v do_v by_o teach_v ecclesiastical_a judgement_n law_n and_o the_o interpretation_n thereof_o whereby_o we_o be_v direct_v and_o teach_v the_o imperative_a power_n be_v whereby_o she_o command_v what_o be_v to_o be_v do_v as_o hoc_fw-la fac_fw-la which_o the_o doctor_n of_o the_o law_n ordinary_o express_v by_o jubeo_fw-la impero_fw-la mando_fw-la and_o some_o king_n by_o this_o for_o it_o be_v our_o will_n and_o pleasure_n the_o executive_a power_n be_v whereby_o ecclesiastical_a judgement_n be_v put_v in_o execution_n which_o be_v do_v by_o bind_v and_o lose_v in_o some_o way_n answerable_a to_o distributive_a justice_n remunerative_a and_o coercive_a now_o to_o befriend_v yet_o more_o this_o man_n understanding_n and_o to_o show_v the_o christian_a reader_n how_o fair_o i_o deal_v with_o he_o and_o all_o those_o of_o his_o party_n not_o hide_v myself_o as_o they_o ordinary_o do_v i_o give_v another_o note_n very_o necessary_a in_o this_o matter_n which_o i_o hope_v shall_v discover_v a_o great_a part_n of_o these_o man_n cavil_n and_o fraudulent_a sophistication_n and_o it_o be_v this_o viz._n that_o the_o power_n circa_fw-la spiritualia_fw-la &_o ecclesiastica_fw-la about_o spiritual_a and_o ecclesiastical_a matter_n be_v either_o intrinsical_n to_o the_o church_n i._n e._n not_o only_o about_o the_o church_n but_o also_o in_o the_o church_n as_o that_o of_o church_n officer_n which_o be_v only_o in_o the_o church_n or_o church_n officer_n in_o quality_n of_o church_n and_o church_n officer_n as_o the_o power_n to_o preach_v to_o excommunicate_v etc._n etc._n for_o no_o other_o but_o

ecclesiastical_a person_n can_v preach_v or_o excommunicate_v neither_o can_v the_o civil_a magistrate_n or_o any_o other_o exercise_v such_o act_n or_o extrinsecall_v i._n e._n about_o the_o church_n but_o not_o in_o the_o church_n in_o quality_n of_o a_o church_n as_o when_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n make_v law_n concern_v the_o church_n in_o confirm_v or_o ratify_v her_o law_n in_o make_v they_o to_o be_v receive_v as_o well_o in_o the_o state_n as_o in_o the_o church_n so_o justinian_n declare_v that_o according_a to_o the_o evangelicall_n doctrine_n and_o apostolical_a discipline_n all_o man_n shall_v be_v call_v christian_n otherways_o that_o they_o shall_v be_v declare_v distract_v and_o infamous_a person_n and_o that_o they_o that_o be_v punish_v spiritual_o by_o the_o church_n shall_v afterward_o be_v punish_v civil_o by_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n as_o we_o may_v see_v in_o the_o first_o book_n of_o the_o codex_fw-la do_fw-mi de_fw-fr summa_fw-la trinitate_fw-la do_fw-mi de_fw-fr sacrosanctis_fw-la ecclesiis_fw-la do_fw-mi de_fw-fr episc_n &_o cler._n &_o orphanotroph_n and_o through_o all_o the_o first_o thirteen_o title_n of_o that_o book_n and_o elsewhere_o in_o the_o civil_a law_n but_o this_o power_n to_o judge_v command_n and_o punish_v be_v not_o ecclesiastical_a but_o civil_a chap._n ii_o the_o first_o conclusion_n about_o the_o intrinsical_a power_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n in_o the_o church_n this_o be_v presuppose_v i_o put_v my_o first_o conclusion_n thus_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n qua_fw-la talis_fw-la or_o under_o the_o notion_n of_o a_o civil_a magistrate_n have_v no_o intrinsical_a power_n in_o the_o church_n 1._o because_o the_o scripture_n which_o independent_o acknowledge_v for_o the_o only_a rule_n of_o church-government_n contain_v no_o such_o thing_n 2._o because_o his_o authority_n qua_fw-la talis_fw-la be_v not_o ecclesiastical_a but_o political_a or_o civil_a ergo_fw-la qua_fw-la talis_fw-la it_o be_v not_o intrinsical_v to_o the_o church_n 3._o because_o such_o must_v be_v his_o power_n or_o authority_n in_o the_o church_n as_o the_o act_n thereof_o at_o least_o in_o genere_fw-la morum_fw-la or_o moral_o but_o the_o act_n of_o his_o power_n as_o to_o punish_v refractorie_a person_n in_o a_o civil_a way_n by_o imprisonment_n pecuniary_a mulct_n etc._n etc._n be_v not_o intrinsical_v yea_o no_o way_n ecclesiastical_a ergo_fw-la no_o more_o be_v his_o power_n or_o authority_n 4._o because_o the_o authority_n that_o be_v intrinsical_v unto_o the_o church_n must_v be_v exercise_v by_o ecclesiastical_a person_n but_o so_o be_v not_o that_o of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n the_o minor_a be_v certain_a because_o it_o be_v only_o to_o be_v exercise_v by_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n or_o his_o officer_n and_o not_o by_o elder_n of_o the_o church_n as_o when_o he_o imprison_v any_o man_n for_o his_o disobedience_n unto_o the_o church_n or_o put_v apostate_n or_o some_o abominable_a heretic_n to_o death_n as_o servet_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o it_o be_v a_o certain_a maxim_n that_o ecclesia_fw-la nescit_fw-la sanguinem_fw-la as_o may_v appear_v by_o sundry_a canon_n of_o the_o canon_n law_n ergo_fw-la the_o major_n be_v indubitable_a because_o the_o power_n and_o the_o exercise_n thereof_o belong_v unto_o the_o same_o sort_n of_o person_n 5._o because_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n himself_o qua_fw-la talis_fw-la be_v no_o ecclesiastical_a person_n or_o intrinsical_v unto_o the_o church_n since_o he_o may_v be_v a_o pagan_a how_o then_o can_v his_o authority_n be_v ecclesiastical_a or_o intrinsical_v unto_o the_o church_n since_o the_o authority_n of_o a_o person_n out_o of_o the_o church_n qua_fw-la talis_fw-la must_v be_v extrinsecall_v or_o out_o of_o the_o church_n 6._o because_o the_o object_n of_o the_o intrinsical_a power_n of_o the_o church_n be_v principal_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d thing_n that_o be_v spiritual_a or_o for_o spiritual_a end_n but_o so_o be_v not_o that_o of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n since_o oftentimes_o he_o know_v he_o not_o as_o when_o he_o be_v a_o turk_n or_o a_o pagan_a 7._o because_o this_o opinion_n confound_v the_o kingdom_n of_o this_o world_n with_o that_o of_o christ_n in_o grant_v unto_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n the_o intrinsical_a power_n of_o the_o church_n which_o christ_n only_o grant_v unto_o the_o minister_n thereof_o viz._n unto_o preacher_n teacher_n and_o rule_v elder_n but_o so_o shall_v it_o not_o be_v for_o christ_n distinguish_v these_o power_n when_o he_o command_v to_o give_v unto_o god_n that_o which_o be_v god_n and_o unto_o caesar_n that_o which_o be_v caesar_n mat._n 22.21_o 8._o because_o the_o immediate_a rule_n of_o the_o intrinsical_a power_n of_o the_o church_n be_v only_a god_n word_n formal_o by_o consequence_n or_o presupposition_n so_o be_v it_o not_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n power_n which_o be_v immediate_o and_o formal_o rule_v by_o the_o law_n of_o the_o state_n ergo_fw-la the_o civil_a magistrate_n power_n be_v not_o intrinsical_v unto_o the_o church_n 9_o the_o intrinsical_a power_n of_o the_o church_n be_v only_o ministerial_a no_o way_n despoticall_a imperial_a regal_a majestical_a or_o majesty_n so_o be_v not_o that_o of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n in_o take_v the_o word_n in_o a_o large_a signification_n as_o it_o be_v sometime_o for_o the_o supreme_a and_o subaltern_a magistrate_n for_o the_o power_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n at_o least_o in_o the_o supreme_a or_o prince_n be_v not_o ministerial_a but_o sometime_o despoticall_a or_o lordly_a sometime_o imperial_a sometime_o regal_a sometime_o aristocratical_a sometime_o democraticall_a and_o evermore_o majestical_a ergo_fw-la the_o assumption_n be_v certain_a so_o be_v the_o proposition_n for_o they_o who_o have_v this_o intrinsical_v power_n in_o the_o church_n be_v only_o christ_n minister_n and_o servant_n 10._o because_o as_o we_o say_v heretofore_o not_o only_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n sometime_o be_v not_o a_o member_n of_o the_o true_a church_n of_o christ_n but_o be_v a_o member_n of_o the_o antichristian_a church_n yea_o sometime_o not_o so_o much_o as_o christen_v or_o a_o christian_a by_o name_n as_o the_o tuck_n the_o emperor_n the_o french_a king_n and_o some_o other_o who_o by_o maxim_n of_o state_n have_v make_v some_o edict_n in_o favour_n of_o true_a christian_n for_o the_o exercise_n of_o their_o religion_n but_o how_o shall_v he_o that_o be_v not_o in_o the_o church_n that_o be_v no_o true_a christian_n yea_o that_o be_v a_o antichristian_a christian_a yea_o not_o so_o much_o as_o a_o christian_a by_o name_n but_o a_o open_a enemy_n to_o the_o name_n of_o christ_n as_o herod_n nero_n dioclesian_n julian_n the_o apostate_n that_o be_v external_a unto_o the_o church_n have_v any_o intrinsical_v power_n in_o the_o church_n 11._o because_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n have_v no_o intrinsical_a power_n either_o directive_n or_o executive_a in_o common_a trade_n as_o that_o of_o brewer_n shoemaker_n carter_n waterman_n etc._n etc._n who_o trade_n be_v within_o the_o reach_n of_o nature_n and_o which_o he_o direct_v only_o extrinsecally_a neither_o know_v the_o king_n how_o to_o brew_v how_o to_o make_v shoe_n etc._n etc._n neither_o can_v he_o brew_v or_o make_v shoe_n how_o much_o less_o than_o be_v it_o needful_a that_o he_o have_v any_o intern_a power_n either_o directive_n or_o executive_a in_o ecclesiastical_a matter_n which_o be_v altogether_o spiritual_a and_o supernatural_a above_o the_o reach_n of_o all_o natural_a prudence_n and_o quite_o out_o of_o the_o sphere_n of_o his_o activity_n 12._o by_o the_o same_o reason_n the_o civil_a magistrate_n shall_v have_v a_o internal_a power_n both_o directive_n and_o executive_a over_o all_o economical_a society_n under_o he_o viz._n over_o the_o husband_n and_o the_o wife_n the_o father_n and_o the_o son_n the_o master_n and_o the_o servant_n he_o may_v direct_v they_o in_o their_o duty_n and_o execute_v their_o charge_n intrinsical_o and_o so_o do_v the_o duty_n of_o a_o husband_n of_o a_o father_n and_o master_n in_o all_o thing_n in_o every_o man_n family_n which_o can_v not_o but_o be_v find_v very_o absurd_a impious_a and_o altogether_o intolerable_a heretofore_o the_o independent_o do_v as_o much_o as_o any_o man_n complain_v of_o such_o a_o absolute_a and_o independent_a power_n in_o the_o king_n how_o then_o be_v it_o that_o now_o they_o grant_v it_o 13._o if_o such_o a_o intrinsical_a power_n in_o ecclesiastical_a matter_n be_v a_o part_n of_o all_o civil_a magistrate_n power_n then_o the_o magistrate_n who_o have_v it_o not_o be_v not_o complete_a and_o perfect_a magistrate_n since_o they_o want_v one_o of_o the_o principal_a part_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n power_n viz._n the_o intrinsical_n directive_n and_o executive_a power_n in_o ecclesiastical_a matter_n but_o the_o consequent_a be_v untrue_a yea_o criminal_a and_o traitorous_a for_o many_o pagan_n antichristian_n yea_o in_o concreto_fw-la and_o in_o sensu_fw-la composito_fw-la have_v a_o full_a

king_n qua_fw-la talis_fw-la be_v a_o ruler_n of_o the_o church_n or_o have_v any_o intrinsical_v authoritative_a power_n to_o rule_v it_o he_o shall_v have_v the_o same_o right_n to_o it_o that_o he_o have_v to_o the_o state_n or_o kingdom_n so_o some_o king_n as_o in_o hereditary_a kingdom_n shall_v be_v king_n and_o ruler_n of_o the_o church_n by_o birth_n 24._o some_o by_o war_n invasion_n or_o usurpation_n which_o be_v a_o pretty_a way_n to_o obtain_v power_n in_o the_o church_n 25._o by_o money_n in_o buy_v of_o a_o principallity_n and_o so_o by_o direct_a simony_n 26._o by_o trooque_a and_o exchange_n 27._o a_o woman_n since_o she_o may_v be_v queen_n may_v be_v a_o church_n ruler_n and_o so_o speak_v in_o the_o church_n which_o st._n paul_n direct_o prohibit_v they_o 28._o a_o prince_n be_v a_o know_a atheist_n or_o a_o magician_n shall_v have_v a_o internal_a power_n to_o rule_v the_o church_n and_o so_o be_v a_o member_n thereof_o for_o his_o atheism_n and_o magic_n can_v not_o more_o hinder_v he_o from_o be_v a_o ruler_n in_o the_o church_n then_o in_o the_o state_n neither_o be_v it_o possible_a that_o the_o ruler_n of_o a_o church_n or_o of_o any_o other_o society_n shall_v not_o be_v a_o member_n thereof_o if_o so_o the_o church_n shall_v be_v very_o well_o guide_v and_o have_v holy_a member_n but_o this_o be_v against_o the_o principle_n of_o independency_n for_o they_o will_v acknowledge_v no_o man_n for_o a_o member_n of_o their_o church_n unless_o it_o appear_v that_o he_o have_v the_o power_n of_o piety_n and_o of_o sanctify_a grace_n 29._o child_n and_o babe_n who_o may_v be_v king_n shall_v be_v ruler_n of_o the_o church_n so_o they_o who_o have_v not_o the_o use_n of_o reason_n shall_v rule_v the_o church_n without_o reason_n and_o if_o it_o be_v reply_v that_o they_o may_v guide_v the_o church_n by_o their_o counsel_n and_o other_o officer_n answ_n 1._o god_n be_v not_o serve_v by_o commissioner_n and_o proctor_n in_o the_o church_n as_o in_o the_o state_n whatever_o charge_n god_n lay_v upon_o churchman_n they_o must_v carry_v their_o own_o burden_n themselves_o and_o not_o lay_v it_o upon_o other_o 2._o by_o the_o same_o reason_n other_o minister_n of_o the_o church_n may_v do_v the_o like_a and_o so_o they_o likewise_o may_v be_v bear_v god_n minister_n as_o the_o king_n and_o so_o have_v need_n of_o no_o vocation_n at_o all_o but_o every_o man_n according_a to_o his_o fantasy_n may_v exercise_v his_o gift_n of_o prophecy_n just_a for_o all_o the_o world_n as_o they_o do_v among_o the_o independent_o 30._o yea_o mad_a man_n may_v rule_v the_o church_n since_o their_o madness_n hinder_v they_o not_o to_o be_v king_n when_o they_o have_v right_a to_o the_o crown_n so_o may_v mad_a man_n be_v preacher_n also_o for_o if_o madness_n hinder_v not_o a_o prince_n or_o a_o king_n to_o be_v a_o ruler_n in_o the_o church_n or_o any_o other_o to_o rule_v the_o church_n no_o more_o shall_v it_o hinder_v any_o other_o minister_n to_o be_v a_o preacher_n since_o there_o be_v the_o same_o reason_n for_o they_o all_o 31._o it_o be_v a_o commandment_n of_o the_o apostle_n 1_o tim._n 3._o that_o no_o man_n be_v admit_v a_o judge_n in_o christ_n church_n but_o after_o due_a examination_n viz._n of_o their_o life_n and_o doctrine_n but_o magistrate_n and_o especial_o the_o supreme_a magistrate_n in_o take_v the_o word_n in_o a_o large_a signification_n be_v not_o so_o admit_v and_o some_o of_o they_o can_v be_v so_o admit_v as_o prince_n who_o be_v infant_n mad_a etc._n etc._n 32._o whosoever_o have_v any_o ecclesiastical_a power_n must_v be_v call_v of_o god_n as_o aaron_n heb._n 5.4_o and_o christ_n take_v not_o this_o honour_n but_o after_o a_o lawful_a vocation_n but_o prince_n and_o magistrate_n be_v not_o so_o call_v of_o god_n as_o aaron_n 33._o he_o who_o have_v any_o intrinsical_a power_n in_o the_o church_n must_v first_o accept_v of_o it_o and_o have_v some_o internal_a vocation_n before_o that_o he_o have_v it_o but_o many_o magistrate_n accept_v not_o of_o it_o nor_o have_v they_o any_o internal_a vocation_n as_o papist_n who_o will_v not_o accept_v of_o it_o neither_o have_v they_o any_o vocation_n to_o it_o 34._o if_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n have_v any_o such_o power_n either_o he_o have_v it_o as_o a_o magistrate_n as_o a_o christian_a or_o as_o a_o christian_a magistrate_n but_o he_o have_v it_o not_o as_o a_o magistrate_n for_o as_o a_o magistrate_n only_o he_o rule_v the_o state_n and_o not_o the_o church_n and_o if_o he_o have_v it_o as_o a_o magistrate_n all_o magistrate_n yea_o nero_n julian_n the_o apostate_n shall_v have_v it_o as_o we_o have_v prove_v not_o as_o a_o christian_a for_o then_o every_o christian_a shall_v have_v that_o power_n yea_o a_o cobbler_n as_o well_o as_o a_o king_n nam_fw-la quod_fw-la convenit_fw-la alicui_fw-la qua_fw-la tali_fw-la convenit_fw-la omni_fw-la nor_o final_o as_o a_o christian_a magistrate_n for_o as_o a_o christian_a magistrate_n he_o have_v no_o more_o than_o as_o a_o magistrate_n and_o a_o christian_a now_o he_o have_v it_o not_o as_o a_o magistrate_n and_o a_o christian_a for_o christianity_n augment_v not_o the_o power_n of_o a_o magistrate_n since_o it_o be_v not_o of_o the_o same_o kind_n for_o if_o it_o shall_v augment_v it_o or_o increase_v it_o it_o shall_v be_v some_o part_n or_o degree_n of_o magistracy_n which_o be_v false_a neither_o if_o it_o can_v be_v augment_v or_o increase_v can_v it_o receive_v any_o increase_n but_o either_o extensive_a or_o intensive_a in_o its_o part_n or_o quantity_n or_o in_o its_o degree_n but_o since_o christianity_n be_v not_o a_o part_n or_o a_o degree_n of_o magistracy_n nor_o magistracy_n of_o christianity_n the_o one_o can_v increase_v or_o augment_v the_o other_o 35._o if_o we_o shall_v have_v a_o toleration_n of_o all_o sort_n of_o religion_n put_v the_o case_n of_o 365._o as_o m._n s._n wish_v and_o that_o the_o king_n be_v judge_n in_o all_o then_o he_o must_v have_v a_o intrinsical_v power_n in_o all_o those_o religion_n and_o all_o the_o several_a church_n that_o profess_v they_o and_o consequent_o he_o must_v be_v a_o member_n of_o every_o one_o of_o they_o and_o so_o of_o 365_o religion_n for_o whosoever_o have_v a_o intrinsical_a power_n in_o the_o church_n or_o be_v a_o governor_n of_o it_o must_v be_v a_o member_n yea_o the_o principal_a member_n of_o it_o but_o the_o king_n must_v not_o be_v of_o so_o many_o viz._n 365_o religon_n ergo_fw-la 36._o if_o the_o king_n be_v not_o of_o all_o those_o church_n religion_n then_o either_o he_o must_v be_v of_o one_o or_o none_o of_o they_o if_o of_o one_o of_o they_o only_o than_o he_o shall_v be_v partial_a in_o judge_v and_o rule_v they_o all_o and_o so_o a_o incompetent_a judge_n if_o of_o none_o so_o indeed_o he_o shall_v be_v indifferent_a and_o impartial_a but_o a_o very_a dangerous_a man_n of_o no_o religion_n at_o all_o and_o so_o can_v be_v a_o competent_a judge_n 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the_o christian_a church_n in_o respect_n of_o the_o civil_a but_o of_o the_o spiritual_a and_o ecclesiastical_a government_n by_o church-officer_n and_o the_o people_n subject_n thereunto_o so_o also_o be_v their_o land_n a_o type_n of_o the_o celestial_a jerusalem_n not_o as_o it_o contain_v the_o state_n but_o the_o church_n otherwise_o it_o shall_v have_v be_v a_o type_n of_o heaven_n before_o that_o the_o people_n of_o god_n have_v any_o right_n to_o it_o and_o final_o type_n be_v not_o ordain_v by_o the_o political_a or_o moral_a law_n as_o magistrate_n and_o their_o authority_n at_o least_o qua_fw-la tale_n but_o only_o by_o the_o ceremonial_a law_n true_a it_o be_v that_o god_n may_v serve_v himself_o of_o a_o thing_n institute_v by_o the_o moral_a law_n to_o be_v a_o type_n but_o he_o must_v make_v it_o a_o type_n by_o some_o subsequent_a ceremonial_a law_n what_o he_o say_v against_o all_o this_o p._n 52._o §._o 23_o that_o good_a king_n never_o oppress_v godly_a person_n 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suffice_v that_o i_o have_v prove_v it_o by_o a_o political_a law_n and_o that_o the_o same_o reason_n oblige_v christian_a prince_n u●z_n b._n cause_n they_o will_v turn_v thou_o from_o the_o lord_n thy_o god_n deut._n 13.5.10_o ●●_o thus_o political_a law_n be_v ground_v upon_o the_o five_o commandment_n which_o be_v juris_fw-la naturalis_fw-la it_o must_v be_v so_o since_o it_o be_v ground_v in_o natural_a reason_n 4._o and_o our_o reason_n god_n will_v hereafter_o shall_v make_v it_o appear_v 5._o in_o the_o mean_a time_n take_v for_o a_o example_n nabuchadnezzar_n who_o since_o he_o be_v no_o le●●_n can_v not_o do_v it_o in_o virtue_n of_o any_o political_a law_n of_o the_o jew_n for_o he_o be_v no_o subject_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o juda_n only_o he_o can_v do_v it_o in_o virtue_n of_o the_o moral_a or_o some_o political_a law_n ground_v on_o the_o moral_a or_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n m._n s._n it_o be_v no_o more_o moral_a then_o that_o of_o the_o stay_n of_o the_o inhabitant_n of_o the_o idolatrous_a city_n and_o the_o cattle_n thereof_o etc._n etc._n a._n s._n i_o deny_v it_o for_o the_o one_o be_v ground_v upon_o natural_a and_o divine_a reason_n as_o we_o have_v see_v and_o god_n will_v shall_v see_v more_o full_o by_o our_o follow_a reason_n but_o so_o be_v not_o the_o other_o p._n 52_o 53._o §_o 25._o answ_n 8._o m._n s._n answer_v 1._o that_o the_o king_n of_o juda_n only_o exercise_v their_o power_n about_o idolatry_n and_o idolater_n a._n s._n i_o deny_v it_o 1._o for_o they_o exercise_v it_o also_o in_o beat_v down_o of_o the_o high_a place_n wherein_o there_o be_v not_o idolatry_n as_o have_v be_v permit_v before_o the_o build_n of_o the_o temple_n 2._o because_o there_o be_v the_o same_o reason_n bind_v they_o to_o exercise_v it_o against_o the_o transgression_n of_o the_o first_o commandment_n the_o violation_n whereof_o be_v more_o direct_o against_o god_n honour_n for_o sacrifice_v in_o high_a place_n be_v but_o a_o circumstance_n of_o the_o second_o commandment_n violate_v but_o heresy_n and_o schism_n be_v formal_a breach_n of_o the_o first_o commandment_n the_o one_o of_o faith_n the_o other_o of_o charity_n therein_o command_v and_o the_o false_a prophet_n be_v to_o be_v put_v to_o death_n 2._o in_o the_o same_o section_n he_o say_v that_o it_o be_v the_o generality_n of_o the_o church_n or_o nation_n of_o the_o jew_n and_o not_o their_o king_n that_o be_v invest_v with_o it_o by_o god_n deut._n 13._o and_o 7.5_o and_o 12.2_o 3._o a._n s._n here_o be_v anabaptism_n in_o divest_v the_o magistrate_n of_o his_o power_n and_o vest_v the_o people_n with_o it_o what_o have_v every_o one_o the_o power_n of_o the_o sword_n among_o the_o people_n of_o the_o jew_n 2._o be_v their_o government_n democraticall_a or_o rather_o anarchicall_a have_v woman_n child_n and_o servant_n this_o power_n i_o grant_v you_o that_o in_o virtue_n of_o the_o law_n and_o their_o covenant_n they_o have_v all_o a_o hand_n in_o in_o the_o 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ecclesiastical_a matter_n even_o no_o more_o than_o to_o the_o mean_a of_o the_o people_n true_o they_o be_v much_o behold_v to_o you_o for_o your_o great_a liberality_n and_o if_o so_o ride_v on_o in_o despite_n of_o king_n and_o parliament_n to_o your_o belove_a conventicle_n neither_o can_v i_o find_v in_o these_o passage_n deut._n 7.5_o and_o 12.2_o 3._o or_o deut._n 13._o any_o such_o thing_n viz._n that_o it_o be_v the_o generality_n of_o the_o church_n or_o nation_n of_o the_o jew_n that_o be_v invest_v with_o it_o for_o god_n never_o invest_v the_o confuse_a multitude_n in_o any_o judicial_a or_o authoritative_a power_n chap._n v._o wherein_o the_o same_o conclusion_n be_v further_o prove_v by_o reason_n now_o after_o these_o testimony_n out_o of_o holy_a writ_n i_o bring_v these_o reason_n follow_v ground_v upon_o it_o and_o 1._o that_o power_n which_o the_o civil_a magitrate_v have_v in_o the_o old_a testament_n and_o be_v not_o abrogate_a in_o the_o new_a may_v yet_o 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quality_n of_o political_a shall_v have_v continue_v among_o they_o and_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n among_o they_o shall_v have_v punish_v heretic_n schismatic_n idolater_n etc._n etc._n in_o the_o new_a testament_n as_o they_o do_v in_o the_o old_a neither_o be_v there_o any_o reason_n wherefore_o christ_n or_o his_o apostle_n shall_v have_v hinder_v he_o by_o his_o political_a power_n to_o maintain_v the_o christian_a religion_n in_o the_o new_a testament_n as_o before_o he_o do_v in_o the_o old_a 3._o and_o it_o may_v be_v further_o confirm_v because_o the_o great_a the_o favour_n be_v that_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n have_v receive_v of_o god_n in_o the_o new_a testament_n then_o in_o the_o old_a so_o much_o the_o great_a obligation_n be_v lay_v upon_o he_o by_o his_o power_n to_o maintain_v god_n cause_n and_o religion_n 4._o and_o the_o holy_a our_o covenant_n be_v and_o the_o further_a it_o surpass_v the_o old_a so_o much_o the_o great_a shall_v the_o civil_a magistrate_n 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whereas_o they_o receive_v all_o their_o lustre_n and_o influence_n from_o he_o there_o or_o that_o as_o monk_n and_o friar_n you_o plead_v pro_fw-la immunitate_fw-la clericorum_fw-la or_o that_o the_o ridiculous_a thunderbolt_n of_o master_n goodwin_n pretend_v judgement_n of_o god_n be_v capable_a to_o dash_v it_o all_o in_o piece_n here_o 10._o if_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n have_v not_o a_o sufficient_a power_n to_o punish_v idolater_n heretic_n and_o schismatic_n for_o religion_n than_o all_o the_o roman_a law_n in_o the_o code_n make_v against_o heretic_n and_o those_o of_o this_o kingdom_n make_v against_o jesuite_n monk_n and_o priest_n must_v be_v unjust_a yea_o the_o judgement_n give_v out_o against_o they_o since_o this_o parliament_n begin_v be_v unjust_a and_o if_o so_o you_o will_v do_v well_o to_o tell_v they_o of_o it_o if_o we_o believe_v these_o american_n christian_n the_o parliament_n law_n be_v little_o less_o than_o tyrannical_a 11._o that_o for_o which_o all_o 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magistrate_n be_v not_o bind_v by_o his_o office_n to_o punish_v heretic_n schismatic_n etc._n etc._n he_o be_v bind_v to_o tolerate_v they_o all_o and_o so_o to_o tolerate_v all_o independent_o all_o brownist_n anabaptist_n familist_n socinian_o etc._n etc._n yea_o some_o who_o deny_v the_o immortality_n of_o the_o soul_n that_o hold_v a_o general_a resurrection_n of_o all_o beast_n as_o well_o as_o of_o man_n yea_o of_o all_o that_o ever_o have_v be_v since_o the_o creation_n of_o the_o world_n or_o shall_v be_v to_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n peradventure_o of_o louse_n fly_n worm_n etc._n etc._n and_o so_o he_o shall_v do_v well_o to_o licence_n the_o book_n of_o such_o subject_n till_o master_n goodwin_n alius_fw-la m._n s._n resute_n they_o for_o he_o find_v no_o other_o remedy_n in_o god_n word_n but_o to_o refute_v such_o book_n if_o we_o believe_v this_o new_a

the_o take_v away_o of_o evil_a the_o conservation_n of_o order_n and_o unity_n and_o to_o avoid_v schism_n 2._o neither_o do_v christ_n by_o his_o death_n obtain_v for_o we_o a_o immunity_n from_o all_o obedience_n or_o a_o independent_a licentiousness_n to_o do_v ill_o 3._o and_o this_o be_v the_o holy_a ghost_n reason_n in_o that_o same_o place_n and_o thou_o shall_v put_v away_o the_o evil_a from_o israel_n and_o all_o the_o people_n shall_v hear_v and_o fear_v and_o do_v no_o more_o presumptuous_o ver_fw-la 12.13_o which_o oblige_v we_o as_o well_o unto_o obedience_n under_o the_o new_a testament_n as_o those_o of_o the_o old_a testament_n 25._o so_o we_o have_v a_o example_n of_o corah_n dathan_n abiram_n and_o on_o who_o be_v independent_o and_o for_o their_o independency_n and_o not_o subjection_n unto_o the_o authoritative_a power_n of_o moses_n and_o aaron_n be_v severe_o punish_v by_o moses_n and_o perish_v miserable_o we_o may_v bring_v many_o reason_n of_o the_o holy_a 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himself_o viz._n a.s._n with_o his_o fellow_n presbyter_n have_v he_o not_o make_v the_o one_o judex_n and_o the_o other_o carnifex_fw-la the_o one_o i_o e._n the_o civil_a magistrate_n must_v give_v the_o sentence_n the_o other_o must_v do_v execution_n answ_n a.s._n 1_o there_o be_v no_o decision_n at_o all_o between_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n and_o a._n s._n for_o a._n s._n be_v but_o a_o private_a man_n neither_o magistrate_n nor_o church-officer_n 2._o neither_o be_v the_o presbyter_n his_o fellow-presbyter_n since_o he_o be_v no_o presbyter_n these_o then_o in_o the_o beginning_n be_v manifest_a untruth_n 3._o neither_o can_v this_o decision_n in_o grant_v a_o intrinsical_a power_n both_o directive_n and_o executive_a to_o the_o church_n and_o a_o extrinsecall_v to_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n viz._n which_o be_v extrinsecall_v in_o respect_n of_o ecclesiastical_a power_n but_o intrinsical_v to_o civil_a power_n make_v the_o church_n or_o ecclesiastical_a assembly_n a_o judge_n and_o the_o parliament_n or_o civil_a magistrate_n a_o hangman_n to_o remember_v his_o most_o humble_a respect_n unto_o the_o king_n parliament_z and_o all_o the_o judge_n of_o this_o kingdom_n for_o the_o ecclesiastical_a assembly_n as_o it_o be_v the_o common_a opinion_n of_o all_o our_o divine_n can_v judge_v of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n his_o duty_n 2._o neither_o have_v they_o ever_o be_v so_o foolish_a as_o m._n s._n most_o passionate_o and_o impudent_o calumniate_v they_o here_o to_o command_v he_o any_o thing_n 3._o they_o acknowledge_v most_o willing_o that_o the_o church_n be_v material_o a_o part_n of_o the_o state_n be_v subject_a to_o civil_a government_n 4._o that_o the_o church_n which_o be_v the_o kingdom_n of_o christ_n have_v no_o civil_a power_n since_o it_o be_v not_o of_o this_o world_n joh._n 18.26_o 5._o that_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n command_v and_o compel_v such_o as_o be_v refractory_a and_o disobedient_a to_o the_o church_n must_v not_o see_v with_o the_o church_n eye_n but_o with_o his_o own_o civil_a or_o political_a eye_n 6._o and_o that_o in_o so_o do_v he_o obey_v not_o the_o church_n or_o any_o ecclesiastical_a power_n but_o god_n who_o power_n he_o exercise_v in_o the_o state_n as_o the_o ecclesiastical_a assembly_n do_v exercise_n christ_n power_n in_o the_o church_n 7._o yea_o more_o that_o sometime_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n may_v not_o punish_v those_o who_o be_v disobedient_a to_o the_o church_n viz._n if_o thereupon_o may_v follow_v the_o undo_n of_o the_o state_n etc._n etc._n 8._o for_o the_o same_o reason_n it_o be_v most_o untrue_a that_o the_o one_o give_v out_o the_o sentence_n and_o the_o other_o must_v do_v execution_n 9_o and_o moreover_o because_o they_o be_v two_o several_a judicatories_n they_o be_v both_o independent_a one_o upon_o another_o howsoever_o both_o divers_a way_n subject_a one_o to_o another_o for_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n be_v subject_a in_o a_o spiritual_a way_n to_o the_o church_n he_o must_v learn_v god_n will_n by_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o church_n who_o be_v god_n ambassador_n send_v unto_o he_o he_o must_v be_v subject_a unto_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n as_o we_o see_v by_o the_o example_n of_o the_o king_n in_o the_o old_a testament_n and_o theodosius_n the_o emperor_n in_o the_o new_a so_o the_o church_n again_o be_v subject_n not_o in_o a_o spiritual_a but_o in_o a_o civil_a way_n to_o the_o government_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n as_o all_o protestant_n and_o minister_n themselves_o confess_v and_o plead_v for_o it_o against_o the_o roman_a clergy_n in_o favour_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n 10._o the_o civil_a magistrate_n have_v power_n not_o to_o receive_v into_o the_o state_n all_o that_o which_o the_o church_n judge_v fit_v he_o may_v irresistable_o hinder_v it_o if_o he_o will_n 11._o if_o he_o be_v carnifex_n because_o that_o he_o command_v it_o to_o be_v put_v in_o execution_n he_o shall_v be_v carnifex_n when_o ever_o he_o shall_v command_v his_o own_o judgement_n to_o be_v put_v in_o execution_n 12._o so_o shall_v independent_o be_v carnifice_n when_o either_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n or_o the_o church_n command_v they_o to_o do_v their_o duty_n 13._o the_o carnifex_n or_o executioner_n pronounce_v not_o a_o sentence_n as_o the_o magistrate_n m._n s._n obj._n 2._o pag._n 33._o the_o civil_a magistrate_n be_v much_o behold_v to_o the_o presbyter_n for_o give_v he_o a_o consecrate_a sword_n to_o fight_v the_o presbiterian_a battle_n and_o for_o persuade_v of_o he_o to_o pull_v out_o his_o own_o eye_n upon_o this_o presumption_n that_o he_o shall_v see_v better_o with_o he_o a._n s._n as_o able_a as_o this_o man_n be_v in_o jeer_a and_o calumniate_a as_o unable_a be_v he_o in_o argue_v against_o this_o truth_n especial_o if_o he_o have_v no_o better_a argument_n in_o his_o budget_n by_o way_n of_o reserve_n than_o what_o he_o bring_v here_o all_o he_o say_v be_v utter_o false_a 1._o the_o presbyterian_o have_v none_o but_o spiritual_a battle_n to_o fight_v 2_o cor._n 10.3_o 4._o the_o weapon_n of_o their_o warfare_n be_v not_o carnal_a 2._o they_o do_v not_o war_n after_o the_o flesh_n neither_o wrestle_n they_o against_o flesh_n and_o blood_n but_o against_o the_o ruler_n of_o the_o darkness_n of_o this_o world_n against_o spiritual_a wickedness_n in_o high_a place_n their_o sword_n be_v the_o sword_n of_o the_o spirit_n eph._n 6.12_o and_o therefore_o they_o can_v nor_o pretend_v they_o to_o give_v he_o this_o spiritual_a sword_n they_o can_v quit_v it_o much_o less_o can_v they_o give_v he_o the_o material_a sword_n which_o be_v none_o of_o they_o to_o give_v for_o he_o have_v it_o of_o god_n he_o be_v the_o minister_n of_o god_n rom._n 13.4_o avenger_n to_o execute_v wrath_n upon_o he_o that_o do_v evil_a 2._o it_o be_v false_a that_o the_o presbyterian_o persuade_v he_o to_o pull_v out_o his_o own_o eye_n or_o to_o see_v with_o they_o 1._o for_o they_o teach_v he_o to_o learn_v the_o gospel_n by_o read_v the_o word_n and_o hear_v it_o preach_v by_o the_o minister_n thereof_o according_a to_o god_n word_n and_o not_o by_o every_o cobbler_n as_o among_o independent_o in_o exercise_v their_o gift_n 2._o and_o afterward_o to_o see_v and_o judge_v by_o his_o own_o eye_n 3._o they_o say_v and_o preach_v that_o it_o be_v a_o great_a sin_n in_o he_o if_o he_o judge_v with_o any_o other_o than_o his_o own_o eye_n 4._o he_o must_v judge_v according_a to_o the_o law_n of_o the_o state_n otherwise_o he_o do_v not_o the_o part_n of_o a_o judge_n 5._o yea_o if_o his_o judgement_n dissent_v from_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o law_n we_o know_v well_o enough_o he_o ought_v to_o quit_v both_o his_o own_o judgement_n and_o that_o of_o the_o church_n and_o to_o judge_v against_o his_o own_o private_a conscience_n according_a to_o the_o law_n and_o his_o

a.s._n answ_n the_o parliament_n have_v power_n and_o a_o call_n to_o judge_n politicè_fw-la about_o the_o church_n and_o church_n matter_n what_o decision_n and_o constitution_n of_o the_o church_n assembly_n they_o will_v approve_v or_o disapprove_v what_o religion_n doctrine_n and_o discipline_n they_o will_v admit_v or_o tolerate_v in_o the_o state_n but_o they_o have_v no_o call_n or_o directive_n authoritative_a power_n in_o the_o church_n to_o judge_v this_o or_o that_o to_o be_v the_o true_a doctrine_n or_o discipline_n this_o belong_v to_o church-officer_n yet_o they_o have_v a_o private_a judgement_n of_o discretion_n about_o such_o matter_n as_o other_o christian_n and_o a_o public_a political_a authoritative_a judgement_n and_o a_o coactive_a political_a power_n to_o compel_v the_o subject_n to_o admit_v in_o the_o state_n such_o or_o such_o a_o true_a doctrine_n or_o discipline_n of_o the_o church_n howbeit_o not_o to_o believe_v it_o or_o to_o love_n or_o approve_v it_o in_o their_o judgement_n or_o will_n m._n s._n ob._n 14._o ask_v whether_o it_o be_v reasonable_a that_o the_o apologist_n matter_n yet_o remain_v undecided_a and_o unjudge_v between_o they_o and_o their_o brethren_n shall_v suffer_v as_o man_n convict_v only_o because_o their_o adversary_n and_o accuser_n the_o brethren_n you_o know_v of_o be_v more_o in_o number_n than_o they_o and_o will_v needs_o continue_v adversary_n to_o they_o a.s._n answ_n 1._o though_o you_o vaunt_v evermore_o of_o your_o suffering_n we_o have_v never_o see_v they_o 2._o these_o who_o you_o unjust_o call_v your_o adversary_n have_v suffer_v much_o more_o than_o you_o and_o yet_o publish_v it_o not_o unto_o the_o world_n 3._o it_o be_v absolute_o false_a that_o you_o suffer_v 4._o and_o yet_o much_o false_a that_o you_o suffer_v as_o man_n convict_v 5._o and_o yet_o false_a that_o you_o suffer_v because_o your_o adversary_n be_v more_o in_o number_n and_o 6._o false_a of_o all_o that_o only_o you_o suffer_v 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their_o own_o private_a authority_n we_o read_v how_o the_o athenian_n sentence_v diagoras_n anaxagoras_n and_o socrates_n for_o their_o new_a opinion_n in_o matter_n of_o religion_n and_o philastrius_n tell_v we_o how_o the_o audiani_n be_v condemn_v for_o heretic_n because_o that_o they_o commend_v all_o sect_n and_o heresy_n why_o not_o also_o the_o independent_o for_o commend_v and_o defend_v the_o toleration_n of_o they_o all_o 19_o because_o we_o pray_v to_o god_n for_o king_n and_o for_o all_o that_o be_v in_o authority_n that_o we_o may_v lead_v a_o quiet_a and_o a_o peaceable_a life_n in_o all_o godliness_n and_o honesty_n 1_o tim._n 2.2_o by_o their_o conversion_n to_o christ_n v._o 3_o 4_o 5._o to_o the_o end_n that_o be_v convert_v they_o may_v defend_v religion_n in_o punish_v heretic_n and_o schismatic_n and_o so_o in_o repress_v of_o schism_n and_o heresy_n 20._o because_o in_o a_o state_n wherein_o all_o man_n profess_v the_o truth_n the_o peace_n of_o the_o state_n can_v be_v otherways_o preserve_v nor_o the_o safety_n of_o the_o kingdom_n which_o be_v the_o ultimate_a end_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n qua_fw-la talis_fw-la and_o the_o supreme_a law_n of_o the_o republic_n be_v obtain_v for_o how_o shall_v peace_n safety_n and_o unity_n be_v procure_v among_o orthodox_n subject_n but_o by_o unity_n in_o truth_n and_o how_o can_v the_o bond_n of_o unity_n be_v any_o way_n so_o soon_o and_o so_o easy_o break_v as_o by_o diversity_n of_o religion_n and_o this_o the_o ecclesiastical_a history_n full_o show_v we_o for_o what_o misery_n can_v these_o schism_n breed_v when_o the_o husband_n be_v of_o one_o religion_n and_o the_o wife_n of_o another_o the_o father_n of_o one_o and_o the_o son_n of_o another_o brethren_n and_o sister_n of_o divers_a religion_n the_o king_n of_o one_o and_o the_o subject_n of_o another_o how_o many_o family_n have_v it_o dissolve_v how_o many_o city_n have_v it_o destroy_v have_v we_o not_o example_n fresh_a and_o bleed_a before_o we_o in_o ireland_n &_o c_o it_o have_v cost_v some_o king_n their_o crown_n some_o their_o life_n and_o endanger_v other_o of_o their_o life_n and_o kingdom_n both_o yea_o what_o be_v one_o of_o the_o principal_a cause_n of_o our_o present_a division_n betwixt_o the_o king_n and_o the_o subject_n be_v not_o arminianism_n socinianism_n the_o archiepiscopall_a i_o know_v not_o what_o religion_n some_o call_v it_o popery_n some_o socinianism_n other_o arminianism_n other_o lutheranism_n other_o some_o mixture_n of_o religion_n not_o much_o unlike_a to_o samaritanism_n but_o be_v it_o what_o it_o will_v diversity_n of_o religion_n and_o not_o punish_v of_o heretic_n and_o schismatic_n be_v the_o principal_a cause_n of_o all_o these_o our_o misery_n and_o confusion_n 21._o the_o civil_a magistrate_n be_v to_o punish_v such_o as_o marry_v with_o those_o of_o a_o contrary_a religion_n and_o that_o because_o they_o be_v of_o contrary_a religion_n as_o appear_v by_o the_o text_n of_o scripture_n already_o allege_v deut._n 7.2.3_o how_o much_o more_o those_o who_o be_v of_o contrary_a religion_n nam_fw-la propter_fw-la quod_fw-la unumquodque_fw-la tale_n id_fw-la magis_fw-la tale_n for_o it_o be_v a_o great_a sin_n to_o be_v a_o idolater_n or_o a_o heretic_n then_o to_o be_v marry_v to_o they_o 22._o those_o with_o who_o we_o can_v enter_v into_o covenant_n can_v be_v tolerate_v among_o we_o but_o must_v be_v at_o least_o exile_v by_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n for_o to_o live_v among_o we_o they_o must_v at_o least_o enter_v into_o covenant_n with_o we_o for_o a_o offensive_a and_o defensive_a war_n against_o foreign_a enemy_n but_o with_o idolater_n heretic_n etc._n etc._n we_o can_v enter_v into_o covenant_n deut._n 7.2_o so_o esdras_n and_o nehemiah_n above_o quote_v ergo_fw-la 23._o because_o god_n have_v promise_v to_o destroy_v our_o enemy_n if_o we_o destroy_v he_o wherefore_o rather_o than_o god_n shall_v not_o destroy_v we_o be_v it_o not_o policy_n to_o labour_v the_o destruction_n of_o he_o 24._o the_o man_n who_o will_v not_o hearken_v to_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o church_n and_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n the_o civil_a magistrate_n must_v punish_v he_o but_o heretic_n and_o schismatic_n be_v the_o man_n who_o will_v not_o hearken_v unto_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o church_n and_o to_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n ergo_fw-la the_o civil_a magistrate_n must_v punish_v they_o the_o first_o proposition_n be_v clear_a the_o man_n that_o will_v do_v presumptuous_o and_o will_v not_o hearken_v unto_o the_o priest_n or_o unto_o the_o judge_n even_o that_o man_n shall_v die_v deut._n 12.12_o neither_o know_v i_o what_o can_v be_v answer_v save_v only_o that_o that_o must_v be_v understand_v of_o the_o priest_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n but_o there_o be_v the_o same_o reason_n for_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o new_a testament_n viz._n 1

profess_v the_o true_a faith_n 3._o nor_o of_o every_o visible_a church_n of_o believer_n but_o of_o that_o which_o be_v compound_v of_o all_o its_o organical_a part_n viz._n preacher_n teacher_n rule_v elder_n deacon_n and_o flock_n 4._o it_o be_v to_o be_v observe_v that_o this_o church_n be_v either_o real_a or_o representative_a we_o call_v real_a church_n those_o wherein_o such_o church_n officer_n and_o flock_n be_v real_o as_o in_o every_o parish_n provincial_n or_o nation_n church_n but_o a_o representative_a church_n be_v that_o wherein_o the_o real_a church_n be_v represent_v in_o her_o church_n officer_n as_o a_o presbytery_n session_n or_o consistory_n consist_v of_o the_o preacher_n and_o rule_v elder_n or_o the_o deacon_n also_o of_o a_o parish_n church_n gather_v together_o for_o order_v of_o church_n business_n in_o doctrine_n government_n or_o otherways_o who_o altogether_o represent_v the_o church_n of_o a_o parish_n a_o class_n that_o represent_v that_o of_o a_o class_n and_o judge_v of_o all_o the_o church_n business_n of_o one_o class_n a_o provincial_n synod_n which_o consist_v of_o the_o minister_n and_o a_o certain_a number_n of_o rule_v elder_n of_o one_o province_n represent_v all_o the_o real_a church_n of_o such_o a_o province_n in_o judge_v of_o church_n affair_n in_o that_o province_n and_o a_o nationall_n synod_n compound_v of_o a_o certain_a number_n of_o minister_n and_o ruling_n elder_n depute_v from_o all_o the_o province_n of_o the_o nation_n to_o judge_v of_o the_o church_n business_n in_o doctrine_n discipline_n etc._n etc._n which_o concern_v the_o whole_a church_n of_o such_o a_o nation_n or_o kingdom_n 2._o concern_v the_o subordination_n of_o ecclesiastical_a judicatories_n it_o be_v to_o be_v observe_v 1._o that_o a_o ecclesiastical_a judicatory_a be_v nothing_o else_o but_o a_o certain_a number_n of_o man_n gather_v together_o and_o endow_v with_o a_o authoritative_a power_n according_a to_o god_n will_v to_o judge_v of_o church_n business_n for_o god_n glory_n and_o the_o weal_n of_o the_o church_n or_o in_o a_o word_n the_o representative_a church_n of_o one_o parish_n class_n province_n nation_n or_o of_o all_o the_o world_n 2._o that_o subordination_n in_o ecclesiastical_a judicatories_n be_v a_o relation_n of_o order_n betwixt_o a_o superior_a and_o a_o inferior_a judicatory_a or_o representative_a church_n whereby_o the_o judgement_n and_o authority_n of_o the_o inferior_a depend_v upon_o the_o judgement_n and_o authority_n of_o the_o superior_a such_o we_o conceive_v to_o be_v betwixt_o presbytery_n and_o class_n class_n and_o provincial_n provincial_n and_o nationall_n nationall_n and_o ecumenical_a synod_n 3._o here_o it_o will_v be_v note_v that_o this_o subordination_n be_v ground_v upon_o the_o authoritative_a power_n of_o superior_a judicatories_n over_o their_o inferior_n or_o subordinate_v and_o therefore_o here_o be_v to_o be_v note_v first_o that_o this_o power_n of_o the_o church_n be_v not_o natural_a that_o flow_v from_o the_o nature_n or_o essence_n of_o the_o subject_a such_o as_o be_v the_o faculty_n of_o the_o soul_n nor_o habitual_a or_o a_o habitude_n either_o natural_o acquire_v by_o custom_n or_o supernatural_o infuse_v by_o grace_n for_o man_n may_v have_v all_o the_o natural_a faculty_n of_o the_o soul_n and_o many_o natural_a and_o supernatural_a habitude_n yea_o all_o those_o that_o be_v necessary_a for_o this_o authoritative_a power_n and_o yet_o not_o have_v it_o as_o any_o one_o may_v easy_o see_v in_o many_o learned_a and_o godly_a divine_n who_o be_v not_o minister_n of_o the_o church_n and_o consequent_o have_v no_o authoritative_a power_n in_o the_o church_n but_o it_o be_v a_o moral_a power_n ordinary_o call_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d or_o potestas_fw-la whereby_o in_o virtue_n of_o god_n ordinance_n the_o superior_a church_n have_v power_n over_o the_o inferior_n or_o other_o church_n subordinate_v unto_o she_o to_o rectify_v their_o judgement_n in_o case_n of_o aberration_n or_o to_o enjoin_v they_o any_o thing_n according_a to_o god_n holy_a ordinance_n so_o when_o particular_a church_n judge_v any_o thing_n amiss_o either_o in_o doctrine_n or_o discipline_n a_o class_n or_o a_o provincial_n synod_n may_v judge_v of_o that_o judgement_n and_o in_o case_n it_o find_v it_o have_v need_n may_v in_o the_o name_n of_o god_n command_v it_o to_o reform_v its_o judgement_n and_o in_o case_n of_o disobedience_n command_v the_o people_n not_o to_o obey_v their_o pastor_n or_o presbytery_n command_n or_o if_o there_o be_v any_o thing_n that_o concern_v the_o weal_n of_o all_o the_o church_n in_o the_o kingdom_n the_o nationall_n synod_n have_v a_o authoritative_a power_n to_o judge_v it_o and_o enjoin_v it_o upon_o the_o church_n in_o the_o name_n of_o god_n so_o may_v a_o provincial_n church_n do_v in_o thing_n concern_v all_o the_o church_n of_o a_o province_n i_o call_v a_o authoritative_a power_n that_o which_o may_v command_v and_o in_o virtue_n of_o its_o command_n enjoin_v a_o obligation_n of_o obedience_n upon_o all_o those_o that_o be_v subject_a thereunto_o and_o in_o case_n of_o disobedience_n inflict_v spiritual_a punishment_n according_a to_o the_o quality_n of_o the_o disobedience_n viz._n simple_a censure_n the_o lesser_a or_o great_a excommunication_n if_o you_o inquire_v further_o what_o be_v this_o moral_a power_n or_o wherein_o it_o consist_v i_o answer_v it_o be_v no_o real_a but_o a_o moral_a be_v it_o be_v no_o real_a quality_n in_o the_o subject_a that_o have_v it_o and_o consequent_o it_o be_v no_o real_a or_o natural_a power_n but_o as_o 〈◊〉_d be_v a_o natural_a power_n for_o as_o our_o natural_a power_n and_o faculty_n do_v flow_v from_o the_o essence_n of_o the_o subject_a or_o from_o our_o essential_a form_n so_o do_v this_o moral_a power_n flow_v from_o the_o consent_n and_o will_n of_o they_o who_o give_v it_o and_o his_o will_n who_o consent_v to_o accept_v it_o and_o this_o consent_n produce_v such_o a_o moral_a power_n or_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v no_o less_o forma_fw-la internè_fw-la vel_fw-la externè_fw-la denominans_fw-la &_o efficaciter_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d producens_fw-la quàm_fw-la forma_fw-la essentialis_fw-la be_v forma_fw-la informans_fw-la potentiam_fw-la naturalem_fw-la a_o se_fw-la &_o in_o se_fw-la vel_fw-la in_o subjecto_fw-la profundens_fw-la and_o as_o natural_a power_n be_v for_o the_o weal_n of_o their_o subject_n in_o accomplish_v and_o perfect_v of_o they_o in_o their_o operation_n convenient_a to_o their_o nature_n so_o it_o be_v this_o moral_a power_n for_o the_o weal_n of_o its_o moral_a subject_n or_o of_o the_o consociation_n in_o perfect_v it_o in_o its_o operation_n convenient_a to_o its_o moral_a be_v domestical_a political_a or_o ecclesiastical_a in_o nature_n or_o in_o grace_n wherefore_o amesius_n and_o sundry_a independent_o that_o follow_v his_o opinion_n be_v mighty_o mistake_v while_o they_o think_v it_o flow_v from_o the_o essence_n of_o the_o church_n 1._o for_o it_o have_v not_o its_o be_v from_o the_o essence_n of_o the_o church_n but_o ex_fw-la instituto_fw-la divino_fw-la 2._o because_o it_o be_v not_o produce_v necessary_o as_o natural_a propriety_n but_o free_o and_o willing_o not_o as_o depend_v upon_o nature_n but_o upon_o will._n 3._o if_o it_o do_v flow_v from_o the_o essence_n of_o the_o church_n god_n can_v not_o change_v it_o and_o yet_o howsoever_o this_o moral_a power_n have_v no_o real_a be_v in_o itself_o yet_o may_v it_o be_v call_v real_a 1._o in_o consideration_n of_o its_o cause_n viz._n of_o the_o real_a destination_n of_o the_o will_n from_o which_o it_o be_v produce_v 2._o of_o its_o foundation_n viz._n because_o it_o presuppose_v some_o real_a quality_n in_o he_o or_o those_o who_o have_v it_o viz._n natural_a faculty_n and_o some_o natural_a or_o supernatural_a ability_n to_o exercise_v it_o 3._o of_o its_o effect_n that_o be_v real_a for_o howsoever_o the_o power_n of_o a_o magistrate_n be_v not_o a_o real_a quality_n yet_o it_o be_v able_a to_o produce_v very_o real_a effect_n in_o subject_n in_o remunerate_v such_o as_o deserve_v well_o of_o the_o state_n and_o in_o punish_v delinquent_n as_o by_o imprison_v their_o person_n or_o cut_v off_o their_o head_n if_o the_o crime_n be_v of_o that_o nature_n again_o it_o must_v be_v observe_v that_o this_o moral_a power_n be_v 1._o either_o mere_o directive_n which_o only_o show_v what_o be_v to_o be_v do_v or_o imperative_a that_o can_v only_o show_v or_o discern_v what_o be_v to_o be_v do_v but_o also_o command_v and_o in_o virtue_n of_o such_o a_o command_n bind_v those_o that_o be_v subject_a to_o such_o a_o power_n to_o obedience_n and_o in_o case_n of_o disobedience_n inflict_v condign_a punishment_n 2._o that_o this_o moral_a power_n be_v either_o civil_a or_o ecclesiastical_a the_o first_o belong_v to_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n the_o second_o to_o ecclesiastical_a person_n 3._o

reject_v it_o than_o the_o judgement_n at_o antioch_n which_o they_o do_v not_o but_o acquiesce_v therein_o for_o any_o thing_n we_o know_v to_o the_o contrary_n 6._o some_o may_v peradventure_o prove_v it_o in_o this_o manner_n that_o if_o it_o have_v not_o be_v a_o synod_n and_o a_o superior_a judicatory_a in_o respect_n of_o antioch_n those_o of_o antioch_n have_v not_o send_v the_o two_o party_n but_o have_v do_v better_a to_o have_v send_v some_o indifferent_a person_n for_o indifferent_a person_n be_v more_o proper_a to_o consult_v a_o business_n than_o the_o party_n 7._o if_o it_o have_v be_v judge_v at_o jerusalem_n by_o way_n of_o counsel_n only_o this_o counsel_n have_v likely_o be_v only_o give_v to_o the_o church_n of_o antioch_n for_o counsel_n ordinary_o be_v only_o give_v to_o those_o who_o desire_n and_o crave_v it_o but_o so_o it_o be_v not_o here_o for_o the_o church_n of_o jerusalem_n not_o only_o judge_v so_o concern_v the_o church_n of_o antioch_n alone_o but_o also_o of_o all_o other_o and_o the_o apostle_n and_o their_o disciple_n urge_v this_o judgement_n upon_o all_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o church_n where_o they_o pass_v some_o new-england_n preacher_n answer_v that_o this_o assembly_n at_o jerusalem_n clear_v up_o the_o truth_n dogmatical_o for_o the_o word_n translate_v decree_n be_v in_o the_o original_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d act._n 16.4_o but_o import_v not_o to_o censure_n item_n that_o they_o can_v see_v why_o the_o ultimate_a power_n of_o censure_n may_v not_o reside_v in_o the_o congregation_n as_o well_o as_o in_o the_o synod_n provincial_n nationall_n or_o ecumenical_a a.s._n answ_n this_o can_v hold_v 1._o for_o whoever_o have_v a_o dogmatic_a power_n they_o have_v also_o a_o power_n to_o censure_n for_o he_o who_o may_v judge_v that_o this_o must_v be_v believe_v and_o according_a to_o god_n word_n merit_v such_o a_o ecclesiastical_a or_o spiritual_a punishment_n wherefore_o may_v he_o not_o also_o sentence_v the_o 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