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A05534 A treatise of the ceremonies of the church vvherein the points in question concerning baptisme, kneeling, at the sacrament, confirmation, festiuities, &c. are plainly handled and manifested to be lawfull, as they are now vsed in the Church of England : whereunto is added a sermon preached by a reuerend bishop. Lindsay, David, d. 1641? 1625 (1625) STC 15657.5; ESTC S2190 273,006 442

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some testimonies out of S. Ambrose S. Augustine and S. Chrysostome to proue the adoration of the consecrated Hoste answers That the Fathers say nothing but that which wee willingly graunt Is there any amongst vs saith he who euer denyed that we ought to adore the flesh of Iesus Christ Who euer doubted that wee ought to adore him in the Eucharist But he that adores Iesus Christ in the Eucharist does not for all that adore that which the Priest holds in his hand but he adores Iesus Christ who is in Heauen These worthie men scorne as yee see Bellarmines argument howbeit wee can take out of an enemies mouth and make somewhat of nothing to beare out our owne conceits Th. Beza did not approue this gesture of kneeling yet did he neuer esteeme it Idolatrie as some of our Spirits doe In his 12. Epistle he writes thus Geniculatio dum symbola accipiuntur speciem quidem habet piae Christianae venerationis ac proinde olim potuit cum fructu vsurpari Tamen quoniam ex hoc fonte orta est 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 illa detestabilis adhuc in animis multorum haerens merito sublata esse videtur Interea tamen cum ista non sint per se idololatrica idem de illis quod de praecedentibus sentimus And what was that Propterea non esse deserendū ministerium possunt enim inquit debent multa tolerari in Ecclesia quae recte non praecipiuntur This was the iudgement of that worthie and reuerend man But there came out a Pamphlet in the yeare 1608 written by some peruerse Spirit in the English Church of this argument which findes too good entertainement in some of you my Brethren Worse and more desperate Blasphemies did neuer any Arriane cast out for this directly he saies That in the receyuing the holy Communion we ought not vse any right that may signifie our inferioritie vnto Christ neyther should we abase our selues there but acknowledge and thinke vs his equalls I pray God keepe vs from this Diuinitie Doubtlesse such conceits as these brought the Church of Pole in that generall Synode which was kept anno 1578. simply to condemne sitting as a ceremonie vnhonest and vnlawfull for so holy an exercise In the act concerning ceremonies to bee vsed in the administration of the Supper they haue these words Libertati christianae donamus vt stantes vel genua flectentes pij Sacramentum corporis sanguinis Christi sumant Sessionis verò ad mensam Domini quia illi authores huius ritus extiterunt qui à nobis ad Arrianismum perfide transfugi facti sunt hanc propriam ipsis vt Christum sacra eius irreuerenter tractantibus tauquam minus honestam religinsam simplicioribusque admodum scandalosam ceremoniam reijcimus VVe may not thinke it was any light cause which made that Church thus peremptorie in their decree Their troubles were great and as I heare yet are by the Arrians And beleeue mee Brethren such as can away with the speeches of that Pamphlet are not far frō that side Wee haue learned otherwayes to honour the Sonne as wee honour the Father and he that honours not the Sonne so in euery place especially in the participation of the holy Supper should be to vs as a Iew or Pagan I shall insist no louger in this purpose It is an excellent passage that of Saint Augustine vpon the 98. Psalme Nemo carnem illam manducat nisi prius adorauerit That is No man can eate that flesh vnlesse first he haue adored For my selfe I thinke sitting in the beginning was not euilly instituted and since by our Church continued for wee may adore while we are sitting aswell as kneeling yet the gesture which becommeth adoration best is that of bowing of the knee and the irreligion of these times craues that we should put men more vnto it then we doe Thus I haue shewed you the iudgement of the best Reforformed Churches touching these Articles Thereby you haue seene that there is nothing impious or vnlawfull in them they who shew a dislike of some of them in the last Assembly could not say other And surely if it cannot bee shewed that they are repugnant to the written Word I see not with what conscience wee can refuse them being vrged as they are by our Souereigne Lord and King A King who is not a stranger to Diuinitie but hath such acquaintance with it as Rome neuer found in the confessions of all men a more potent Aduersary a King neither superstitious nor inclinable that way but one that seekes to haue God righlty and truly worshipped by all his Subiects His Person were he not our Souereigne giues them sufficient authoritie being recommended by him for hee knowes the nature of things and the consequences of them what is fit for a Church to haue and what not better then we doe all But I heare some answere That were it knowne these things proceeded of himselfe they would make the lesse question of them but they are thought to come by the suggestion of some of the English Church or them of our selues at home For the first I will but remember you of his Maiesties owne Declaration in the Chappell of Saint Andrewes where with a great attestation more then needed from a Prince to his Subiects Hee declared that neither the desire he had for conforming his Churches nor the soliciation of any person did set him on this worke but his zeale for God and a certaine knowledge that hee could not answere it in that great Day if hee should neglect this dutie His Maiesties Letter to the last Assembly beares so much also Now any of vs would take it euill not to be beleeued after our solemne attestations and I trust in all your confessions his Maiestie deserues some greater respect As to that which is supposed of vs at home my selfe chiefly if I shall beleeue the rumours that are going I will borrow that notable man his speech in a case not vnlike Mihi hactenus propemodum fatale fuit Caluine putidis his calumnijs quotidie onerari ego autem vt sanctè testari possum me inscio ac ne optante quidem haec proposita ita ab initio in animum induxi inuidiam potius tacendo lenare quàm excusationes quaerere minus solicitas This was my resolution and I should not change it but that I will not haue a misconceit of my doings to leade you into an offence I therefore in the presence of the Almightie God and of this honourable Assembly solemnely protest that without my knowledge against my desire and when I least expected these Articles were sent vnto mee not to be proponed to the Church but to bee inserted amongst the Canons thereof which then were in gathering touching which point I humbly excused my selfe that I could not insert amongst the Canons that which was not first aduised with the Church and desired they might bee referred to another