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A14450 A learned and excellent treatise containing all the principall grounds of Christian religion Set downe by way of conference in a most plaine and familiar manner. Written first in French by maister Mathew Virell, after translated into Latine: and now turned into English for the vse of our country-men.; Religion chrestienne declarée par dialogue. English Virel, Matthieu.; Egerton, Stephen, 1555?-1621? 1594 (1594) STC 24768; ESTC S119631 209,162 292

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word of God which is most certaine and vpon the truth whereof resteth all Christian doctrine The. What vnderstandest thou by the word of God Mat. The Canonicall books of the Bible whereunto for this cause is giuen the name of holy Scripture Theoph. How came it to passe that those Bookes were called the Bible Mat The Christians of the primitiue Church after they had gathered into one volume the bookes of the Prophets and Apostles by an excellency called that volume in Greeke 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 because those bookes farre passe others For truly the word of God in worthinesse and excellency goeth beyond all the words of men Theoph. But how maie it certainely be proued that the doctrine which is contained in those bookes is the word of God seeing that the Prophets and Apostles who it is certainely knowne were men were the authors and writers of them Mat. First of all indeed it is necessarie that the holy Ghost which spake by them nay whose instruments onely they were do engraue that faith in our hearts Then that assurance maie be confirmed by obseruing the speciall excellency which it is easie to perceiue in those writings as also the most holy effects which they worke in vs. Theoph. What excellency do you meane Mat. effect 1 First of all the maiesty of the Spirit of God which shineth in thē most euidently For euery where there appeare diuine and heauenlie things nothing earthlie and mortall or that agreeth with the corrupt affections of the flesh effect 2 Secondly the consent of all the parts among them selues for although they were written by diuerse writers in sundry places and at sundrie times yet there is no lesse agreement betweene them then if they had agreed together of the matter before effect 3 Finally the fulfilling of all the prophesies deliuered long before yet precisely accomplished each of them in their proper time Ier. 26. 12. Dan 9. 24. Hence it is that Dauid giueth thē most excellent commendation saying Psal 12. 6. The words of the Lord are pure words as the siluer is tried in a fornace of earth fined seauen fold I say nothing of their antiquitie and that not without a miracle they were preserued among so manie enemies which wold haue destroied them and among such cruell persecutions Theoph. But what holy effects do they worke in vs Mat. This generall we maie marke that the Church hath alwaies as it is at this day beene gathered together by the authoritie of the holy Scripture that is to saie a companie of men of diuers ages sexes and conditions which worshippeth God according to the instructions and doctrine of that Scripture a good part whereof in all ages hath sealed the same with their bloud But the speciall or particular effects are that they rauish the reader enforce him to the reuerēce of God no otherwise then as if God himself did speak Moreouer that by the reading of them our hearts are touched with an earnest feeling of our sinnes Last of all that they lift vp our minds aboue all heauens kindle within vs a desire of a better life cause vs that in comparison thereof we do easily despise all other things All which are not done by the writings of men notwithstanding they be artificiallie handled Therefore the Apostle to the Hebrues saith that the word of God is liuing mightie in operation and piercing more then anie two edged sword and that it doth reach euen Heb. 4. 12. to the diuiding asunder of the soule and the spirite of the ioynts and marrow Theoph. Verily these are most strong arguments to prooue the truth of Gods word But there bee some which say that all the authority of it dependeth vpon the Church Mat. They do as if one should say that the light of the sunne hangeth vpon the testimony of men For as the Sunne shall not cease to shine although all men be blind euen so the word of God shall neuer receiue losse whether it be allowed or dissalowed of men Moreouer how can it be that the authority of the word of God should depend vpon the allowance or consent of the Church seeing that the Church it selfe borroweth all her authoritie of the word as it were of her foundation for it is built vpon the foundation of Ephes 2. 20. the Apostles and Prophets Theoph. But they say that in this place it is not meant of the truth of the word in it selfe but of the meane whereby it is vnderstood and receiued of men Which they affirme to hang vppon the testimony and allowance of the Church To which purpose they alleadge this saying of a certaine Father I should not haue beleeued the Gospell if the authoritie of the Aug. contra epist fund Manich. Church did not moue me Mat. This sentence maketh not for them For this was the mind of that holy man that being a stranger from the faith he was moued by the authoritie of the Church to embrace the Gospell and that after by the working of the holy Ghost he was confirmed it that faith Which hee doth a little before declare in these words The Church first calleth vs to beleeue that which yet we are not able to see that being made strōger in faith we may come to vnderstand that which we beleeue not now men but God himselfe inwardly strengthening and lightning our mind Which thing I doubt not but it is true namely that the witnesse which the Church giueth to the word of God doth not a little moue vs to embrace it But then onely this is when our faith is beginning for when it is come to any age and we our selues by reading hearing of the word haue tasted of that truth then we beleeue not by the testimony of the Church but by that which the holie Ghost sealeth in our hearts In so much as if the Church should then teach vs a doctrin diuerse from that we would not giue our consents vnto it This shall be made plaine by the example of the Samaritanes Those hearing the report of the woman with whō the Lord had spokē that he was the Christ beleeued But after that themselues had heard him they said vnto the woman now wee beleeue not any Ioh. 4. 39. 42. more for thy saying for we haue heard him our selues and do know that this is indeede the Christ the Sauiour of the world Theoph. This example bringeth no small light to this doubt But hitherto sufficientlie of the truth and authoritie of the word of God now let vs in a few words consider what it doth containe Mat. It hath in it at large whatsoeuer concerneth the glorie of God for our good and saluation Theoph. By what meanes doth it teach vs to attaine saluation Mat. By the true knowledge of God and of Iesus Christ which it doth teach Teoph Let vs therefore first intreate of the knowledge of God and after we will speake of Christ in the proper place What do the
the whole man 2 The other is that that particular iudgement may be proclaimed before all men and so there maie be a more manifest declaration of God his righteousnesse Therefore the Scripture affirmeth that in that day both good and bad shal be iudged by Christ according to their workes which without doubt shall bee brought to light as it were manifest testimonies either of the faith or the vnbeliefe lying hid in the heart although faith it selfe or vnbeliefe in those that come to years be special causes either of the saluation or damnation of men as it is declared by the Iudge himselfe Ioh. 3. 18. 5. 24. He that beleeueth in me is not condemned but hee which beleeueth not is condemned alreadie because he hath not beleeued in the name of the onely begotten Sonne of God Theoph. Why Christs death is mētioned oftner in the Scriptures then the other things he did for vs I do now at length acknowledge all the articles which appertaine to the faith in Christ to be indeed profitable yea necessarie to the establishment of our faith I would notwithstanding know why in the Scriptures his death onely is for the most part spoken of as in that place of Paule Rom. 5. 10. We are reconciled by the death of his sonne Mat. By such kind of speeches the scriptures desirous of breuity and shortnes of the chiefe part nameth the whole Neuerthelesse sometimes his resurrection also Rom. 4. 25. is ioyned because in it Christ ouercame death whereupon it is that the force of Christs death hangeth vpon his resurrection For if Christ be not raised vp saith Paul 1. Cor. 15. 14 our faith is vaine This also is to be noted by the way that the death of Christ is not seldome vnderstood by his bloud because that powring out of his bloud amongst other things which he suffered for vs is verse excellent and notable Theoph. Bring forth some testimonies for it Mat. They are to be found euerie where in the holy writings Peace being made by the bloud of Christ by him he hath reconciled all thinges to him selfe as well those that bee in earth as those that be in heauen that is to saie both those that be in the Church alreadie receiued into heauen as those that bee yet in the militant Church below 1. Pet. 1. 19 We were redeemed not with corruptible things as siluer or gold but with the precious bloud as of a Lambe without spot and vndefiled euen of Christ Rom. 5. 9. We are iustified by the bloud of Christ The third part of the Apostles Creed which is faith in the holy Ghost Theoph. Wee haue proceeded farre inough concerning faith in Christ Now therefore wee must come to the third part of the Creed which is of the holy Ghost whereunto thou did dest attribute that it doth sanctifie vs and ioyne vs with Christ But there bee two things which I wil propound vnto thee to be declared 1 First wherein that sanctification standeth 2 Secondly in what sence thou saiest that wee are by the holy Ghost ioyned with Christ forasmuch as euen now thou ascribedst that vnto faith Math. The sanctification which the holy Ghost worketh in vs standeth herein that it amendeth the corruption planted in our mindes and repaireth the decay of our soules otherwise cast away and vndone by originall sinne Theoph. Declare to mee the effects of that repairing Mat. First of all it lightneth our minds so as we do acknowledge the true God in Christ and yeeld him the worship due to his maiestie Secondly it reformeth our hearts working faith in them which pietie or godlinesse followeth that is to say the loue and feare of God from whence also springeth repentance it selfe For this faith which lieth hid in the heart sheweth it selfe as it were visible to the eyes But the sanctification whereof we speake is not seldome called by the name of regeneration Theoph. Why is it called also by this name Math. Because when the holy Ghost by his grace and vertue worketh in vs stedfastly to beleeue the things which in former times wee condemned and that truely repenting wee do the things which be directly contrarie to our former actions Ephe. 4. 24. 2. Cor. 5. 17 we do in verie deede seeme to be borne againe and to be made new men as Paule speaketh And verily then all the parts and qualities of our soule are so reformed as they may seeme to be altogether changed Theoph. What our regenetatiō or sanctification is Therefore this sanctification or regeneration is nothing else but the repairing of the image of God which we lost in Adam Math. Thou iudgest rightly and Paule himselfe testifieth this whē he saith Col. 3. 10. that we haue put on the new man which is renued into knowledge agreeable to the image or likenesse of him that created him But Christ is he by whom that likenesse of God is brought from Heauen vnto vs and communicated by spirituall regeneration euen as Adam by carnall generation had made vs partakers of sinne with him Theoph. Thou speakest of two generations verie much differing the one from the other I meane the first which wee haue from Adam from that which Christ worketh in vs by his spirit Mat. Verily by that first generation wee are borne vnto sinne but by this latter we are borne vnto righteousnesse 2 By the first we are borne children of wrath by the later children of God 3 By the first we are borne vnto death by the later vnto euerlasting life And for this cause Christ said to Nicodemus Ioh. 3. 3. Except a man be borne againe hee cannot not see the kingdome of God Theop. Hitherto I haue heard what sanctification or regeneration is namely that it consisteth in the vnderstanding of heauenly things concerning our saluation and in the reformation of our heart will which causeth vs to beleeue in God through Christ to obey him But how is it that the Apostle whom thou citedst speaking of this repairing maketh mention only of the vnderstanding and not of the wil For he saith that we haue put on that new man which is renued into knowledge Col. 3. 10. agreeable to the image of him that created him Mat. In that place indeede there is onely mention of knowledge but vnder the name of knowledge are vnderstood both holinesse of life reformatiō Which also in another place are by name spokē of by the same Apostle when he saith Ephes 4. 24. that that newe man is put on which is created after God in righteousnesse and true holinesse Thou seest that in those places one part is taken for both because they are at once or together reformed by the holy Ghost although in diuerse maner For to some he giueth more knowledge then reformation And contrariwise to some others more zeale and reformation then knowledge Theop. But how is it that there be many also found vnto whom there is giuen more