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A91654	A reply of two of the brethren to A.S. wherein you have observations on his considerations, annotations, &c. Upon the apologeticall narration. With a plea for libertie of conscience for the apologists church way; against the cavils of the said A. S. formerly called M. S. to A. S. Humbly submitted to the judgements of all rationall, and moderate men in the world. With a short survey of W. R. his Grave confutation of the separation, and some modest, and innocent touches on the letter from Zeland, and Mr. Parker's from New-England.	Parker, Thomas, 1595-1677.; Steuart, Adam.	1644 (1644)	Wing R1048B; Thomason E54_18; ESTC R2612	108,370	124

A REPLY of two of the Brethren TO A. S. WHEREIN YOU HAVE OBSERVATIONS ON HIS CONSIDERATIONS ANNOTATIONS c. Upon the Apologeticall Narration WITH A Plea for Libertie of Conscience for the Apologists Church way Against the Cavils of the said A.S. Formerly called M. S. to A. S. Humbly submitted to the judgements of all rationall and moderate men in the world With a short survey of W. R. his Grave confutation of the Separation and some modest and innocent touches on the LETTER from ZELAND And Mr. PARKER'S from New-England The second Edition corrected and inlarged Nec Imperiale est dicendi libertatem negare nec Sacerdotale quod sentias non decere Ambr. Ep. 17. Licenced and Entred according to Order London Printed by M. Simmons for H. Overton 1644. A Word to the READER shewing the Causes of this second Edition VIZ. NOt meer importunity of friends though many but 1. To undisplease if it may be some of the contrary judgement by blotting out some sharp expressions though extorted forced and wrung forth by the violent hammering and inculcating provocations of A. S. as may be seen in severall passages of his Observations c. 2. To please the Author in rectifying the accidental leaving out as also the insertings in of somethings that gave not that self-content as some may deem 3. For the explanation of some things to the Reader Brevis esse laboro obscurus fio haste causeth brevity brevity obscurity The want or change of an and the not or that c. oft-times makes a Sentence go heavie and harsh 4. To set right some materiall mistakes in printing 5. And lastly to tell A. S. why no names at length were put to their book viz. because he did not put his name at length to his nor hath hee any where in print owned it that we know of Therefore have the two brethren who only for dispatch joyned in this Reply to A. S. forborn also in this second Edition to subscribe their names though they doubt not by Gods grace to make good any thing they have written Farewell A. S. SOME OBSERVATIONS AND ANNOTATIONS VPON THE APOLOGETICALL NARRATION Humbly submitted to the Honorable Houses of PARLIAMENT the most Reverend and learned DIVINES of the Assembly and all the Protestant Churches here in this Island and abroad M.S. IF A. S. his heart be rent with discontent in two pieces as he saith in his Epistle at the innocent bleatings of that wronged Lambe the Apologie surely our hearts more justly may bee rent in twenty pieces to heare and see this roring Lyon-like Reply with his many clawes of Observations Annotations Considerations Notes renting and tearing that modest and innocent thing and no man saying to him Why doest thou so Is this the use men make of pressing Sermons and printed Considerations to stay and wait what the Assembly would doe that some preach others print for their own way on the one side whilest the other stand still to be beaten muffled and bound up from speaking by Pen and Presse without much striving The Apologie did but tell men with as gratious words as much sweetnesse as a thing could speake how farre they did recede from and disclaim Separation and Brownisme and how neere they did cloze with the present reformed Churches even beyond expectation see how many stinging flies are and about to a light upon this youngling newly eaned One buzzing to the other as one Raven inviting another at this lambing-time of the yeare that the young brood at the same minute may see the light and lose their eyes How many Replyes in a few weekes appearingly have turned the world if not the Church upside downe most men seeming to bee resolved before the Arguments are solved Beleeve it it workes more upon the spirits of the best men then ever any thing yet that befell this Kingdome Things before were irregular enough but now preposterous before resolute enough now violent before the body of the Kingdome the Common-wealth was sore sick now the soule the Church THE TITLE OF THE BOOKE The Title of the Booke in the Title page and the first page is Son● Observations Annotations and Generall Considerations upon the Apologeticall Narration humbly submitted to the Honorable Houses of Parliament the most reverend and learned Divines of the Assembly and all the Protestant Churches here in this Island and abroad A title carying a great breadth with it and soaring high as if A. S. were confident that in his booke he speakes learnedly as a Scholar truly as an honest man gravely as a serious man and lovingly as a Christian man and that all these waies hee did make good that title which if it bee shaped to the booke and read according to the rode thereof I speake it seriously and with a sad heart these being no times nor things for jesting or jearing which is the fault of A. S. * A. P. M. said A. S. jeer'd Another Gentlemā said he liked not the spirit of the man yet neither of them Independents may most justly be read thus In Observations and in Considerations simply committed against the Honorable Houses of Parliament the reverend Assembly of Divines and the Protestant Churches at home and abroad For this one single simple A. S. now starts up by himselfe peremptorily to state and determine the Questions for the resolution wherof the Parliament thought the Assembly of Divines few enough to undertake and therefore call'd all them together for that purpose who are now most intent upon the pin of the controversie yet as if A. S. would take the worke out of their hands he will anticipate and fore-judge the five Ministers as utterly erring throughout for he sifts them corne after corne which if true the dispute is an end Goe then A. S. and carrie if you dare your platforme to the Parliament and intreate the learned Assembly to dissolve But A. S. will goe his owne way and thereby hee hath given great offence to the Protestant Churches to charge them all of dissenting from the five Ministers awakening mens spirits into replyes when before they were drowsing with long expectation these two years of a publike determination and I wish this might have been the last Reply before all things were sweetly composed How ever this intends only to take off aspersions not to lay downe assertions We will but barely answer A. S. who hath so lasht the five Ministers with so much sharpnesse of spirit for telling the world how far off they are from Brownisme and Separation and how close they come to the more reformed Churches in Scotland and England Many very good men have wondred that the five Ministers closed so much yet A. S. is bitterly angry they close no more before the point be disputed O it was a fault of the Cynick Philosopher in his high shooes so to dance on the Platonick Philosophers Bed and Arras Coverlet with boasting that he danced on his brother Philosophers

from the Old or New Testament but he should have done more ingenuously to have added no nor yet any materiall or implicit patterne neither For if he hath any materiall patterne it is so purely materiall that it may contend with materia prima it selfe for the prize of Invisibilitie If he hath any implicit it is wrapt up under so many folds and pleights of obscurity that no seeing eye is able to pierce through to it But doe we not give sentence too soon It may be his pattern from the New Testament will carry it though that from the Old refus'd to meddle with it But where shall we seek this He tells us pag. 41. That we may see it in the History of the New Testament in the judgement given out at the Synod either truly or untruly so called of Hierusalem concerning the businesse of Antiochia What possibly we may see in length and time is not easie to determine for the present but I have both more hope and feare of seeing a thousand other things which yet I cannot certainly say that I shall see then I have of either ever to see Classicall proceedings demonstrated out of that passage of Scripture Nor doth A. S. so much as put forth his little finger towards such a Demonstration but contents himselfe for the present to threaten us with his own hope of seeing the busines clearly demonstrated to us by a better ●and ere long Clear demonstrations of any thing from the Scriptures shall be very welcome to us at any time but me thinks I see such insuperable difficulties in the way that I feare that Demonstration will never come out cleare Yet because I would help forward the clearnes of it what I can I shal make bold to propound unto him that either is or shall be the undertaker thereof a few particulars which I humbly conceive must be substantially prov'd to make the Demonstration clear at least to me and many others 1. It must be prov'd that the Apostles in that meeting at Jerusalem Acts 15.6 sate there onely in the capacitie of ordinary Elders or Presbyters and not as Apostles i. that they wav'd or silenc'd the spirit of infallibilitie which was given them and fell to worke with the weak and fallible spirits of other men which is as if a man should pull out his eyes to see with the holes 2. It must further be prov'd that this Councell at Ierusalem had their state and set times of meeting as weekly monthly yearly or the like and that they did not assemble occasionally onely For this is one of the high characters of Presbytery by A. S. his owne calculation pag. 39. 3. It must yet be prov'd that they had Authoritatem citationis an authoritative power to cite and call before them whom they pleased with in the pale of Apostolicall jurisdiction that is within the compasse of the whole world 4. It must also be made cleere that the Apostles and Elders that were members of this Synod were sent hereunto by those particular Churches over whom they had right to claime Jurisdiction or intended to include in their determinations 5. The Demonstration will never bee cleare till it be substantially prov'd that there was none authorized to sit in that Councell but onely Church-Officers and Ecclesiasticall men the contrary hereof seeming at least very apparent from ver 22. 23. 6. That likewise must not be left unprov'd that this Councell had power as well to make new Laws of indifferent things as to impose things necessary upon the Churches ver 28. 7. The Demonstrator to make his worke cleere and clever must prove that the Churches of Syria and Cilicia had their Commissioners or Delegates sitting authoritatively in this Synod because they are included in the Determination ver 23. 8. It must be prov'd likewise that Paul and Barnabas sate as Commissioners upon the same terms for the Church of Antioch in this Synod 9. It must be made to appeare either that this Synod or Councell would have proceeded as now they did whether they could have said It seemed good to the Holy Ghost and to us or no or that ordinary Synods or Assemblies may lawfully proceed as they did though they have no such assurance of a concurrence of the Holy Ghost with them as they had 10. And lastly Proofe must be made that those words in the close of the Epistle sent from this Councell to the respective Churches yee shall do well ver 29. are fulminative import some such threatning or intimation as this that if they did not submit some further course must be taken with them If all these particulars shall be substantially cleered and proved I shall freely acknowledge that there is a plausible patterne for A.S. his Government in the new Testament but Hic labor hoc opus est I shall not pre-judge any mans abilities but for the present I doe as much expect the fulfilling of that Poeticall Prophecie Vnda dabit flammas dabit ignis aquas as I doe ever to see that fifteenth of the Acts safely deliver'd of the man-child cal'd Presbyterie Therefore A. S. must pardon us if as yet wee be not able to see any patterne at all of his Government neither formall nor materiall neither explicit nor implicit either in the old or new Testament Well but yet the man hath one string to his bowe more though Grace wil not relieve him it may be nature will He hath as hee saith a patterne in the Law of Nature which will suffice They must I beleeve have verie good appetites to Presbyterie that will bee suffic'd with this pattern The Law of nature is a very vast volume and A. S. hath not quoted either page leaf or section of the book so that I know not whither to turne or where to look for his patterne But me thinks the man himselfe hath given ample testimonie to the Law of Nature that it is no ways guiltie of or accessarie to his Presbyterian Government For that which cannot be made out to the judgements and consciences of men without the helpe of such an host of scholastique intricate if not inexplicable distinctions as A. S. is fain to leavie and muster together p. 29. 30. 31. 32. c. before he can make either h●ad or foot of his businesse what other originall or descent soever it may claim I know not but questionlesse the Law of Nature will not owne The Law of nature saith with one of natures sons Odi difficiles nugas she meddles not with subtilties niceties or curiosities of distinctions A man that is unlearned and but of ordinarie capacitie that shall read the pages last quoted may very possibly take his odde and uncouth distinctions for names of unclean spirits and thinke that the man conjur's for his Government But will you please to heare the names of his beagles with which he follows his game and hunts classique Law out of those deep and dark caverns tullians of the earth where