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A68850 A mothers teares ouer hir seduced sonne: or A dissuasiue from idolatry penned in way of a dialogue, by occasion of a late letter from the sonne now at Doway, to his mother: which is also printed vvith the letter, and is fully set downe in the sonnes part, for the substance, though with some addition in forme.; Answere of a mother unto hir seduced sonnes letter. 1627 (1627) STC 24903.5; ESTC S114250 89,317 193

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whose office is to stand betweene the living and the dead Hee thou prayest unto is a Spirit thou must worship him in spirit and in truth Againe doth he put no confidence in the flesh What meanes then his knowing of Christ after the flesh his will worship all his carnall services Doth he renounce his owne righteousnes is it as filthy raggs What meanes then his meritts his satisfaction his worke of supererrogation Doth he forgetting those things which are behind reaching forth unto those things which are before presse toward the marke that he may apprehend that for which hee was apprehended of Christ Iesus What meaneth then his fancy of perfection in this life This man cannot frame to pronunce Christ aright yet scales are before his eyes let him looke to it It will prove as deadly as Sibboleth to the Ephramite then they tooke him slew him at the passage of Iordan Iud. 12. I haue beene long about this yet I know no parent will blame me The Mother hath beene looking into hir Childs Eye and she feares it will be lost now you know the Eye is to this little body as the Sunne to the great the light of the body is the eye if that be darke the body lives in a continued night then if there be any remedie the Mother bestirres hir selfe how much more then if the inward eye bee in danger for when that is darke how great is that darkenesse A man knowes not where hee shall fall O the Mother would fame have that cleare because the loue of an outward sense may be supplied by the strength of another but if the light within a man bee darknesse what can recompence that losse I cannot then leave my Childs eye thus the counsaile is behind so is the eye salue thou shalt find them both if of what hath beene said thou shalt make this use Trust not my sweete Child thine owne eye it will present unto thee shaddowes for substances that is one grosse mistake for what is the shaddow to the substance no more then is the Chaffe to the Wheate It will tell thee it sees clearly when it is not onely dim and darke but quite put out that is another and can there be a greater Goe then my deare Child in the sense of this thy blindnesse for thou art blind also there is no question of it to him that is the Light the effect of whose comming is that they which see not to wit in the conscience of their owne blindnesse might see and that they which see might be made blind Ioh. 9. Go I say unto him it is not my counsell onely and say Son of David have mercie upon me that I may receive my sight and bee instant with him give him no rest till he make darkenesse light before thee and crooked things straight Till he bid the Prisoners come forth and say to the blind receive sight Isai 42. 16. Then and not till then shall thine eyes bee cleared then and not till then shall thy tongue bee loosed then not till then shalt thou frame to pronounce Christ right SONNE God knowes before whome I am our day to giue an accompt of my duty towards you that there passeth not a day or night either when you and yours take your rest wherein there is not intercession made for you MOTHER And dost thou begge vs of the Lord my sweete child Now the Lord unfold thy vnderstanding he cure thy zeale he adde knowledge to it he can doe it But all this while thou hast not fulfilled my ioy I reioyced greatly that I found of my children walkeing in the truth as we haue receiued a commandement of the Father they are Iohns words to to the elect Lady v. 4. Heare what he w●●ts to Gaius I reioyced greatly when the brethren came and testified of the Trueth that is in thee even as thou walkest in the Trueth I haue no greater ioy then to heare that my children walke in the truth Beloued thou doest faithfully whatsoever thou doest to the brethren to strangers I restraine this now to the matter in hand prayer though whatsoever a man doth that he doth it faithfully Crownes the worker the worke thou doest pray for thy Mother and her children doe it faithfully my deare child Faithfully in respect of those things that must be requested Faithfully in respect of that heart by which this Sacrifice must be presented Faithfully in respect of him to whom only it must bee directed Psal 65. 2. Faithfully in respect of that mediation through whom only it must bee accepted So pray on and begge vs of the Lord. Behold he prayeth Acts 9. 11 It is the spirits testimony of Paul after hee had left Gamaliels feete and his owne righteousnes and had attained to the knowledge of Christ and to the power of his Resurrection then behold he prayeth it yeldes a notable consideration no question Saul had prayed long and often while he satt at Gamaliels feete yet as if his prayers then had ben rather an houling then praying the spirit giues this testimony of him after the light had shined unto him behold he prayeth then and not till then Pray thus and pray on so begging vs of the Lord. I should haue no greater Ioy then to heare that my child walks in truth Beloved child thou doest faithfully whatsoever thou doest to thy Mother and her children Oh what joy were here doe this and thou fulfillest my joy and thy owne for else thy labour of loue will be lost thy watching lost thy prayers lost thy selfe lost all lost looke to thy selfe then it is Iohns caveat that thou loose not the things that thou hast wrought but that thou receiuest a full reward In the meane time the Mother will pray for the child too that his loue may abound yet more and more how In knowledge and in all iudgement Philip. 1. 9. then shall we loue both in the flesh in the Lord Phil. 16. SONNE What more to doe in this my state I know not when my Mother is misled from the way of truth without knowledge and I must obey her but in the Lord in this thing then I must be excused and she must be plainely told that it stands not with the duty of a sonne to yeeld the least to so uniust demaunds of a Mother yet that she may know how duetifull a Sonne shee hath and how couragious for the witnessing of that which hee professeth were it with his owne blood Oh! that the commands were of the same nature with hers in the Maccabees who did incourage her children to suffer euen to the death surely I should be as ready to obey as shee to command but alas my Mothers commaunds are unreasonable nay unnaturall tending to the forsaking my Religion Gods Church his trueth himselfe MOTHER And is it so my Son an unreasonable request indeed and unnaturall O but hearken my Child and if it bee so let thine owne Mother bee hated O
in the day of the Lords visitation he will visite our sins upon vs let Baal plead for Baall and wickednesse proceed from awicked man let him defend it it will find him out at length and in due time the foote shall slide And it shall be bitternesse in the end that the Priests whether yours or ours haue made the Sacrifice to bee abhorred and for the professors too that they have caused the name of the Lord to be blasphemed and his holy wayes to be spoken against nay I tell thee some of these ministers and professors too that have thus profaned the covenant and dishonoured that holy thing they have taken upon them are made contemptible and base before all the people Oh that they were wise then would they understand they would consider their latter end Now againe to the● my Child it is no matter how my wordes come forth for their method so none be lost thy Mother hath no Art And first for thy better information concerning our doctrine Yet as an introduction thereunto because there is no end of writing heare thy Mothers doctrine first Call it Salamons summes Feare God keepe his Commandements And consider this with it that these are Evangelicall precepts which are not dead like those of the law but lively in operation Take this also with it which thou findest in many places The Lord gives his Spirit to them that obey him and his secret is with them that feare him Thus much to prepare thy care it is the Lord that must circumcise it that must bor● it The doctrine followes Love God with thy whole heart and thy neighbour as thy selfe there is the Law and the Prophetts and in that the Churches doctrine and thy lesson Thou wilt say with the young-man All this I doe performe Therefore thy Mother conceaves the lesse hope I would rather thou could'st have confe'st thy selfe an unprofitable servant that so thou mightst have beene capable of that which followes for thou hast but halfe yet Christ came into the world to saue sinners There is the Gospell And if in thy owne apprehension thou art one yea the chiefe of sinners there is the comfort only there Thus thou hast the summe of the Law and the Gospell take it together in Paules words 1. Tim. 4. 6. 2 3 4 5. It teacheth the wholesome words even the words of our Lord Iesus Christ the doctrine which is according to godlinesse and if any man teach otherwise he is proud knowing nothing from such with draw thy selfe 1. Tim 6. so much for the generall Now more particularly thou shalt see how this doctrine ariseth out of the Scriptures the ground of it as the sap soaketh out of the tree and thence spreadeth it selfe into severall branches then unites it selfe upon it's disciple man to whom it is more particularly made knowne by the inward worke of Gods spirit The Doctrine is holy according to the Scriptures avowing them to be a most perfect rule neither crooked any way nor short in any thing requisite which must bee received for the testimonie of God because wee must set to our seale that he is true and not for the testimonie of the Church which were to set to our seale that men were true Thence concluding that there is one God one Christ one Faith one Church one Baptisme That this one God is to bee worshipped purely as a spirit in spirit and in truth according to the three substances soberly and wisely according to all his Attributes piously religiously That Christ is to be rested upon wholly by a precious faith whereof God is the Author God is the Finisher for it pleades not the power of mans free-will in spirituall things against the free grace of God who will bee admired in all that believe not immediately when he giues the meanes but upon the conscionable use of the word and Sacraments according to the patterne and primitiue Institution set apart for that end and sanctified thereunto by which faith euery soule gets vnion with and interest in Iesus and hereby is only perfectly iustified both in respect of degrees parts and sanctified also in respect of parts and all this not by perfection of the instrument Faith that is a creature but of the obiect it apprehendeth Christ and so may with a true though palsy hand receiue and keepe both Christ and his benefits which doth evidence to the soule now not walking by sight that he hath vnion with the vine and Communion with the branches having now the Baptisme of the Holy Ghost even cleane waters poured upon him whereof the outward element was more then a bare signe And now being thus washed thus purged he cannot be unprofitable but beareth much fruite to the glory and praise of him who hath called him out of darkenesse into his marvelous light and this fruite comming from a lively root is lively also evedencing outwardly what the Spirit hath sealed inwardly So putting to silence the mouthes of wicked men and his owne mouth too from glorying in any thing but in him that raised the dead who prevented him with grace and followes him with grace thereby giving him assurance that he will perfect what i● begunne to him therefore is ascribed the glory whose power was and i● so gratiously manifested in weakenes Hence ariseth a Ioy inexpr●●sible yet till this warfare be accomplished many waies and divers times interrupted never quite lost in the ground of it be walkes by faith but the fulnes is reserved in the heavens which the Lord the righteous Iudge shall give him for the praise of the glory of his grace according to the dispensation of his will purposed before all time sealed unto him i● time and shall bee perpetuated ●●to all eternity This is a light Child though darknes apprehend it not this is a good seed whereof i● given thee but a little handfull though tares be sowen with it This is a Treasure what vessell is fit for it yet it is but in an earthen one that the glory may be of God SONNE What should you be medling with the Scriptures and the Churches doctrine rather according to sobrietie walke in un Implicit Faith resigning your selfe to the holy Church and the holy Church to his Holinesse I pray you what say you for your practise your capacitie may master that MOTHER Take heed the tongue is an unruly member Search the Scriptures it an indefinite iniunction Timothie knew them of a Child and by them was made wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Iesus 2. Tim. 3. 15. the neglect of them is the ground of error yee erre because ye know not the Scriptures It is our happines that wee have them our sure instruction that wee read them our condemnation if wee seeke for truth from any els though he who is translated into an Angell of light nay though an Angell from heaven should bring it Wee looke unto the Scripture to seeke counsell from them as
cruelty I think The Children of the Church have answered this Argument with teares prayers martyrdome there is patience I thinke I have two paths to track they lie neare together the one i● dyed with blood the other be dewed with teares both lead us through the streets before Israell and before the Sunne and meet at the stake there is cruelty there is patience We track the holy Mother first we can not misse her which way soever shee goes hir footstepps drop blood Looke upon that little booke of Martyr● Heb. 11. What bloody footsteps are there But that you will say was shed by Ethnick Rome It s true But Christian Rome hath justified hir sister For aske the later times they shall teach thee that Christian Rome hath risen up a cruell generation in hir sisters stead so filling up that measure of blood which must be visited upon hir Aske I say and they will tell thee not only what Christian Rome hath done in the Citty of Orange or of that in Roane or that in Deipe but they will tell thee of that horrible massacre in Paris where this mothers instruments went forth like a destroying Angell and within the space of three dayes or little more cruelly murthered above ten thousand and all this after a marriage feast Act. et Mon. 1948. Could here be truth could this be a true Mother A Divell she was for like a beare robbed of hir whelpes she went about seeking whom she might destroy I assure thee she hath killed the Mother upon the Child witne● that lamentable Tragedy acted in Garnsey where the infant bursting from the Mothers wombe in the midst of the flame and taken from hir was by instruments sacrificed againe to the flame there to receive its baptisme Acts. Mon. 1764. Cursed be their wrath for it was fierce and their rage for it was cruell into their secret let not my Sonnes soule come nor let thy glory be ioyned with their assemblies for in their wrath they have slaine millions and the instruments of death were in their habitations Wilt thou looke nearer into thine owne Country then see our Marian dayes I know my Childs eyes will stand with teares what prisons empty what racking what tearing what whipping what scourging what burning whar bone fires were made of the bones of the Saints Was this a Mother Certainly that very sword which did not divide the Mother from the Child was a sure meanes to divide the Mother from the Harlot You have heard them pleading in that text let us heare them pleading againe Nor will we put downe the●● names their words shall difference them to the meanest capacity for this name Mother is the sweetest name under the Sunne and as she is such are hir words Oh let the Child live he is stubborne he vvill not worship that which Longs wife hath made and the holy Priest hath consecrated he calls it Bread because it appeares so to the eye not considering how miraculously God can worke nor will hee bend unto that the workman hath made as a devout representation he calls that no better then a block but he shall to the block forit I will bow him or breake him A hard Argument yet let the Child live For he can take God to record upon his soule that he doth not this in a stubbornesse but for pure conscience sake he doth acknowledge an unlimited power in God and it is his crutch his pillar to hold him up when the nations take counsell against the Lord and his annointed ones he knowes God can turne bread into flesh he doth it daily and the commonnesse abates the sense of that power But now in that his eye and tast tells him the Accidents remaine he eates it as true bread with the teeth of his body and yet cheweth the living Bread Christ and his benefitts with the faith of his heart and so doth truly eat the flesh drinke the blood of the sonne of man and yet as benefitts a sacrament spiritually my words saith Christ are spirit and trath Hee doth in that ordinance truly enjoy his welbeloved his welbeloved looking upon him and he upon his welbeloved and yet as through a Lattice And for that representation he knows it is inferiour to the workman he must worship the Lord his God and him only He is a stubborne Child It is not proved but grant he be If that be all yet doe not blow his body up into the ayre he cannot mend in the passage Doe not turne his body into a coal he cannot mend then When once the breath is out all passages are stopt there is no comming in there is no going forth Now speak unto him he can heare you now give him his booke he can read it evidence his stubbornesse to him from a true and infallible testimony which cannot erre Looke to your witnesses when they passe upon life and death for when you haue kindled the flame about his eares you haue defaced that sacred Image stampt upon him which made him little inferiour to the Angels Consider of it a heathen could say demorte hominis nulla est cunctatio longa ye cannot consider too much nor can ye consult too long when in giving up your sentence ye giue away a mans life too You haue heard the pleading and for ought was proved against the child he might have lived to this day but there was an Argument produced from the Stake which he could not answer but by suffering So blood was spilt by whose Law for they said we haue a Law the holy mothers A holy Harlot curssed be her rage for it was feirce like the rage of him who cast the man into the fire into the water we know who it was or like that possessed man who was so feirce that none might passe that way Come a little nearer child yet perhaps thou thou maist discerne thy owne preservation though then in thy cradle hast thou not heard of our fift of November I know thou hast I must now take a little leaue I assure thee I thought that after that very day the name of a Papist would presently haue rotted and that the stinke and stentch of it would have gone over all the earth and surely it did and doth so and it is unsavory in the nostrils of the very heathen and would be so unto all but that these Iaels Tents afford so much sweet milke where with to bring the heart a sleepe in securitie But my child thou doest remember this day doest thou not thou doest why then thou standest amazed at the beastly crueltie of the mother and of her children and at the exceeding loue and super-aboundant mercy words are too scantie at the admirable kindnes of our God Tell me for thou shalt be iudge was not our Land at that time compacted as into a compendious body which was to sit in Parliament as the representation of the whole Land and now had it but one neck had not the whore
done Why he was no more able to hurt then a dead dog could bite and therefore art thou O Lord my King and thou also Abner alive at this time and your eyes may behold both the speare and pott that was so nigh thy Masters Pillovv and my Master Saul may heare too and now I hope both my Lord and Abner from this very day will be able to discerne truth and innocency from wickednesse which ever proceedeth from the wicked man and be able to point at it too with the finger saying there it is behold Child Saul doth it he knowes the voice of David and it melts him into teares and see what he saith thou art more righteous then I thou hast rewarded me good when I rewarded thee evill and now my Child rhou hast seene truths guize and hir childrens carriage how meeke how harmlesse Thou maist likewise discerne the Beasts mark and from whence wickednesse doth proceed I know no motive in the world except the secret working of Gods Spirit more prevalent to cause thee to come away unlesse thou hast not a Sauls discerning But because I know thou art blind folded and hast no light but what comes in by chaunes and crevises I will contract what hath been sayd concerning these two Mothers into an Embleme one or two which thou maist perceiue by the least glimmering Then I will turne thee to two places of Scriptures from which thou shalt make thine owne collection The first Emblem shall bee of the holy Mother and a Mother shall be it An Hecuba in travell with a fire brand and forth it comes rushing into the Bush of the Church Or a Iezabell plotting the death of poore Naboth because he will not part with the Vinyard the inheritance of his Fathers She must not keep it for all her painting downe she must be cast like a milstone The Doggs did eate the flesh of Iezabel Take the Embleme of hir eldest sonnes and sonnes shall be it Samsons three hundred foxes running about the field with firebrands at their tailes see what hurt they doe the shock● are burnt Or for variety sake look upon the Gadarens heard of swine but not running into the lake though an evill spirit be in them The day of recompence for Sions controversie is not yet yet the enemy is not brought to the valley of Iehosophat to bee iudged there we must looke on them running into the vineyard that must be more w●st we leave them rooting there But here is the cōfort Is it wast is Sharon a wildernes now I will up saith the Lord I will give to Israel the opening of the month in the midst of them and they shall know that I am the Lord. Ezech. 29. 21. Take the Embleme of she true Mother and that is made to our hands you heard hir begging of the Childs life Take the Embleme of hir Children David cursed and pelted at by Shimes and praying the while Steven stoning and even then saying Lord lay not this ot their charge We have done with the Emblemes wee turne to the Scriptures the first is 1 Kings 19. 11. There came a great strong wind but the Lord was not in the wind nor in the earth-quake nor in the fire There came a still and soft voice there the Lord was Make thy collection now here are two both would be Mothers both would speake in the evidence of the same spirits which of these comes like a wind renting as it goes like an earth-quake opening graves as it goes like a fire scorching as it goes or in a still and soft voice instructing perswading blessing praying as it goes with whom the soft voice is there the Lord is Answer this unto him who understands thy thoughts long before I have done with that Scripture we find the other 2 Sam. 7. compared with 1 Chron. 22. 8. where is something will hold us from our purpose a little for the Readers sake We find David sitting in his house and in peace yet not confined to his owne particular interest and looking no further one eye is on his house the other on the Arke and he sees no correspondency And yet he that hath Davids observation may observe a greater disproportion betwixt his conveniences the Arks now then was betwixt Davids and the Arkes then he sitts in his house of hewed stone he heares no complaining in the streetes Gods footstepps drop fatnesse towards him there are his conveniences What are the Arkes The enemy hath raised a mighty storme and the Arke hath scarce curtaines to keep it off I know well on the glory there i● a defence but I speak of that covering the outward eye may discerne Certainly if the consideration of David be this mans precept the practise of David will be his patterne whose mind was presently on worke how he might build an house for the Arke too Yet Nathan must stay his hand that must not be put to the worke We came purposely hither to enquire the reason of that but I desire the Reader would marke one thing by the way Though it were taken out of the power of Davids hand to build an house for the Arke yet the Lord tells him thou didst well in that it was in thy heart 2 Chro. 6. 8. A mans hand may be kept from the Arke every one cannot visibly worke the securitie of it nor bring it within Cedars Nay though the Arke shake every hand is not worthy to hold it up A man must looke to his warrant specially when he goes about the busines of the Arke But marke this they shall prosper that loue thee We wish you prosperitie in the name of the Lord O it is a gratious thing even when the hand can doe nothing But M●roz with the inhabitants were curs● bitterly Iudg 5. 23. And the men of S●c●oth were taught that i● the word by briers and th●r●●● Iudg. 8. 16. That was a sore teaching but who can help it They that will not be taught by instruction must be taught by paine 2. Esd 9. 12. It is Apocryph● thou maist keep it in thy Bible when it ●out of thy Creed and let it teach thee when thou look'st upon thy house of Ceder I meane thy many many conveniences many positrue many privatiue to haue the Arke in thy heart for this is to remember the Chare●● of Israel and the horse men thereof that is the Church The glory of Israel that is the Gospell The Paules in prison and she Iaseps in affliction for this glorie for thy sake are we killed all the day long now what thou doest for these or any of these they ●●e so like thou canst not distinguish them thou doest it to Christ and thou shewest mercy to thy owe soule For these will pray that thy mercy may be returned to thee thine in the tempestivitie of time The Lord ●●ew mercy to Onesiphorus in that day Nor is that all the Lord shew mercy to the whole house of Onesiphorus Now to
waite with long patience till a good Ahimaaz bring him newes for then it is certaine and if hee bee long and the soule weary yet teturne not answere to thy selfe The Iewes did fo and thereby were they more grossely deceaued then was the poore foole or Lady mother both which will appeare in their Question and in Christs Answere to the same Are we blind also As if they had said wee are not Because yee say wee see yee will answere your selves therefore your sinne remaineth Take it thus A right and true convincement and acknowledgment of the Spirit of blindnesse which was over their eyes of that vaile that was over their hearts had beene a direct and ready way to have had the one cured and the other drawne away but that false conceit of seeing tooke away all possibility of curing That fancie of health and soundnesse hindered all the benefitts that might have beene taken from the great Phisitian Obserue it good child and take this with it Saule was taught according to the perfect manner of the Law of the Fathers and therein unblamable zealous towards God as we hope yee are all this day Act. 22. Yet al this while he had Scales before his eyes and that it might appeare he was all the former time blind he received his sight after Now read what the seeing man saith Philip. the 3. throughout the chapter and if thou canst eate it It will be like the hony which Ionathan ● Sam. 14. 17. tasted on the end of his rod thine eyes will bee inlightned with it but then marke this by the way thou must be as faint as Ionathan was for he that is full dispiseth the hony combe Eate it then if thou canst Certainely that Chapter thou now readest is the very language of Canaan It doth and ever shall as plainely difference the seeing Paules now from darke Saules once as the pronouncing of Sibboleth did the Ephramite from the Giliadite say now Shiboboleth and the Ephramite sayd Sibboleth Iudg. ●2 6. he could not frame to pronounce it right The resemblance lyeth thus This man is now a seeing Paul and he would over that great gulfe which is betweene God and man bid him pronounce Christ then he can frame to pronounce it right Christ sincere Christ perfect Christ entyre Christ without adding to him Christ without detracting from him Christ the Sonne of the living God only Christ he accompts of Christ now the cheifest of ten thowsand He hath none in heauen but Him none upon earth hee desires besides him Psal 73. 25. All things in comparison are but as dung O the excellencie of Christ Iesus his Lord O the power of his Resurrection that onely that He hath suffered the losse of all for that He puts no confidence in the flesh he knowes not Christ that way the flesh quickneth not his confidence is in Him who rayseth the dead His owne righteousnes is a menstrous cloth oh he would not be foūd in that but in that righteousnes which is of God by faith He hath not as yet attained to a fulnesse but forgetting those things which are behind reaching forth unto those things which are before he presseth towards the marke for the price of the high calling of God in Christ Iesus this is the seeing Paul indeed he will over Here is another man and over he would go too for it is for his life But is he not a Saul nay his scales are gone he saith he sees well He must be put to his booke now this Scripture must try him whether hee can Pronounce Christ Christ intire Christ perfect see hee cannot frame to pronounce it right Save me Savouresse Redeeme me Redeemeresse it is well hee saith it in a barbarous language for so is Latine and Greeke yea the Holy tongue too unto me and thee if we understand it not I say it is well he saith it in the Latine for it sounds ill in English Save mee Savouresse this is not to pronounce Christ sure Why the womans primative fruit for their godly valour is called a man Child Reu. 12. 6. And can it be that he should expect any helpe of salvation from a She the weaker Sex if the saved be a man Child the Saving is more then a man he and he onely who is the Lion of the Tribe of Iudah Heare further what he saith to the Saints for in his humblenesse of mind he will not presume to go to Christ immediately ō that were a bold thing before hee hath obtained of the Mother to command the Sonne and some Saints to helpe too and yet I never knew a man speed better then when he preferred his petition himselfe but he knowes a more mannerly way Intercede for mee thou He Saint Promote my cause thou Shee Saint this is not a man Child sure hee doth not pronounce Christ right for he detracts from him by adding to him Againe doth this man esteeme all things as dung Adde to what hath beene said his caruing his dumbe Image would he put so much cost upon dung Why he hath not onely the persons of men in admiration because of their gold Rings and goodly apparrell but very stockes and blockes when he hath respect to the stocke that hath some cost upon it and saith stand thou here for a devout memorie and representation of the Church Triumphant and saith to his fellow block because poore like it selfe lie thou here for my footstoole Iudge now in your selfe is hee not partiall I cannot conceive how a Papist can be actually a member of the true Church which hath the Moone under hir feete I doe not nor dare I state the question but if he be he hath committed a solecisme in nature for he hath put an Image above the Moone I am sure it is above his feete and that is the very way to put it above the Sunne too Ah foolish man Thou art going to offer up the Calves of thy lipps to him who measureth the heavens with a Spanne and holdeth the winds in his fist before whom the nations are but as a drop of a Bucket Isa 40. To what wilt thou resemble him now there is nothing can stand betwixt the living and the dead but he that can stay the wrath that is gone forth And how canst thou resemble him he is an Emanuell God with man those two natures are inseperable God hath joyned them together accursed is that man that doth seperate them His worke is an abomination his Idoll a lye It were a grosse superstition to fixe thy outward eye upon any thing in the time of this thy service yet it is more tolerable to set before thee a flower that 's Gods Workmanship the Image is mans more tolerable to looke upon the Sunne the Moone the Starres they are the workes of Gods fingers the Image is the worke of a despicable man Away with the Image then it is nothing it is an abomination it is dung and fixe thine eyes upon him