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A95098 A true narrative of the examination, tryall, and sufferings of James Nayler in the cities of London and Westminster, and his deportment under them. With the copies of sundry petitions and other papers, delivered by severall persons to the Lord Protector, the Parliament, and many particular Members thereof, in his behalf. With divers remarkable passages (relating thereto) before his journey to Bristol, whither he is now gone towards the filling up the measure of his sufferings. Naylor, James, 1617?-1660. 1657 (1657) Wing T2789; Thomason E899_6; ESTC R204821 56,615 71

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believe there was a Jesus Christ To which he answered He did believe there was for he had tasted of him and that Jesus had taken up his dwelling in his heart and spirit and for the Testimony of him he now suffered One of them replyed But I believe in a Jesus that never was in any mans heart To which he answered He knew no such Christ for the Christ he witnessed fills Heaven and Earth and dwells in the Hearts of Believers Again they demanded of him why he suffered those Women c. to worship and adore him To which he replyed Bowing to the Creature I deny But if they behold the power of Christ wherever it is and bow to it he had nothing by which he might resist that or gainsay it And withall said to the Ministers Have you thus long professed the Scriptures and do you now stumble at what they hold forth Whereupon they desired one instance of Scripture wherein such a practice was held forth To which he answered What think you of the Shunamite in falling down at the feet of Elisha and bowing before him Whether was the Prophet guilty of Blasphemy in not reproving her when shee did so 2 King 4. 27 37. as also divers others in Scripture spoken of Upon which they pawsing for a while answered That was but a civill act or acknowledgment So said he might you interpret theirs also if your eye were not evill seeing the outward action is one and the same But after a while he seeing them not contented with plain answers but seeking to wrest words out of him to their own purpose in meeknesse uttered these words How soon have you forgot the work of the Bishops who are now found in the same seeking to ensnare the innocent Whereupon they rose up and with bitterness of spirit burnt all that they had before written And so left him with some bemoaning expressions rather discovering a prejudiced spirit then real affection to the good of his soul So when they were departing he desired of them as he had also done before that the Parliament would send him such Questions in writing as they desired satisfaction in and give him leave to return his Answers in writing also These as near as I can remember he told me with some other passages which I do not well remember And hoping the whole passages of that meeting will be publisht by the parties themselves upon consideration of what is before mentioned I humbly premise these Queries following touching the Case of the said Naylor 1. Whether rationally those men in that their proceeding can be adjudged lovers of his Soul or that act tending to the good thereof or not rather wholly prejudiced and intending to say snares before him 2. Whether any Nation afford the like President that four or five persons a mans enemies should be his examiners and solely impower'd to report his Case to his Judges not admitting any to be present but themselves as indifferent witnesses betwixt them If four or five of those Silver-smiths that made shrines for Diana whose gain Pauls doctrine destroyed If they had been sent to Paul to examine him and report his Case to his Judges how unequal a thing would this be accounted 3. Whether the verbal report of those persons or if written it being done after they departed from him ought to be received or credited as a true testimony when they have burnt their Examinations his Answers written while they were together● not admitting them to be seen as they were first signed 4. Whether it were not a very reasonable desire of James Naylor's as the case ●ood that Questions might be sent him in writing from the Parliament and he might have liberty to return his Answers in writing for the avoiding of misinterpretation of his adversaries FINIS
practice be made manifest again in the world and the same evening one Alice Brock felton her knees before the said Nayler and Nayler put his hands upon her head and said Stand fast c. Thomas Cole informeth That the 25 of October Martha Simmons and Hanna Stranger being called out of Naylers room into their own lodging they one after another kneeled before Nayler and laid their heads on his knees and he laid his hands on their heads making a groaning noyse within himself and before they rose from their knees he b Laying on of hands was owned before the house but crossing of hands is denied crossed his hands over their heads And Hanna Stranger at her examination before the Committee confessed That she kneeled at James Naylers feet and kissed them and others being demanded concerning these actions would give no answer And James Nayler being examined whether any kneeled and kissed his feet answered that there might be such things though he did not mind it being things that he did not glory in * Mark As for his doing of miracles particularly Dorcas Erbery saith that she was dead c Is it blasphemy to raise from the dead in Exeter Goal two days and that Nayler laid his hands upon her and raised her which she affirmed in her examination at Bristol and did not deny when examined as to this by the Committee To which Naylor being examined whether Dorcas Erbury was dead in Exon Goal as in her examination answered If you speak of such a death as you may understand she was dead Being further asked how she was dead in his understanding answered I shall say little of my self in that thing And being further asked whether he raised her from the dead answered I can do nothing of my self Being asked whether any other did raise her by his hands and if he laid his hands upon her answered There is a power in me from above And being demanded whether he had such a power as to raise from the dead answered I have said before I cannot bear witness of my self in the thing And being asked who bore witness of him answered The Scriptures a If the Scriptures or any just Law of this Nation had been harkned to the Innocent would not thus have suffered cruel torments do bear witness to the power which is in me which is everlasting And being demanded whether he raised from the dead by vertue of that power answered I can do nothing but what the power doth in me and it is the same power whereof you reade in the Scriptures b Mark and take notice of this that hath raised the dead according to the measure of the power manifest And being asked whether that power were manifest in such a manner in him as to raise Dorcas Erbery from the dead answered I have said I shall not satisfie in words concerning the thing further than onely this That you may clearly understand that wherein Dorcas Erbery or any else do attribute unto me as to a Creature that hath beginning and ending that I utterly deny a Mark what blasphemy are in these words but that that any see of God in me by the same spirit that revealed any thing to them that I do not deny This may serve at one word for there cannot be a more abominable thing than to take from the Creator and give to the Creature b Mark again the same power which did raise from the dead which you reade in the Scripture the same Christ a Take notice he speaks not of another Christ but the some that was yesterday Heb. 13. 8. the same anointing according to the measure of him is manifest in me and not another And being asked if any prayed to Christian him whether he did dis-own it answered As a Creature I do disown it c Take notice These things d What matter of fact is in these things that is in the least evil or what the Scriptures do not own and divers others we have reported as part of the matter of fact Second Article That the said James Nayler assumed a How assumed because others write and spoke ● what the Lord commanded them the name and the incommunicable attributes and titles of our blessed Saviour as first The fairest of ten thousand As for this the evidence was in a Letter of Hanna Stranger found about him at Bristoll the giving him the title of the fairest of ten thousand which upon her examination at Bristoll and before the Committee she confessed she wrote to him in her Letter And James Naylor being asked by the Committee whether any such title as the fairest of ten thousand had been given to him in any Writing or Letter he answered To what they did in the Letter if they gave it to me as to the visible then I do deny it b Mark what is confessed and what denied and let the wise judge if the Scriptures speak not the same things 12 Cor. 4. 7. 10. and 2 Cor. 6 18. and 13. chap. and 15. 1 Cor. 6. 19. and ought not Christ to speak or be worshipped in his Temple but if they speak it to that begotten of the Father in me then I dare not deny it And being willed to repeat that answer again he said If they speak it as to the visible as to that which is earthly then I deny c Mark his yea is amen any such thing belonging to me in that sense but if they speak it to that which the Father hath begotten in me then I dare nor deny it because that as he said is beautifull * Where the most of that beauty is revealed by God amongst ten thousand there is the fairest of ten thousand This was his testimony before the House wherever it is begotten And in his second examination before the Committee his answer was to the same effect d So he changeth not Resolution of the Committee Vpon this evidence the Committee were of opinion that James Naylor a You should not spend your opinion of things you know not for he denies that James Naylor which is the visible to take these things upon him had assumed the title of The fairest of ten thousand 2. The only begotten Son of God And for that the evidence was that Hanna Stranger in the said Letter gave him that title And being demanded whether he did assume that title answered in these words That there are many sons b Mark this also you that are of an understanding heart besides yet the son of God I must witness and dare not deny c Was not this a direct answer and sufficient to all them that desired to hear the truth the son of God I am and dare not deny And being often pressed to give a direct answer whether he were the onely begotten d He that is a son o God is he not the onely begotten of God Doth any help God to beget
Israel The evidence of this was in the same letter of Jane Woodcocks we find it given to him and in his examination at Bristoll whether that title was given to him he would make no answer And being examined by the Committee whether he assumed to be sent to judge and try the cause of Israel answered in these words the Judge of Israel is but one and that Judge I witnesse in me which is the Christ a Mark his answers all along and see what blasphemy you find And further answered if thou speak of him whom the Father hath sent into the World and begotten in me the holy Ghost the Spirit of the Father and the Son in me which is in me it thou speak of it this I own And being asked in what respect he was sent he answered no otherwise but as God manife s t in the flesh though not as mortall And being asked by whom he was sent to trie the cause of Israel answered by him who hath made all creatures and hath sent his Spirit into me his Son into me to try the cause though he said he was no Judge in carnall matters And being asked whether he were more sent to judge and trye the cause of Israel than another answered in these words as to my saying I am sent mind that no otherwise then as the Father and the Son is in me and to that I say further that no other man is sent in that sence but he that knoweth the indwelling of that God and according to the measure of his knowledge of the living God so far is Judgement b Let his answers be w●yed in the right Ballance Job 31. 6. and those that dwell in love will see no 〈…〉 llin them committed to him and no further And being urged to answer whether any other had the same measure of Judgement to judge the cause of Israel as he had he answered that he ●●d●ot at present any thing given him of his Father to answer unto that Resolution of the Committee Resolution of the Committee That James Naylor a Learn to speak truth hath assumed to be sent to judge and trye the Cause of Israel Iesus And for this the evidence was Iohn Stranger in a postscript in his wifes letter directed to and found upon Iames Naylor used these words thy name is no more to be called Iames but Iesus which postscript being shewed to Stranger by the Committee he owned it written by him and being asked wherefore he called him Jesus answered in these words I was moved b Be not offended at the movings of the Lord lest he break you in pieces Read Mat. 21. 44. of the Lord and afterwards by the Spirit of the Lord and being asked whether by Jesus he meant the Saviour of the World he would give no answer And Martha Symmons in her examination at Bristoll saith that she hath heard some call him Jesus which examina●ion being read unto her she denied not that though she denied another part of that examination And James Naylor being examinated whether any person had called him by the name of Jesus answered in these words as I am visible c Take notice of this here before you I believe they have not but that the name of the Lord is in me that I dare not deny and further said that they have given that name to him who is the Jesus d Read and understand 2. Cor. 13. 5. But if they have given it to any other then to the Son of God that is in me I do deny what they have spoken d Mark And being asked whether he denyed that they gave him the name of Jesus answered as I am a creature e Mark again where is the blasphemy I believe they did not afterwards confessed that the name of Jesus was given him in a letter if he had understood it of any other than the Iesus he should have denied it being demanded whether they gave the name of Jesus to him he answered in these words no otherwise than as to the Son of God a Take notice of this also being demanded whether any had given him the name of Jesus answered not as to the visible and being demanded to what then they gave the name of Jesus answered in these words I understand they gave that name to the Jesus to the Christ b Let those that know what Christ Jesus is judge if this be blaspemy and let the Scriptures bear witness Read Col. 1. 27. 2. Cor. 13. 5. that is in me Vpon his second examination being asked whether he owned the name of Jesus and if that title belonged to him as to Christ within him he answered that name was never published to be called by me neither do I call my self c Mark again by that name but what my Father hath published is another thing Resolution of the Committee Vpon this evidence the Committee were of opinion that James Naylor assumed the name of Jesus * What ground is there for such an opinion seeing they often Feard him deny it as to self He in whom the hope of Israel standeth And for this the evidence was in the letter of Martha Symmons found upon James Naylor were these words thou well beloved Lamb of God in whom the hope of Israel stands And James Naylor in his examination at Bristoll being asked whether he were the Lamb of God in whom the hope of Israel stands answered that if I were not his Lamb I should not be so sought to be devoured d Is it a true saying and that the hope of Israel stands in the Righteousnesse of the Father in whomsoever it is and being asked whether Israels hope were in any measure in him be answered yea which examination of his at Bristoll being read to him by the Committee he denyed not this part of it and being examinated by the Committee whether their hope of Israel did stand in him answered in these words it stands only in Christ Jesus a Take notice he cannot deny Christ Jesus but himself doth he deny and as Christ Jesus is known in me and being asked again whether he were in whom the hope of Israel stands answered in these words no way but as Christ is in me b Mark and being then asked whether as Christ is in you so are you he in whom the hope of Israel stands answered nay doe not adde to my words I speak as plain as I can that all the glory may be given to God * Take notice of this mans blasphemy who would have all the glory given to God and what is there proved that he hath taken to himself and none to the creature that the whole glory may be given to my Father And none to me as you look upon me as a creature and the next question was whether as Christ is in you are you he in whom the hope of Israel stands to which he answered Christ
in me the hope of glory c Search the Scripture Col. 1. 27. and being examined what hopes Israel had in him beyond any other person answered none can know but they that are of Israel d Let him that reads understand but he that will be ignorant may be ignorant still they can give an account of their hopes Israel must give an account of their hopes themselves Resolution of the Committee That James Naylor assumed e Why because he saith the hope of Israel stands only in Christ Jesus to beseem whom the hope of Israel stands The Committee being desirous to informe themselves how far the said Naylor was consenting unto that worship and those titles before given unto him besides tho former evidence they did find in his examination at Bristoll where being asked why he came into the City in so unusuall a manner as the woman leading his horse and singing before him he answered that he might not refuse any thing that 's moved f Is this blasphemy for to own the movings of the Lord and who made you Judges in this matter of the Lord which being read unto him at the Committee he denied not and for the better clearing of this the Committee examined Hanna Stranger whether Naylor reproved her for casting her garments before him or for kneeling or kissing his feet from whom they could get no other answer then this she would not accuse or justify any The Committee did also find in their examination of Naylor being asked by them whether he reproved the women for spreading their garments and singing before him ansvvered in these vvords nay only I said unto them take heed that they did nothing but vvhat they vvere really moved of the Lord. * Is not this good counsell where appears that which proves blasphemy And being also examined by the Committee vvhether he reproved those that gave him the title before mentioned ansvvered that he had not at all spoken unto them concerning that thing only the letters he had vvherein the titles vvere given and did not think at all that any should have seen a So he intended not the publishing of those titles as one assuming glory to himself them because he knevv there vvas things in them that many could not bear but now he saw his Father purposed they should not be hid Naylor at his second examination before the Committee being demanded whether he had reproved the persons that gave him those titles and attributes he would not say he had reproved them being demanded whether he owned them or disclaimed them answered in these words if they had it from the Lord what am I that I should judge it b Is not this rightly spoken Read Rom. 14. 4. 10. and being pressed again with the same question answered thus if the Father move them by his Spirit to give them to Christ I may not deny if they give that to any other but Christ I disowne it c Is this assuming and being asked again whether he reproved them or not answered if attributed to the creature then it is reproveable d Or is this assuming if they did it to the Lord then I dare not reprove it and being asked whether he thought not Christ robbed * Nay they would rob him of his honour that would not have him to have it where he is of his honour by that honour of worship given unto him answered that he looked upon it to be really to the true honour of Christ or else he would utterly have denied it and being asked whether he had at any time whatsoever reproved those persons he answered I never understood that they gave that honour but to God a Or is this blasphemy Here we have thought to have concluded this report but the Committee meeting with some further evidence b There is need of further evidence to satisfie the wife-hearted they were willing you should be partakers of it and it is this John Baynam Deputy to the S●rgeant of the house to whose custody Naylor and his company are committed informeth that the usuall posture of James Naylor is sitting in a chair and his company both men and wodo sometimes kneel when they are weary of kneeling they sit upon the ground c They have been sound in the same postures dayly since Iames Naylor hath been removed from them And is this your further evidence before him singing these and divers other words to the like purpose viz. holy holy to the Almighty to the true God and great God and glory to the Almighty d And is ●h●s further evidence of Iames Naylors blasphemy that others sing prayses to the true God and glory to the Almighty c. And thus they do usually all the day long but the informer never heard Naylor sing as aforesaid and saith there is great resort to the said Naylor by divers persons who most of them do kneel e And doe they not still the same as when Iames Naylor was with them before him in the manner aforesaid And Martha Symmons in the posture aforesaid sung this is the joyfull day behold the King of Righteousnesse is come f It is likely she knew what she sung and well is it for them that can witness the Son of Righteousnesse come with healing c. Read Mala. 4. 2. and further the informer saith that he never knew the said Naylor shew any dislike either by reproof or otherwise of that honour or worship which John Stranger and his wife Martha Symmons and Dorcas Erbery and the rest gave him g How can he say they gave it to him since he himself saith that he never understood they did it to him as a creature and this informer hath said a littie before that their prayses were directed to the great God and to the Almighty as aforesaid And a Member of the house being lately at the place where Naylor is now a prisoner informes the Committee that he saw Naylor and his company in the posture aforesaid and heard John Stranger and one of the women sing holy holy holy Lord God h Are you angry that others should sing prayses to the Lord God and is this your further evidence of Iames Naylors blasphemy and holy holy holy to thee thee thee Lord God And whil'st John Stranger sung these words he did sometimes look upwards c Is looking upon J. N. any further evidence It seems a small thing will serve turn for further evidence and sometimes upon James Naylor Another Member * Ought his Accusers to have been his Judges it was not likely that such could see his innocency informed us as upon his own view to the same purpose And at Naylor's last examination before the Committee being Wednesday the third instant one William Piggot did inform that Naylor sitting in a Chair where he is now a Prisoner one Sarah Blackbery came to him and took him by the
thing is fallen out to try you whether or no you act against Christ where he is manifest in his Members for it is said Christ in you and if Christ be in you the body is dead because of sin and if Christ be within may not he speak in Righteousness and be confessed there Now if Jesus Christ be not in you mark Jesus Christ be not in you ye are reprobates and if Christ be within must he not speak mark Iesus Christ the Emanuel the same is it offence for Christ to speak and Jesus to speak where he is within Now examine your selves know not you your selves how that Jesus Christ is in you except ye be reprobates And if Jesus Christ be in you must he not speak in you Is it not he that must speak for the natural man receives not the things of God because they are spiritually discorned they are foolishness unto him and did not the Apostle say He did not live but Christ it was Christ that lived in him mark again it was Christ that lived in him if it was Christ that lived in him it was Christ that spake in him the life that he lived it was by the faith of the Son of God mark what a life was this and did he not say that the Son of God was revealed in him and if the Son be revealed in any must it not be he that must speak and declare of the Father but people have had the form of godliness since the dayes of the Apostles but have wanted the thing wants the thing that the Apostles were in who had the Son of God Christ Iesus and therefore it is by them that have the form wondred and stranged at and not the power of God wondred estranged where Christ Jesus is manifested and speaks and acts and rules was it not the Apostles Doctrine to preach Christ in them and told them the hope of the Glory which was in them which was the Mystery hid from ages and generations And is not this Christ the hope of Glory a Mystery in this age as it was in the days of the Apostles to the world and had been to generations before and hath it not been a mystery in the ages past amongst them that have had the form of godliness since the Apostles But where Christ within this Mystery this hope of glory is witnessed may he not speak without offence And did not Christ say he would come again to his Disciples and make his abode with them And did he not say I in you and the spirit of the Father which speaketh in you They were not to take thought when they were brought before Rulers and Magistrates and is not the spirit of the Father the spirit of Christ And are not they that have not the spirit of Christ none of his Therefore take heed I am moved to warn and charge you in the presence of the Lord God ye Rulers and Magistrates of this Nation lest ye be found acting against the spirit of the Father where he speaks in such as are brought before you who have the form of godliness such as witness Christ in them and the spirit of the Father to speak and the Son of God come according to his promise which doth witness that fulfilled doth not John say in his Epistle That the Son of God was tome and they were in him and this was the true God and Eternal life and do not the Apostles in their several Epistles which have been read amongst you long speake that Christ is in you and of their being the sons of God and the son of God revealed in them and the spirit of the father in them and Christ the mystery in them Have ye not heard these things read and amongst you and have not these things long been hid amongst them that have had the form of godliness and Christ in the male and the female and God will dwell in you and walk in you and the Word is in thy heart and is not Christs Name called the Word of God Now thi●k you not it strange to finde any to witness these things and that these things should be possessed you that have had the form of godliness long the night of the apostacie hath been long since these words were spoken forth and the thing enjoyed that these words spake of but now cometh to be possessed the things that they did enjoy which spoke the words which long they have had the form of in the night of the apostacie since the dayes of the Apostles Now if it be not the spirit of God nor the voice of the father nor the spirit of Christ that speaks in man it is natural and devilish and that is it that stands against the voice of Christ and the spirit of God but if any meer creature by him made saith that he is Christ that is false and is not so for all creatures that were created were by him and for him and all things that were made were created for his service Christ Iesus the Power of God by which all things were made and created and where the Power of God is there is Christ and Christ is the Power of God take notice of that the Power of God is everlasting where the Power of God is received and felt Christ is received and felt and where the Power of God speaks Christ speaks and ye that feel the Power of God ye feel Christ and will not be offended at the Power of God where it speaks which is Christ and so Christ is one in all who are in the povver and vvhere the povver of God doth not rule and speak the power of the devil that speaks and that is it which is tormented at the power of God which is Christ that speaks if the truth speak is it not Christ Doth he not say I am the Truth and if the life speak is it not that I which is the Life If the unrighteous speak it is a false thing but is the power of God speaks it is the truth If it be the power of God that speaks which is the true Christ it is the power of the Devil which is the false christ So examine your selves if Christ be in you the body is dead because of sin and there the sin is dead And is not Christ Iesus which ex●ept he be in you ye are reprobates is not he the Emanuel and the Saviour and the Prince of peace and is not he the prince of Life and the Hosannah and is not this witnessed within where he is made manifest or is he divided from these and is not he the Lamb of God and are not they against him where he is manifest with him that would not have him to speak such as would not have him to raigne Here you may see what hathbeen lost since the Apostles that they were in and rejoiced this night of apostacie which time had the form but not the power but now is coming again to