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A04218 Reasons taken out of Gods Word and the best humane testimonies prouing a necessitie of reforming our churches in England Framed and applied to 4. assertions wherein the foresaid purpose is contained. The 4. assertions are set downe in the page next following. Jacob, Henry, 1563-1624. 1604 (1604) STC 14338; ESTC S120955 58,997 92

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