Selected quad for the lemma: spirit_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
spirit_n	word_n	work_v	write_v	587	4	5.3914	4	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A90872	A true and faithfull narrative (for substance) of a publique dispute between Mr. Tho. Porter, & Mr. Hen. Haggar; concerning infant-Baptism. In the parish church of Ellesmer in the county of Salop, on the 30 of April, 1656. / By one who was present at, and a diligent observer of, the debate.	Porter, Thomas, d. 1667.; Haggar, Henry.	1656 (1656)	Wing P2998F; Thomason E887_1; ESTC R207352	16,499	27

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invisible_a church_n contain_v only_o the_o good_a but_o the_o visible_a both_o good_a and_o bad_a mat._n 13.47_o 48._o mr._n tallant_n many_o be_v call_v there_o be_v the_o visible_a church_n but_o few_o be_v choose_v there_o be_v the_o invisible_a mat._n 20.16_o privilege_n 2._o privilege_n mr._n porter_n they_o belong_v to_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n and_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n to_o they_o whence_o i_o argue_v thus_o they_o who_o belong_v to_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n may_v be_v baptize_v for_o they_o to_o who_o the_o thing_n signify_v belong_v to_o they_o the_o initial_a sign_n can_v be_v deny_v but_o some_o infant_n belong_v to_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n therefore_o 9_o therefore_o deut._n 29.10_o 11_o 12_o 15._o which_o be_v a_o covenant_n of_o grace_n &_o 30.6_o with_o rom._n 10.6_o 7_o 8_o 9_o some_o infant_n may_v be_v baptize_v mr._n haggar_n i_o do_v not_o understand_v what_o be_v mean_v by_o the_o sign_n and_o thing_n signify_v mr._n browne_n we_o 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luk._n 24.46_o 47._o do_v you_o think_v that_o the_o scripture_n say_v in_o vain_a the_o spirit_n that_o dwell_v in_o we_o lu_v to_o envy_v the_o apostle_n call_v this_o scripture_n but_o where_o be_v this_o proposition_n in_o so_o many_o term_n or_o syllable_n write_v in_o scripture_n mr._n haggar_n it_o be_v write_v there_o in_o that_o text._n mr._n porter_n this_o be_v just_a like_o your_o answer_n to_o mr._n baxter_n who_o allege_v christ_n prove_v the_o resurrection_n of_o the_o dead_a by_o consequence_n luk._n 20.35_o 36_o 37._o you_o answer_v 48._o answer_v foundat_fw-la p._n 47_o 48._o that_o the_o dead_a be_v raise_v be_v write_v in_o luke_n a_o weak_a and_o shift_a answer_n be_v the_o resurrection_n express_o write_v in_o exod._n 3.6_o or_o implicit_o only_a and_o so_o by_o consequence_n you_o yourself_o cite_v 20._o cite_v page_n 20._o some_o of_o our_o own_o poet_n in_o allusion_n to_o act._n 17.28_o for_o we_o be_v also_o his_o offspring_n these_o word_n be_v to_o we_o 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call_n by_o the_o spirit_n how_o else_o be_v they_o save_v die_v in_o infancy_n though_o not_o of_o a_o external_a call_n 2._o what_o though_o they_o can_v hear_v the_o child_n of_o the_o gentile_n call_v be_v no_o more_o to_o be_v exclude_v from_o baptism_n than_o the_o child_n of_o the_o jew_n from_o circumcision_n who_o yet_o can_v not_o hear_v understand_v or_o perform_v that_o condition_n gen._n 17.1_o walk_v before_o i_o 3._o your_o illustration_n of_o child_n not_o work_v add_v to_o mark_n 16.16_o do_v cut_v the_o throat_n argument_n throat_n mr._n higgar_n star_v at_o this_o word_n say_v what_o a_o word_n be_v that_o m._n porter_n say_v the_o meaning_n be_v it_o do_v take_v away_o the_o life_n and_o strength_n of_o his_o argument_n of_o your_o answer_n for_o if_o faith_n and_o repentance_n be_v not_o require_v to_o salvation_n than_o not_o to_o baptism_n a_o sign_n of_o salvation_n beside_o it_o be_v all_o one_o as_o if_o you_o shall_v say_v as_o you_o have_v say_v infant_n 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