of Gods Spirit to publish unto the World for God be over-ruled by Timothy a Son when according to the aforesaid Author he ought to be ruled by Paul the Father nay perhaps by one that is of much lesser rank in the Body if so be he hath a word of Exhortation on the behalf of Gods Truth is usually exercised therein in publick But suppose no such Obstruction hath or may appear yet I query Whether it looks like a part of Christ's Government for Timothy the Son to be admitted as a Judge over the Writings of Paul who as a Father begot him unto the Truth Paul 1 Cor. 12. Treats of the diversities of Gifts by one and the same Spirit mentioning several of them viz. The Word of Wisdom the Word of Knowledge Faith Gifts of Healing Working of Miracles Prophesy Discerning of Spirits divers kinds of Tongues Interpretation of Tongues and then at length saith God hath set some in the Church First Apostles secondarily Prophets thirdly teachers and after that Miracles c. and then saith are all Prophets are all Apostles are all Teachers c. And again Rom 14.6 7 8. He thus saith having then gifts differing according to the Grace that 's given to us whether Prophesy let us Prophesy according to the Proportion of Faith or ministry let us wait on our Ministry or he that teacheth on teaching or he that exhorteth on Exhortation From all which 't is evident that God hath given diversities of Gifts and that those Members who may be skilful through the Grace of God to Exercise one Gift may be unskillfull to exercise another and so every own ought to wait on their own Gift that therein they may be exercised and that also not beyond but according to the Proportion of Faith for doubtless the Apostle was sensible there was a proneness in some to run beyond their Gift and therefore he saith according to the Proportion of Faith Now should any number of Persons amongst whom there should be only such whose Gifts are either to Prophesy Teach or Exhort but not to discern Spirits sit together and take upon them to consider whether that which is given forth for publick Service by any Brother seriously declaring that God moved thereunto ought to come to publick View and be found hindring the coming forth of the same when nothing unsound appears they would therein make a Breach on that Christian-Liberty which ought to be preserved inviolable in the Church of God Nay if peradventure there should be some amongst them whose Gifts are to discern Spirits and so accordingly gives their approabation or disapprobation it becomes not others not gifted therein to concern themselves because their Duty is if Paul's Counsel be good to wait on their own Gift and though such may declare they have Unity therewith in the Life Yet that may be only the Fruit of their Lips or of a hasty Spirit that may have Zeal without Knowledge when the Matter wherewith they declare themselves at Unity is without the Compass of their Gift Knowledge or Capacity to Judge of But yet I would not be understood that it is unnecessary for the Members of the Church of Christ to take care that nothing Scandalous to the Truth come forth in Publick under the name of any who make profession thereof and were it so that I had ought upon me on Truths behalf to bring to publick View I should be glad of the Opportunity to lay it before such Brethren with whom the Word of Wisdom Knowledge and Discerning of Spirits dwelt yet am perswaded the Lord would preserve me from suffering the Counsel of any to lead me contrary to what I believed the Lord moved unless through the Word of Wisdom and Knowledge they could convince me of Errour and so come to see it my place to forbear And this I account agreeable to the Truth which preferrs Obedience to our own Measures of Grace before Obedience to the Measures of others and to wait on our own Gifts and not the Gifts of others even as I account it contrary to Truth and as a Branch springing from that Spirit which would limit the Holy One of Israel to subject the Approbation of Coming or not Coming of all Writings whatsoever given forth on a Religious Account to publick View unto the Judgment of any unless such as are perfectly skilful in all Spiritual Gifts Mysteries and Knowledge relating to the Matters appertaining to Gods Kingdom and the Salvation of Mankind Had this uncertain unselected Assembly spoken of been such at the time when R. B's small Treatise was approved doubtless it would never have past as that whereby Truth would be promoted through a Belief of all the Matters which therein he asserts for Truth Moreover when I consider that all Miscarriages in Writings approved at that Assembly doth not only become the error of a perticular person but of that Assembly also not only so but peradventure may be reflected though unworthily on the whole Body of the People called Quakers on a common Presumption that having past the Test of that Meeting the whole Church approves thereof I am even ready to query Whether it were not better to let every Man stand or fall to his own Master in this respect unless some better Expedient might be found than such an one as hath admitted of such Erroneous Assertions as to the dishonour of Truth are contained in R. B's Treatise And if any one should object and say What wouldst not thou submit to the Sentence of such Apostles with whom the Word of Wisdom and Knowledge dwelt Yes verily I should and ought so to do if my Faith were such as certainly to believe they are such Apostles to me but not before read 2 Cor. 10.13 14 15 16. From all which I do according to Truth thus conclude That it is groundlesly asserted by R. B. in the Sense I take his Lines to import viz. with respect to Outward Orders that the ancient Apostolick Order of the Church of Christ is Re-established amongst the People of God called Quakers Yet I do testify that the Government of Christ ought to be exercised in and over his Church and that though the Order of this Government is not so described as that by any Outward Rule or Written Prescription as a sufficient Means Man may exactly walk therein Yet I am perswaded that there are many of Gods People amongst those who in Derision are called Quakers that have been so Obedient unto that Grace which hath been given them according to the Gift of Christ as that it may be truly said of them That they are Established in the Faith of Gods Elect and that they are in Subjection according to their Measures to the Government of Christ which by the Authority of his own Power and Spirit he hath Establish'd in their Inward Parts so that through that Obedience which is of Faith other Obedience availing not they are exercising themselves according to the Leadings of
is now so opened as to see that if thou own them thou wilt bring thy self under the Just Censure of Truth for endeavouring to make any Brother an Offender for that which is no Offence And if thou own them not then thou wilt shew thy self out of Unity with the great Opposers of John Wilkinson and John Story However if thou refusest to Answer 't will be Evidence enough that thou walkest not by that Golden Rule To do as thou wouldst be done by More-over Since thy Papers give Testimony against a Spirit Why dost thou not tell us in plain Words who they are in whom according to thy Sense it works For I much doubt that if thou art not the Secret Mover to all this Strife yet the want of the Right Application of some Expressions in thy Papers testifying against Bad Spirits c. is one great Cause of the Increase of Bad Spirits and of their Scribling And therefore be Plain-hearted For I do know that a dark imaginary Spirit is entred and under the Outward Profession of Truth and that also such a Spirit appears amongst those who espouse the Cause against John Wilkinson and John Story and the Fruits that are brought forth by them which evidence that they are of such a Spirit are as followeth viz. Judging the Lord's Servants out of the Truth for particular Matters laid to their Charge without hearing them speak for themselves or first sending their Judgment or Condemnation to them before the spreading thereof contrary to the known Practice of Friends in Truth gathering Friends together on purpose to entertain their Ears with Reports against John Wilkinson and John Story and refuse to bring forth the same to John Story 's Face before Friends equally to be Chosen though desired so to do both by John Story and others Magnifying Unity amongst Brethren and yet appear those who break the Unity reproving the Spirit of Strife and yet not only the Movers but Carryers on of Strife both by Word and Writing or to speak in thy Language Stribling to the Dishonour of God and the Cause of Truth And though such who espouse the Cause against John VVilkinson and John Story may suppose themselves capable to quote Thee for an Example or at least as an Approver of such Actions for none of them as I know of do so much as suppose that thy Words or Scribling tends to reprove them yet know this from me That there are many of God's Antient Flock who retain their First Love for Truth and every Honourable Labourer in the Vineyard dare not approve of this Late and New-found Doctrine publish't against All Reasoning and All VVisdom nor yet can suffer their Faith to stand in Thee or any Man And therefore if Thou or any Man bring forth a Dream or pretend a Night-Vision to run against Faithful Friends and on that foot Scrible against them under the Notion of Bad Spirits it hath no place with them because the Day hath discovered such Folly to Men of Conscience and indued with the Wisdom that 's from Above But yet I cannot say but that as it hath it may have place with some who are of this Number and Sort viz. Such whose Ignorance is so Great as to conclude it the Fruit of Vertue to avoyd All Reasoning and All VVisdom or whose Understandings are so vailed as to have an Eye to the Night-Visions or Dreams of Men more than to the Truth in themselves and on that foot eyeing the Scriblers of Papers more than the Matters therein contained as being convinced that they ought to shut out All VVisdom and All Reasoning a most dextrous Expedient where it takes place for Anti-christ so to exalt his Kingdom as that all manner of Iniquity and Deceit may quickly enter the Flock if once the Leader or Leaders of the People bring forth their own Imaginations under the Notion of Night-Visions and publish them for the VVord of the Lord and then no marvail if such conclude That every Friend is justly Condemned if they are not at Unity with the Paper given forth by the Sixty-Six Subscribers at Ellis Hooks's Chamber as if now 't were Good Doctrine or Exhortation to direct to the Spirit and Power that appeared in the Sixty-Six Subscribers when they brought forth their Unchristian like Papen instead of directing to the Measure of Grace in themselves One thing more lyes upon me to say unto thee That though amongst the Princes of the World there are such Politick Contrivances to carry on their Designs as to ingage such others therein who for Self-Advancement become of a Temporizing Spirit or for want of the Things of this World are ready to follow for the Loaves for being of a Mean Spirit are Hurried or Over-awed with Fear And so if their Designes succeed ill then 't is the Fruit either of Evil Counsel or ill Management but if well then they carry away the Glory thereof Yet it becomes not any one or many professing themselves Members of Christ's Body thus to do And now to Conclude I have this further to Query VVhether thou Conclude thy self no way obliged to bring thy VVritings to the Second Dayes Meeting in London to be approved of there before they be Printed If thou dost not Thou hast been wrong Represented if thou dost and yet think'st all other Friends are as 't is to be doubted thou dost for I have never heard that thy Book about VVomens Meeting was there approved or that all the Things therein contained will be stood by or owned by any one Friend in Truth then 't is an evident Token Thou wouldst Exalt thy self For What is that less than to conclude That the Infallible Spirit is limited to appear through thy Earthen Vessel only For if according to the Principle of Truth the Spirit is the Judge and that its pouring forth in our Day is upon many Sons and many Daughters Why then should not the Appearance of the Spirit through any Vessel have its free Passage as well as through Thine Or Why must Some VVritings given forth by the Spirit be brought to the Second Dayes Meeting to be approved and Others not But to return I have this further to say That if Thou or any are so imaginary as to conclude That all thy Writings and Books are given forth by the Infallible Spirit and that as such they ought to be made use of a part of which I am satisfyed have so been thereby to obtain Proselytes against John Story and John VVilkinson it appears to me as if thy Notorious Erring from the Infallible Spirit in writing some things contained in thy Book of VVomens-Meetings hath been permitted to be as an Evidence Recorded against all such who ignorantly look upon thee so to be as afore-said And therefore it becomes thee to be Humbled before the Lord and to Acknowledge thy Errors therein I am not without a Sense what Entertainment my plain Dealing will have amongst many if thou suffer it to be read or spread
THE Christian-Quaker Distinguished from the Apostate Innovator In FIVE PARTS WHEREIN RELIGIOUS DIFFERNCES amongst the People termed in Derision Quakers are treated on GEORGE FOX one at least if not the chief reputed Author thereof is detected DOCTRINES of TRUTH owned by the Children of Light and cleared from Objections are laid down according to Holy Scriptures and Revelation of the Spirit By WILLIAM ROGERS on behalf of himself and other Friends in Truth concerned Eccles 2.9 There is no new Thing under the Sun Gal. 2.11 But when Peter was come to Antioch I withstood him to the Face because he was to be Blamed LONDON PRINTED in the Year 1680. THE PREFACE TO THE READER IT was the Saying of Christ As I Hear I Judge I hope that Christ's Example in that Case will be such a Bond on every one that may concern themselves touching this Treatise as that I may have no just Occasion to reflect on any Christian-Professor even as Nicodemus a Pharisee once did on those of his own Sect Joh. 7.51 Doth our Law Judge any Man before it Hear him In Confidence that this Treatise may meet with so much Justice at least from True if not from all Pretended Friends 't is now brought to Light And though some amongst the People termed in Derision Quakers appearing to stand as Neuters in the present Controversy amongst them not knowing the Christian and Orderly Proceeding of others may conclude That 't is an Untimely Birth Yet let such know that the Moderation of those who are concerned in the Publication hereof hath for many Years past been manifested Note The Divisions amongst the People called Quakers have been at least Eight Years encreasing to the Height they now are at by endeavouring as much as in them did lye as hereafter will more largely appear that those small Differences which at first seemed but like unto little Sparks might not arise unto so great a Flame as they now are And were it not so that many Meetings of the said People for the Worship of God in divers Parts of the Nation have been entertained with frequent Contention and Opposition and in particular that both Priest Professor and Prophane have become Eye and Ear-Witnesses of such Rude and Unchristian-like Deportments as of late have been mafested by many speaking at once in their Publick-Meeting within the City of Bristol before many Hundreds by which the Meeters have been reputed as in an Uproar and their Meeting-House accounted rather a Stage of Scolding than a Place for Worship of God It might not as yet have been brought to Light without some further Endeavour to have sought a Reconciliation if so be the least Hopes should have been given of its Acceptance But being void of all such Hopes Now so it is that so great a Concern of Conscience lyes on many to encourage the Publication hereof as that we can no longer forbear lest it should be reputed That the Doctrine and Life of Christianity were wholly Extinct amongst the afore-said People My Desire now is That the Reader may seriously weigh the Four following Notations and the Observations thereon and then 't will easily be savour'd at what Door the Publick Disorders have entred and whether or no they are not the very Birth of some Politick Unchristian-like Contrivance First Many in that City retain their Antient Respect for John Story and John Wilkinson Two Antient and Honourable Labourers in the Gospel of Christ whose Conversations and Doctrine I have not known or understood to be Exceeded in Godliness by any Mortal Man whatsoever and on that Foot are accounted such as Joyn to Separates or a Separate Spirit as the Term or Nick-Name sometimes is because some Upstarts and Innovators Adherents to George Fox have been pleased to disown the said John Story and John Wilkinson though they could not justly Charge them with Evil. Secondly In a Paper given forth by an Eminent Preacher and Opposer of John Story and John Wilkinson whose Name I omit for the Reasons herein after mentioned thus directed viz. To God's Friends every where concerning the present Separates and their Spirit 't is thus said Let not this Spirit be reasoned with enter not into Proposals and Articles with it but feed it with Iudgment that is God's Decree So may the Souls that are deceived come by the Right Door into the Heavenly Vnity Thirdly The same Person that writ as aforesaid was also concerned in a Paper subscribed by Charles Marshall and Sixty-Five more given forth at Ellis Hooks his Chamber the 12 th Day of the 4 th Moneth 1677. wherein 't is thus writ with Relation to John Story and John Wilkinson Therefore Brethren every where stand up in the Power and Wisdom of God for the Testimony of Truth against that Wrong Iealous Murmuring and Dividing Spirit And where they come warn them in the Name of the Lord to go home and not go thus up and down to offer their Gifts Fourthly The very same Person that writ as aforesaid thus That is God's Decree did also some Years past threaten That Bristol should be as an Anvil to beat upon meaning with Respect to Religious Differences My Observations now are That in as much as the Meeting at Bristol hath become as an Anvil whereon many Apostates or Innovators Opposers of John Story and John Wilkinson have in a Disorderly Manner frequently beat it may not rationally be taken to be the Fruit of a Politick Unchristian-like Contrivance in the best Sense And that albeit they have been apt to stamp their rude Discourses and severe Judgments in the Name of the Lord resusing to reason with such against whom they strike or in a Christian Spirit to treat of the Differences yet therein I am fully perswaded that they act rather from the Line of Another than Their own And not only so but from the Line such an one as hath taken Liberty to Violate that which he would Impose as by a Decree from God on others For though he Imperatively thus said as aforesaid Let not this Spirit be reasoned with Enter not into Proposals and Articles with it but feed it with Iudgment that is God's Decree Yet he himself did a few Moneths after accompany George Fox to the City of Bristol and there entred into Reasonings Proposals and Articles with such as owned John Story though termed a Separate or Separate Spirit which by the Scope of his Writing may reasonably be taken by those who understand his Meaning by these his words viz. This Spirit To be an Acting contrary to his own Counsel When I compare this with these kinds of Declarations frequently publish't amongst the aforesaid People viz. Let us Exclude the Reasoning the Wisdom and the Iealousie and let us have an Eye to the Brethren Further insinuating as if God had ordained Ministers amongst them that are to see and hear for the Body and common Members of the Churches as the Printed Terms are I cannot but be full of Jealousie that these
thereof as given to every man to profit withal to be that Law that Order that Rule of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus unto which every one respectively ought to be subject and yield Obedience not by Constraint but of a willing Mind and that for Conscience sake And as we were so subject we became Members of that Body against which the Gates of Hell never did or can prevail nor yet against any one Member thereof whilest abiding on the Rock Christ which is that Body the unworthy Eaters discerned not And thus for many Years it continued amongst the Friends of Truth or Children of Light for so were we called in the beginning magnifying by their Testimonies Obedience unto the Light of Christ Jesus which as the Scripture Testifies lighteth every man that cometh into the World as the only RVLE and GOVERNOVR in the Church of God unto which whosoever took heed and was obedient was esteemed to live under the Government of Christ knowing and believing that as Christ's coming is to be waited for in the Hearts of the Sons and Daughters of Men so there his Governments to be exalted and that whosoever should endeavour by outward Ways and Means to establish an Outward Government and Outward Rules Orders Laws or Prescriptions over the Heritage of God under the Notion or Pretence of Christ's Government would be found Invaders of Christs Prerogative and building the things which in the Light of Christ Jesus had been often testifyed against as more agreable to the First Covenant than the Second under which we are and touching which 't is thus said by the Prophet I will put my Law in their inward Parts and write it in their Hearts and they shall teach no more every man his Neighbour and every man his Brother saying Know the Lord for they shall all know me from the least of them to the greatest of them saith the Lord. Jer. 31.33.34 In these things we with many others were at Unity We now recommend the same to every Conscience in the Sight of God whether this our Unity was not and yet is consisting with and agreeable to the unchangable Truth The next thing we are to treat upon is By what ways and means this Vnity came to be broken In order to the Discovery thereof we think it necessary to answer one Question which probably may be asked by some Persons who may not be sensible of such a Variance hinted at Viz. How doth it appear that there is such a great Difference and Dis-union To this we say The publick Testimoneis of many Persons in those publick Meetings for Worship where we have been conversant and that when many others not under the same Profession with us have been present against dark bad leavened rending dividing or seperate Spirits with Application to such who are under the Profession of Truth and as we believe have born the Brunt and Heat of the Day and do yet continue unchanged as to the Principle of Truth and as blameless in Life and Conversation as ever they were in dayes past when their Opposers were at Unity with them so far as we know doth evidently demonstrate that the Breach is not only very wide but so publick as it cannot but concern some of the wrongfully scandalized Party whereof we are a part as Men and as Christians for our Reputations or at least the Reputation of some of us in both respects have been struck at to appear thus publick in the Vindication of Truth and therefore having long born the Reproach and Scandal of Scandalous Tongues hoping that those who have so persecuted us and others our Brethren for whose sakes we also are the more concerned would have come to see their Error and repented do now think our selves oblieged for the Honour of Truth and Information of all the Friends thereof as well as for the sakes of such as have been betrayed and led from the Simplicity of the Gospel of Christ to proceed to manifest for what Cause both we and many other our Brethren in the Vnchangable Truth are accounted such dark leavened rending dividing and seperate Spirits which being truly stated the impartial Reader will easily discover by what ways and means the aforesaid Unity came to be broken and at whose Door that will lie and which of those divided Parties do yet stand in and for the unchangable Truth That the aforesaid Cause wherefore we and others are accounted dark leavened rending dividing or seperate Spirits may be the more clearly manifested 't is needfull to consider that some enquiring Reader may be ready to ask this Question What do you believe is meant by the words dark leavened rending dividing or seperate Spirits To this we answer that many signal and outward Demonstrations both by Words and Writings too large here to insert have been given us to believe that the Publishers of such Reflecting Expressions on many ancient and honorable Brethren who we believe have approved themselves to this day Faithful Labourers in the Gospel of Christ do intend that if any one who hath been convinced of the Truth as preached amongst us in the beginning doth scruple though conscientiously to put in practise the Outward Orders and Prescriptions of some Person or Persons taking upon him or them to give forth the same such an one may justly be accounted of a dark leaven'd rending dividing or seperate Spirit And though of our certain knowledge we can declare that the understandings of many are so enlightned by the Truth as clearly to discern a deceivable Spirit entring in by this Door yet we are sensible that there are many Honest-hearted Friends who being ignorant of many things that are come to our Knowledge may have a Dread upon them lest they Err in taking part either with one or tother Party until they have further enquired and satisfyed themselves and these peradventure may be ready thus to object and tell us Objection That they are informed that some of those whom we term some Persons taking upon them to give forth outward Orders and Priscriptions are such as usually frequent the General Meeting and have been ancient Labourers in the Gospel and have been Instruments to gather us from the Lo henes and the Lo theres to follow that Teacher that cannot be removed into a Corner and that the General Meeting is an Established Meeting and that they have Power to Command Govern and Rule over others and that 't is the Duty of others to Obey for we find as they may say Robert Barclay in his Book of Government which Friends ought not to Judge because 't was approved by the Second Days Meeting in London which is a Meeting of Ministring Friends to inform us Page 27 28. That the Apostles and Primitive Christians practised Order and Government in the Church that some did appoint and ordain certain things condemn and approve certain Practices as well as Doctrines by the Spirit of God that there lay an Obligation in point of Duty
our Way was before the Devil was and all the Words Wayes and all Apostates and will be when they are gone and this I tell Thee and Them But these Words of thine are not from the Light of Christ nor the Spirit of God for I know no New Way nor New Form carryed on with Church-Authority as thou Reproachfully sayest But here thou hast manifested thy Separate Spirit and Mind For the Authority of our Men and VVomens-Meetings is the Power of Christ Jesus who is the New and Living Way and never changes And all Men and Women that believe in his Light and receive him he gives them Power to become the Sons of God and such are Heirs of the Power which is the Authority of the Meetings And they ought freely to come and go to that which they are Heirs of without your Imposition or Opposition And all that receive him in the Light he gives them Power and they are Heirs of his Power and his Life So they are Heirs of the Authority of the Men and VVomens-Meetings and every Man and Woman that is an Heir has Right to the Authority and they have taken their Possessions and are taking their Possessions And you in your Separate Spirit from the Divine Light of Christ say Your Chosen Men and them whom you have given Power unto And say Usurpers of Authority have come amongst your Chosen Men whom you have given no Power unto And that None shall sit amongst your Chosen Men neither of your own County nor others but to tell their Message and go their wayes And so this kind of Church-Order amongst you as you call it is worse than any Court or Assizes or Sessions or Courts And much I could say to it but you may read your Paper though you make a great Pretence of Liberty in it But I have not heard yet of any that like your Prescription that keep their First Love and Habitation And therefore as I said before the Way to come into Unity is to Condemn it all and give over your Spirit of Strife and Fightings and come into that which did first Convince you that by it you may be made true Members and so come into Meekness and Unity For I saw many Years before I went forth that such should rise in Opposition and so it is nothing to me because it is the same Spirit that hath risen formerly in many others and the Peaceable Truth and Gospel of Peace is over it and it is out of the Kingdom that stands in Peace And the efore what I write is for your Good and it had been well for Thee and You had you taken what I writ before patiently For I see the more you stir the more you will heap upon your own Heads and the further ye will put your selves except you come to Repentance and come down in the Humility for thee and you are too high and I Judge this Spirit as I said before and its Works with the Spirit and Light of Christ For in the Spirit and Light of Christ is my Unity that is atop of this Spirit and its Works and in that is my love to all for their everlasting good whether they will hear or forbear and my Life is out of your Spirit of Strife and over it for the Seed of Life reigns which had you kept in it you would have seen me the same now as I was in the beginning and being gone from that and gone into Doubts Jealousies and Questions and Evil Surmisings by which you are blinded so as you see not me as I was in the beginning as many others have done the same before you and when they are gone from the unlimited Spirit of Christ then they are afraid to be limited And therefore be advised and come to judge that Spirit lest your Bonds be made strong and you grow worse and worse and find not a Day of Repentance and the Lord give you up to Hardness of Heart and to your Hearts Lusts and that your Latter-End be not worse than your Beginning for it is the Universal Spirit and Life that your Spirits fight against which as I said before God will blast And so mind your End for it will manifest it self and has manifested it self to all you that be in the Light which I fay once again come unto and condemn this Spirit and its Works and your Separation that in it you may have Unity for it s out of the Paradise in the Transgression I thought to have written nothing to thee but to have sent thy Letter back unto thee again knowing what Spirit it came from which indeed was not worth Answering but only to the intent that thou and you might Repent and come into that which you were brought into in the beginning and in that you will see what a spirit is gotten up in you that by it you may judge it and not die and perish in your Gainsaying for the word which I writ to you will stand and you will find it and I shall be manifest to that of God in all though it be the Condemnation of them that walk not in it and my Unity is with them that walk in it and such need no outward Prescriptions that are written with the Spirit of God in one anothers Hearts to gather them withal who are written in Heaven and whose Names are written in the Book of Life before the Foundation of the World was Glory to God for Ever And I shall not much take notice of You if you continue in Strife except it be by publick Testimonies And the Jewes might have reflected against the Prophets who spoke the Word of the Lord often to them but they did not regard it neither would they be convinc'd who stood in their Own Wills And truly John I must needs tell thee Thou and You are gotten up into the same and I have been sorry for You and my Spirit has sometimes Travelled but I saw there was a perverse Spirit in thee when thou wert at Swarthmore though I dealt tenderly and plainly and faithfully with you and spoke the word of the Lord to You and told You that If You did not come to that which did first convince You and bring all others whom you had drawn into a separation with You to Condemn it the Blood of all them would be required at your Hands and that was and is the Word of Truth which will stand and is Sealed And I was grieved that the Glory of the Lord which had appeared in the North and his Name should be dishonoured by your cross thwarting Spirit and that You should bring an Evil Report upon it into the South of any difference but that was and is a true Word You are got up into a wrong Spirit that is Rough and Course which I feel and see that is not savoury nor gracious which had you retained your primitive Love and Light and Faith that works by Love and been in the quiet meek Spirit and
Things have a Tendency to insinuate Submission without Conviction to nurture up Ignorance instead of Wisdom and to introduce Bondage instead of Freedom in Christ as much as ever was under the Cover of a Black-Coat in the Dark Night of Apostacy where this Maxime viz. Ignorance is the Mother of Devotion is known to be true with respect to a Zealous Observation of what the Clergy have imposed and taught What is already signified may give some little Taste of Apostacy or Innovation unto such as have been acquainted with the Primitive Doctrines and Practices of the True Christian-Quaker or Children of Light for so we were called in the Beginning But yet 't is with me a little to treat of one other grand Mark of Apostacy or Innovation viz. Iudging the Merit of a Cause without Hearing the same As before is signified 'T was the Saying of Christ As I Hear I Judge But yet I am a Witness that Ignorance or Envy or that which is worse hath so abounded as that the True Christian-Quaker hath been judged and censured by such as retain that Name but not his Nature when See the Appendix to the Second Part of the Christian-Quaker unheard in the Defence of Himself and the Cause of Truth which he hath stood for When I consider the aforesaid Words of Christ As I Hear I Iudge John 5.26 27. and that it sprang from him who was Partaker of his Father's Life and Power and knew all Things John 16.30 it s to me a real Confirmation that a Pretence to Life Power and Discerning of Spirits cannot be sufficient Plea to justify a Practice contrary to that Example And therefore since I know that such a Pretence hath been the only Plea for that Practice I conclude it no better than the Fruit of Ignorance or Envy or that which is worse Ignorance in those who have believed that outward Ministers are Ordained of God amongst the People called Quakers to See for the Body and Hear for the Body and on that Foot signe and glory in other Men's Lines made ready to their Hands whether they know any thing of the Truth thereof or no. Envy or that which is worse in such an one as hath used both Acquired and Natural Parts from the Strength of Reason Testimonies of Scriptures Arguments from the Light of Christ Citations out of Antient and Modern Writers as well as Examples of Antient Fathers to convince some Professors of Christianity of their Errors and yet imperatively signify To God's Friends every where as before is cited on this wise Let not this Spirit be reasoned with enter not into Proposals and Articles with it but feed it with Iudgment that is God's Decree And indeed the Endeavours of some have taken such an Effect as that the abused Parties Readiness to abide a Hearing before a competent Number of Persons equally to be chosen if any one had Matter of Evil Fact or False Doctrine to lay to their Charge would not be accepted but instead thereof a Persevering to term them dark and rending Spirits without evidencing wherein Which is far short of that Justice which appeared in Festus when he directed the Jewish Informers against Paul to Accuse him of Wickedness if there be any in him These Things considered What ingenious Reader can conclude that Persons so qualifyed are of any better Spirit than those Persecuting Jews were of unto whom the aforesaid Festus on the Behalf of Persecuted Paul said Acts 25.16 It is not the Manner of the Romans to deliver any Man to Dye before that he which is Accused have the Accusers Face to Face and have Licence to answer for himself concerning the Crime laid against him And though the Testimony of Festus runs not parallel with respect to the taking away of the Natural Life yet several Instances might be produced to manifest that there are amongst the People termed Quakers such as practise so far as in them lyes the bringing a Death upon the Good Name and Reputation of the True Christian-Quaker without giving Opportunity to know Whether they pretend to Accuse of Matter of Evil Fact or no. These Things considered puts me in mind to note That one great Part of the Matter of Controversie is touching John Story who in Publick Meeting for Worship hath in my Hearing been accused for a False Prophet and when the Accuser hath been desired to prove him so the Answer hath been He is of a Dividing Spirit and therefore a False Prophet But when in Answer it hath been said as of late it hath Bring forth and prove Matter of Evil Fact or False Doctrine against him and we will disown him then nothing of that Nature hath been brought forth much less proved against him Which considered I rationally infer That such Opposers of the Christian-Quaker whom in this Preface I intend are guilty of one other Mark of Apostacy or Innovation in not admitting to be put in Practice the Rule of Christ when he said Ye shall know them by their Fruits Matth. 7.16 meaning as the Scripture declares such as were False Prophets And that they may the better evade the Rule prescribed as by Christ sometimes affirm That a Good Cause may be ill managed and a bad Cause well managed Thereby insinuating into Ignorant People that though John Story and his Friends have managed their Cause well whil'st their Opposers have managed their Cause but ill yet that John Story and his Friends are Persons of Bad Spirits and their Opposers Persons of Right Spirits And for my own part I no way doubt but that this sort of Argumentation hath become a Defence and Cover for False Certificates Lyes and Slanderous Accusations whereby some have been proselyted to oppose the Truth it self Oh great Abomination If Living Well and holding forth nothing but Sound Doctrine shall not be brought to the Measuring Line of Christ What Defence can there be against a Slanderous Tongue And if Evil Practices and Unsound Doctrine pretended to be publish't in the Name of God shall admit of this Cover he is notwithstanding of a Good Spirit A little Religion and common Sense will give an Understanding of what Absurdities and Gross Darkness may be introduced under those Notions 'T is then easily to be discerned that if the Envy of a Proud Man that seeks Lordship over the Consciences of others do but once put to speak comparatively the Bare-Skin upon the Back of a Friend in Truth there will not be wanting a Company of Ignorant or Envious Persons ready to bite and devour him and to spread abroad Certificates of Defamation Right or Wrong amongst Enemies as well as Friends according to the Example given by G. F. when writing to H. S. R. T. and another Person of Harford he thus said Here is a Certificate enclosed from Two of John Story 's Neighbours who very well know he hath been an Encourager of the Separate-Meeting in Westmoreland which you may shew both to Enemies and Friends with the other
Two Certificates Which being compared with what he writ from Amsterdam the 14 th Day of 7 th Moneth 1677. on this wise And you that have given your Testimony against that Note By the word This Spirit I take his Meaning to be J. S. and J.W. and such as are at Unity with them because in another Paper I find him thus expressing himself viz. This Separate Spirit of J. S. and J.W. Spirit stand in your Testimony till they Answer by Condemnation and do not strive and make Bargains with that which is out of the Truth clearly shews a Designe of Imposition and that so far as in him lyes to obstruct Friends from Bargaining with such whom he Condemns By which if his Meaning be that he would not have Friends Discourse with such nor yet to agree about any Orderly Conference in order to a Reconciliation or Hearing of Differences than his own Practice afterward in submitting to a Limited Meeting with me on a particular Occasion within the City of Bristol in the 12 th Moneth 1677. before Twelve Persons chosen on each side condemns his own Direction Besides such a Meaning from the Great Apostle of Christ which doubtless G. F. is at least reputed by many to be seems wholly repugnant to the Counsel of the Apostle who said Jude 3 4. It is needful for me to write unto you that you should earnestly contend for the Faith which was once delivered unto the Saints for there are certain Men crept in unawares viz. Ungodly Men. We also find That Gainsayers according to Paul's Counsel to Titus were to be Convinced by sound Doctrine and Exhortation Titus 1.9 Which leads me to query Whether there be any Room left to convince Gain-sayers by sound Doctrine or Exhortation or otherwise earnestly to contend for the Faith with such as are crept in unawares c. unless Conference be admitted with such as are supposed to be so that so they may be made manifest to all And Whether 't is not rational to conclude That G. F. who endeavours that others should avoid such Conferences doth not give just Cause of Jealousie that he is of that Number whom the Apostle reputed Ungodly Vain Talkers and Deceivers But if otherwise G. F's Meaning be that such whom he Condemns have no Right to Note Some perhaps may think this a Groundless Insinuation and therefore I thought meet thus to note That one of my Correspondents highly affected with G. F. and who for many Years past hath been Partner with me in a Merchandizing-Trade to several Parts beyond the Seas is of late come so far as on the Score of my Concern in Religious Differences amongst the afore-said People to break off all manner of Dealing with me in Partnership declaring by his Letter as a Reason for his so doing in these Words I CANNOT BVT REASONABLY EXPECT THE HAND OF THE LORD MAY BE AGAINST THEE AND THAT PERADVENTVRE IN THE THINGS OF THE WORLD I omit his Name amongst others concerned in the Differences for the Reasons hereafter mentioned Let now the Ingenious and Impartial Reader consider whether this is not at least next Door to a Discouragement to Buy and Sell with me For if all should so serve me I should be obstructed to proceed in that Method of Trade by which I have been enabled not only to provide for my Family but to administer to the Relief of others also Bargain Buy or Sell until they Answer by Condemnation then I may justly term That to be a Mark of the Beast spoken of Rev. 13.17 where 't is thus said No Man might buy or sell save he that had the Mark or Name of the Beast Let the Reader take either of these Two Meanings for a Third I cannot think of and 't is the Mark of a Deceiver of such as dwell on the Earth which are the Terms wherein John Revel 13.14 describ'd the Beast He that hath an Ear to hear let him hear Having thus far proceeded in some measure to manifest the Reason of the Publication hereof as well as to note a few Marks of Apostacy or Innovation that so the Reader from the Preface may have a little Savour of that Spirit by which the Opposers of the Children of Light are led I now come to signify that the further Design of this Preface is chiefly to Answer the Three following Queries which on the Perusal of the ensuing Treatise I am sensible from Discourse already had may arise in the Breasts of some called Quakers Qu. I. Why hast thou omitted to mention the Names of some Persons and Authors of some Books and Papers reflected on in this Treatise Qu. II. Why hast thou treated on Principles held forth by the People called Quakers since many Books have already been given forth by some amongst them treating on many if not all of those Things which thou hast done Qu. III. Whether thy Publishing this Treatise in Print may not in probability give unto others a Knowledge of the Differences amongst us and so obstruct the Encrease of our Meetings and the Gathering of some yet walking in the Broad Way into the true Faith and cause many already gathered thereunto to stumble and fall Before I shall make direct Answer to these Queries 't is needful to inform the Reader of some Things relating to Orderly Proceeding and Constraint of Spirit which being considered may be well taken for a Just Apology thus to appear in Print and not only so but may render the direct Answers more satisfactory And therefore I do first proceed to signifie that in the Year 1678. the Religious Differences amongst the People called Quakers were so publickly manifested that several of my Brethren seemed not only grievously burthened therewith but also concern'd that the Things which became their Burthen might be stated in Writing and Remonstrated to such amongst them who as was supposed might be Instruments to put a Stop thereto This being several times treated on by some I was desired and at length it became my Concern of Conscience to put Pen to Paper on that Subject which accordingly I did until at length I compleated an Historical Manuscript consisting of Three Parts In the First Part is manifest A Part of those Things wherein the Faithful were at Unity and by what Wayes and Means that Unity came to be broken In the Second Part are cited Many Papers Epistles Testimonies Proceedings and Practices which were the Effects of Disunion Separation and Division In the Third Part Certain Doctrines are treated on and that Sense manifested wherein they have been and are received believed and owned amongst the Children of Light who being not affected to leave that Teacher which cannot be removed into a Corner to follow the Dictates of such Men whose Doctrines and Practices do manifest them fallible have and do keep their Place and Habitation in the Unchangeable Truth After the said Manuscript was prepared Four Friends whereof my self was One writ unto George Fox and Two other Persons
Men on the Part of our Opposers in publick Meetings for Worship of God have frequently been Cause of Stumbling to some so that 't is to be doubted that Jealousies have been ready to enter many that though the Name of Christianity is retained amongst the People called Quakers yet that the Nature Life and Doctrine thereof hath suffered Shipwrack amongst them if all under that Name ought at this Day to be measured by the Deportment and Doctrine of some The particular Instances of such Deportments and Doctrines whereof I have been Eye and Ear-Witness might fill a large Volumn And therefore if this be granted it cannot but by every Considerate and Impartial Reader be thought needful enough that a Testimony unto the Principles of Truth antiently held forth amongst them might once more be Revived and Committed to Posterity on behalf of that Party amongst them who account themselves Persecuted Reviled and evilly Intreated when they know no other Cause thereof than in their stedfast Adhering to and Persevering in the Way of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus and having begun in the Spirit cannot be in Unity with such as to them seem to expect Perfection through a zealous Exalting of other Mens Lines made ready to their Hands And thus the Generations to come as well as at this Day may know that though some Lovers of Preheminence Innovators and Unskilful Preachers that know not how to divide the Word aright have been pleased to stigmatize others with these Terms viz. Dark Leavened Rending Dividing Separate Spirits yet it hath been manifest that 't is because such others cannot in a Temporizing Spirit change their Way and depart from their Antient Path which by the Spirit of God they have been led into and wherein they have had Fellowship with their Antient Brethren whom the Lord Anointed to publish his Everlasting Gospel and to gather others from the Lo here 's and the Lo there 's to take heed unto the Holy Unction in themselves as a Sufficient Guide unto the Father of Life Quer. 3. Whether thy Publishing this Treatise in Print may not in probability give unto others a Knowledge of the Differences amongst us and so obstruct the Encrease of our Meetings and the gathering of some yet walking in the Broad Way into the True Faith and cause many already gathered thereunto to stumble and fall Answ Nay The Considerations inducing me so to Answer are these Though this Treatise declares that there are Divisions amongst the People called Quakers yet that 's no more than what to my Knowledge is publickly known both to Professor and Prophane and that from Observations of such in the Publick Meetings for Worship for many Moneths if not Years past as are not reputed to be of the People called Quakers The Occasion of such Observations in some Meetings hath been so frequently given as that it seems to me to be as impossible to cover the Knowledge thereof as that which hath been Proclaimed by a common Bell-Man and the Instruments which for the most part have been the Proclaimers hereof have been such as under the Notion of Preachers in God's Name though in a Reality but idle ignorant Praters in the Will of Man by their Declarations run against the Friends of Truth sometimes by Name and other times not so particular though intelligible enough and yet incapable to detect such as is Evil either in Conversation or Doctrine Which being considered and compared with many Imaginary Discourses in Publick Meetings for Worship of God whereby the Publishers thereof appear Unlearned in the School of Christ 't is irrational to expect that any Person Conscientiously seeking after the Way of Truth should be gathered to such as are at Variance each with other and whose Publick Assemblies have been at some times the very Stages of Contention and if they should 't is most certain they would not therein be gathered unto such as are in an Heavenly Fellowship each with other but if on the contrary such as are seeking after the way of Truth amongst the People called Quakers have been disaffected with them in general from a certain Knowledge of their divisions and the unsound Doctrines held forth by some and yet shall but seriously ponder this Treatise it may become a means unto such to eschew the Evil and embrace the Good by inclining their hearts unto the Principles of Truth herein held forth and not suffering the offence given by such amongst them as have retained the Name but not the Nature nor yet in some respects the Doctrine of Christianity so to enter as to hinder their Perseverance and Growth in the true Faith untill at length they may come into Union and Fellowship with the faithful Friends thereof Moreover to me it seems impossible that the seasonable asserting the Truth and pleading for it can occasion any to stumble and fall from it but rather the Contrary However I must confess 't is probable enough that it may occasion many to disregard such kind of Preachers or rather Praters whose Doctrines and Practices have not only caused the Name of the Lord to be evil spoken of but whose Necessities have seemed to be a Bait unto them to Follow for the Loaves and no marvel if these instead of Gathering to God Gather to themselves and as a proper expedient to obtain such a gathering publish in the open Meetings for Worship of God such like Doctrines as these according as I have already hinted and which I am a witness from the hearing of my ear have in publick meetings for worship been publisht viz. Have your Eye to the Brethren meaning thereby Publick Preachers If you do not see your selves follow us that do see And frequently exhort to shut out the reasoning the Wisdom and the Iealousy without distinction which being compared with these primitive and wholesome Exhortations and Doctrines Wisdom is Iustified of her Children look not unto us but unto the Lord take heed unto the Light of Christ in your own consciences Draw water out of your own Wells let it be your own and not anothers it seems to me more like the Language of those Shepherds who as the Prophet said Sought for their gain from their Quarters than the Language of such whom the Lord hath anointed to cherish and feed his Sheep To Conclude this Preface 't is with me to say unto every one through the Nations called by the name Quaker on this wise Let the remembrance of the dayes that are past come before you wherein the Servants of the Living God Labourers in the Gospel in the beginning of the latter Day of the Ministration of Light sounded by his trumpet an Alarm to the Nations And what said the voice of the Eternal Power through them It spoke to this effect unto the inhabitants of the Earth Awake Awake from the sleep of Death that the Lord may give unto you Life He that was and is and is to come is arisen in a remnant and Christ the Son
plain and lest my so doing should become a Stumbling-Block to any of the Friends of Truth it is with me also to say that I do not so with Expectation that the Friends of London should look upon themselves as having any Authority or Jurisdiction in any Matter or Concern whatsoever relating to the Friends of Truth without the Consent of Parties given them But my chief End in choosing to lay such things which I at present have Freedom to do before the Friends of this great City is because I suppose that there are several Persons in and adjacent thereunto who may be more capable to negotiate a Matter tending to Reconciliation in this Case than some in some other places may and that because of the Influence which as I suppose some amongst them if any at all elsewhere have with George Fox touching whom my present Concern of Spirit and Conscience is and my End in thus opening my self to several Friends in divers Parts of the Nation whereof you are a part is not that upon my thus writing to you you should take upon you to Judge the matter but that when you have heard the Matter that at present I am free to communicate to you you may then seriously wait upon the Lord and weigh the Matter laid before you and if any thing shall be with you to propose unto George Fox and me in order to a Decision of the Differences between us and it shall appear that which may be approved by the Witness of God in my Conscience I have this Faith that a Constraint will be upon my Spirit to submit thereto for Conscience Sake so far as may concern me That now you may be made sensible of what I am at present free to communicate unto you I think meet to transcribe a Letter written by me unto George Fox for the further clearing of my Conscience and that if possible with clearness to my Conscience his many Errours and Slanderous false Accusations may not lye on a Printed Record to his Shame unto Posterity The said Letter now followeth Bristol the 6th of the 12th Mo. 1679. George Fox I doubt not but that thou mayst remember that in a Letter unto Joan Hily in or about the 10th Month 1678. thou thus writ I do understand that William Rogers and his Company hath spread abroad a Bad and Lying Paper against me and that he and they have contrary to their Order Friends Agreement when I and we were at Bristol and had a Meeting with them he has made a kind of Narrative of the same and sent it abroad in the Nation among Bad Spirits Thus far thou in thine to Joan Hily The report thereof coming to my Ears and understanding that 't was the Ground of a Wicked Report in the Mouth of another not professing the Truth I concerned my self to enquire into the Matter and thereupon obtained the following Certificate WE whose Names are hereunto subscribed do testify that Joseph Forrest of Bristol Button Maker one that was never accounted as we know or ever heard to be of the People called Quakers related that he saw a Letter in the Hands of Joan Hily of Bristol Widdow wherein William Rogers was much vilifyed as a wicked and bad Man by George Whereupon William Rogers desired us to go to Joan Hily to see the Letter who this Day shewed us a Letter c. at the End whereof we saw written the above recited Note The Lines mentioned to be above recited are the same mentioned in this Letter as written by thee touching me Lines which Joan Hily said were written by George Fox's own Hand and subscribed by him we also do believe it was his Hand-Writing Dated Bristol 4th of 11th Mon. 1678. Alexander Pyott Cornelius Sarjant This occasioned me to write unto thee in the presence of Joan Hily Alexander Pyot and Cornelius Sarjant the same Day and therein repeating the Matter of Accusation c. as abovesaid I then thus answered And forasmuch as Joan Hily was desirous to know what I could say for my self I thought it necessary to acquaint thee that I thus said unto her I have not concerned my self to spread abroad any bad or lying Paper against thee nor yet have been any way concerned in spreading a kind of a Narrative contrary to any Agreement wherein I was concerned and that thy Writing to Joan Hily touching me is a Slander and a Lye c. and so will become thy Burthen wast thou an Innocent Man thou wouldest have endeavoured in a Christian Method to clear the things touching which I have often written unto thee Thou mayest also remember that on the 11th of the 11th Month 1678. I writ unto thee again and sent it by a Messenger on purpose that so I might have an Account of its Delivery unto thee c. and the End of my so doing was twofold First lest the other should miscarry which Joan Hily undertook to send unto thee under her Cover Secondly To signify my Expectation of Satisfaction from thee for the Wrong thou hast done me c. Thou mayest also Remember that by Letter dated the 22th of the 2d Month 1679. written by my self and three others unto thee and two others 'T was signifyed unto thee on the Occasion of my being rendred a Covenant-Breaker or to that purpose that thou hadst used many Aggravating Expressions concerning me viz. Rendering my practice therein in these Words Below Common Morral Men not for the Society of Civil People short of Christianity a Truce-breaking Spirit a Covenant Breaking Spirit not to be Credited and below some Priests to spread such things behind our Backs in a secret underly way which doth clearly manifest is not the Spirit of Christ nor honesty amongst Men. And in the same Letter I declared That 't was but reasonable that thou shouldest prove the Matter whereof thou accusedst me because I declared thou wast a False Accuser Thou mayest also remember that Thomas Gouldney William Ford and my self signifyed unto thee by our Letter dated the 11th of the 11th Month 78. and because we would be sure it might come to thy Hand we caused it to be sent by a Messenger on purpose to thee and then we gave the Copy of a Letter dated from no Place and subscribed S. H. Thou mayst also remember that in the said Letter these following Reflections were made upon us on the aforesaid Occasion viz. You in a secret underly Way sent Papers behind the backs of them that were concerned this Practice of yours is worse than the Priests and made your selves of no Reputation nor Credit amongst Men such Work c. not fit for the Society of Men all Judicious Civil Men would abhor your Practice made yourselves of no Credit degenerate from Common Civil Men in Breaking Covenants And forasmuch as we were jealous that thou wast the Note The Language used by him and already cited is so near like this that sew will suppose that it dropt from two distinct
Persons Dictator thereof we writ unto thee desiring thee to acquaint us if thou couldst who it was that wrote such a Letter or a Letter to the like Import and whether thou didst know of any thing acted by us or either of us according as in the said Copy was mentioned telling thee also that Truth seeks no Corners But notwithstanding the aforementioued four Letters on the aforesaid Occasion yet nothing is come to this Day to either of our hands as Answer from thee so far as I know which considering how forward thou hast been in other Cases to answer in thy Vindication it s to me a Demonstration that thy Guilt is such as that no Answer in Truth can render thee an Innocent Man This is not all the Abuse which thou hast offered to me as well as to the Truth it self But thou hast farther and that at a large rate too persisted by thy Lyes Slanders c. to gainsay the Truth as I have sufficiently manifested in my rejoinder which thou hast not yet Answered so far as ever I understood to thy Reply and John Blackings Postscript which was written in Answer to what I writ unto thee dated the 20th of the 7th Month grounded on thy sending Queries to be read in our Mens Meeting in Bristol and not only so but thy Agents have been very busy to publish thy foresaid Reply into divers parts of the Nation to the corrupting the Minds of many who give Credit thereto all which being in much seriousness of Spirit weighed by me encreaseth the Concern of Conscience on me to wipe away thy Refuge of Lies by detecting thee in Print if by any reasonable means the Door may be open so to do for thy manifold Abuses of me unless some other Expedient agreeable to the Truth may be found to satisfy my Conscience touching which I hope I shall forever have an Ear open to any one that may speak unto me in the Word of Truth And thus I am concerned the more for that I have been by several Friends from divers Countryes and Places called upon to Vindicate the Truth as well as my self against thy Reproach However I doubt not but I may yet forbear to Print against thee if per the next Post after thy receipt hereof thou give me that satisfaction as is proposed in mine above cited of the 11th of the 11th Mounth 1678. and acknowledge the Errours Lyes Slanders and Forgery c. whereof I have detected thee in my aforesaid Rejoynder sent unto thee several moneths past with direction that it may be read amongst Friends as publickly as thy false Scandalls have extended or otherwise if thou shalt pretend that thou art not convinced of being guilty of Lyes c. if thou furnish me before the General Meeting with such a number of fair Copies in Manuscript of my Rejoynder as may be sufficient to Inform all such of the Truth as have been mis-informed by thy Fallacious Reply and give thy Directions that it may be read in the General and other Mens Meetings it may be for ought I yet know a consideration to me to forbear For my desire is not to discover thy Errours and Evil Practices further than amongst those who Profess the Truth if by any meanes posible I can and yet so clear my Conscience as that they may have a Proper Looking-Glass to behold thee in as thou art and ought to be seen If thou condescendest to what is last proposed it may also be ground of Hope that thou wilt condescend to give Satisfaction for other thy Miscarriages And of this I desire to hear from thee by a Letter to be directed to James Claypoole under thy Cover desiring him to send it unto me If thou answer not my Request I then think it needful to inform thee that my self and others may then have no ground of Hope that thou wilt give us Satisfaction for other thy Offences committed against thy Brethren to the Dishonour of God and his Truth which the Friends thereof profess and so my Concern will then be not only to detect thee for such thy Errours and evil Practices which thou hast occasionally committed with respect to me but forasmuch as I am fully satisfyed in my Conscience on such grounds as I think not my self oblieged to reiterate that thou hast been one chief Instrument or at least an Abetter of such as have whereby Note This Letter is intended to be spread abroad amongst Friends and the Reason wherefore I Insert these general Reflections without particular Evidence is chiefly to become a Remembrance unto Friends that they may consider whether they have not been Witnesses that my Sense is true for I know there are many amongst us who if Occasion required are ready to give the like Testimony I certainly know the particular evidences hereof producible are so many as might fill a large Volume and for that reason also improper on this Occasion a biting and devouring Spirit is entered some amongst the Flock and that Heaps of unsound and aiery Teachers that appear amongst us as if they were sent to call for Fire from Heaven receive Life from thee and thereby are emboldned to entertain the Congregation with Empty and Idle vain Discourses to the obstructing of such as I firmly believe have the Word of God to deliver in the demonstration of the Power and Spirit and therefore my Concern hath been to treat on several Particulars which have been as so many several Steps by which Divisions have ascended to the Height they now are at To send the Copy thereof is unreasonable because thou mayst when I have so done take no more notice thereof than thou hast of the four forementioned Letters However lest thou should now imagine that I will act against thee in a secret underly way and to prevent thee from running into further Errour by such evil Suggestions from thy Imaginations as heretofore with Relation to me thou hast done I think meet to signify unto thee the Matters whereon I have treated in that Manuscript prepared by me for the PRESS unless my Conscience can be otherwise satisfyed in Relation to thee wherein I doubt not but to every Impartial Reader there will appear matter whereby thou wilt be manifested guilty of many Evil Practices and Errours for which thou ought to give Satisfaction both to Particular Persons whom thou hast wronged as well as to the Church of God in General In the said Manuscript I treat on the seven Queries sent unto John Wilkinson the sixteen Queries sent unto John Story making Observations on Proceedings thereon and which had Relation thereto I also take notice of two of thy Letters to John Wilkinson and John Story and of several of mine to thee and of John Story 's Letter to the two Meetings in the North the Dissatisfaction relating to thee at Bristol thy Queries read at Bristol and other things relating thereto I now come to take Notice that John Blaickling in his Postscript to
thy Reply to me thus sayeth But let me ask William Rogers and them that take his part hath George Fox shewed forth the Fruit of a Careless Loose Libertine or Dark Spirit Let that Man come forth in the whole Nation that can justly charge him with such a Spirit from his Child-hood This seems a Challenge made by John Blaickling on thy Behalf and approved by thee since 't is sent by thee to me annexed to thy Reply unto me and therefore I am concerned thus to Answer that if thou wilt acknowledge that the Publication of Lyes the Making use of a Certificate in thy Favour given forth by a Man that thou thy self knows knew nothing of some of the Matters whereof by the Words of his Testimony he undertook to clear thee giving Instructions to others to perform Duty and yet take Liberty directly to violate the same thy self as if thou wouldst have Friends follow thy Words but not thy Example be the Fruit of a Careless Loose Libertine or Dark Spirit then I am the Man in this Nation who am ready to come forth to charge thee with the Fruit of a Careless loose libertine Dark Spirit and to Justify the Charge against thee and not only so but shall at that time very freely give thee Liberty to take copy of what is prepared against thee as aforesaid after the Reading thereof in such an Assembly as we may agree upon And to be plain I cannot but for the clearing of my conscience tell thee that if thourefuse to come forth on this Challenge occasioned as aforesaid I hope all Friends who shall come to the Knowledge hereof will be on their Watch that they may escape the Snare in which many have been caught through the Belief of Lies publish't by thee and that none for the future will account That all Friends Disunity with thee is an Infallible Demonstration of being out of Unity with the Lord and his People I am Thy Friend William Rogers In the above-said Letter to G. F. together with what I have written preceeding the same is contained as much as at present I am free to comunicate unto you untill such time I may understand whether my Lines may be by you deem'd worthy your notice which if it be my desire is that I may hear from you in writing touching the matter presented to your view and as I said before if any thing shall be with you to propose unto me and it shall appear that which may be approved by the Witness of God in my Conscience I have this Faith that then a constraint will be upon my Spirit to submit thereto for Conscience sake I am Your Friend William Rogers There was a Postscript added which I omitted to take Copy of but suddenly after Remembring it I noted that to the best of my Rememberance 't was to this purpose Had you obtained a Meeting of the Friends of the City as was desired I should if it had been proposed readily assented to the Reading amongst them of the Manuscript prepared To the aforesaid remonstrance I never received any Answer neither have I understood that 't was at any time communicated by those unto whom it was sent unto any other Friends within the City of London One thing more yet worthy observation viz. That George Fox had no inclination to meet me for which many evidences might have been produced had there been occasion but lest any one should think it an unjust Reflection I desire that what follows may be duely weighed William Rogers to Daniel Smith of Marlborough Bristoll the 13th of the 4th Moneth 1680. Daniel Smith UNderstanding that thou hadst some words with G. F. concerning me and that in relation to my proposition of giving him a Meeting before Friends to the end that if he were guilty of any thing reproachful to the Truth he might condemn it if not he might be cleared I thought meet to request thee to send me a few Lines signifying what his Answer was to that Proposition and forasmuch as thou appeared a plain man and accounted to the best of my Remembrance that my Proposition was rational I hope thou wilt Answer this my Request c. Thy Loving Friend William Rogers Now followeth so much of Daniel Smiths Answer as relates to the above Request Malborough the 6th of 5th Mo. 1680. William Rogers FRiend thine I received and this Account I can give thee thy Charge concerning George Fox writ by thee at Calve I gave to him and shewed thy Mind concerning a hearing and he judged it would prove but a Jangle as it was at Bristol c. Daniel Smith The above said few Lines from Daniel Smith the Elder in Answer to mine compared with G. F's Silence to what I have written to him desiring a Meeting and his Neglect to give Answer unto two Letters sent unto him by John Rance and written on purpose to entreat him to give a Meeting clearly shew that George Fox had no mind to concern himself to meet me and therefore I had no Reason at my last being in London to attend and wait for George Fox's coming to the City To conclude much more might in Truth be written to evidence the Matter intended by this Postscript which at present I shall omit having this Faith and Confidence that as in Conscience I have been concerned to prepare and publish this Treatise and at this Moment and Conclusion have the Answer of Peace in my Bosome so there will be a Service for the Lord his Truth and People therein And though some may make Lies their Refuge evil Insinuations and false Constructions their Defence to abuse both it and me and other Friends in Truth concerned as well as to cover the Head of Deceit and to uphold that which the Lord as I firmly believe hath determined to bring down into the Dust yet my Faith is that the Lord in his due time will discover the Skirts of such and take away the unjust Reproaches from off his Peculiar People and cause 〈◊〉 Vengence and Indignation to take hold on the Adversary and give unto those who are Obedient unto that Spirit in which the Election stands an Encrease of the Antient Love Peace and Joy in the Everlasting Light so that being enabled to sit down together under their own Vine and Fig-Tree where none shall make them afraid they will be made Partakers notwithstanding all False Prophecies and Imaginary Visions of the Joy of Gods Salvation to the Consolation of one anothers Souls in the Lord. Amen Amen saith my Soul William Rogers Dated Bristol the 3d. of the 9th Mo. 1680. Bristol the 8th of Novemb. 1680. NOtwithstanding that all this Treatise excepting the Postscript Index and Errata is already printed yet as a further Evidence of my Readiness to meet George Fox and his declining thereof I thought meet to insert this Additional Post-script A Friend from London advised me That my Proceeding to print was much discoursed of in the City of London
And that William Mead desired Nicholas Lucas that it might be intimated to me that now George Fox would give me a Meeting Which I did understand or at least suppose was urged as an Argument that I ought thereupon to forbear Printing which occasioned me immediately on receipt thereof to take care that my Mind might be communicated unto Nicholas Lucas of Hartford who thereupon as I am advised acquainted William Mead that their Desire meaning that I would give George Fox a Meeting was accepted by me provided that George Fox would give it under his Hand meaning thereby to meet me to which William Mead said he would speak to George Fox about it and afterwards the said William Mead told Nicholas Lucas he had spoke with G. F. and his Answer was He will not give it under his Hand nor write to me By which all impartial Readers may further Judge whether G. F. have any Inclination at all to give me a Meeting for the clearing of Matters laid to his Charge Nicholas Lucas I do hereby testify that which is contained in the Additional Post-script so far as relates to me and William Mead is Truth Bristol the 10th of November 1680. FOrasmuch as it hath of late been frequently discoursed amongst some of the People called Quakers That I intended to Print against Friends and not only so but such my reputed Intentions have been made use of as a Argument to render me Wicked and thereby to disaffect Simple-hearted well meaning Friends towards my self and other Friends in Truth 't is now become my further Concern to add these few Lines First Such Insinuators cannot be therein guilty of less than Injustice and Slander because it was not then known what would be printed by me Secondly They have had no ground to conjecture that my Intentions were to treat on any thing more than the Wayes and Means by which the said People once at Unity came to be divided together with some part of the Fruits of that Division and the Doctrines and Practices we stand for which if brought to Light so as that nothing but the Naked Truth might be publish't which ought to have been supposed until the contrary should have appeared the Question then needful to be answered is this Whether 't is matter of evil Fact in me to publish in Print an Historical Relation of the Truth as aforesaid and that for the clearing of my Conscience that the Sin of Disobedience may not lye at my Door The Answer in short is Nay To every impartial and unprejudiced Reader I doubt not but that the Preface to the Reader the Introduction to the First and Fourth Parts of this Treatise may give sufficient Satisfaction but lest the Ignorance and Blindness of any should be so great as not from thence to perceive the Righteousness of my present proceeding to Print or that the Partiality of any that do so should so abound as to Strengthen Evil Insinuations against me on that Account I have this to say That such as have been of Party against us concerned in the Publication hereof have been the First and frequent Promulgators by Declaration by Manuscript and by Printing That there have been Divisions amongst the aforesaid People As to a Publication thereof by Declaration I refer to what I have already written in the Preface to the Reader the Introduction to the First and Fourth Parts of this Treatise As to the Publication thereof by Manuscript I referr to the Fourth Part and in particular to the Title Page thereof to the Forty Four Articles of Accusation drawn up against John Wilkinson and John Story to the Paper subscribed by Charles Marshal and Sixty five more at Ellis Hooks his Chamber both mentioned in this Treatise to the Note in the said Paper these Words relating to John Story and John Wilkinson are viz. And we do hereby warn all to have a Care that they be not lifted up by reason of the Temptation and hurt that 's come upon these Men nor yet insult over them for that Spirit is not of God but rather let all watch in the Fear and Dread of Almighty God against that Spirit that they enter not into Temptation The aforesaid Words are cited to shew the Inconsistency of John Wilkinson and John Story their Opposers Actions with the aforesaid Advice For 't is well known that contray to the aforesaid Counsel Their Opposers have been so drunk with Prejudice and an Insulting Spirit as that the said Paper called a Narrative hath been read against them in several Counties in publick Meetings for the Worship of God from which Assemblies no Persons whatsoever though not professing the Truth are excluded This Action may reasonably be concluded to spring from the same Spirit that dictated a few Lines subscribed by George Fox whereof mention is made in the Preface directing to shew Certificates against John Story both to Enemies and Friends Paper called The Brethrens Narrative at Drawel And to an Epistle written by a publick Preacher and one of Party against such as are concerned in the Publication hereof whose Name for the Reasons mentioned in the Preface I omit directed to be read and accordingly was read in a Publick Meeting for Worship of God within the City of Bristol held in the great Meeting-House on the 21st of the 11th Month 1678. in the presence of several not accounted to be of the People called Quakers wherein mention is made of Rents Schismes Contention Difference Breach Strife Distraction Discord Quarrel late and present Division and of a Seperation in some Parts of this Nation on such wise as that in the Authors Sense 't is Evident that they are mentioned with relation to one party of Friends amongst those who have professed the Truth as rent and divided from another Party But that which on this Occasion is chiefly my Concern is to evidence that there hath been a Publication of the aforesaid Divisions in Print before the Publication hereof and that by and on the behalf of some of George Fox's Party On the 8th Instant came to my Hands two Sheets of Printed Paper Entituled An Epistle pretended to be for true Love Unity and Order in the Church of Christ against the Spirit of Discord Disorder and Confusion In the bottom of the Title Page thereof 't is thus written Printed by Andrew Sowle and are to be Sold at his Shop in Devonshire Buildings without Bishopsgate 1680. That direction for Sale is a sufficient Notification to me that 't was not Printed for a limited Service Note Besides as I am informed they are publickly exposed to Sale by other Book-Sellers in London and forasmuch as 't is well known that Ann Whitehead and Mary Elson the Subscribers thereof are such qualifyed Persons as not to Print any thing on a Religious Score without the Approbation of a Meeting held in London every Second Day usually consisting of uncertain Numbers of uncertain qualifyed Persons who therein pretend to take upon them the approbation or
viz. That 't is Folly and Hypocrisy to profess our selves Members of the True Church and yet not Believe thus as the True Church Believes Pag. 36. Sect. V. What we stand for viz. Truth and Righteousness and that Christ's Government may be exalted in every Heart under which we are Instructed not to depend on Man but on the sufficiency of Gods Grace Page 27. A Testimony against Tythes and for Meeting together in time of Persecution the neglect whereof may be the Fruit of Weakness or Disobedience Page 28. The Government of Christ and the Laws thereof are Inward some part of the Fruits brought forth under the said Government are Described Page 29. An Objection relating to the securing any part of a Mans Estate on a fore-Sight of a Premunire or Fines for Meeting Answered Page 31. Sect. VI. On the Occasion of an Objection raised touching the Sufficiciency of Gods Grace Unity is treated on from the words of Paul to the Corinthians that they should all speak one thing Page 36. Touching the Word Independency occasioned by a Publick Preacher Page 38. That leaving Friends to the Grace Light and Spirit of God is not the way to lead into Rantism Page 42 43. Sect. VII Touching Church Government and the meaning of the Word Church Government in the Sense of our Opposers as we on sufficient Ground take it layd down Page 44. Our denial of that meaning Page 46. Several Scriptures from whence a Proof for Church Government hath been pretended are treated on shewing that from thence no Pretence can be to claime a Power over Conscience or Outward Property Page 46 47. The Doctrine touching Power over Conscience and Outward Things relating to meum and tuum as R. B's Terms are which we therefore call Outward Property examined and testified against as contrary to the Principle of Truth and Liberty we have in Christ Jesus Page 47. Our Sense what ought to be done for the Decision of Controversy with Relation to Property between Brother and Brother Page 48. An Objection raised to this purpose that what is given forth by the Spirit through the Brethren ought to be obeyed and not accounted the Dictates of Fallible Men and that if thou see it not thy Duty to obey the reason is thy want of Diligence and not waiting in thy Measure and so no Plea for thy Disobedience is good Page 54. The said Objection Answered Page 54. An Examination from the Scriptures Whether Christ gave any Incouragement to his Disciples to become Rulers over one another Page 59. Sect. VIII A Manifestation that the variance hath originally Reason from a Different Sense touching George Fox the General Meeting or Womens Meeting Page 61. Sect. IX An Epistle evidencing the Qualifications of such whom Sathan makes use of to Rend and Divide the Church of Christ Page 68. A Paper given forth by Edward Burroughs Anno 1661. touching the Scattered in Israel wherein by a Parable is lively described a part of what hath happened amongst the Flock of God in these latter Days Pag. 78. The Conclusion manifesting several Passages very material and worthy Observation as a further Discovery of the Fruits and Cause of Division and in Particular what hath been the Bait whereby George Fox hath been Tempted and Ensnared Pag. 85. The FIRST PART OF THE Christian-Quaker Distinguished from the Apostate and Innovator c. SECTION I. The INTRODUCTION Wherein the Case is stated manifesting That there was an Union and the Wayes and Meanes by which it came to be broken TO all the faithfull People of God called Quakers throughout this Nation of England or else where we your Brethren do send greeting in the Lord breathing unto the God of our Lives that the same Everlasting Arm and Power whereby we have been gathered unto God and into an heavenly Fellowship and Vnion one with another in the Life of Righteousness may preserve us all to the End of our Days in the Bond of perfect Love each toward other establisht upon that sure Rock of Ages Christ Jesus against which the Gates of Hell never did can or shall prevail And in this Love our Desires are that the Faithful unto whom this Treatise is directed may communicate the same unto others as in the Wisdom and Love of God they may see a Service thereof Dear Friends and Bretheren WE are truly sensible that all those who keep their Place and Habitation in the unchangeable Truth have with us a Sence of the many Snares and Temptations whereby Satan hath endeavoured to betray the Innocent whose Faces have been Zion-ward And that his most subtil Invention hath been to appear as an Angel of Light thereby to turn those whose Hearts have been inclined to follow the Lord out of the way of Truth And now Friends that which in the Grief of our Hearts we have to signifie to you is this We are sensible that the Evil Seeds-man is crept in amongst many of those called Quakers who as we believe have in Days past walkt together in true Fellowship each with other and that in the sensible Feeling of that Immortal Life whereby we with them were knit and united together as Bone of one anothers Bone and Flesh of one anothers Flesh having the Evidence of such our heavenly Union springing from that which neither the Carnal Eye nor the Carnal Ear could be Witnesses of In order hereunto we have this following Observation to make That the day was wherein those very Persons amongst the People called Quakers who now are at great varience and out of Unity each with other were once in Unity and therefore we think necessary to lay down Viz. First Some part of those things touching which the Faithful were at VNITY Secondly By what Wayes and Means that VNITY came to be broken And so leave the Consideration thereof to the Consciences of all who profess the Truth that so in the Light of Christ Jesus they may weigh and consider Whether their Vnity stood in the unchangable Truth and which of these Parties now at variance deviated therefrom The Consideration of this Observation doth lead us in relation to the first perticular thus to testify Viz. That about Twenty Six Years past it pleased the Lord to send forth many faithful Labourers of the Gospel of Christ Jesus who in his Name Dread and Power testified that their CALL was not of MAN but of GOD and that their Message was both to the Professour and to the Prophane To the Prophane crying on this wise Turn from the Evil of your Wayes and Doings and meet the Lord by sudden Repentance of your open Transgressions To the Professours who were not in the Common Pollutions of the World on this wise Your Outward Forms your Outward Ordinances and Outward Church Fellowships they are even but as Rudiments of this World and the Lord hath no Regard thereto And to both of them Turn in your Minds to the Light of Christ Jesus that shines in your Consciences exalting the Measure
sensible of the Danger in running beyond his Gift and is so puft up with Spiritual Pride as to conclude himself more Faithful more Holy more Circumspect more Discerning than his Brother thinking of himself not only better than of his Brother but in other things above what is meet contrary to the Counsel of the Apostle who exhorted Not to think of our selves more highly than we ought may easily run himself on this Rock of Judging those whom the Lord Judgeth not especially if such an one give himself liberty to Judge from an apprehended Inward Sense grounded on no Outward Knowledge or Evidence That now which is with us farther to signify in relation to this matter is this we have great cause to doubt that this kind of Weakness or Presumption hath been and is yet like to be one meanes by which the variance amongst such as have been formerly at Unity may continue because 't is well known that when Testimonies have arisen against some persons in publick as dark seperate and dividing Spirits and that some such as have been dissatisfy'd have desired to know what is the Matter and what is the Fruit whereby it may be evidenced The Answer commonly is Let the Testimonyes of Friends arise this Word when it Springs from such who have been Instruments to beget into this Faith that we ought to shut out the Reasoning the Wisdom and Jealousy and that without distinction and that the Apostacy shall never enter the Generality more and that we ought to have an eye to the * We would not be understood that 't is not fit to have an Eye to faithful Brethren in any thing but yet we cannot but take notice that it sounds not very comely out of the mouthes of those with respect to themselves who have in publick frequently thus Testified We Preach not our selves look not unto us but unto the Lord and the measure of his Grace in your selves that 's given to you to profit withal Brethren easily raises the like Testimony that such an one is of a dark seperate Spirit and then this comes to be spread abroad as a Seal to that which cannot be evidenced either by Doctrine or Conversation as if the Tree were not now to be known by its Fruit as in daies past and so whilst they have been in the Exercise of one part of the Counsel viz. Excluding the Reason and the Wisdom by which means some have been betrayed to act contrary to all Reason and all Wisdom they have acted contrary to the other part of the counsel which was to shut out the Jealousy For had they not entertained Unrighteous Jealousy we are perswaded that they would not have testified against such as have approved themselves unto us no other then Faithful Ministers of Christ Sound in Doctrine and as Blamless in Conversation so far as ever we knew as any Friends And thus the Variance we fear is but too likely to continue Now we appeal to the Witness of God Whether this kind of proceeding be not the Fruit of a Dark Rending Spirit that seperates from the Truth But to come a little nearer to answer other parts of the Objection viz. When we have been in Meetings with them we have been Witnesses that the Life hath been raised and our soules have been refreshed and that When those whom they oppose do speake nothing but Dryness Deadness and Barrenness appears We desire every one who may thus affirm seriously to weigh and consider First Whether if contrary to thine own Principle thou hast let in Jealousy this Jealousy may not darken thee so as to take Light for Darkness and Darkness for Light and that to be True Refreshment which is no other but a rejoycing in those imaginary sparks which thou by a false fire hast kindled for when the eye is not single to God and fixt upon that Teacher that cannot be removed into a Corner but instead thereof hast an eye unto man and to things that are without weighing not the matters wherein thy mind is concerned in the equal Ballance of the Sanctuary it may be Just with the Lord to suffer thee to be overshadowed with a Vail of Darkness and to become ignorant of the Mysteries of the Kingdom of God as they who are without are lest thou see with thine eye and understand with thy heart and be converted and saved even as it was said by Christ himself concerning them who are without Mark 4.11 12. For we know that when Truth was Preach't amongst us in the beginning and the Light of Christ Jesus shining in our Consciences magnified as our only Guide the Gift of the Father and Appearance of Christ Jesus the great Ordinance and Power of God unto Salvation our souls were wonderfully reacht and affected with the sound thereof believing that the day was then come unto us wherein the Promise of the Father according to the Words of Christ was fulfilled unto us viz. But the Comforter which is the Spirit of Truth which the Father will send in my Name he shall Teach you all things and Guide you into all Truth And thus the Eyes of our Understandings came to be opened that we saw most of the Professours then in being to be but in the Gentile nature and come no further than the Outward Court which the Angel as John Testified was not to measure for was not their Preacher Outward their Rule Outward their Order Outward their Ordinances Outward and the Tokens and Marks of Membership in their Church Outward And when those Outward Things were magnified and the Preaching of the Light of Christ Jesus as the Guide to the Father degraded by our Opposers we were even ready to fear on their behalf that they were of that number who saw but did not perceive did hear but not understand Our breathing now unto the Lord is That none of those who have formerly received the Truth in the Love thereof may continue so hardened as to see and not Perceive to hear and not Understand and so in a dark and vailed Estate conclude that as * Note This Sentence viz. as Heirs of the Gospel Life Salvation take your possessions hath been of late years srequently exprest by G. F. when speaking to friends by way of encouragement to continue Mens and Womens Meetings distinct from the publick Meetings for Worship by which meanes 't is much doubted that some ignorant People have concluded that their frequenting those meetings is an evidence that they are Heirs of Life and Salvation Heirs of the Gospel Life and Salvation they are entered into an Heavenly Possession whenas the Possessions they are entered into are but some outward Observations which may more properly be accounted to relate to the Outward Court than to the New Jerusalem and Heirs of the Kingdom of God but rather that they may so perceive and understand the things of God as to bow to the appearance of Christ Jesus in themselves as the only Lawgiver
Spiritual Guide and Teacher which is infailible and cannot be removed into a Corner with confidence then may we conclude that none such will ever more boast of the possession which they have taken as Heirs of the Gospel with respect to things that are without Secondly As to this part of the aforesaid Objection viz. that nothing but Dryness Deadness and Barrenness appears in those who are opposed by such with whom thou art at Unity we say This seems not strange unto us for the Apostle thus Testifies We are unto God a sweet Savour of Christ in them that are saved and in them that perish to the one we are the Savour of Death unto Death and to the other the Savour of Life unto Life This give us occasion to put every one that has or may Judge the sound form of words to be Deadness Dryness Barrenness especially when Springing from such whom thou hast known to be in the Life upon this search is not the reason thereof because I am watching for evil and have let in a Spirit of Prejudice believing an evil Report when perhaps it may not be Truth If this be thy State we must plainly tell thee they are the very Tokens of a Perishing Condition and then though it be the Word of Life that is Preached yet it can be no other according to the Testimony of the Apostle but the Savour of Death unto thee Besides we have this further Observation to make that some at least of those thus Testified against as Dead Dry and Barren are chiefly such unto whom God hath given a Portion of Understanding above many of their Brethren and have and yet do as far as ever we know appear Sound in Doctrine and as blameless in Life and Conversation as any friends we have ever known and so cannot run with the Current of the Times we desire therefore that every one of the Opposers of or Judges over such will yet more thoroughly search their own Consciences and in a Godly Jealousy over themselves put these queries unto their own hearts and try things in the equal ballance Have not I many times heard Unsound Doctrines and beheld Disorder and Confusion brought forth even in Publick Meetings for worship by those who cry against Dark Seperate Spirits and yet not been a Reproof thereto Concluding notwithstanding that there did a Freshness and Life appear Have not I been often affected with an Outward Tone and strength of Lungs when there hath been little to the Information and Building up one another in the most Holy Faith Have not I been better Contented to hear a Thundering kind of Voice Crying out against a Seperate Spirit though without Distinction when not a word was spoken to shew the Way to the Kingdom than to hear the Way of Eternal Life Plainly Demonstrated by a soft and moderate Voice We know there is great cause for many to put these questions to their Consciences and to be cool in Spirit that so they may have an Answer from the Lord whose appearance is not in the strong winds but in the still Voice SECT IV. An Answer to the Third Position deducible from an Objection raised toward the Conclusion of the first Section viz. That 't is Folly and Hipocrisy to profess our selves Members of the True Church and yet not Believe thus as the True Church Believes TO this we say we are altogether dissatisfied especially when we consider what a Body of darkness hath entered under the Belief of this Position we must believe as the Church believes amongst the Professors of Christianity in Ages past as well as at this present Day that such Language can become the mouth or pen of any one that professeth not only Faith in Christ but also that such his Faith is grounded upon the Inward Manifestation and Revelation of Gods Spirit in himself mark we say in himself Those who are accounted Apostate Christians have from such Assemblies which they call their Church set forth their Creeds by which it may be known what the Members of their Church do and ought to Believe and since 't is so that no Person is able to make out that ever any Assembly under the Notion of the true Church amongst the People called Quakers have published their Creed by which we mean a certain number of Articles of Faith recommending them as those things which every Member of the true Church ought to believe or else not be accounted a Member of the true Church we cannot account it unreasonable if any one that liketh not the Language touching Believing as the true Church Believes should ask the Publisher thereof this Question Hast thou not spoken this with respect to the People called Quakers as those whom thou accountest the True Church And if so is it not folly to talk of believing as this Church believes when no assembly under the notion of this Church have to this day declared and published their Creed for the ends aforesaid Nay may it not further be said we know how Papists and Protestants describe their Church but at the day wherein that which occasions this present discourse was given forth it was not discovered by any reputed Quakers publickly in Print that we know of who or were the true Church is with respect to visible persons more than what is to this effect given forth by the Author occasioning this present discourse viz. That the People called Quakers are the Church Wherein we do not take his meaning to be that all called Quakers were the Church of God but the Elect amongst them for he also saith The Church signifies the Elect and so the Reader is left without any certain Description who or where this Church is with respect to visible Persons since the Elect amongst them are not outwardly described For the clearing of the Truth and the opening of the Understandings of such as may be muddled about this matter 't is with us thus to Testifie 'T is well known that it pleased the Lord to reach unto many of our Consciences at the beginning of this latter Day that hath dawned amongst us whereby we came to Believe in the Everlasting Light of the Lord and as others held forth the Visible Orders and Written Faiths of a Visible Church to be as a Lanthorn to their Paths and as a Ground of their Faith so this Light of Christ was preach't up as a Lanthorn to our Paths and as the Ground of our Faith and then as our Understandings came to be more and more opened we clearly saw that as other Churches had outward Marks and Tokens whereby a man might manifest himself to be a Member of their Church when received into Society with their Church so we who had Believed in the Light of our Lord Jesus Christ and had the Evidence in our selves that we were of the true Brotherhood and Members of Christ's Body were at a loss infallibly to manifest unto others by any Outward Marks or Tokens that we were in
a Prey obtained by Commission from God and that with a severe Command to Destroy all and therefore we readily Confess that if any amongst us have endeavoured to divert another from what he knew to be his Duty or hath in saving any part of that Substance which God Commanded to be Destroyed acted contrary to his known Duty 't is justly to be condemned and the Scriptures before-cited may in that Case be termed a proper Allusion thereto But alas this is far remote from the Cases reflected on because some Persons therein concerned have received no Command from God to the contrary nor yet have saved any thing which the Lord commanded to destroy And therefore such may justly thus say How darest thou to Judge the Friends of Truth and Servants of the Lord for that wherein they are not Judged of the Lord Besides 't is worthy Observation that if any should go beyond their proper Gift and Line of right Understanding and in that state offer up their ALL when the Lord calls not for it but instead thereof a Company of Informers and that also by Illegal Ways to devour it on their Lusts this Offering might have no more acceptance with the Lord under this Dispensation of the New Covenant than the Offering of the Blind and the Lame under the First Covenant had And indeed it may not be unnecessary farther to confide the End wherefore the Lord hath made us Stewards of Worldly Estates doubtless 't was and is that therewith we might Maintain our Families and have a due regard to the Poor the Fatherless and the Widow that are or might be Objects of Charity and therefore it may well be deemed not contrary to the Truth Lawfully to preserve the same for the Ends for which 't was given and to endeavour by all Lawful Ways and Means to prevent the Spoylers Design of possessing our Estates to consume it on their Lusts And indeed Charity obligeth us to suppose that these very Considerations occasioned G. F. to advice Mary Penington to secure Worldly Estate from the hands of such who were Supposed in a Persecuting Spirit to Thirst after it though of her self if what G. F. hath Written in relation to this matter be to be credited she had no inclination to remove her moveable goods in order to secure it And if any should question the Truth of this relating to G. F. and Mary Penington we thereto say that Sufficient Witness to Prove Mary Peningtons Confession thereof can be now Produced besides G. F. Being charged therewith did not in his Answer written deny it This our Answer may in probability occasion from some another Objection on this wise Obj. This is but a subtil Evasion of that which is the Duty of all Friends for the Testimony of faithful Friends and the Words of Christ in Answer to Peter and of Samuel to Saul will stand over the Heads of Such Dark Spirits as you are Answ This Objection containing such Language wherewith we are well acquainted from the Mouthes of our Opposers may thus in Truth be Answered That it can no more stand over our Heads than the words of some Priests urging Abrahams payment of Tythes out of spoyles he obtained in War Gen. 14.20 can stand over the Heads of Friends refusing to pay Tythes of those Lands which are their Inheritance or proper purchase and no part of Spoyles obtained in War Those who will not receive this as a full Answer to evidence the Weakness of the last Objection but tenaciously persist in asserting that the said Objection is reasonable and that from the words of Christ and Saul will undoubtedly give Just occasion to confirm the sense of our common Enemies viz. That there are amongst the People called Quakers who make of the Scriptures a meer Nose of Wax for though the Scriptures mention not any Command from God to Abraham to pay unto Melchisedeck the Tenths of his Spoiles yet doubtless he therein did according to the Mind of God even as Saul would have done had he destroyed all according to the Command of God and if what was practised by Abraham might be taken to be an incumbent Duty on Christians at this day even as our Opposers would have what Saul ought to have practised according to the command of God to be Exemplary at this day yet 't is apparent that both one and 'tother had a real relation to what was obtained in War and so no proper Presidents either to pay a Tenth part or to offer up the nine parts with the tenth of that Estate which is our Inheritance or proper Purchase This we are farther sensible may also occasion another Objection to this purpose viz. Obj. Your Discourse seemes to encourage the avoyding all Suffering and then how in this our day shall that Testimony of the Apostle be fullfilled viz. All that will live Godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer Persecution 2 Tim. 3.12 Answ To this we answer Our former discourse encourages the assembling our selves together though not to put into the Mouthes of Informers at their Wills and Pleasures and doubtless Few so Weak but do know that Sufferings of divers kinds may therefore attend so that unless we were Discouragers of Assembling together to wait upon the Lord we cannot reasonably be understood to encourage the avoyding all sufferings And though Pauls Words seem so positive and general yet the meaning of the Spirit through Paul might be more particular viz. in relation to Times Seasons and Persons wherein the Lord might suffer the Adversary to exercise some of his People for the Tryal of their Faith and Patience and not strictly meant that if a man had not suffered Persecution therefore he had not lived Godly in Christ Jesus For who dares to be so uncharitable as to conclude That none who are fallen asleep that tasteth not of Persecution in their day nor had occasion offered for the spoyling of their goods for the Gospels Sake Dyed in the Faith of Gods Elect and of the number of those who lived Godly in Christ Jesus especially since we know it hath been the practice of some who have been apt to reflect as aforesaid to use divers wayes and meanes according to the best of their Skill and Understandings to prevent the Stroke of Persecution in their day Moreover 't is Observable that Paul's Words to Felix c. Acts 26.29 I would to God that not only thou but also all that hear me this Day were both almost and altogether such as I am Except these Bonds did clearly shew that Persecution is not such an absolute Companion to a true Christian as that without it it 's not possible to live Godly in Christ Jesus because no doubt but Paul was then in that state of Godliness and so also would those on whose behalf he so spoke have been had Paul's Desires been Answered notwithstanding he Excepted the Bonds he then was in by reason of Persecution And forasmuch as we know some of our Opposers
seems to Glory in suffering their goods to be taken away and to speak in their Language account it the Fruit of a Dark Spirit to endeavour to save any though but from the thirst of Informers occasioning Persecution meerly to enrich themselves we cannot but Query Whether it be not more Christian like so to act according to ones plain Perswasion than to contend so much for offering upall yet after taken away to use divers means to get it again sometimes by Law open-faced as in the case of Appeals and sometimes by private and Secret Solicitations wherein not only Time and Breath is Spent but as is credibly reported the Purse opened too as some of our Opposers have done We shall now return and consider what in probability may be Objected touching the sufficiency of Gods Grace c. as in the next following Section SECT VI. On the occasion of an Objection raised touching the sufficiency of Gods Grace Unity is treated on from the words of Paul to the Corinths that they should all speak one thing Touching the Word Independency occasioned by a Publick Preacher That leaving Friends to the Grace Light and Spirit of God is not the way to lead into Rantism Objection T Is true may some say this Doctrine of exalting the sufficiency of Gods Grace squares with the Principle of Truth as Preach't amongst us in the Beginning and it had then and still hath an Answer in our Consciences but now several of those who have been Instruments to gather us increase in the Knowledge of the Mind of God and they now tell us that they doubt if there be no care taken to preserve an Vnity amongst the Professors of Truth Friends may be scattered and broken and run into a Seperation c. for did not Paul exhort the Corinthians that they should all speak one thing 1 Cor. 1. 10. Answ To this we answer that when Paul came to understand that the Church at Corinth were some for Paul and some for Apollo and some for Cephas and some for Christ there was great need for him on that Occasion to exhort them to speak one thing lest their Faith and Hope in the Gospel might come utterly to be destroyed did those who cry against such whom we account Faithful Friends as dark Spirits and plead so much for Unity and to speak one thing exhort those who were apt to pin their Faiths on an Apollo a Paul or a Cephas to be for Christ we should think it good Exhortation therein to speak one thing and that which would cast a great Line of Reflection on those Ignorant Zealots who of late Days have much exhorted us to have an Eye to the Brethren in which 't is evident to us their meaning is to some particular Brethren whilest others ancient and honourable are dispised by them Besides we cannot on this occasion but observe that the same Paul doth sufficiently evidence his dislike of any Plea for Unity save that of the Spirit in the Bond of Peace And though he exhorts to Unity Ephes 4.3 yet Vers 7. he saith But unto every one of us is given Grace according to the measure of the Gift of Christ which clearly evidences to our Consciences that Paul never intended to magnify any * 1 Cor. 12.7 1 Cor. 15.10 Unity amongst Brethren but that which might be the natural product of this gift of Grace or manifestation of the Spirit as given to every one according to measure to profit withal and whereby they might in the language and according to the example of the Apostle Paul say each unto other By the Grace of God I am what I am We are yet sensible that another Objection may still arise Obj. What then are you for an Independency Yes verily we are for an Independency that is to say * Some may wonder why we raise this Objection but doubtless 't will come to the view of one and not a mean one too who manifested his doubt that some of us intended an Independency not to depend on the Counsel of one man nor yet to depend on the counsel of General Quarterly or Monthly Meetings but as there is sufficiency in the Grace of God that is given unto us to profit withal so to have a Dependency on that Grace to teach didirect and instruct in all things relating to the In ward man of the heart knowing that it s against the nature of that Principle in which we have believed to have a dependency on any thing that is Outward lest it prove unto us like the Reed of Egypt and Arm of Flesh that cannot save but yet we are not against appointed Meetings for the Outward services of Truth for that hath been and is our practice knowing that there may be a service therein as occasion offers provided all in such Meetings may be kept in humility as servants each to other and the Truth not exercising Lordship over the Conscience which is Gods Prerogative nor yet exalting themselves as if thereby they were entred into that Possession which can never be taken from them Object We are now sensible that some may be ready thus to say we can scarsely believe that any man of weight and under the name of one that may be accounted by any a faithfull Quaker would give occasion for such a discourse as this occasioned on the word Independency for that many may be apt to say 't is the Language of an Hypocrite that hath outward Power to uphold it because some who are accounted seperate from it are called Independents Ans This occasions us to signifie that * Note his Name is omitted for the reason in the Preface an eminent Person writing to Friends in Wiltshire by way of Reply to an Answer they gave to the Paper from Ellis Hooks his Chamber signed by Charles Marshall and sixty five more against two ancient and honourable Friends in truth viz. John Story and John Wilkinson c. thus repeats part of the words of the Friends of Wiltshire And what if we in this County or any Friends elsewhere should say to any of you of London or other Cities or Countries as to our Publick Concerns in the managment of our Affairs * Note Though 't is recited meddle not with us yet the very following words are thus unless concerned but if the Word of the Lord be really with any of you we are ready to hear it which being left out by the replyer we appeal to the righteous Judge whether he hath not therein acted notoriously unjust since there could not have been the least Pretence for him to have written as he hath on that Subject had the whole Sentence been repeated Meddle not with us if we should so say unto you we cannot think that this is of the nature of Imposition having no Penalty annexed thereunto neither do we understand theirs to be any otherwise These words being thus repeated the Replyer proceeds and gives this Answer To this I
Answer ye are out of the Wisdom and Fellowship of the Gospel herein for where-ever Truth is concerned the Friends of Truth may be concerned by counsel advice or other aid or assistance and to talk of Cityes Places or Countries by way of Limitation is narrow weak and unsound it is a plain restrain which is of the nature of Imposition it ariseth from the same Ground and tends to the same Center and the end of this very Spirit how small soever its appearances are thought now to be is down-right Independencyes Parishes and Schismes suffer but the Universal Cord to be cut and these things must follow hereby one Place will be ignorant of the Actions of another and each be as distinct Governments and by things happening between Persons of differing Meetings a Foundation is laid for Emulation Strife and Division but where Truth only Rules and Reigns and that all Friends of Truth have Free access in it Truth and not Man nor Men rules and raignes for they that would have a Meeting rule are as far from Truth as they that would have a Man rule for it is neither Man nor Men but Truth in all that must and will preside amongst us and the Faithful are of one mind because they have but one Head Here the Reader may take notice that the Replyer who is not a mean One useth the Word Independencyes and seems to speak against Seperate and Independant Priviledges and distinct Governments and yet also imports by his words that neither Man Men nor Meetings ought to Rule but that Truth must and will preside amongst us and that the Faithful are all of one Mind because they have but one Head Hence some may be apt to enquire What may be the meaning of these his words and the End of this very Spirit is downright Independencyes Parishes and Schisms To this we Answer That we take him to mean that there are some who in his sense either are or in the end may become Schismaticks because they are not principled to depend on the Assemblies of Men though under a Form of Government but on the Sufficiency of Gods Grace which seems to be evident from this his Expressions suffer the universal Cord by which we cannot take him to mean the Power of God but some outward thing to be cut and these things must follow viz. hereby one Place will be ignorant of the Actions of another and each will plead Seperate and Independent Priviledges in fine they will be as distinct Governments and by things happening between Persons of different Meetings a foundation is laid for Emulation Strife and Division but had he not so said we have sufficient Evidence satisfying us that what we take to be his Meaning may reasonably be taken to be his very Meaning since 't is not rational to take him to mean an Independency on the Light of Christ and Sufficiency of Gods Grace because 't is used by way of Reflection on those whose great Concern at this day as we believe is to contend and plead for this undoubted Christian-Freedom and Priviledge that as under the Profession of Christianity the Sons and Daughters of Men have by the True Ministers of Christ been committed to Gods Grace so they ought to be left free to the Sufficiency of his Grace as that Teacher of Righteousness on which they ought to depend notwithstanding many False and Hireling Ministers have usually thus said We commit you to the Word of Gods Grace and yet be found Persecutors of those who giving heed to the Word of Grace could not adhere to their words He that hath an ear to hear let him hear We appeal now to Gods Witness in every impartial Reader whether the Replyers Language in his afore-cited Reply favours of the Truth and in the mean while shall leave this our Testimony on record that Truth may appear amongst a Few Countrey Friends in a small Village and that they from the Appearance thereof may act by way of Counsel Exhortation Aid or Assistance charging troublesom turbulent Disquieters of Gods People not to meddle with them unless concerned and yet may not Justly be reflected on as such as would cut the Vniversal Cord which is the Power of God and cannot be cut whereby we were gathered nor yet that the end of their Spirits are Independencies Parishes Schismes and that they are Pleaders for such Seperate Independent Priviledges as have not a dependency on Gods leading Grace Oh Friends away with all such discourse that tells you in one Line that no Man Men nor Meetings but Truth must Rule and Preside and yet reflect on others as claiming and pleading for Seperate Priviledges and distinct Governments when in Reallity they plead for nothing but to be left according as the antient Labourers who were Instruments in Gods hand to gather us did leave us commit us and commend us to the Grace of God and the Teachings thereof as manifest in every ones Inward Parts making no mentition of having their Dependencies on General Quarterly Monthly or any other Meetings of Men whatsoever and therefore we cannot but give forth this as a warning to all to take heed that ye be not deceived by the cunning Sleights and Devices of Man to leave your Teacher that cannot be removed into a Corner and instead thereof be found depending on the Dicttates and Prescriptions of fallible Man He that hath an ear to hear let him hear But to come yet more close to the matter in hand we cannot but further declare that though the Replier thus hath said To talk of Cityes Places or Countryes by way of limitation is narrow weak and unsound it is a plain restraint it is of the nature of Imposition yet we must take Liberty to tell him that we are not so void of sense but to perceive that the General Meeting is that unto which in the sense of some all Friends ought to have an Eye above any other Meeting of Friends whatsoever and that the meaning of this Exhortation frequently uttered viz. Have any Eye to the Brethren is chiefly mean't with respect to that Meeting this we take to be both Limitation and a Design of Imposition And whereas the Replier hath said Hereby one Place will be ignorant of the Actions of another as if that were matter of ill consequence we think meet to add that we do know those who have busied themselves first to bring the Actions at one Place unto another have occasioned Emulation Strife and Division amongst Friends at Unity So that instead of approving themselves Keepers of other Mens Vineyards they have been Destroyers both of other mens and their own Vineyards too as by sad Examples is too too evidently manifested in the Countries and Places where we Live or have been Conversant If report be True it hath been Jealoused by some who cry much against some others under the term of Dark Spirits though Honest Friends That this kind of arguing to leave Friends to the Grace Light
understood the most pertinent Arguments might be produced to prove Church-Government or a Government in some Member or Members over the rest Mat. 18.15 16 17. We find Christ thus saying Moreover if thy Brother shall trespass against thee go tell him his Fault if he will not hear thee take with thee one or two and if he shall neglect to hear them tell it to the Church but if he neglect to hear the Church let him be unto thee as an heathen man Verily I say unto you whatsoever ye shall bind in Earth shall be bound in Heaven Comparing this Scripture touching the Trespass of one Brother against another with what Paul Writes 1 Cor. 2.4 Dare any of you having a matter against another go to Law before the unjust do ye not know that the Saints shall Judge the World if then ye have Judgment of things pertaining to this Life set them to Judge who are least esteemed in the Church we reasonably conclude that the words of Christ and of the Apostle only hinted at either Personal Offences or Differences touching Worldly Matters and that therein the Duty of the Church was only to exhort to submit to their Counsel which If they did not they might Justly be esteemed as Heathen Men but this is nothing to the purpose of those who have approved a Plea for such a Church-Government as Claimes a Power of Deciding Matters relating to Conscience and outward things also on the occasion of Differences raised touching Worldly Estate and that others ought to obey such Decisions which in its natural Consequence hath as we take it no Less Tendency than to claim Power over our Properties as well as Consciences We are now sensible that many Friends who have not been acquainted with the secret Cause of all the Differences amongst Friends will be even startled at this and be ready to query Are there any such amongst the People called Quakers We Answer Yes Verily and that those who may be accounted Christians too viz. those who approved in the Second Dayes Meeting at London the before-cited Book of R. B. relating to Government in the Church We shall begin first with the Matter of Conscience the Title of the sixth Section thereof runs thus How far this Government doth extend in matters Spiritual and purely Conscientious and then treating thereon the Author thus saith in which the great Question is How far in such Cases the Church may give Positive Orders or Rules and so proceeds to ask this question viz. Whether the Church of Christ have Power in any Cases that are Matters of Conscience to give a Positive sentence or Decision which may be Obligatory upon Believers and then goes on thus answering viz. I answer affirmatively She hath which being compared with what he writes Page 68. of his said Book on this wise viz. that their De facto giving a Positive Sentence in such Cases will not import Tyranny and Usurpation neither will the pretences of any contradicting them or refusing to submit on the account they see it not excuse them of being guilty of Disobeying God clearly shewes to us his meaning to be That in some Cases the Consciences of Believers ought to be bound by the Positive Sentence of Others without leaving any Liberty for a Believer to refuse to submit on account of not seeing it his Duty to submit This Meaning and Government over the Consciences of Believers we take to be contrary to the Principle of Truth and Liberty we have in Christ Jesus for that no Outward Sentence or Matter whatsoever can obliege the Conscience to be approving this or that Exercise or Practice or to be in the Belief of this or that Judgment Sentence or Decree until such time that the Conscience thorough the inshining of Christ's Light therein comes to be satisfied and thereby to be bound and obleiged and though we find the Author to the Hebrewes Chap. 13. Vers 7. saying on this wise Remember them which have the Rule over you yet he doth not say Such who had the Rule were the Church but discribes them in the next following words to be such who had Spoken unto them the Word of God so that if any Authority be given to any to Rule as Members of Christ's Body it appears from the Scriptures of Truth to be unto such who had Spoken the Word of God unto them over whom they had the Rule and therefore can be no President or Proof that mixt and uncertain Assemblies as to Number and Qualification may call themselvs the Church and under that Notion give forth Orders Rules and Sentences telling the rest of those whom they may account their Fellow-Members 'T is your Duty to Obey though you pretend YOU SEE IT NOT. Besides it doth not appear that those who spoke the Word of God did give forth any Sentence by vertue of their Authority that might become a Bond on the Conscience before Conviction by the Grace of God and Why Because it is by that Grace that the heart comes to be Established according as the Author to the Hebrews writes Vers 9. of the same Chapter For 't is a good thing that the Heart be established with Grace But Perhaps some may quote Paul 2 Thes 3.6 Who thus saith Now we Command you Brethren in the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ that you with-draw your selves from every Brother that walketh disorderly and not after the Tradition which he received of us To this we say Paul in the following Verse gives the Reaon for the Urging Obedience to his Precept viz. For ye your selves know how ye ought to follow us hence we may conclude that their Hearts were so established in the Grace of God as that the Knowledge of their Duty became a greater Obligation upon them then Paul's Command Verse the 14th of the same Chap. Paul saith If any Man obey not our Word by this Epistle note that Man and have no Company with him that he may be ashamed This may some say seems very positive to imply that God hath given Authority to some to Rule in the Church Our Answer to this is Paul's words related to such of whom Vers 11 12 13. of the same Chapter he saith We heard that there were some amongst you that walked Inordinately and work not at all but are Busy-Bodyes therefore them that are such we Command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ that they work with quietness and eat their own bread and ye Brethren be not weary in well-doing and then he exhorts Vers 14th If any man obey not our Word by this Epistle note that Man and have no company with him This clearly shewes what the Apostle had relation unto viz. to that necessary and commandable Duty mentioned in Vers the 11th that such who were Busie-Bodies walking inordinately might not in their busie inordinate Spirit eat the Bread of others but work that they might eat their own Bread were this Command of the Apostle obeyed by many of those who run
to Add. If Paul lookt on himself as one having Power to command to rule and govern over the Church of Christ and that 't was their Duty to Obey him whether they saw it so or no what 's the meaning that the same Paul testifies for himself and other his Brethren 2 Cor. 4.2 That they had not handled the Word of God deceitfully but by Manifestation of the Truth commending themselves to every Mans Conscience in the Sight of God comparing this with what Paul writes in the same Epistle 2 Cor. 10.15 Having Hope when your Faith is increased that we shall be enlarged by you according to our Rule abundantly it appears evidently to us that preaching up Obedience to that wherein the Conscience through Faith is not satisfied is a handling the Word of God deceitfully and therefore though we have been Informed that we are dark and blind even by such who tell us they do see publickly Preaching on this wise If you do not see your selves you must then follow us that do see yet we cannot on that foot embrace such Doctrine lest like blind men we fall all together into the Ditch and embrace that for the light of the Sun which is no other than the dark Body of the MOON We are now sensible another Objection may thus arise Object The Spirit of God which is but one in all hath moved in our Brethren to give forth certain Orders Commands and Prescriptions and therefore we ought accordingly to Obey and this cannot be called the Dictates of Fallible Man but of the Spirit given forth through Man and wast thou that pretendest thou seest it not thy Duty to Obey but Obedient to thy own Measure thou wouldest then see it so and be one with the Brethren and therefore we cannot but tell thee 't is thy Duty to Obey since the Reason thou seest it not thy Duty is thy want of Diligence and not waiting on thy own Measure besides we find that that very Person who hath travelled much for the settling of Mens Meetings hath lately given forth a Paper the import whereof is to Justifie Prescriptions Answ To this we say That if the Spirit of God moves in any Member of the Body of Christ to give forth certain Orders and Prescriptions with respect to the rest of the Members as that which though relating to their Consciences they ought to perform and practise whether they see it their Duty or no or whether they are free so to do or no then no doubt but they ought so to act and do because the Spirit of Truth hath so moved but this is to suppose that which under the Dispensation of the Second Covenant we have not the least ground from the Scriptures of Truth or Light of Christ to suppose For if the Blind was not to be accepted of for a sacrifice under the First Covenant much less can it be acceptable under the Second And therefore we do not believe that we ought to expect that any such motion from the Spirit of God should appear through any one or more Members of the Body of Christ with respect to other Members of the same Body and our Faith is that all those who are Heirs of that Kingdom which is everlasting are entituled to a like Freedom not to be Imposed upon each by other contrary to the Divine sense and Heavenly Understanding which as Co-heires and Co-workers together they are made Partakers of And this in the ensuing discourse will evincingly be manifested from the Scriptures of Truth however we must confess he that is not diligent to wait upon God in the Exercise of his own Measure of Grace received is by the Light of Christ condemnable not for refusing to perform that which he sees not to be his Duty with respect to other mens Lines made ready to his hand wherein he is not satisfied but for his neglecting to wait upon God because 't is manifest in every one that hath been convinced of the Truth that 't is our Duty to wait upon God And this our sense and reason answers to the Testimony of the Scriptures of Truth where 't is said Rom. 1.18 19. The Wrath of God is revealed from Heaven against all Ungodlyness and Unrighteousness of Men who hold the Truth in Unrighteousness because that which may be known of God is manifest in them for God hath shewed it unto them So 't is clear to us from the Scriptures of Truth without us as well as from the Light of Christ within us that the Wrath and Condemnation of God goes forth against such as Live not Answerable to what God hath manifested in them but 't is neither agreeable to the Scriptures of Truth or Light within for any to poure forth Judgments against any for not following or giving heed unto this or 'tother Prescription or Outward Observation wherein the Conscience is concerned when such are not convinced thereof to be their Duty from the manifestation of Gods Spirit in them The next thing to be considered is this that in all the last mentioned Objection there is no Plea for Obedience unto or following any thing but the Spirit in its Appearance whether through the Brethren or thy self From whence we observe First That there is no certain Description who are meant by the word Brethren Secondly That 't is the Appearance of the Spirit that we ought to follow Now should this Question be ask't of such who may so Object as aforesaid Would you have us follow we know not what we are ready to Believe that they would say Nay if they answered any thing to the Question and if so then the Force of the Objection falls for that we account it our Duty to follow the Appearance of the Spirit of God through the meanest Member when our Consciences are convinced that 't is the Appearance of that Spirit But before we cannot say in Truth though we should do as such an one would have us that we are Followers of and led by the Spirit of God no more than Jesus can in Truth be called Lord * 1 Cor. 12.13 and not by the Holy Ghost Besides we cannot on this occasion but testifie that as that Obedience which is of Faith in Christ finds Acceptance with the Lord * Rom. 14.23 so that Obedience which is not of Faith being Sin is but a dead Performance and not the Fruit of a living Member who through the Obedience of Faith unto Righteousness is made alive unto God And therefore it cannot be the Duty of any Member of Christ's Body to run before his Inward Guide but to wait upon the Lord that all his Actions may be regulated according to the Manifestation and Revelation of the Spirit of God in himself which seems clearly agreeable to the Testimony of the Apostle where he thus saith Phil. 3.15 16. If in any thing ye be otherwise minded God shall reveal even this unto you nevertheless whereunto we have already attained let us walk
all Men were to praise him or to speak of his Wonders for they were altogether past finding out then I wept greatly and desired only that he would permit me to sit at his Feet and he swore unto me by himself That he would deliver me from all my Troubles within without and truly it was his own free Promise for I durst not ask it of him but was contented to have waited still in my Sorrowfull Condition all the Days of my Life that I had to spend amongst Men. But what shall I say I am contented with his Will and rest at his Feet Friends I am constrained by the Spirit of Endless Love to warn you all that you may forbear Judging of any Man any more upon any Pretence whatsoever but commit all Judgement to the Son for he cryeth in me that he will shortly appear with righteous Judgment upon the Earth and Wo was upon him that hath took upon him to sit upon my seat of Judgment and hath not Judged Righteously for the same Measure that he meeteth shall be met to him again for whosoever I find upon my seat of Judgment when I come if he be not as I am Holy Just and Mercifull without any mixture him will I destroy with the Breath of my Mouth for he is as unclean Smoak before me Therefore Dear Friends let all Unrighteousness be far from you for thus saith the Voice in me Whosoever I find in Envy the same Envy shall be his Torment and whosoever in Covetousness or in Pride or any unclean Mind that same shall be their Cloathing and they shall stand behind me and all that is with me having no other Garment but their own Filthyness For the Envious shall have their Envy for their Reward and the Covetous shall have his Covetousness and whatsoever his work shall be here that shall be his covering when I appear Therefore all People mind your own Souls and let nothing but what is like the same Holiness Righteousness Mercy and Love without respect of Persons in any-wise appear and let Covetousness be far from you and be you as he was in this World that you may be like him in his Glory for verily you cannot be like him in his Glory further than you are in his Nature of Holiness Therefore all Friends look into your Hearts and let no spark abide there of the old nature for if there be it will drive you to look out at others and in that time 't will gather Strength and kindle a great Fire in you which is not easily put out which many at this day may know Edward Burroughs Though many things are very worthy notice from the above-cited lines given forth through the Servant of the Lord Edward Burroughs and obvious enough to many yet for the sakes of some 't is thought meet to take notice of two particular Matters which seem very pertinent on this Occasion First That some of the young unlearned Dogs not well acquainted with the Masters Manner in gathering the Sheep did run from the Flock with fierceness after the Sheep that staid behind and did affrighten them and bite some of them neither would they be led nor yet stay at home but would always be going abroad and barking at the Lambs to affrighten them being ready to devour them for there was something of the Nature of the Wolf in them and them the Shepherd bound up in Chains to fulfil his purpose on them Secondly That some of the Dogs well acquainted with the Masters Manner did wisely goe behind the Sheep and such did drive them gently along without hunting of them or wearying themselves From these two Citations out of the aforesaid Paper we may learn that the Spirit of the Lord thorough his Servant hath in a Parable very lively described a part of what hath happened amongst the Flock of God in these latter Days for of certain knowledge we can say that there are such as are learned in the School of Christ who being well acquainted with Christ Jesus their Lord and Masters Manner of gathering the Sheep do not over-drive the Flock nor yet weary themselves for meer Vanity and there are also the Unlearned who are not acquainted with the great Masters Manner in gathering the Sheep and these in a great Measure have occasioned the Encrease and Continuation of Division amongst the People called Quakers by their fierce contending for an outward Unity and Conformity with respect to Forms of Government in the Church so that they seem not only ready to bite but also to devour others that see not clearness in themselves to practise according as they in their hunting Spirit would as much as in them lies constrain and inforce Nay there are some not only unacquainted with Christ Jesus's Manner of gathering the Flock like a Shepherd that gathers his Lambs in his Armes and gently leadeth them that are with Young but also have laid blame on such as have exactly Walked in his Footsteps And indeed so Foolish and Confident have some been that the masters manner of gathering the Flock hath become as a By-Word or a Mock and not only so but Matter of Evil Fact in the sense of some Witness the Forty Four Articles Relating to Church-Government drawn up against J. S. and J. W. two Ancient and Honourable Friends in the Truth a part whereof is for that they should say THEY WOULD NOT HAVE FRIENDS OVER-DRIVEN To Conclude We also know that some of these have been by the Spirit of Truth Reproved as not fit to say they speak in the Name of the Lord When the Lord hath not spoken by them nor yet to appear as if they were sent of God to gather the Flock or to Proclaim themselves Keepers of other Folks Vineyards when they have not kept their own Vineyard by which it appears that the will of the Lord touching such hath been that they should Hearken unto the Word of Reproof and be led by his Spirit which if they had they would have stay'd at home until they had been Instructed and Learn'd in the School of Christ but yet notwithstanding some have contrary hereunto gone abroad and their great Work hath been to cry out against Honest Friends under the notion of Dark Spirits levened Spirits Troublers of Israel Corah's Judases c. just like unto those Young Unlearned Dogs signified in the Parable that would not be led but would be going abroad and Barking at the Lambs to affrighten them being ready to devour them for as in the Parable 't is said there hath been something of the Nature of the Wolf in them But Blessed be the Lord many are Witnesses that of late some of them have been as in Chains and Fetters of Iron so that they are not able to Prey upon those who are upon the Rock Christ who doubtless in his own time will fulfil his Purpose on them Oh! that all Concern'd herein at this Day would seriously Consider Proceed no farther in
and have so much memory as from the mouths of others to use the words of that wise Apostle Paul when he said 1 Cor. 3.19 The Wisdom of this World is Foolishness with God as if thereby they had brought some Excellent Proof to Justifie all those Rude Actions and Impertinent Expressions which as the fruit of their Ignorance and Folly in a boisterous unruly Spirit they have brought up Were such but sober girding up the Loyns of their Minds they would undoubtedly come to see that such their Words and Actions are but the Fruits of that Ignorance that lusteth to Envy which is to be silenced and doubtless of this sort were these whom the Apostle Peter hinted at 1 Pet. 13 14. when he said Wherefore gird up the Loins of your Minds be sober as obedient Children not fashioning your selves according to your former Lusts in your ignorance But if such had less folly and confidence and were but as ready to ask Wisdom of God according to the Counsel of the Apostle James as they are to condemn that Gift of Wisdom and Understanding which God hath given unto others Jam. 1.5 they would not be ready to run at the Beck Nod or Call of such as in a boasting imperious Spirit glory exalting them as Judges over God's faithful Servants and that have brought forth * See the 5th Part of the Christian-Quaker Lyes in a bitter envious Spirit which things being earthly sensual and devilish are the very marks of that Wisdom that descendeth not from above As a farther illustration of what is aimed at in this discourse we now come to signifie that some have a far greater portion of Wisdom Knowledge and Vnderstanding than others and that it 's given them of God as they are Creatures distinct from what they are when acted by a good Spirit or a bad and in this respect is Man as a Creature the most excellent Creature that God hath made But yet such is the Ignorance of this Age as to accompt this Portion of Wisdom Knowledge or Vnderstanding as we are creatures to be that Wisdom which the Apostle termed Earthly Sensual and Devilish or the Wisdom of this World or the Wisdom of the VVise 1 Cor. 1.19 which the Lord by the Apostle Paul hath said he will destroy But herein such do manifest themselves not knowing whereof they affirm for that Wisdom Knowledge or Understanding which we have as Creatures is the proper Gift of God and a part of his own Creation and is honourable in its place and it is against the nature of the Divine Being to destroy this Wisdom because it is his own Gift even as it is against his Nature to destroy the Lives of Men which is his Creation Luke 7.5 for the Evangelist saith The Son of man came not to destroy mens lives Obj. What then did the Apostle hint at when he spoke of the VVisdom of the VVorld the VVisdom of the VVise and the VVisdom of VVords To this it may be said Act. 22.3 That as Paul was brought up at the Feet of Gamaliel and taught according to the perfect manner of the Law of the Fathers so doubtless many there were who through Education attained unto that which Paul in his converted state terms to be the VVisdom of this VVorld c. From whence it may be concluded that he hinted at those things which in that day were given forth by the Scribes and Pharisees and other Disputers against that divine Appearance whereby Paul was made a Minister of the Everlasting Gospel which things so given forth we do not take to be the natural Effects of that Wisdom Knowledge or Understanding given unto them as creatures but rather being in the state of Degeneration as the Fruits of their Education and Acquired Parts wherewith being not subject unto the Appearance of Christ they then became Opposers of the Truth Besides as the word Flesh in Scripture is sometimes used not with relation to a Carnal Body but in a Metaphorical and Mystical sense by way of opposition to the Spirit of God so are these words fleshly wisdom used not with respect to man as a creature but by way of opposition to the Wisdom of God that 's from above and therefore is another thing than that which man is endued withal as he is a part of God's Creation To conclude Solomon in his day magnified Wisdom at a high rate as the Scripture testifies too large here to be inserted who in his day did undoubtedly account it the sign of a just man Pro. 10.30 and therefore said The mouth of the Just bringeth forth Wisdom The Apostle in his day did magnifie Wisdom exhorting the Saints to walk in Wisdom Col. 4.5 Christ the Son of God testified Mat. 11.19 VVisdom is justified of her Children These things considered our desires are that those who have true Wisdom may prize it that those who lack it may imbrace the Counsel of the Apostle James Jam. 1.5 and ask it of God who giveth liberally and that those Fools who despise Wisdom may come to have a sense of what Solomon spoke when he thus said How long ye simple ones will ye love simplicity and fools hate knowledge turn ye at my Reproof Sure we are the Apostle's Writings encourages none to cry down Wisdom at the rate 't is of late without distinction exclaimed against by some but rather the contrary for we find the Apostle Paul writing to the Colossians thus to say Col. 1.9 28. VVe do not cease to pray for you and to desire that you might be filled with the Knowledge of his VVill in all VVisdom and spiritual Vnderstanding and again thus VVhom we preach warning every man and teaching every man in all VVisdom that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus But this ignorance we doubt hath happened unto many not only from a Principle of having their Eyes out unto man 2 Tim. 3.15 but also from a neglect to read the Scriptures of Truth given forth by inspiration which the Apostle saith are able to make thee VVise unto Salvation through Faith which is in Christ Jesus As to the word Knowledge this may be added That in the want thereof in days past those who are escaped of the Nations set up their Graven-images according as Isaiah the Prophet testified They have no knowledge Isa 45.20 that set up the Wood of their Graven Images and pray unto a God that cannot save Oh! that at this day there were no cause to take up a Lamentation that the want of Knowledge is the cause that many have appeared ready to exalt man to have an eye to men and in neglect of that heavenly Gift which is given unto Mankind to bow in their Hearts unto Men as having a dependency on the Dictates Prescriptions Orders and Outward Rules of Man this under the Dispensation of the Gospel of Christ we take to be as great a falling
away from the Truth as the setting up of a graven image through the want of Knowledge was under the Law and that at this day the words of the Prophet are again fulfilling Hos 4.6 My People are destroyed for lack of Knowledge because thou hast rejected Knowledge I will also reject thee 'T is now needful to signifie the occasion on which the Apostle Paul saith that Knowledge puffeth up 1 Cor. 8.1 Now as touching things offered unto Idols we know that we have all Knowledge Knowledge puffeth up but Charity edifieth And further in the same chap. ver 10 11. If any man see thee which hast Knowledge sit at meat in the Idols Temple shall not the Conscience of him which is weak be emboldned to eat those things which are offered unto Idols and through thy knowledge shall the weak Brother perish In this Chapter the Apostle Paul was a Reproof to such as abounding in Knowledge and clearly seeing that to put a difference between Meat offered unto Idols and that which was not was but the fruit of weakness had not a regard unto the weak Consciences of their Brethren and so he tells such Knowledge puffeth up but Charity edifieth From whence we cannot conclude that Paul meant strictly according as his words may be construed no more than he intended by his saying Let your Women keep silence in the Church that none of them though Members of the Church should prophesie when moved of God whenas in a few verses before he tells the Church which consisted of Women as well as Men They might all prophesie one by one and the reason seems evident because the Knowledge which the Apostle seems to hint at was a Knowledge sprung from a growth in the Truth that the weak had not attained unto which may be taken to be signified in these words of the said Chapter VVe know that we all have knowledge howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge for some with Conscience of the Idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an Idol and their conscience being weak is defiled All which being considered the Mind of the Apostle writing those words viz. Knowledge puffeth up but Charity edifieth may be taken to be this that though they had Knowledge yet they should not have their Eye so much to that as to exercise their Liberty to the offence of any that were weak lest the Enemy to true Knowledge should interpose and puff them up so as not to condescend through Charity for the sake of a weak Brother 'T is the work of the Enemy of man's Soul to puff up but the Word of Knowledge is one of the Gifts 1 Cor. 12.7 8. which through the manifestation of the Spirit are given unto every man to profit withal and therefore I conclude that the Apostle writing unto the Philippians thus exprest himself Phil. 1.9 10. I pray that your love may abound yet more and more in Knowledge and in all Judgment that ye may approve things that are excellent that ye may be sincere and without offence From whence it may reasonably be concluded that the contrary Fruits viz. things that are contemptible and vile insincere and offensive spring through the Want of that Love which abounds in Knowledge Obj. By this discourse you seem to exalt Knowledge as an excellent thing * See an Epistle evidencing the Qualifications of such whom Satan makes use of to rend and divide the Church of Christ being contained in the first Part of the Christian-Quaker How comes it then to pass that divers amongst you called Quakers have preached reflectingly on such as are indued with knowledge above many of their Brethren as if their Religion were in their Heads and not in their hearts telling us That the Tree of Knowledge was not good for Food and not only so but have appeared in such an invective Spirit against Reason also without distinction that in your publick Meeting this imperative Expression hath been uttered Away with all Reasoning Ans 'T is very true However that doth not prove that all such Expressions are according to the Truth Peoples tongues are their own and we cannot use Violence to prevent any from delivering that which they may pretend they have to say and therefore for the clearing of the Truth in relation to the aforesaid objection we further add Pure Religion and undefiled is to visit the Fatherless and the Widows and to keep unspotted of the World wherein if our heads be not exercised our hearts will not bring forth the Fruit thereof As to to the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil though the Scriptures do not positively declare whether it was good for Food or no as in itself yet it doth clearly import that Adam's Sin in eating of the Tree of Knowledge was the Sin of Rebellion for that he was commanded not to eat thereof A Father may command his Child not to eat an Apple and yet give him leave to eat of other food fitter at that season for him if the Child should therein disobey his Father his rebellious eating would be no Argument to prove the Apple in itself not good for food These things being considered it may reasonably be concluded that there is no Ground to assert that the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was not good for Food as in itself Besides it hath been much observed that when the aforesaid doctrine hath been by some declared it hath been by way of Reflection on the Wisdom and Knowledge which some of the Publishers thereof account sensual and devilish though others have not thereby so intended but therein they have manifested their own Weakness because that which is a Discoverer of Good and Evil being in it self good as the Tree of Knowledge is cannot be a proper Comparison or Allusion to represent the thing that is devilish John the Evangelist testifies This is life eternal that they might know thee the only true God John 17.3 and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent And yet many of those who cry up Life are apt to cry down Knowledge without distinction though 't is evident that Knowledge is the way to life These things being duly considered we know not on what foot of Truth any one can assert that the Tree of Knowledge is not good for food as in itself and that it can be a proper similitude to represent any thing that is in opposition to that Knowledge which is from above But yet I would not be understood to reflect on all that have used that expression viz. The Tree of Knowledge is not good for Food because I question not but many have so exprest themselves not thereby to represent that Wisdom which is accounted Sensual and Devilish but rather to shew forth that if we should feed upon or admire any excellent Qualification or Endowment whatsoever and not have the Eye of our Mind chiefly unto the Giver we might then come to a loss even as
and varieties of Charters by which a pretended Claim hath been made thereto would fill a large Volumn and is not much to the purpose on this Occasion that therefore is passed over and the inquisitive Reader referred to Selden's History on that Subject and the statutes made on behalf of Tythes in the Reigns of Henry 8 Edward 6 Queen Elizabeth c. and so proceed to manifest whether there be any just Pretence from the Scriptures of Truth to claim Tythes under a Gospel-Dispensation as a proper Maintenance for a Gospel-Ministry by vertue of any humane institution The most pertinent part of Scripture that at present we remember to prove a maintenance for a Gospel-Ministry is what Paul writes 1. Cor. 9 from verse 3. to verse 16. on which this observation may be made That Paul pretended not to have any Power to claim carnal things by any Humane Institution neither is there any one word intimating that he had either Power or Liberty to make use of Carnal things unless from those unto whom he had sown Spiritual moreover 't is evident that Paul was so far from using that Gospel-Power which he had that he accounted it a Reward unto him that when he preached the Gospel he might make the Gospel of Christ without Charge Obj. But what if it please the supreme Powers to bestow on the National Ministry Tythes how prove you from the Scriptures that those who freely pay it do ill or that 't is not lawful for them to receive it from such and sue for it by the law from others who are not free to pay it Ans We are so far from condemning all those who freely pay them and not as by constraint that we look upon it to be the duty of all professing Christianity to contribute toward the outward maintainance of such whom they usually hear and account to be the true Ministers of Christ though not obliged thereto by Law in case they have need and if the Charity of any should be such as to bestow upon them one fifth part instead of a tenth far be it from us to condemn it but the Testimony of Truth is against all those who under pretence of being Gospel-Ministers have received carnal things from any who give them not freely but by vertue of humane institution And as to the other part of the Objection viz. to prove it lawful to sue for Tythes when given by Law to a Gospel-Ministry it is time enough so to do when any one shall undertake to prove that 't is agreeable to the Law of God to make outward Laws to enforce a Contribution in any form or method whatsoever for Maintainance of a Gospel-Ministry Hitherto we have not understood that any Pen hath undertaken such a Proof and therefore no necessity to enlarge for disproof of that which is neither proved or pretended to be proveable as we know However lest any should think this premise a kind of a Shift we shall add thus much that as the work of the Ministry of the Gospel of Christ is a Spiritual Work so a temporal Constitution is unsuitable for the Maintainance thereof 1 Cor. 9.14 Paul testified The Lord ordained that they which preached the Gospel should live of the Gospel We now desire the impartial Reader seriously to weigh and consider whether since God hath ordained that those who preach the Gospel should live of the Gospel it can be justifiable in a Minister of the Gospel instead of cleaving to what God hath ordained to cleave to a humane Law thereby to sue for Tythes from those who are so far from being Partakers of that Gospel pretended to be ministred as that they disown the same To every enlightned eye it cannot but be plain that a Maintainance so obtained is not a living of the Gospel because as the ministry of the Gospel is freely received so 't is freely given and he that is exercised therein reapeth no man's carual things unless they be freely offered CAAP. IX Touching Baptism T Is evident from the Scriptures of Truth Mat. 1.12 that the Baptism of water was the Ministration of John who was sent a Messenger to prepare the way of Christ before him and that though he was sent to baptise with Water unto Repentance yet he thus testified in relation to Christ Mat. 3.11 He that cometh after me is mightier than I whose Shoes I am not worthy to bear he shall baptise you with the holy Ghost and with Fire Now forasmuch as Christ himself was baptised by John and after his Resurrection exhorted his Disciples on this wise Go ye therefore and teach all Nations Mat. 28.19 baptising them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy Ghost Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you and lo I am with you unto the End of the World It is concluded by many that the Baptism of VVater ought also to continue unto the End of the VVorld as a Gospel Ordinance to be administred by those who are called into the Work of the Ministry of the Gospel of Christ Ans 1st It doth not appear from the recited Scripture that the Disciples were hereby commissionated to Baptise with Water and though it may be urged that the Practice of * Act. 8.38 Act. 10.47 Philip to the Eunuch and the words of Peter shewed that Christ intended the Baptism of VVater and that that Baptism was to be administred by Gospel Ministers for ever yet that 's no more an infallible Proof thereof 1 Cor. 1.17 than Paul saying He was not sent to Baptise is a proof that he was either no Aposide or that Christ gave no such Commission Go teach all Nations baptising them c. because if every one that was sent to teach was also sent to baptise then Paul could not in truth have said I was not sent to baptise if in reality he was commissioned to teach and preach which none under Christian-profession as we know of at this day questions Moreover we put this query to every enlightned impartial Reader Whether there be not cause to doubt that the very Disciples themselves might not be as remote from having a true Savour of the Meaning of Christ in these words baptising them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy Ghost as some of Christ's Disciples Joh. 6.53 were in these his words Except ye eat the Flesh of the Son of man and drink his Blood ye have no life in you For Christ's meaning thereby was not that the flesh did profit Joh. 6.61 as is plain by these his words It is the Spirit that quickneth the Flesh profiteth nothing the Words that I speak unto you they are spirit and they are Life Yet for want of true discerning what Christ meant by eating of his Flesh until he explained himself many of his Disciples said This is an hard saying who can hear it Read John 6. from verse 47. to
'T is thus said And upon the first day of the week when the Disciples came together to break Bread Paul preached unto them ready to depart on the morrow and continued his speech until midnight and in the following verses 't is signified that when Paul came up again from taking up a young man who as Paul was long preaching sunk down with sleep and fell down from the third loft and was taken up dead and had broken bread and eaten and talked a long time even until break of day he departed On this Scripture it may be observed that no mention is made that the aforesaid Breaking of Bread was done in pursuance of any Institution made by Christ at his Last Supper nor yet that the end thereof was that they might be on that occasion in a more solemn Commemoration of the Death of Christ than at other times wherein they might refresh their outward man with Carnal food and therefore though I cannot but have so much Charity for the Disciples of Christ as to believe that when they did so eat as aforesaid they were in the remembrance of the Benefits through Christ's Death as every true Christian ought to be and more especially whilst participating of his Mercies yet the Scriptures already named seem no rational Proof of any such solemn Institution made by Christ which many under the Profession of Christianity pretend to have practised 1 Cor. 10.16 The cup of blessing which we bless is it not the communion of the blood of Christ The bread which we break is it not the Communion of the Body of Christ Considering the mind of the spirit through the Apostle in the very same Epistle we appeal unto such who are knowing in the Mysteries of God's Kingdom whether 't is not unreasonable to take the Meaning of the Spirit to be that this had a Tendency to Encourage Outward Meetings wherein Outward Bread ought to be broken and communicated as a Sign of being Partakers of Christ's Body or to prove any solemn Institution made by Christ more than what may as well be alledged from the words of John to be then instituted by Christ when he said John 6.51 56. I am the living Bread which cometh down from heaven if any man eat of this bread he shall live for ever he that eateth my Flesh and drinketh my Blood dwelleth in me and I in him For we find the Apostle Paul in the very next verse thus signifying For we being many are one Bread and one Body for we are Partakers of that one Bread This one bread whereof the Apostle speaks is not outward Bread but Christ and his Church dwelling each in other according to the aforesaid Testimony of Christ He that eateth my Flesh and drinketh my Blood dwelleth in me and I in him 1 Cor. 11.23 24 25 26. Paul thus said For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took Bread and when he had given thanks he brake it and said Take eat this is my Body which is broken for you this do in remembrance of me After the same manner also he took the Cup when he had supped saying this Cup is the New Testament in my Blood this do ye as often as ye drink it in remembrance of me for as often as ye eat this Bread and drink this Cup ye do shew the Lord's Death till he come This Scripture is taken as a pertinent Proof for the Administration of the Sacrament of the Supper so called as a Gospel Ordinance The first thing needful to be considered in order to the having a right understanding of the mind of the Spirit through Paul in this matter is the occasion whereon 't was written which is signified from ver 17. to 23. of the same Chapter from whence it appears That the Corinthians came not togeâ—her for the better but for the worse for that when they came together Paul heard there were divisions amongst them and that in eating every one took before the other his own supper and that one was hungry and another drunken and that this was not to eat the Lord's Supper and then proceeds to relate what he had delivered unto them as an evidence that their Practice was not to be justified or owned from any thing delivered unto them by him 'T is now necessary to consider what may and what may not be inferred as pertinent to the matter in hand from what Paul delivered to the Corinths It cannot be inferred that those who worthily did eat of that Bread and drink of that Cup mentioned verses 24 25. which we will not deny to be outward were after the receiving thereof made Partakers of Christ's Body for though ver 27. the Apostle thus saith Whosoever shall eat this Bread and drink this Cup of the Lord unworthily shall be guilty of the Body and Blood of the Lord yet he doth not on this occasion say that the Worthy Receiver is Partaker of the Body of Christ and why but because that was not the declared end what then was the declared end the end from Paul's words seems to be to shew the Lord's death till he come for verse 26. he thus saith For as often as ye eat this Bread and drink this Cup ye do shew the Lord's death till he come in remembrance whereof man may be and yet no Partaker of his Body and as to these words till he come they may reasonably be taken to relate to his coming to man in Spirit and if so there is no pretence from Paul's words that such ought to continue in the aforesaid Practice for the remembrance of Christ's Death who are witnesses of his coming in the spirit by which as living members of his spiritual Body they are attained unto the End wherefore a remembrance of his Death was accounted needful And as to these words Whosoever shall eat this Bread and drink this Cup of the Lord unworthily shall be guilty of the Body and Blood of the Lord it may be said that no command is herein contained to prove that the Sacrament of the Supper so called ought to be or to have been practised but yet we confess that from these words it 's Rational to conclude That Paul had a Sense that some might take occasion to meet together to break Bread and to Drink and forasmuch as the use thereof was abused it might be a necessary Caution in Paul to signify that the Unworthy Eaters were guilty of the Body and Blood of Christ because if they made Conscience thereof as doubtless those who so practised would profess they did even as some others made Conscience of Observing a Day the Abuse thereof could not but become Sin unto them by which the Just is Crucifyed And therefore Such might as Justly be accounted Guilty of the Body and Blood of Christ as those who having tasted of the Good Word of God were by their Falling away
John 6.53 when he said Except ye eat of the Flesh of the Son of Man and Drink his Blood you have no Life in you For though Christ so said yet he did not intend that there could be a Profiting as to the Growth of the Inward Man by Eating outward Flesh no more than the Children of Light do at this Day believe that the Eating of the Outward Bread can nourish the Immortal Soul Joh. 6.63 And therefore Christ said It is the Spirit that quickneth the Flesh profiteth nothing CHAP. XI Touching Justification and Salvation through Faith in Christ WHat the Scripture saith touching Justification and Salvation we own viz. Rom. 8.30 That the Called of God are Justifyed and that This Justification is freely by his Grace through the Redemption Rom. 3.24 25. that is in Jesus Christ by Faith in his Blood for the Remission of Sins that are past and that Tit. 2.11 Salvation is brought through the Grace of God that hath appeared unto all Men. Object This Sense of yours cannot be denyed because your Language agrees with the Holy Scriptures But the Question is Whether your Meaning thereby is that you own a Justification of Persons or a State of Salvation attainable through the Blood of Christ not only without an Infusion of Righteousness but also by a Pardon of Sins and accepting of Persons as perfectly Righteous at the Tribunal of God not for any Works wrought in them or done by them but for Christ's sake not by imputing the Act of Faith or any pretended Light or Principle within them or any of their Evangelical Obedience to him as their Righteousness before God but by Accepting and Imputing the Obedience and Satisfaction of Christ for them and to them And Whether or no you do not account that Justification and Sanctification are all one and the same thing because Sanctification is inseparably joyned with Justification 1 Cor. 6.11 which if you should we cannot but take you therein to Err because in Justification God imputeth the Righteousness of Christ to us Rom. 4.6 8. But in Sanctification the Spirit of God infuseth Grace into us and enableth to the Exercise thereof Ezek. 36.27 Answ The Objection seems to be raised by such as have put their Meanings on the Scriptures of Truth when in truth they cannot say That by the Revelation of the Spirit of God they have been led thereto And therefore such Meanings may well be taken to be no other than meer Private Interpretations and not that which is signifyed by the Holy Ghost However that our Sense relating to the Material Parts of the Objection may be known we thus say First That Justification unto Life Eternal or a State of Salvation is not attainable but through Faith in the Blood of Christ or the Leadings of God's Grace that hath appeared unto all Men and that nothing which we of our selves are capable to perform can in any wise be so Meritorious as thereby to render us worthy of that Justification which all the Saints in Light are attained unto as absolutely necessary to the being made a Partaker of the great Salvation of God By these our words Nothing which we of our selves are capable to perform our Meaning is not only an Exclusion of all legal Performances which the Apostles in their Epistles plentifully hinted at but also of all other Outward Dutyes and Performances of what Nature and Kind soever that our Outward Man is of ability without the Assistance of the Spirit of God to act and bring forth And if any from these words in the Objection viz. Wrought in them Act of Faith Evangelical Obedience c. shall conclude that the very Works and Actions which by the Spirit of God we are enabled to bring forth are of no Advantage towards Eternal Salvation but that it 's through Faith alone attainable We then thus Answer That the word Faith in the Scripture may be taken in a two-fold sense the one is a Faith that is not without a further growth accompanyed with the Salvation of God and therefore cannot be the Faith intended in the Objection The other is Faith in the Blood of Christ for Remission of Sins and this Faith is unto Salvation and so must be that intended in the Objection But then this inconsistency with Truth plainly appears in the Objection viz. A reliance on Faith excluding Works wrought by the Spirit The inconsistency lies here Wheresoever a lively Faith unto Salvation is manifested it is accompanyed with Fruits of the Spirit and Evangelical Obedience which are as inseparable each from other as Sanctification and Justification in the Objection are confest to be We shall now prove to evince against all Opposers the truth of what we have Asserted First That there is a Faith which without a further growth is not accompanyed with the Salvation of God is evident from the words of Paul Rom. 13.11 For now is our Salvation nearer than when we believed Which clearly shews that the Scripture informs us of a Belief or Faith attained by such as were not arrived unto nor yet Witnesses of the Salvation of God They were only come nearer unto it than when they first believed but not come at it And no doubt but this Belief or Faith spoken of by the Apostle was a Faith on Christ that is to say That He was the Son of God c. For so to believe was the Work encouraged in the beginning according as appears by the words of Christ unto the multitude John 6.29 This is the Work of God that ye believe on him whom he hath sent And this was said by Christ in Answer to this Question proposed to him by the Multitude What shall we do that we might work the Works of God Phil. 1.15 16 17 18. Besides we find the Apostle rejoycing That Christ was Preached though by some 't was of Envy and Strife and in Pretence And no doubt his End was that the Sons of Men might come to believe That Christ was the Son of God and That the Messiah that was waited for was come Of whom there was an Expectation John 4.25 That he should tell us all things And so when the Sons of Men whether Jews or Gentiles were come so far as to believe That Christ was that Messiah that was to come there was Ground of Hope that they might in due time come to Witness the Obedience of Faith unto Righteousness The Author to the Hebrews tells us Heb. 12.2 That Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our Faith No doubt this was not a Work done in a Moment or Twinkling of an Eye for though he is the Author and Object of every true Christians Faith yet we learn from the Holy Scriptures that such as believed That Jesus was the Lord stood in need of many ‖ Rom. 13.13 14. Heb. 10.23 24. Exhortations Reproofs and Instructions and that God made use of Instruments to build them up in the most Holy
Faith And all this may be attributed unto Christ the Author thereof And to what End but that as they had believed on him to be the Son of God so they might come to grow from Strength to Strength from Grace to Grace until they might be living Witnesses not only that he was the Author and Object of their Faith but also the Finisher thereof unto Eternal Salvation Secondly As before is signified there is a Faith in the Blood of Christ for Remission of Sins and this Faith is unto Salvation and wheresoever 't is manifested 't is accompanied with Fruits of the Spirit and Evangelical Obedience which are as inseparable each from other as Sanctification and Justification in the Objection are confest to be The Author to the Hebrews tells us That Christ the Son of God became the Author of Eternal Salvation Heb. 5.9 unto all them that Obey him This shews that Obedience unto Christ which undoubtedly is no other but Obedience of Faith was a Qualification accompanying such as were made Partakers of the Salvation of God Who then dare say Such Obedience is of no Advantage unto those who by the Spirit of our Lord Jesus Christ are led thereunto Besides we find that the same Author writes on this wise But Beloved Heb. 6.9 10. we are perswaded better things of you and things that accompany Salvation though we thus speak for God is not Unrighteous to forget your Work and Labour of Love which ye have shewed towards his Name in that ye have Ministred to the Saints and do Minister This doth not only shew that Good Works accompany Salvation but that there is a Recompence for the same implyed in these words For God is not Unrighteous to forget your Work and Labor Who then dare say That 't is no advantage unto Salvation to those who are found Exercising themselves by the Spirit of God in things accompanying Salvation Especially since we sind the Apostle Paul not only to Exhort us To work out our Salvation with Fear and Trembling but expresly signifying That Godly Sorrow worketh Repentance to * 2 Cor. 7.10 Salvation not to be Repented of Moreover 't is observable that though the Author to the Hebrews tells us That without Faith 't is impossible to please God Heb. 11.6 For saith he he that cometh to God must believe that he is yet he doth not rest here as if that Faith were sufficient but proceeding in the very same Verse saith That he is a Rewarder of them that diligently seek him By which it appears that there is something as an Act of Faith to be brought forth through Man besides resting in a bare Faith that God is and that for such Act there is a Reward which if duly weighed together with these Scripture-citations Mat. 5.12 6.1.10.41 42.16.27 Luke 23.4 1 Cor. 3.14.9.17 Col. 2.18 Heb. 10.35 John 2.8 Nothing can then be more plain than that those through whom Works which are the Fruit of the Spirit of God or Acts springing through the Obedience of Faith are brought forth shall receive a Reward for such Works And as to these words in the Objection Not by Infusion of Righteousness but by Imputing the Obedience of Christ Rom. 5.19 which we take to be grounded on the Apostles words viz. As by one man's Disobedience many were made Sinners so by the Obedience of One shall many be made Righteous 2 Cor. 19.21 And God was in Christ reconciling the World unto himself not Imputing their Trespasses unto them for he hath made him to be Sin for us who knew no Sin that we might be made the Righteousness of God in Him We thus Answer That these words of the Apostle viz. By the Obedience of one shall many be made Righteous do not shew that any one of the Sons and Daughters of Men shall be made Partakers of the Righteousness of God whilst Sin is reigning in their Mortal Bodies the words will bear no such Consequence And forasmuch as such who are ready to Object as aforesaid have highly commended the Practice of comparing Scripture with Scripture that so the Truth may the more clearly shine forth in its Beauty we shall manifest thereby that no such Meaning was the Meaning of the Spirit For in the 21th Verse of the same Chapter 't is thus said That as Sin hath reigned unto Death even so might Grace reign through Righteousness unto Eternal Life by Jesus Christ our Lord. This Reign of Sin was in the Mortal Bodies of those that through a breach of the Righteous Law of God became subject to Condemnation But when Grace came to Reign through Righteousness unto Eternal Life then the Vertue of the Blood of Christ was witnessed and The Mystery of Faith revealed 1 Tim. 3.9 that was held in a pure Conscience which doubtless was not then a Defiled Conscience And therefore we may properly term the Blood of Christ in which by Faith Salvation is known the Mystery through which man arrives unto Godliness notwithstanding the Mystery of Iniquity hath wrought in some to pretend Salvation thereby whilst being in a State of Degeneration their Consciences are poluted and Sin reigning in their Mortal Bodies Then we may also say that the man of Sin was Dethroned Then the Old Man with his Deeds was put off and the New Man which as the Apostle saith Eph. 4.24 After God is created in Righteousness and True Holiness was put on Again 't is observable that the words Not Imputing their Trespasses unto them do only argue that their Trespasses were forgiven as necessary to a state of Reconciliation with their Maker but doth not at all hold forth that they could be in such a state whilst either their former Sins were not Forgiven or whilst they were actually committing Sins and Trespasses anew after that they had been through the Mercies of God made Partakers of such Forgiveness And as to these words of the Apostle That we might be made the Righteousness of God in him we also say it will not from thence follow that Man can become a Partaker of the Righteousness of God whilst Sin is in Dominion in him For the State spoken of is a State in Christ. Now the Testimony of the Apostle in the very same Chapter Verse the 17th is on this wise If any man be in Christ he is a new Creature old things are past away all things are become new And though this New State was a State wherein Man was Freely Justified by Grace and brought into the glorious Liberty of the Sons of God and was Redeemed from under the Law which consisted in Carnal Ordinances that made not the Comers thereunto Perfect Heb. 7.19 as pertaining unto the Conscience though the bringing in of a better Hope did yet notwithstanding we do not find any ground to believe that the Liberty and Freedom man was thereby brought into was such a State wherein he was not to be subject to a Law Rom.
3.26 For the free Justification of Christ was to extend unto these who believed in him And in that State the Works of the Law were excluded so that there was no room for any to boast therein But then the Manner of that Exclusion so that no man should boast was by the Law of Faith Rom. 3.27 Now where a Law is it must necessarily follow that Obedience is due and whenso ever that Debt ceaseth the Law then becometh void But who so Impious to declare a Principle so Unrighteous as hath a tendency to make this Law of Faith void Charity obligeth us to suppose that no Christian-professor would wittingly thus do But yet we cannot but say that so great Darkness hath seemed to over-shadow some as that under the Notion of Christ's Righteousness imputed to Sinners 't is to be feared that many have indulged such a Liberty as little to regard the Counsel of the postle when he said Work out your Salvation with Fear and Trembling as if Salvation were to be obtained by an Historical Faith excluding all sorts of Works as unnecessary thereto and that a little Religion in the Head might stead a man more than a great deal in the Heart for where an Application of Christ's Righteousness is made by any person whatsoever in order to the Healing of that Wound which through the Temptations of the grand Enemy of the Soul man hath received if there be not according to the counsel of the Apostle Paul 2 Cor. 7.10 A Sorrow unto Repentance never to be repented of there 't is undoubtedly falsly applyed the aforesaid Sorrow cannot rightly attend the Creature in his lost estate and condition but First Through a sense of the prevalency of Satan by his Temptation Secondly Through bearing the Righteous Condemnation of the Lord upon the Transgressing nature that so through Judgment the Mercy of the Lord may be Witnessed and then when the Creature comes to be made Partaker of the Mercy of the Lord through a sense of his Failing a real Sorrow for the same and bearing in Patience the Righteous Condemnation of God than the Burthen of Sin may be removed and the Creature witness a State of Restoration These things lead us to consider How it comes to pass that people professing Christianity and owning the Scriptures of Truth and agreeing in Principles termed Fundamental whilst they keep to the Language thereof should thus Disagree To this we say That to the enlightned Eye 't is plain especially in the Matters whereof we are now treating and that it may be so to others we desire that the following Notations may be considered First The Apostle Peter tells us That no Prophecy of the Scripture is of any private Interpretation 2 Pet. 1.20 21. that is it ought not to be interpreted but by the Holy Ghost through whose Motion it was given forth and yet so great is the Curiosity of Men that they will be concerning themselves to put Meanings on the Scriptures of Truth though the words themselves will not warrant the same nor the Interpreters in truth Affirm That such their Meanings are through the Revelation of the Spirit Secondly There is a Proneness in Man to avoid the Cross of Christ and instead of Entering in at a narrow Gate to make their Passage into the Kingdom of Heaven as broad as their sensual Wisdom will admit Thirdly Though the Language of the Apostle Paul and the Apostle James be in substance one yet the Manner of Expressing themselves seems Contradictory to such whom the Lord hath not endued with the Knowledge of the Mysteries of his Kingdom and such a spirit of discerning as to see the Occasions on which they Writ The occasion of these differing Apprehensions being thus Discovered 't is now needful to sum up the whole matter and from thence to take occasion to remove so far as in us lies the Misunderstanding of the Words of the aforesaid Apostles and in order thereto we thus say This Discourse touching Justification and Salvation may be Reduced to this First That some professing Christianity are at least doubtful that others under the like Profession pretend to a State of Justification and Salvation through the Imputation of Chri'sts Righteousness whil'st they are continuing in their Sins and not only so but that No Works wrought in us though by the Spirit of Christ it self are of any Advantage to the Arriving unto the State of Justification and Salvation Secondly That others under the same Profession of Christianity are Jealous That the Principles which some hold forth have a tendency to Introduce a Righteousness of our own as Meritorious to Eternal Salvation which occasions us to Refer the Reader to a part of an Objection raised in the Third Chapter of this Treatise pages 15. and 16. and to the Answer thereto pages 16 17 18 19 20. for that we account it a very proper Conclusion to this Chapter in Order to the further clearing of the Truth and dividing the Word aright though written on another Occasion That part of the Objection aforesaid signified of to be proper on this Occasion is as followeth Though the Appostle Testifies That the Blood of Christ Cleanseth from all Sin yet this hath been Interpreted to be only from the Guilt and not from the Act of all Sin so as to cease there-from whilst on this side the Grave which doubtless was the Reason wherefore we sind these Testimonies Recorded in the Holy Scriptures Eph. 2.8 9. By Grace ye are saved through Faith and that not of your selves it is the Gift of God not of Works lest any Man should boast thereby Implying as if Salvation through Faith might be Obtained though Good Works were wanting And so consequently Sin committed instead thereof since 't is irrational to conclude that whil'st Man is in the Body he can cease from working both Good and Evil In many things we offend all If we say James 3.2 John 1.8 we have no Sin we deceive our selves and the Truth is not in us To conclude this Chapter as we have already referred the Reader to view over the Answer contained in pages 16 17 18 19 20. to the above cited Part of an Objection so we now intreat him so to do and if it may be instrumental to open the Understandings of any so as rightly to distinguish Truth from Errour we then shall therein have our End AN Appendix manifesting some Fruits of Apostacy or Innovation FOrasmuch as the Title Page of this Second Part may beget in the Reader an Expectation of some further Discovery of Apostacy and Innovation since in this Part hitherto little thereof hath been Manifested We therefore thought meet to Add the Substance of an Answer given by some Friends of Bristol to the Paper mentioned in other Parts of the Christian Quaker to be given forth by sixty six Persons that is to say by Charles Marshal and sixty five more from Ellis Hookes's Chamber in London the Twelfth of the
4th Month 1677. which now follows We whose Names are here unto Subscribed do Testify that on the Sixteenth day of the Fifth Month 1677. we were present in a Meeting usually held in the City of Bristol for the taking Care of the Poor and promoting of other Christian Duties when a Paper Subscribed by Sixty Six Persons and Dated from a Metting held at Ellis Hookes his Chamber in London the Twelfth of the Fourth Moneth 1677. was there Read and therein John Story and John Wilkinson are Reproved and Judged in these Words viz. We do hereby Reprove and Judge that Jealous Rending and Separating Spirit and them meaning John Story and John Wilkinson and their Separate Company as being in that Spirit of Separation and that by the Power and Spirit of our God and we warn all to whom this Comes to beware of the said John Story and John Wilkinson whose way at present is not the way of Peace c. The aforesaid Judgment we do now Declare that we do not own to be Righteous nor yet dare we deny the said John Story and John Wilkinson lest we sin against God and despise those unto whom a Dispensation of the Gospel of Christ is committed especially since that the aforementioned Paper doth sufficiently manifest to our Consciences That the Spirit of God did not move in the hearts of the sixty six Subscribers to give forth the same though the Name of the Lord his Power and Spirit is frequently made mention of in the said Paper and that this is so we thus manifest First The great Crime against John Story and John Wilkinson is for that as report saith They have been instruments to set up or at least incourage a Separate Mens-Meeting in the North wherein the outward affairs of the Church are managed and so consequently is esteemed besides that Form of Government which is contended for Now it doth not appear to us from the said Paper that the Meeting from which the aforesaid Paper was given forth was a Meeting held according to the Form of Government contended for and so we are dissatisfied that the Actions of that Meeting are Justifiable by the Rule of those who oppose John Story and John Wilkinson on the foot of the Separate-Meeting so called For it doth not appear that the aforementioned Meeting was the General Meeting by any thing therein contained not being so much as Dated from thence nor yet within the time wherein it was appointed to be held besides if the Paper did not prove that yet by a Post-script thereto it appears that there were several Brethren that had left the City before the said Meeting wherein the said Paper was Subscribed and so had it been within the appointed time of the General-Meeting it could in the best sense be but from a part of the said Meeting The aforementioned Meeting by the said Paper Appears not to be the second day's weekly Meeting for its Date is on the Third Day and when any thing is given forth from that Meeting 't is usually Dated from the said Meeting Besides we find that the Hands of many Antient Labourers in the Gospel and the greatest part by many of the Body of the Elders and Ministring Friends dwelling in and about the City of London are not thereto Subscribed and not only so but we are Credibly Informed that though 't was discoursed in the Second Days Weekly Meeting yet 't was not unanimously Assented to therein And if so it follows by natural Consequence that it could not be the action of the said Meeting had it been Dated on that Day and that this Expression in the aforesaid Paper viz. And blessed and sweet and very pretious to our Souls is the Heavenly Unity of Life amongst us wherein at this Meeting the Lord our God hath Crowned us with Glory Dominion and Peace cannot in Truth be spoken with respect to the aforesaid Second Days Weekly Meetings Unity as to the matter contained in the aforesaid Paper The afore-mentioned Meeting cannot be reasonably supposed to be from the Mens-Meeting of the City of London for that the generality of the Members thereof have not their Hands thereto neither is it said Signed on behalf of that Meeting or any other setled Meeting in England nor yet from it or any other such Meeting All which Considerations confirm us in this Perswasion that the aforesaid Paper was given forth from a Meeting held out of the Form of Government contended for and so by their own Rule ought to be disowned by the Meetings to whom it is directed Secondly It appears that the Sixty Six Subscribers in their Paper have given forth these Sentences viz. At this Meeting the Lord our God hath Crowned us with Glory Dominion and Peace at this time as on the like Occasions hath been frequent with us the Care of the Peace and Welfare of the Churches of Christ came upon us And are your Servants for his meaning Christs sake By that Salt that we have in our selves from the Lord are we enabled to savour between the Transformation of the Enemy and the Scruples of the Innocent And as to be tender of one so to give Judgment against the other And truly that which hath encouraged us in this Epistle is that good success God hath blest our like endeavors in his power with We are Unanimously your Dear and Faithful Brethren in the labour travel tribulation patience hope and rejoycing in the Kingdom of Jesus our Lord. On these last Six Sentences we thus Observe that where they have Credit it 's but too probable that it may gain a Perswasion or Belief that the Sixty Six Subscribers are Apostles and so may become a means to obtain the better Credit to their Paper Should any thus be Perswaded they therein would be Mistaken for three or four from the City of Bristol who are well known to us are not Exercised in the work of the Ministry besides others from other Countries and Places Thirdly We find in the said Paper these two following Sentences And forasmuch as it appears to us that they will not come to us nor near us in the peaceable Truth which we have frequently truly desired for their good but that they will go on in their Opposition refusing to dissolve their Separate-Company in the North c. And because we are sensible that they have made an ill use of our Forbearance even to strengthen themselves in their Separation c. On which we thus Observe That these two Sentences are assigned as a part of those considerations wherefore the Sixty Six Subscribers were as they say constrained after continued Waiting and Exhortation slighted by them meaning John Wilkinson and John Story more publickly to Reprove and Judge them in these things as by their Paper doth plainly appear which being duly considered it naturally follows that if every one of the Sixty Six Subscribers have not frequently desired John Story and John Wilkinson to come to them they are
He never advised to the Erecting the same The Sixty Six Subscribers in their Paper are found Accusing John Wilkinson and John Story to this Effect viz. That they have Evil Designs and persevere in them by Word Writing and Practice That they despise Heavenly Dignities That they set up continue and promote False and Pernicious Iealousies Murmurings and Secret Smitings and that thereby they are Darkned in their Vnderfrandings That through the Power of the Enemy of the King of Righteousness His Peace they set up a kind of Standard of Separation from that blessed Fellowship and Communion that the Churches of Christ sweetly possest together to the Dishonour of God His Truth and People That they go on in Opposition Evil Smiting against the Faithful Brethren and Practice of the Church of Christ That the offering of their Gifts is not a Peace but a Division-Offering That they are Obstinate and Obdurate and gone into Self-wil That they cast Tender Love behind their Backs Amongst the said Sixty Six Subscribers we Read the Names of four Persons Inhabiting the City of Bristol by which they became Accusers since John Story and John Wilkinson were not before them at any time as Judges in their Cause and so having been Persons who at some times have Assembled with us in the aforesaid Meetings held for Relief of the Poor c. within the said City of Bristol where John Story and John Wilkinson have often published the Gospel of Christ for above twenty Years to our knowledge they have been desired to appoint a Meeting to make forth their Accusations to Iohn Story 's Face that so if the Accused be Guilty it may be sufficient Proof of Matter of Fact be manifest to us who in that Case shall then account it our Duty To Disown the Accused also But if they cannot prove Matter of Fact to render them so Guilty we may then justly expect the said Persons to own the Wrong they have done them by their False Accusation and give Satisfaction for the same But they will not as yet Admit a Meeting for that end before such Friends of Truth whereof one half may be Chosen by Vs and others Dissatisfied though they have liberty to Choose the other half themselves Neither will they as yet Admit a Hearing before any Meeting wherein the Witnesses to these Accusations shall be Excluded from being Iudges with other Friends And so what Issue this Matter may Admit amongst us is at present uncertain and whether this be Christian-like We Appeal to Gods Witness in all Consciences We Observe that in the said Paper the Subscribers Exhort Friends To be Zealous for the Lord and to stand up in his Spirit and Power for the Peace of his Church which Exhortation in it self is sound and wholesome But we are very Jealous that the said Paper hath notwithstanding given Life to a Contentious Spirit For on the Fifteenth Instant being the first Day of the Week John Story came to our Meeting and almost immediately after he had sate down there was one stood up who as we can prove declared Unity with the said Paper given forth against John Wilkinson and John Story and testified to this Effect The Trumpet of the Lord is sounded to Battle and the War is begun and so Exhorted on this Wise Come up to Battle and help the Lord against the Mighty using also these Scripture Words Curse ye Meroz And in the afternoon of the same day in our publick Assembly Francis Lea whilst John Story was declaring the Word of Truth stood up and thus began If any thing he Revealed to another that sitteth by let the First hold his Peace which was a clear Demonstration of his Hypocrisy for that 't is publickly known he Judges John Story out of Unity with the Church and so 't was altogether wrong in Fr. Lea to introduce his Discourse by a Scripture which if proper to be spoken in Order to the silencing of one declaring yet it ought to have been with Respect to one in Unity with the Church But as we said he ownes not John Story so to be and so it may reasonably be concluded that his Hipocrisy was not only thereby made Manifest but also his Discourse being Considered that he had no Revelation to Declare from God on that Occasion to the People But yet John Story observing how he introduced his Discourse not as an open Opposer of his VVords did for the People's sakes and that he might Administer no occasion of Discord give way and in a few words after drew to a Conclusion but Francis Lea's Discourse was such both Morning and Afternoon as gave occasion both to Professors and Prophane publickly to Manifest that we are now Divided Now whether this be a standing up in the Power and Spirit of God for the Peace of the Church of Christ or a Peace-Offering Let those who are Wise in Heart Judge But that which further Manifested Francis Lea's Rudeness is this After Francis Lea in the Morning-Meeting had ended his Declaration wherein he laid down seeming contradictory Assertions viz. That Two Hundred and Fifty Princes and Renowned Men in Israel were Revels and wicked Men and yet also said to this Effect as if they were Blameless and Harmless VVilliam Rogers stood up and took up his Words and spoke thereon in the Words of Truth and Sound Doctrine that so the People might not go away with a Misunderstanding and not as an Opposer of any Truth that Day Delivered nor yet as an Opposer of Francis Lea further than Francis Lea's own words Opposed himself And yet after VVilliam Rogers had ended Francis Lea in a Rude manner poured out Iudgments against VVilliam Rogers calling him Rebel and using that very Language as was used to Elimas the Sorcerer and this is become a Common talk amongst Professors and Prophane in Country as well as City which we and many Friends more do Account the Fruit of great Malice and Un-Christian-like Dealing for we know not any thing wherein VVilliam Rogers hath forfeited his Reputation as a Man or a Christian These things Considered and that also it is not made Appear to our Consciences that John Story and John VVilkinson are guilty of such Crimes and Offences as are laid to their Charge which if they were we also should disown them we dare not as we said before own the said judgment to be Righteous nor yet deny the said John VVilkinson and John Story lest we sin against God and despise those unto whom a Dispensation of the Gospel of Christ is committed And now our Counsel to the sixty six Subscribers is that they mind the Peace of the Churches of Christ by Calling in their Paper for we are well satisfyed that their Paper is not given forth from the Motion of Gods Spirit and if any of the sixty six Subscribers as men leaning upon others have asserted in the Name of the Lord when the Lord hath not spoken by them and that to Defame the
designed to be treated upon is the Government of Christ which we do not believe to be represented by visible persons certainly known by outward Names distinguish'd by outward marks and tokens and invested with Power from him to execute Outward Laws in an Outward Form of Government visible by our Carnal Eyes as aforesaid That the Government of Christ is an Inward Government is evident from the words of the Prophet Jeremiah Jer. 31.31 32 33. I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel c. not according to the Covenant that I made with your Fathers but this shall be the Covenant that I will make c. After those days I will put my Law in their Inward Parts and write it in their Hearts and will be their God and they shall be my People and they shall teach no more every man his Neighbour and every man his Brother saying know the Lord for they shall all know me from the least of them to the greatest of them saith the Lord. This we believe was spoken with respect to the Reign of Christ by his Spirit in the Hearts of the Sons and Daughters of Men and clearly shews that the Laws of Christ's Government under the new Covenant are written in the Hearts of his People and therefore an Inward Government Objection But if any shall object That the words of the Prophet relate not to those who are of the Gentile Stock of which Stock according to the Flesh it may be said that we are We thereto say That the words of Paul do effectually answer that Objection Rom. 10.12 There is no difference between the Jew and the Gentile for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him Col. 3.9 10 11. Lie not one to another seeing that you have put off the Old Man with his deeds and have put on the New Man which is renewed in Knowledge after the Image of him that created him where there is neither Gentile nor Jew Circumcision nor Uncircumcision Barbarian Scythian Bond nor Free but Christ is all and in all Many other Scriptures both out of the Prophets and Apostles Writings might be quoted to evidence the matter intended We are yet sensible that this further Objection may be raised Viz. Objection That neither the words of the Prophet nor of the Apostle cited by us make mention of Government over Jew or Gentile but doth shew as from the scope of the Scripture appears that the Apostle so writ to convince the Jews of the difference between the Righteousness of the Law and that of Faith and to shew unto Believers whether Jews or Gentiles that though some might appear in a Voluntary Humility Worship Angels intrude into those things they had not seen and be vainly puffed up in their fleshly minds and not give all Obedience unto the Head Christ through whom alone there is an increase in the increases of God yet they were therein reproveable as not being risen with Christ and further also to shew that those who were dead with Christ from the Rudiments of the world ought not to be subject to nor yet to touch taste or handle such Ordinances as were after the Commandments and Doctrines of Men. To this Objection we answer That though the word Government is not expressly mentioned yet there are words in what is cited out of the Prophet Jeremiah importing the three material Objects of Government viz. A Lawgiver the Place where the Law is to be found written and the People for whom it is given Besides from these words of Paul viz. The same Lord over all a Governour is implied viz. Christ Jesus our Lord and so consequently a Government over that All. And from what hereafter follows it will appear that the End of this Government is to lead into all Truth Moreover it leades us to observe That there are divers true Marks whereby the Opposers of Christ's Government may be distinguisht First They are such as are in a Voluntary Humility Secondly Such as Worship Angels which may reasonably be taken to be a Worshipping of some Messengers whom God hath sent because the signification of the word Angel is a Messenger Thirdly Such as intrude into those things they have not seen Fourthly Such as are puft up in their fleshly minds Fifthly Such as give not all obedience unto the head Christ And lastly Such as are Subject to Ordinances after the Commandments and Doctrines of Men. And to be very plain for the clearing the Truth we must give this our Testimony that we are really perswaded from what our Eyes Ears have been witnesses that many of those amongst the People called Quakers who have Zealously contended for the Observation of Outward Rules and Orders given forth by One Man bear all the aforesaid Marks for whosoever they are that pretend Zeal to promote submit unto and exercise themselves in other mens lines made ready to their hands and that on a pretended religious score when thorow the word of true Faith they see it not their duty or if they shall pretend they do and thereupon strive to enforce others to submit thereto there being no ground from the Scripture of Truth or Light of Christ so to strive it naturaly follows that the aforesaid Marks accompany such and this we confidently aver that thorough the whole Scriptures of Truth there is not one word from whence we may rationally expect and that according to the meaning of the Spirit that Christ hath or will Commissionate any One Man or Men to prescribe Outward Rules and Orders relating to Faith or Discipline in the Church to be binding on the Consciences of the Subjects of his Kingdom whether they should see it to be their duty from the Law written in their hearts or no. Besides if we consider the nature of Christ's Kingdom and Government it will appear to be such unto which outward written Laws visible by our carnal eyes and to be executed by perishing objects according to an outward Magistratical or Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction are wholly unsutable becaus Christs Kingdom is not of this world but is an Everlasting Kingdom and therefore 't is said That of the encrease of his Government there shall be no end and though John in the Revelations Chap. 11. V. 15. gives this Testimony That there were great voices in heaven saying the Kingdoms of this World are become the Kingdomes of our Lord and of his Christ And he shall Reign forever and ever Isa 61.11 yet there is nothing said to signify that the manner of his Reign was or should be otherwise then as before is described Moreover if any Man or Men have or may pretend him or themselves to be such on Earth on whom the weight of Christs Government which is Spiritual is laid it is not like to have any Evidence in our Consciences First Not only because we find no such Prophecy or Promise in the Scriptures of Truth but also for that we rather find the contrary for
in Isa 9.6 't is thus said And the Government shall be upon his shoulders and his Name shall be called wonderful Councellor c. Secondly Because 't is wholly repugnant to the Light of Christ in our Consciences that the weight of a Government that is Spiritual and Everlasting the Laws whereof are written in the Heart and wherein nothing but true Judgment and Justice hath been is and shall be executed for evermore should rest upon any Man or Men as a Governour or Governours over others since there is no Man nor Men but are subject through Temptation to Err if they watch not and therefore we may well say much less on any such one man though termed by some the great Apostle of Christ whose Actions towards his Brethren have been found injurious to them undeservedly and reproachful to the Truth nor yet upon any such Assemblies as the usual General Meeting so termed though improperly of the People called Quakers is because the Meeters have usually consisted of Uncertain Numbers of Uncertain Qualifyed Persons that take upon them so to assemble whilest others beholding the Ill Consequences of their Meeting conscientiously forbear to joyn with them Thirdly Because it is evident that the Disciples of Christ had their Eye so much on his outward and bodily appearance as that Christ their Lord and Master saw it meet to tell them in these words Joh. 16.7 It is expedient for you that I go away and when he so said he did not then tell them nor yet at any time before or after I will commissionate some Man or Assembly of Men in my Stead that so you may have your Eye unto and expect Written Orders from him or them to walk by and to lead you into all Truth but John gives them a Reason for his so saying in these words Joh. 16.7 For if I go not away the Comforter will not come but if I depart I will send him unto you meaning the Spirit of Truth which as he promised should abide with them for ever and should be in them which undoubtedly was in order to the Exaltation of his Government in the Heart and that they might have their whole Dependency on the Spirit of Truth which as before is signifyed Christ promised should abide with them forever And so this may truly be termed that Everlasting Unerring Unchangable Governour unto which the Subjects of Christ's Kingdom owe Obedience And why so but because under it the Promise of Christ was That they should be guided into all Truth according as is plainly signifyed from these following words spoken by Christ himself Joh. 16.13 I have yet many things to say unto you but you cannot bear them now Howbeit when the Spirit of Truth is come he will guide you into all Truth for he shall not speak of himself But whatsoever he shall hear that shall he speak Here is no room left for the Church of Christ to contend about Forms of Government or who shall be Governours under Christ's Government for if the Spirit that is in us and that is to remain with us forever shall guide us into all Truth then our Dependency ought to be thereon that so thereby we may be led into all Truth or else we cannot manifest our selves to be obedient Subjects unto Christ under his Government that he is exalting in the Hearts of the Sons and Daughters of Men. The consideration of these things leads us to give this Testimony That there is no ground either from the Scriptures of Truth without us or Light of Christ within us to believe that any Christian Professour can in Truth affirm That there are Outward Prescriptions and Orders given forth by the Spirit of God through any one or more Mortal Men in this our Day which others ought to obey and follow of which more anon in answer to R. B's Book of Government whether they see it their Duty or no and if they do not may therefore come under the Curse and partake of the same Judgments from God which happened to Corah Dathan and Abiram for their Rebellion against Moses and though the sin of Corah c. hath frequently in our Publick Meetings for Worship been spoken of and intended as we have taken it to be as a proper Citation to describe the state of such as on a Conscientious score cannot submit unto the outward Orders of one man yet we testify that such sort of insinuating and thretning language seems much more agreeable to the first Covenant then the second under which we are and when countenanced or spoken by any expecting such a submission it then seems to savour of a spirit that speaketh of himself and not what he hath heard from the great Lord and Master Jesus Christ and so consequently from another spirit than that which Christ promised he would send for Christ's own words signify He shall not speak of himself Moreover t is evident that Corah and his Company rebelled against Moses who was King in Jesuran and a Leader of Israel and thorough whom the Lord gave forth his Law to the People but we know that none can according to truth at this Day pretend that any other Governour is raised up amongst the Children of Light to be like unto Moses whom we ought to hear in all things save Christ Jesus who by his Spirit manifested in every Subject of his Kingdom is thereby become their Lawgiver and whilest they are obedient thereunto they may in truth be reckoned to be of the number of those that are in Christ Jesus because they may then truly be termed such as walk not after the flesh but the spirit and to such according to the Apostles Doctrine there is no Condemnation Objection This Discourse touching Government may occasion some to raise this Objection We understand that many called Quakers do hold Monthly and Quarterly-Meetings of Men and also of Women distinct from Men about their Church Affairs and that these Meetings are reputed to be Established on certain dayes that ought not to be altered by one man amongst them that hath pretended he was moved of God so to do and that the same person hath by his Paper spread abroad in divers parts of the Nation signified that none but loose spirits and such as tend to looseness pretend to set up a better way or to alter them to another day for fear of Corruption in Observing a Day and that it is but from a corrupt spirit of darkness which God will blast and that some call these Meetings the Government of Christ set up amongst them and establish't by the power of God to take care of the Churches affairs and that true Judgment and Justice which are the fruits of Christ's Government may be executed To this we answer we confesse there have been and yet may be such Meetings but if any think they have been or are establish't by any one man or that therein the Government of Christ is set up any otherwise than as any
cannot account Sound Language if Pauls Testimony Phil. 1.15 18. was Sound who said Some Preach Christ of Envy and Strife What then Notwithstanding every Way whether in Pretence or in Truth Christ is Preached and I therein Rejoyce yea and will rejoyce Secondly That to pretend want of clearness in Sight will not excuse any from Disobedience to God who submit not to the Sentence of an Assembly or some or other of them which may in any tolerable Supposition be termed the Church of Christ and so are ready to Judge their Brethren as Apostatized from the Truth if they walk not according to the Lines and Measures of others though they have no Faith therein contrary to that of Paul who to the Corinthians said 1 Cor. 10.15 Having Hope when your Faith is Increast that we shall be inlarged by you according to our Rule And whether these are not of that number who bring another Gospel than what we have already received and so subject themselves to the Curse whilest they are endeavouring to manifest others Accurst Let Gods Witness in all Judge There are at this Day who seem to make no Distinction between such as would have no Iniquity reproved and those who Conscientiously scruple to submit to the Dictates of others till their Vnderstandings are Illuminated these are of that number who divide not aright and seem so void of Charity as not to distinguish between the Precious and the Vile for though it was so that Paul in Thes 3.6 a Scripture quoted by R. B. thus saith Now we command you Brethren in the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ that ye withdraw your selves from every Brother that walketh disorderly and not after the Traditions which he received of us and then Comments upon it what more positive than this and yet the Apostle was not here an Imposer To which I thus say that this Scripture is no Warrant for any to follow the Commands or Traditions of others at this day until convinced of the Truth and real Service of Obedience to such Commands or Traditions which is evident by the reason that Paul in the following Verse gives for the urging Obedience to his Precept viz. for ye your selves KNOW how that ye ought to follow us So the Knowledge of their Duty was the Bond rather than Pauls Command Vers 14. of the same Chapter being another Scripture quoted by the aforesaid Author Page 27. Paul saith If any Man Obey not our word by this Epistle note that man and have no Company with him that he may be ashamed This related to such of whom Paul Vers 11 12 13 of the same Chapter saith we have heard that there were some among you that walked inordinately and work not at all but are Busi-Bodies therefore them that are such we command and Exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ that they work with Quietness and eat their own Bread and ye Bretheren be not weary in well doing and then he exhorts Vers 14. If any man obey not our Saying c. which plainly relates that to so undoubted necessary a Duty mentioned Vers 11. That such who were Busi-bodies walking inordinately might not in their busie inordinate Spirit eat the Bread of others but work that they might eat their own Bread but whosoever they are that shall bring such Scriptures as these to manifest that we ought to submit to the Outward Forms Prescriptions Ceremonial Dictates or decisive Sentences of others when they are or may be Matters of Conscience and that there lies an Obligation in point of Duty to Obey in every or any of such Things though we see it not shews themselves a sort of Busie-bodies wanting work Paul 1 Cor. 14.37 a Scripture quoted by the aforesaid Author thus saith If any man think himself to be a Prophet or Spiritual let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the Commandements of the Lord and Vers 34. of the same Chapter Paul saith Let your women keep silence in the Church c. Here 's a positive proof that women ought to be silent in the Church and that by the Command of Paul and therefore me thinks it should be a shame for such who plead for Womens speaking in the Church and not only so but for their Service with respect to Exercise in Discipline to pin so much as to me appears the aforesaid Author doth in his Treatise on the word Command us'd by Paul when according to the measure of Gods Grace and Truth which the Children of Light have received they have and do testify and that according to Truth notwithstanding what Paul saith and hath Commanded that * Note I would not hereby be understood to justify All Women that have spoken in our Meetings because many of them have of late been so rude in their Opposition to John Story as that I take it to be a meer Scandal to Religion and am perswaded that by Pauls Command the meaning of the Spirit was not positively according as his own words seem to intiate not only because the Prophet Joel 2.28 prophesied that the Lord would pour out of his Spirit upon Sons and Daughters and that they should Prophesy but also for that in the same Chapter 1 Cor. 14. he exhorts the Church who doubless consisted of Women as well as Men to Covet Spiritual Gifts but rather that they might Prophesy saying Ye may all Prophesy one by one all which considered t is rational to take the Mind of the Spirit to he that there were some unruly disorderly Women then in the Church as in these our Days are who then had need as some now have to be warned to keep silence though others that had received a Revelation from God might declare the same in the Church when met together Women as well as Men and Men as well as Women may speak in the Church of God according to their respective Measures when the Spirit of the Lord moves And since as the Apostle Paul himself testifies 1 Cor. 10.8 That his Authority was given him for Edification and not for Destruction I cannot but be more Charitable than to think Paul ever used the Words Command Ordain Traditions and such like on any other account but that the Churches should be followers of him according as in their own Measures they had a Sense or Savour that he was a Follower of Christ and not otherwise which comparing Phil. 3.17 with 2 Cor. 10.13 14 15 16. doth evidently appear The forementioned Scripture to the Philipians thus saith Brethren be Followers together of me and mark them that walk so as you have us for an Ensample that to the Corinths saith But we will not boast of Things without our Measures but according to the Measures of the Rule which God hath distributed to us a Measure to reach even unto you for we stretch not our selves beyond our Measure c. not boasting of things without our Measures that is other mens Labours but having hope when
your Faith is Increased that we shall be enlarged by you according to our Rule abundantly not to boast in another mans Lines of things made ready to our Hands Hence t is evident those who keep to their own Measures follow Paul as they have him for an ensample and that those who hope and desire their Brethrens Conformity to their Lines before they have faith therein are of another Hope than Paul was who as is above recited thus said Having Hope when your faith is encreased that we shall be enlarg'd by your according to our Rule abundantly And so it plainly appears that Paul did not desire the Corinthians to walk by his Line until their faith was encreased otherwise they might become Proud Boasters of other mens Lines made ready to their Hands as many yea too to many at this day are I now come to consider of his 6th Section the Title whereof Page 47. is this viz. How far this Government doth extend in matters Spiritual and purely Conscientious in which the great question saith the afore-said Author is How far in such Cases the Church may give positive Orders or Rules How far her Authority reacheth or may be supposed to be binding and ought to be submitted to For the better clearing and examination of which he thus further saith It will be fit to consider First whether the Church of Christ have Power in any Cases that are Matters of Conscience to give a positive Sentence or Decision which may be Obligatory upon believers Secondly If so in what Cases and respect she may so do Thirdly Wherein consisteth the Freedom and Liberty of Conscience which may be exercised by the Members of the true Church diversly without Judging one another And lastly In whom the Power Decisive is in Case of Controversy and Contention in such Matters As to the first Whether the Church of Christ have Power in any Cases that are Matters of Conscience to give Positive Sentence or Decision which may be obligatory upon believers I answer affirmatively she hath And shall prove it from divers instances both from Scripture and Reason Thus far the aforesaid Author The force of R B's Reason I apprehend to be chiefly comprehended in or drawn from these his following words as by his writing Page 48 49. more at Large appears viz. That we being gathered together into the Belief of certain Principles and Doctrines through the force of Truth on our Understandings and Practices necessarily depending upon them these are as it were the Terms that have drawn us together and Bond by which we become center'd into one Body and Fellowship Yet saith he by a Marginal Note Not so the Bond but that we have also a more inward viz. the Life of Righteousness The Scripture proofs that he quotes are these Gal. 1.8 1 Tim. 1.19 20. 2 John 10. thus further adding These Scriptures are so plain and clear in themselves that they need no greater Exposition to the unbyased Reader My place now is to detect the impertinency of R. B's reason and to shew that he hath quoted Scriptures which are not to the purpose yet I cannot but first observe that since the main scop of his Treatise relating to this Matter both from Scripture and Reason tends as it were cheifly if not wholly to evidence that such Principles Doctrines and Practices necessarily depending thereon are the Bond by which we became centered into one Body and Fellowship is it not to be doubted that these kind of Termes have the greatest room on his Heart and the Marginal Description of a more inward Bond viz the life of Righteousness is but like the entertainment of Christ in the Manger But to proceed I do affirm the Belief of certain Principles and Doctrines though believed thorough the force of Truth on the Understanding and Practices necessarily depending upon them are not the very terms and Bond by which the Church of Christ at this day is become center'd into one Body though I do confess that Certain Principles Doctrines and Practices held and Practised in a pure Mind are the Fruit and Off-spring of that which is the Bond but the Very Bond they are not If they were how comes it to passe that to this day the Members of Christs Body which is his Church have not declared and agreed what and how many are those Principles and Doctrines and what are those Practices necessarily depending thereon that ought to be believed received and Practised by every member of the Church of Christ as that by which they are center'd into the Heavenly Fellowship of Christ's Body With confidence I may say that I never heard or understood of any such thing yet extant amongst the Church of Christ neither do I believe there is and doubtless if there was the aforesaid Author being a man to speak after the manner of men that is well read and not of a Mean capacity would have quoted it to free himself from the censure of such who may Justly say He hath left us in the dark how to know these Members who to use his own Language Page 49. cut themselves off from being Members by dissolving the very Bond by which they were linked to the Body Nay I may truly say That in the primitive dayes there were many believers who were found in Opposite Faiths and Practices witness those who Circumcised kept a Day abstain'd from flesh and others there were who believed and practised quite otherwise and yet we do not find that the Bond which Center'd them into the heavenly Fellowship of Christ's Body was broken for doubtless many of them under those Differing Faiths and Practices were of the number of such who were sanctifyed in Christ Jesus or at least in some measure sanctifying which is the description of a Member of Christ's Body according as the aforesaid Author himself doth in his Treatise signify and this is answerable to the Truth it self Read Rom. 14. 1 Cor. 8. For further Discovery of the Truth of what I have asserted 't is necessary to query What are the very Terms and Bond by which the Church of Christ is become centered into one Body The Answer is plain 'T is the Spirit according to Pauls Testimony 1 Cor. 12.13 For by one Spirit are we all Baptized into one Body Now the Baptism of the Spirit may be witnessed by such whose Integrity might lead them to Die for Truth but should they be Questioned by any one What are those Principles Doctrines and Practices you hold which were the very Terms by which you came to be Centered into Christs Body and which were the Cause that gathered you for so are his words Page 47. relating to Principles and Doctrines they would be ready thus to say What blind Questions dost thou bring forth in thy Carnal Sensual reasoning 'T was Gods Power and Spirit gathered us from amongst such as being out of the Life gloried in their owtward Fellowships Principles and Doctrines and by his Power Circumcised our Hearts
Subjection to Christ the Head to whom all Power is given in and over his Church who are Fellow-Members and Fellow-Servants of and in his Body whose Power and Prevalency with the Lord is better demonstrated by coveting to Wash each others Feet according to the Example of Christ their Lord and Master than to be in the Exercise of Outward Jurisdiction as Lords and Masters over each other For that agrees not with the Testimony of Paul Rom. 14.10 who thus said Why dost thou Judge thy Brother why dost thou despise thy Brother for we shall all appear before the Judgment-Seat of Christ for it is written saith the Lord every Knee shall bow to me and all Tongues shall Confess unto God so then every one of us shall give an account of himself to God let us not therefore Judge one another any more The consideration of these things puts me in mind that there are some who in their buisy minds are apt to be considering What sort of Joyes Heaven Yields to the Faithful after this life whenas their time would undoubtedly be much better spent in contemplating how to come thither or if they have assurance thereof to be demonstrating the Way to others if call'd thereto To this sort may such be likened who will needs give themselves the trouble to treat how far Christ's Government extends though of its encrease there is no end and in what Cases that are matters of Conscience the Church hath Power to give forth Positive Sentences that may obliege Believers though nothing can be an acceptable Bond upon the Conscience until by the Light convinc'd and that in such Cases greater Controversies may arise whether such as give forth such Sentences are the Church or no than were before concerning the Matters whereof they assume Jurisdiction and therefore of such it may be truly said That their Time might be much better spent in the Exercise of their Minds unto God that if they are not Subjects of Christ's Kingdom and under his Government they may attain thereto and be subject to his Power to whom all Power both in Heaven and Earth is given and that being thereunto attain'd may be preserved therein unto the End and be demonstrating unto others how to attain the same if call'd thereunto Concerning the Power of decision R. B. Page 66. saith as on another occasion is already quoted The only proper Judge of Controversy in the Church is the Spirit of God and is not necessarily annexed to any Persons or Person or Place whatsoever c. That is to say that any have ground to reason thus Because I am or have been such on eminent Member therefore my Judgment is infallible or because we are the Greatest Number or that we live in such a noted or famous Place though some of these reasons may and ought to have their true weight in Case of Contradictory Assertions Here I cannot but query That if the Spirit of God be the only proper Judge of Controversy in the Church as the aforesaid Author saith it is how then can there be any weight in any other thing else beside the Spirit And whether these his words viz. Some of these reasons ought to have their true weight in Case of Contradictory Assertions when relative to that which he himself concludes is unalterably seated in the Spirit of God seem not a contradiction in common sense And whether under this very Notion those who are but weak in the Faith or of a Temporizing Spirit may not have an eye to some Eminent Member or the Greatest Number or the Brethren in some noted or famous place more than to the Spirit of God and measure of his Grace in themsevles I leave to the Judicious Reader to consider Besides why are not the Meanest of the Flock the Lesser Number and some Inconsiderable Ignoble Place mentioned and that some of these also may and ought to have their true weight since the testimony of Truth hath been that God hath chosen the Foolish Weak and vile despised things of the World to confound the Wise and Mighty R. B. Further saith Page 68. First That there never will nor can be wanting in Case of Controversy the Spirit of God to give Judgment thorough some or other in the Church of Christ so long as any Assembly can properly or in any tollerable supposition be so term'd Secondly That God ordinarily hath imployed such whom he hath made use of in gathering his Church though not excluding others Thirdly That their de facto giving a positive Judgment in such Cases will not import Tyranny and Usurpation neither will the pretences of any Contradicting them or refusing to submit on the account they see it not excuse them of being guilty of Disobeying God But of these three Assertions may be collected without the least abuse of the Authors words this short ensuing sentence That a person 's not submitting to the positive Judgment touching Controversy given by any Assembly or at least by some or other of them which may in any tolerable supposition be term'd the Church of Christ is Disobedience to God though the persons refusing pretend they refuse to submit on the account they see it not By this sort of Language every one must not only now believe as the Church believes of which that I may not be misunderstood I refer the Reader to what shall be written thereon in what hereafter followes but also must believe as any Assembly or some or other of them doth which in any tolerable supposition may be term'd the Church of Christ or at least submit to such though the persons refusing shall pretend they see it not He that runs may read a body of darkness and confusion herein what a long step at once is here from under Christ's Government that now submission must be to any Assembly or some or other of them that in any tollerable supposition may be term'd Christ's Church Nay if the want of sight being laid for an excuse shall not excuse Submission may I not farther say What a long step at once is this to magnify that Devotion whereof Ignorance is the Mother and that zeal which is without knowledge Is here any room left to see and savour for our selves And if this be not an apparent mark of an Imposing Usurping Spirit and an evident Abuse to the profession of Truth and the antient Labourers therein whose Testimonies were We preach not our selves nor yet that you should be Followers of us otherwise than as you have an Inward Sense in your selves that we are Followers of Christ let God's Witness in all Judge To the same witness I cannot but yet appeal whether the submission that seems to be aimed at is not one of the greatest steps to an Apostacy that hath appeared in our Age or since the Truth hath in these latter years been publish't amongst us for I do know having been a witness of the primitive gathering and testimonies amongst us in these latter ages that one
supposed to be the Church of Christ where either the true Doctrines and Principles are wanting or the true Life and Power in some good measure is not felt and known is far from my Thoughts Yea how far I am contrary-minded may be seen at large in my Apology upon the 10th Proposition now published in English Page 194 195 196 200 201 202 c. [g] [g] R. B's Discourse now shews that he holds forth TWO BONDS by which the People of the Lord are centered into one Body But the Apostle's Doctrine was that by one Spirit we are baptized into one Body and so the Bond but one And though R. B. terms my Comparison a Scornful Reflection yet I affirm 't was Christian-like enough so to say if the Reason given in my Answer be but duely considered which was That the main Scope of his Treatise relating to that Matter both from Scripture and Reason tended as it were chiefly if not wholly to evidence that Principles Doctrines and Practices necessarily depending thereon are the Bond by which we became Centered into one Body and Fellowship though he nameth not what those Principles Doctrines and Practices are For a further Manifestation of his weakness on this Subject I referre unto my Answer Thirdly W. R's Seventh Observation Whereas it was thought strange that I should call Doctrines and Principles the Bond and Terms of our being together I understood it only of an Outward Bond and that I laid the stress upon it no further appears in that I affirm these Principles and Doctrines to be the Product of Truths Power and Virtue upon the Heart which appears by what is Printed upon the Margent and W. R. saying in his Papers that this was but like the Entertainment of Christ in the Manger shews too little of Christian-Sobriety and too much of a Scornful Reflection for which I will rather choose to forgive him than therein to contend with him For how much I value that Inward Bond to wit the Life of Righteousness beyond the Outward and that I esteem the Outward not at all to be valued but as it comes from the Inward may be seen thorow out all I have written in my Apology upon the 10th Proposition W. R's Eighth Observation and elsewhere [h] [h] If this be his meaning yet his Book doth not so declare And my affirming that any denying of any of Truths Principles and Doctrines is a ground of disowning was only in respect that who do so do manifestly thence make it appear they have broken the Inward Bond first from which that Outward did naturally spring and arise W. R 's Ninth Observation [i] [i] Experience tells me that the great Difference among Friends in the Nation is about Outward Orders pretended to be Establish't by G. F. and by the aforesaid Letter which R. B. accounts a clearing of himself 't is signified that R. B. declared his meaning to be not only with respect to all the Outward Orders and Forms of Discipline in Government amongst us but also with respect to the Power of God which being Compared with his now declared Meaning on the same Subject shews again that he doth not by this confirm notwithstanding his pretence so to do what is signified in the aforesaid Letter because here is no mention made of any Outward Orders Establish't and Practized by the People called Quakers and that he pretends his Meaning to be an Establishment on the Spirit only and such as are led by it which is a clear discovery of his Fallaciousness and will so appear to such as may peruse his words whereon the Fifth Observation is made for therein he pretends to give the same Satisfaction as is signified in the same Letter Besides 't is worthy our Observation that from R. B's words some Persons are intended Establishers of the Government upon the Spirit only but yet with this Addition notwithstanding his word only and such as are led by it which to me seems a two-fac'd kind of Expression for if the heart of a man be the place wherein the Laws of Christ are writteu and his Government is to be exalted and that we have no ground to expect any other Government or Governours to be like unto Moses save Christ Jesus by the Manifestation of his Spirit in us why could not he have been contented to have stopt his Pen at the words SPIRIT ONLY but forasmuch as he makes this Addition and such as are led by it I must confess I am in some measure at a stand touching his meaning thereby and have a Godly Jealousie that notwithstanding his pretence to the Spirit and that nothing done by meer Imitation will any thing avail yet when it may serve his turn he may from his own Lines bring forth another Conclusion and inferr a Subjection to others under the Notion of Governours over the rest and that the Dictates of the Spirit in us must give way to the pretended Dictates of the Spirit in others by which means at length it may so happen that the Profession of the very Principles of Truth as held forth amongst us in the Beginning may be Irradicated for if once the Day come wherein the Faith of any is that certain Persons above or distinct from any others are the Men who are led by the Spirit and that the Government of Christ is Establish't on them then in probability it will naturally follow that instead of Embracing this Primitive Exhortation turn in your Minds unto the Light that shines in your own Consciences many will be turning their Minds out unto unto the Dictates of others and were it so that what R. B. aims at should be granted viz. the Establishment of Christs Government on men led by the Spirit this then might be objected that many might pretend thereto who were not led by the Spirit and where the Spirit of Discerning is wanting in such as are to be Governed they may be in a ready and open way to Destruction But on the contrary let this undoubted Truth be held forth viz. Let every one be obedient to his measure of Grace and Light received from God and that the Light and Grace is a Reprover of all Sin then there will be no Stumbling nor By-Path walked in Moreover his Language in another respect seems to me inconsisting with the Truth because the Government treated upon to be Establish't is pretended to be Christ's Government that the Establishers are certain Persons signified by these R. B's words We did Establish it that the Object whereon it is Establish't is the Spirit all which considered I may truly say that 't is a work not fit for poor Mortals to pretend to especially if we consider that 't is already Established by God himself on Christ's Shoulders But if instead of that which occasions this Observation R. B. had signified that those who are led by the Spirit are subjects under Christ's Government I know that such Language would have
gave that Judgment had not then perused it And as to their saying 'T was to the great Derogation of the Christian Authority of the said Meeting meaning the Second Daies Meeting I have this to say That I never understood that Friends owned any Authority in any of our Meetings as a Christian Authority but the Power of God which is Invisible and cannot be diminished and therefore I may well query whether 't is not Great Weakness in any to conclude that I am capable to do any Action which can either lessen diminish or take from that Authority and I hope none of the said Subscribers are so remote from Truth and a good Understanding as to conclude that the Second Dayes Meeting hath any Authority given them by Man but if any should be so Weak I must tell such that as I never gave it any so am wholly uncapable by writing to lessen it if they have any And whereas 't is said that the Objections of the said William Rogers lay not so much against the Matter and Substance of the said Robert Barcly's Book as against the way of Expressing some Passages therein This I say is untrue my Objections were against the very Matter and Substance of some things contained in his Book On the whole matter I have this to say I could not obtain a Meeting of Friends to be chosen by Robert Barclay and my self though the Person immediately concerned which agrees not with the Examples of the Scriptures of Truth Read Acts 15.1 2. And that the aforesaid Eminent Preacher as the Mouth of others under the Notion of the Church Obstructed and though in the Meeting held Friends Deportment was grave orderly and inoffensive as to me ward whilst the debate on my Objections held yet I am greatly satisfied that by the Publication of the said two Papers every Impartial Reader that will be at the paines seriously to weigh the said Papers this Answer and Robert Barcaly's Book and Postscript may easily discern the Errour of Robert Barclay and Charles Marshal with the Thirty Six subscribers but those who will have an Eye to Papers and Bookes for the Writers Sakes more then for the matters Contained therein may in time come to have their Understanding so Vailed as to be brought to worship Images and to esteem * See George Fox his Book of Womens Meeetings wherein he queries and was not Micah's Mother a virtuous Woman Read Judges 17th and then a few Lines of these and such like Women were recorded for their Wisdom and their Virtue Michah's Mother a vertuous Women in Israel though she caused a Molten Image and a Graven Image to be made and put in the House of her Son Judges 17. If any should be offended at these Lines let such Exhort Charles Marshall and the other Thirty Six Subscribers concerned to make better Use for time to come of so much Condescention as appeared in me for the sake of Robert Barclay whom I once accounted my Brother when I perceived from the Words of Robert Barclay's Mouth that he appeared a better Principled Man than his Lines imported William Rogers The FOURTH PART OF THE Christian-Quaker Distinguished from the Apostate Innovator WHEREIN A RELATION is given of several Proceedings since George Fox's Wife caused a Paper dated the 21 th of the 11 th M on 1672. to be Read against Iohn Story in a Quarterly-Meeting in Westmoreland Therein signifying that he judged the Power of God as it broke forth in Hymns or Spiritual Songs And is chiefly to discover That George For hath Erroneously concerned himself in the Divisions amongst the People called Quakers Which therefore may serve for A WARNING TO THE Children of Light that their Dependency may not be on G. F. a mis-led fallible Man nor yet on any Mortal Man Men or Name whatsoever save the Name of JESUS who is given of the Father to be Salvation unto the Ends of the Earth By William Rogers Hosea 9.7 The Dayes of Visitation are come the Dayes of Recompence are come Israel shall know it the Prophet is a Fool the Spiritual Man is Mad for the Abundance of thine Iniquity and great Hatred Printed in the YEAR 1680. The FOURTH PART OF THE Christian-Quaker Distinguished from the Apostate and Innovator c. THis small Treatise is chiefly designed to be Communicated unto those who profess the Appearance of Christ Jesus the Son of the Eternal God by his Light in the Consciences of the Sons and Daughters of Men to be a sufficient Guide unto the Father of Life The Faith of such is That those who receive this Appearance or Gift of God so as to Live and Walk according to the Divine Motions and Dictates thereof shall come to know the Salvation of God through Christ Jesus their Law-giver Lord and Saviour 'T is publickly known that this Principle of Truth hath been held forth and owned by those who in Derision have been called QUAKERS of whom it may be now said to the great Grief and Exercise of the Spirit of the Faithful Followers of Christ amongst them That though the Principle in which such of them who have received from God a Divine and Spiritual Knowledge have believed is Unchangeable yet the Enemy hath so prevailed as that the Seeds of Dissention and Discord sown amongst them have taken so deep Root as that their Publick Meetings for Worship in several Parts of this Nation have become the Stages of Contention to the Dishonour of God his Truth and People And in divers Parts of this Nation 't is reputed that George Fox is at least one of the Chief Abettors of one Party and Iohn Story of another But how far that Report may with respect to G. F. have Credit with others besides my self I shall leave to the Sense and Savour of the understanding impartial Reader when he hath throughly perused this Treatise And though from their Names mentioned in the Title-Page some may be in Expectation that the Difference between the People called QUAKERS with respect to the present Seperation in some Parts of this Nation may be Treated on at large yet that 's not my present Design or Purpose Though I must confess that Matter is at large Collected and impartially Stated and lies ready by me for the Press and in Probability may come forth or at least a Part thereof more than what is in this Fourth Part contained in its proper Time and Season unless the Lord shall be pleased to change the Hearts of the Persecuting Opposers of John Wilkinson and John Story and other Servants of the Lord unto whom the Truth is as dear as ever and that the Door may be opened again in our Publick Assemblies for Worship of God whereby those who have the Word of the Lord to Publish in the Demonstration of his Power and Spirit may not be so frequently obstructed by the airy imaginary and empty Discourses of such as have pretended to have the Word of the Lord to declare when
This is one Reason of many that was given Neither would I have them go further than the Offence is known nor continue longer than the Memory of the Offence abideth that we may walk in the Foot-steps of the holy Flock of Christ and not Retain when God Remitteth but Measure as we would be Meeted unto and Judge as we would be Judged considering our selves lest we also be Tempted Qu. 5. Whether thou opposed bringing in Friends Testimonies in Writing concerning their Faithfulness or Unfaithfulness in the Case of Tythes Answ Nay for I brought in One my self as a Testimony against Tythes I never gain-sayed or hindred neither would I force any one to write such Testimonies One ought not in my Judgment to use Force against another in bringing Testimonies for God beyond the Force of the Word of Life Qu. 6. Whether didst thou approve or consent or wer 't present at the racing or tearing out of the Book H. G's Paper of Condemnation for being Marryed by a Priest Answ Nay but Friends agreed that Papers of Condemnations should be taken out of the Book Qu. 7. Whether thou didst not say as touching Tythes That thou wouldst have all Friends left to their Freedom to pay them or not to pay them Answ I remember no such Words spoken by me as to put such an Indifferency concerning Testimonies for God against the grand Oppression of Tythes but I would have no other Force amongst Friends used but the Word of Life to stir them up with Testimonies for God against the Grand Oppression of Tythes which I have suffered the spoyling of my Goods for denying this many Years Here followeth Sixteen Queries delivered to John Story by R. W. and T. L. it being pretended that G. F's desire was that John Story should Answer them and the Substance of John Story 's Answers thereto Qu. 1. Whether didst thou say concerning the Paper sent down to the Quarterly Meeting at Kendal from G. F. That it came from the Female Answ It was never so said by me to the utmost of my Remembrance Qu. 2. Whether thou preached or said That Tythes in themselves was Not Unlawful Answ I never so preach't and said to the utmost of my Remembrance at any time That Tythes as they are now first paid and received by the Generality in England were not Anti-christian Qu. 3. And Whether didst thou preach in the Meeting when they of Preston met with you That Paul was let down in a Basket and that when they Persecuted you in one City you should Flee unto another and that Christ sometimes preach't upon the Mountains and by the Sea-side and the like Answ I do not remember that ever I preach't of Paul's being let down in a Basket nor yet of those Scriptures If they Persecute you in one City Flee unto another but may do when God puts them in my Mouth But have used the Scriptures of Christ's Preaching in Mountains and by the Sea-side If any have accused me for abusing those Scriptures let them Exhibit their Accusations with their Names to it and send it to me and if I cannot defend my Innocency therein they may have their desired End Qu. 4. Whether there was not a Boy or some other set upon an Hill as a Mark for some to know where the Meeting was when they met without Doors Answ I Remember no such thing Qu. 5. And Whether there was not One or Two appointed to come to Kendal every Seventh Day to receive from thee or others Instructions where the Meeting should be the First Day after Answ I know none so appointed Qu. 6. Whether the Persons or Person were not then or at some other time ordered privately to communicate it to some Friends who were to discover the Place and Marks by which the Meeting might be known where it was which some for want of the Knowledge of wandered a great part of the Day to find it but could not Answ I Remember no such thing Qu. 7. Whether their Houses which were offered to meet in were not refused when they met as afore-said Answ I know no House offered to Meet in refused and William Chambers's Faithfulness in offering his House was kindly Accepted by Friends though we did not Meet there being too far for the greatest Part of the Meeting to go and other Places much nearer with which we were well satisfied Qu. 8. And Whether didst thou say That to make a Distinct Assembly of Women was a Monster and Ridiculous Answ I never said the Things that are Cited in this Query neither as to the Matter nor End for which they are so peevishly stated For I believe if a Congregation of Women be together they may Worship God and Edify one another though there be no Man amongst them Yet I have said to this purpose That to set up a Meeting of Women by themselves a Select Meeting separate from the Men once a Month or Quarterly only about the Practice of God's Worship and to give that Practice as the Reason Cause and End for which they seperate themselves in so Meeting together would seem to be Monstrous and Ridiculous amongst Christians And as for Meeting of Women by themselves about outward Business when there is an Absolute Occasion for their so meeting about Business most proper for them to inspect into I neither am nor ever was against But yet I would not have them carry it so high to us as to threaten us with the Gainsaying of Core and such horrid Offences for simply asking or discoursing about the Reason or Necessity of their so Meeting Qu. 9. Whether didst thou say at a Meeting at William Chambers 's when Margaret Fox was at Prayer Friend Keep Order Answ I did not Yet being grieved in Spirit that I could not distinguish M. F's Words when at Prayer because of the Noise of Deceit I spoke Three low Words to my self only Qu. 10. And Whether didst thou say That Margaret Fox had been a Hearer of Lies and Stories these Fifteen Years and cared not what she said of any but would not hear the Truth spoken from none Answ To the best of my Knowledge and Remembrance such things were never said by me Yet I am sure she hath asserted many grievous Lyes under her Hand of me Qu. 11. Whether didst thou say That whosoever did Sing or Sound whilst another was Preaching or Praying it was Confusion and Disorder and a Spirit of Delusion that led them to it Answ I never said these Words as set down in the Query neither did I over deny any Singings Soundings Breathings that had their Rise from the Spirit of God But all Images my Soul abhors Qu. 12. Whether didst thou term or compare such Singing or Sounding to a Cat or Catterwouling or like unto an Horse or Belching of a Calf Answ I never did so compare it but I gave a Relation of another that did Qu. 13. Whether didst thou Read or cause to be Read or consent to the Reading of
not believe that we ought to expect that any such Motion from the Spirit of God should appear through any one or more Members of the Body of Christ with respect to other Members of the same Body And our Faith is That all those who are Heirs of that Kingdom which is Everlasting are entitled to a like Freedom not to be imposed upon each by other contrary to that Divine Sense and Heavenly Understanding which as Co-heirs and Co-workers together they are made Partakers of And this in the ensuing Discourse will evincingly be manifested from the Scriptures of Truth However we must confess he that is not diligent to wait upon God in the Exercise of his own Measure of Grace received is by the Light of Christ Condemnable not for refusing to perform that which he sees not to be his Duty with respect to the Observation of Other Mens Lines made ready to his Hand wherein he is not satisfied but for his Neglecting to wait upon God because 't is manifest in every one that hath been convinced of the Truth that 't is our Duty to wait upon God And this our Sense and Reason answers to the Testimony of the Scriptures of Truth where 't is said Rom. 1.18 19. The Wrath of God is revealed from Heaven against all Ungodliness and Unrighteousness of Men who hold the Truth in Unrighteousness because that which may be known of God is manifest in them for God hath shewed it unto them So 't is clear to us from the Scriptures of Truth without us as well as from the Light of Christ within us that the Wrath and Condemnation of God goes forth against such as live not answerable to what God hath manifested in them But 't is neither agreeable to the Scriptures of Truth or Light within for any to pour forth their Judgments against any for not following or giving heed unto this or t'other Outward Prescription or Observation wherein the Conscience is concerned when such are Not convinced thereof to be their Duty from the Mainfestation of God's Spirit in them The next thing to be considered is this That in all the last mentioned Objection there is no Plea for Obedience unto or following any thing but the Spirit in its Appearance whether through the Brethren or thy self From whence we observe First That there is no certain Description who are meant by the word Brethren Secondly That 't is the Appearance of the Spirit that we ought to follow Now should this Question be asked of such who may so object as afore-said Wouldyou have us follow we know not what We are ready to believe that they would say Nay if they answered any thing to the Question And if so then the Force of the Objection falls for that we account it our Duty to follow the Appearance of the Spirit of God through the meanest Member when our Consciences are convinced that 't is the Appearance of that Spirit But before we cannot say in Truth though we should do as such an one would have us That we are Followers of and led by the Spirit of God 1 Cor. 12.13 No more than Jesus can in Truth be called Lord and not by the Holy-Ghost Besides we cannot on this Occasion but testifie That as that Obedience which is of Faith in Christ finds Acceptance with the Lord so that Obedience which is not of Faith being Sin is but a Dead Performance Rom. 14.23 not the Fruit of a Living Member who through the Obedience of Faith unto Righteousness is made alive unto God And therefore it cannot be the Duty of any Member of Christ's Body to run before his inward Guide but to wait upon the Lord that all his Actions may be regulated according to the Manifestation and Revelation of the Spirit of God in himself Which seems clearly agreeable to the Testimony of the Apostle where he saith Phil. 3.15 16. If in any thing ye be otherwise-minded God shall reveal even this unto you Nevertheless whereunto we have already attained let us walk by the same Rule He that savours the Things of God may easily perceive that the Meaning of the Spirit through Paul unto those Philippians was That those who were come to a State of Perfection should walk by that Rule whereunto they had attained but those who had not attained so far and were otherwise-minded were to wait for the Revelation of the Son And now to conclude as to this Objection We have this further to add That we do know many of our Opposers or at least such who are not at Unity with us have very confidently made use of such Discourse as is contained in the last recited Objection to induce us to follow Outward Prescriptions and Orders though not convinced of its Service which occasions us to be jealous That in Process of Time the Enemy may so enter in at this Door as that Darkness may more generally over-shadow again than it yet doth though our Hope in God is That he will lay such a Constraint on many of those whose Eyes are open beholding the Approached Apostacy as that they may be raised in a Sense of God's Indignation and appear as Lyons on the Behalf of the Lyon of the Tribe of Judah to oppose every Appearance of that Spirit which would be exalting Self or any Outward Form Observation Prescription or Order to be as a Bond on the Members of Christ's Body when by the Light of Christ their alone Law-giver they are not fully perswaded thereof in their own Consciences which undoubtedly was the Meaning of the Spirit through Paul when he writ unto the Romans Chap. 14. Ver. 5 23. Let every Man be fully perswaded in his own Mind for whatsoever is not of Faith is Sin And to come a little closer to the Matter in hand 'T is too too evident That Non-conformity to Outward Prescriptions is taken as a Mark of Apostacy even amongst those who have been under the Profession of Truth of which many Instances too too large here to insert might be produced out of the Second Part of this * Meaning an Historical Manuscript made mention of in the Preface to The First Part of the Christian-Quaker Treatise unto which we refer the Reader However that the Impartial Reader may here have one Instance that this our Sense is not wholly groundless we say John Wilkinson and William Rogers testify That a Friend at the Meeting at Drawell which Meeting is spoken of in the Second Part of this ‖ Meaning the afore-said Historical Manuscript Treatise signified that G. F. should say to this Effect He that is not for Womens Meetings meaning as was understood Womens distinct Meetings as exercised amongst Friends was not fit to fit in Mens Meetings By which Sentence 't is evident if the End wherefore Womens-Meetings were by many first assented to be considered that if the Form of Relieving the Poor prescribed by G. F. should not be Assented to by any Elder in
to set One of Vs against Another if you could through your hatching and sucking up such Lies as these Doth John Wilkinson or such as stand by him think thereby to have his lying Prophesie fulfilled who said when a Renewed Care in the Churches of God according to Gospel-Order sprung amongst Vs and a Testimony was born against Your Opposite Spirit That we should be broken to pieces Is this the Shift you are put to that he should not be found a False Prophet with a Lye in his Mouth to charge a Lye upon me to defame the Innocent withal My Observations hereon are these What John Blaikling accounts a Lye is only a Query relating to G. F. and John Blaikling and which John Blaikling gave me occasion to Query as in the latter Part of The Fifth Part of the Christian-Quaker will appear By which it evidently appears that in John Blaikling's Sense G. F. was one of those Vs unto whom John Wilkinson's Prophecy extended which was on the Occasion of the afore-said Queries and related to the Persons concerned therein Now forasmuch as G. F. spreads abroad the Post-script wherein 't is written as afore-said it naturally follows that he owns himself to be one of those Vs mentioned by John Blaikling and they were the Persons concerned in the Queries as afore-said I now come to signifie that after the afore-said Forty-Four Articles of Accusation were drawn up Robert Barrow c. all Informers against John Wilkinson and John Story writ to Nine other Persons whom the said Informers without Assent of John Wilkinson and John Story chose as Judges to Judge the Case thereby as I suppose to avoyd the Slander of being Accusers and Judges But John Wilkinson and John Story would not own their Authority and so refused to appear before them and thereupon they proceeded to Judge the Spirit that was guilty of the Things contained in the Forty-Four Articles without Exceptions which manifested their Weakness as not capable to discern between Good and Evil Since many of the Articles were Uncondemnable But forasmuch as it is not my present Purpose to cite the Particular Letters Passages and Judgment on this Occasion I willingly at present omit the same with this only Observation That I am well satisfied from the Observations and Matters already mentioned that G. F. was privy to these Proceedings and if he esteem Himself one having the Care of the Churches upon him as no doubt he doth he would in probability have been a Reproof thereto had he thought the Proceedings Reproveable This Judgment became a Concern on many Friends in the Nation so that several from London writ to Friends in Bristol to go down into the North to endeavour an Accomodation of the Differences for that divers Papers by this time both on the one Hand and on the other were spread up and down the Nation and Persons concerned came to be variously affected Such as believed G. F. to be what I know he hath described himself and that in my own hearing viz. One unto whom Infallible Iudgment hath been Committed in all Things and that he knew a State of Purity at Eleven Years of Age received sufficient Satisfaction that John Wilkinson and John Story and all at Unity with them were Apostatized when they understood G. F. owned them not Thus the Door became shut unto these whereby their Consciences might be satisfied of the Goodness or Badness of the Tree from the Taste of the Fruit as if this were Sound and Rational Discourse Alas I have an Inward Savour that the Fruit of the Tree is bad though I confess I have been so far from tasting of the Fruit as that I have never seen the Tree nor yet what kind of Fruit it bears more than by Report Here methinks this Observation and Objection may be urged as rational Obj. Thy whole Discourse seems to carry a kind of an Edge against the Spirit that of late years hath acted through G. F. of whom 't is certainly known from his Writings yet extant That he hath thus advised Take heed of Iudging one another and Iudge not one another I command you in the Presence of the Lord neither lay open one anothers Weakness behind one anothers Backs For thou that dost so art one of Ham's Family which is under the Curse and that there be no Back-biting behind one anothers Backs but Love And so the same that doth Condemn behind the Back is for Condemnation with the Light It also can be proved That his Counsel hath been To follow an Evil Report until the Original Reporter be found And his End I believe then was That Judgment might be laid on the Head of the Transgressor All which being seriously considered the Objector may then say Object How comes it to pass that many of his Actions come under the just Stroke and Censure of his own Words To this I say I know not how better to Answer than to testify That Pride must have a Fall and that my perswasion is the Lord hath suffered this great Evil to come upon him and to be thus manifested unto those who have professed his Name that they may have no dependency on any other Name that may be given under Heaven but the Name of Jesus the Eternal Son of the living God and that every one that hath made a Profession that the Appearance of Christ by his Light in Man is sufficient to guide such as obey the same unto the Father of Life so they may not be led by the subtil Crafts and Inventions of Men to leave that Teacher and have their dependence on the Lines of others made ready to their Hands though under the very Pretence of being the appearance of the Light it self For under that Pretence Satan in many Ages past hath shrowded himself as an Angel of Light on which Subject a large Volumn might be Written most evidently to illustrate the same which I omit now being not my present Business This my Sense and Answer on the last Observation and Objection I am now sensible may create in some this further Objection Object What cunning Devices have been used amongst the People called Quakers whereby the Weak and most Ignorant Sort amongst them have been so ensnared as to Judge from a pretended inward Sense that the Tree is bad when the Person so Judging hath neither seen the Tree nor Fruit nor yet knows any thing thereof more than by Report To this I Answer That some amongst them known to stand by G. F. even in the vindication of many Errors whereof G. F. is Guilty to the dissatisfaction of a very great Number amongst the People called Quakers have publisht with Seeming Zeal and Thundering Lungs such like kind of Doctrine and Exhortation as this Away with this Iealous Spirit Oh Friends exclude the Reason the Wisdom and the Iealousy and have an Eye to the Brethren If you do not see your selves then follow us that do see And no doubt but this Doctrine hath
been suckt in by many and then 't is easie to be favour'd that if the Publishers thereof do but once put the Bare-Skin on any Friends Back though never so much of the Lamb's Nature and Spirit there will not be wanting those Sorts of Beasts with whom 't is supposed Paul fought at Ephesus who undoubtedly were Unreasonable Men to bait that Person on whom to speak comparatively the Bear-Skin is put This Discourse may occasion this further Inquiry By what Mark may we best be Informed to discover those Ministring Persons in your Publick Meetings who are of Party with G. F. as thou takest it and that are the Encouragers of such Doctrine and Exhortation as before-mentioned to exclude the Reason the Wisdom and the Jealousie and to have an Eye to the Brethren c By which word Brethren I know is meant one Party of those called Ministring Friends This I query of thee the rather because thou accountest it a Good Rule to Judge of the Tree by thy own Taste and Savour of the Fruit. To this I Answer What Garb they may appear in I know not But the Garb they have appeared in and the Fruits they have brought forth I well know by the Hearing of my Ear which are these They have been much Exercised in crying out against Dark Spirits Leavened Spirits Troublers of Israel thereby intending such as have and yet do approve themselves Faithful Friends gain-saying the Testimony of such as have declared the Word of God in our Publick Meetings in the Demonstration of the Power and Spirit though they have not been capable to detect the Publisher with any Evil Consersation or Unsoundness of Doctrine and oft-times spend their Breath at an eager Rate a long time together when some part at least of what they bring forth being but duly weighed is a meer Scandal to Religion the Principle and Practice of our Antient Friends in the Beginning Not having a Word in many such tedious Discourses I him at to inform the Congregation of the Principles of Truth which the People called Quakers have profest nor yet to direct the Hearers in the Way that leads unto Life Everlasting Obj. This may some say is treating of Things in a general Way without particular Matter to evidence this general Reflection Answ I confess 't is so and that it ought not to be Evidence against any one not named neither is it my Design that it should But rather that I may thereby become a Remembrancer to those who may read the same that they may consider whether it hath not been so though at such times they may have been so much swallowed up with Affection to an imaginary airy Declaration sounded forth with the Outward Appearance of great Zeal as that they have taken that to be pure Good Bread which in Reality is nothing but Empty Husks And if any shall think my general Reflection wholly groundless let such give the Notice thereof and I doubt not but I shall be capable to bring many sufficient Witnesses to the Truth hereof For at the Moment I now write I am well satisfied there are Hundreds will testify the same who have been Ear-Witnesses as well as my self However I must also testify That there are others amongst the People called Quakers and that I hope by far the greater Part that cannot be affected with such kind of Doctrine and Exhortation as to Exclude the Reason the VVisdom and the Jealousie and whether they see or see not to have their Eyes unto others so as to follow them And these are not willing to concern themselves either the one way or the other in relation to the Differences further than from certain Evidence of Matter of Fact And these not receiving sufficient Satisfaction that John VVilkinson and John Story were such as represented have been as I am fully perswaded termed such as had let in Jealousies the Reason and the VVisdom and on that foot termed Dark Spirits by the Publishers or Approvers of this Doctrine Have an Eye to the Brethren and if you do not see your selves you must follow us that do see A notable Expedient whereby the Leader and those who may be Led may like Blind-Men fall into the Ditch together and instead of following the Bright Beams of the Sun may be found Followers only of the dark Body of the Moon To be short When I consider whence they came and how Great G. F. is Esteem'd with such as Publish such kind of Doctrines and Exhortations as before is Cited I am well satisfied in my Conscience that there are many at this Day that have no better Measure to discover whether one professing the Truth be Right and in the Light and Power of God but by understanding how they stand affected to G. F. and his Outward Prescriptions as if all the Labours Tryals Sufferings and Travels of Friends were to center in the Exaltation of G. F. The certain Sense whereof hath encreas'd the Concern of my Conscience to give forth this Treatise Entituled The Fourth Part of the Christian-Quaker to which also is added The Fifth Part of the Christian-Quaker both which are a proper Looking-Glass for those who desire to behold G. F. in his proper Image But to return Robert Barrow and Three more all Informers against John Wilkinson and John Story writ to some Friends of Bristol on the Occasion of their Dislike of some Proceedings in the North and acquaint them That by the Authority of God's Power they have an Understanding given them of God to Act and Determine in Affairs appertaining to the Gospel and its Order And forasmuch as this hath been signifyed unto G. F. by my self and others in a Letter directed unto him and others Dated the 22 th Day of the 2 d. Month 1679. and that he hath not yet manifested any Dislike thereof though something to that Purpose was desired 't is cause of Jealousie that their Pretended Power was but under him if not from him and the rather also because they are great Espousers of his Cause and that 't is evident from what is already written that G. E. is one of those Vs already mentioned by John Blaikling At length some Friends of London and Bristol agree that Six Friends go into the North to endeavour an Accommodation of the Differences and thereupon a Meeting was had at Drawch in Sedberch-Parish in York-shire which continued Four Dayes to Audite the Differences but had no Power given by the Parties differing to Judge For some disaffected towrads John Wilkinson John Story would not permit that the afore said Nine Judges so termed should he Excluded as Parties and to the Meeting broke up not agreeing too give any Judgment in the Case However some took upon them to give forth a Narrative so called but was rather a Judgment with a large Preamble of Matters not acted at Drawel which disagreeing with the Relation I gave of Transactions in that Meeting being One of the Six chosen to go down
into the North much Writing was occasioned in Relation thereto which being not my present Purpose to Treat of I here omit That now the Reader may have an Understanding of that Sense and Judgment that was with John Wilkinson and John Story in relation to those Five Heads from whence all the before-mentioned Forty-Four Articles do spring I think meet to Cite their Testimony in Relation thereto read at the Meeting at Drawel And then comparing such their Sense and Judgment with those Antient and Faithful Testimonies of many labouring Friends in the Gospel of Peace who changed not their way since they became Publishers thereof to the Day they fell asleep it may then easily be savoured from what Spirit all the Mire and Dirt that hath been cast up against our Antient and yet Honourable Friends John Wilkinson and John Story hath sprung Their said Testimony now follows ON the whole Matter in the Fear and Presence of the Amighty God we declare That as we do approve of Monthly and Quarter-Meetings for the necessary Service of the Truth so we further say That as these or any other Meetings of Friends in Tenth shall be continued to answer these Services we believe that as it now is it also will become our Duty to be at Vnity with our Brethren in the Services thereof And though one of us viz. John Wilkinson did condescend to subscribe to a Paper for the Execting a Womans-Meeting in the Country to answer the Ends in the Paper proposed which he testifies he then did in Singleness of Heart for Vnity's sake Yet according to that inward Sense we now have there appears to us no Absolute Necessity to continue Womens-Meetings in this Country distinct and separate from the Men and therefore do Conscientiously forbear to Assent or Encourage to lay the Intentions of Marriages before them Yet that Inward Sense and Heavenly Vnderstanding we haue received from God hath and yet doth confirm us in this Iudgment That 't is not agreeable with the Line of Truth to oppose others in the Exercise and appointed Service of the said Meetings as here-to-fore and yet settled and agreed upon who being Conscientious therein are otherwise minded than we are And if any of our Words and Actions have had any Tendency to oppose c. which we are not Conscious of but if we were we would readily confess we say the Truth in us would have Condemned it even as it now doth And if it shall please the Lord to manifest unto us a Service in those Meetings in the Country as well as Cities the same Integrity towards God which hath dwelt with us these many Years past we believe will become a Bond on us to joyn Hand and Heart with others our Brethren and Sisters therein But till then our Desires are That this may not become an Occasion of Straitness of Spirit each towards other but that Embracing the wholesom Counsel of the Apostle in another Case If in any thing ye are otherwise-minded wait till God reveal we may walk together in that pure undefiled Love of our God which thinketh no Evil. That though many of our Brethren see a Service in Recording Condemnations and Leaving them upon Record to Posterity yet from that Inward Sense and Heavenly Vnderstanding we have we see no Necessity to leave them upon Record to Posterity or retain them when the Sin is blotted out and remitted by the Lord neither to be extended further than the Offence is known nor yet to continue longer than the Memory of the Offence abideth But if any see meet from an Inward Sense of Truth in themselves to leave such Testimonies relating to themselves to Posterity we have there-with Vnity That this our Sense may be no Occasion of Straitness of Spirit each towards others is the Earnest Desire of our Souls who desire the Prosperity of Truth and Peace amongst all the Churches of God As to Tythes We can in truth say 'T was never so much as in our Hearts to speak any Words whatsoever with the least Intent to Strengthen any in the Payment thereof nor yet to weaken the Faith of any having a Testimony in our Hearts that Tythes as at this Day paid are Anti-christian That as Groanings Sighing Soundings and Singings may proceed from Deceitful Spirits so also we declare Groanings Sighing Soundings and Singings may be the Fruit of the Spirit of the Lord amongst God's People And that as the First is Discouraged the Second ought to be Encouraged And the Earnest Desires of our Souls are That as to these Things nothing but the Spirit of Truth and sound Iudgment may appear either to Reprove or to Encourage And though we have been Accused as if we were Opposers of such Groanings c. which the Truth approveth yet God is our Witness we know it not That though we have been represented as Persons Encouraging Fleeing in Time of Persecution We say we are not Conscious to our selves of so doing For we believe those who stand not to their Testimony but flee there-from in the Day of Persecution may truly be accounted either Weak in the Faith or Departing from the Faith And thus having given our Inward Sense according to the Vprightness and Integrity of our Hearts concerning these Five General Heads from whence all the Forty-Four Articles do arise we shall with this conclude That the God of Heaven is our Witness our Desires are to approve our selves Men of Peace in the Abhorrency of all Fleshly Liberty and Loosness and to follow after Truth and Righteousness that the Regin of the Power of the Eternal God may be over all so will the Kingdoms of this World become the Kingdoms of our Lord and his Christ As to the Two Questions Answered by the Friends and Brethren met on this Occasion We in the Fear of the Lord say We in the Proposing thereof had not the least Thoughts to obtain your Yea and Nay with intent thereby to strengthen such who may be accounted our Party in any thing that 's contrary to Truth nor to encourage Loosness or Bad Spirits But conscientiously to remove the Scruples of some And further we say We are better satisfyed with your Explication therein than with your bare Yea and Nay For that we as well as you are sensible Apostates and Bad Spirits seeking a Fleshly Liberty have made use of Arguments deducible from such Principles of Truth to oppose the Power of God it self and the Practice of God's People in the Power John Wilkinson John Story 'T is now worthy the Readers Notice That G. F. takes occasion to write unto John Wilkinson and John Story sometime after the Meeting at Drawel which being Cited in the Eighth Section of the Second Part of the before-mentioned Manuscript together with Answer thereto pertinent on this Occasion I think meet here to Transcribe the same together with those Observations that are made thereon in the said Section THis is the Word of the Lord to you John
you went from before you separated Outwardly And this Spirit was afraid of being limited but it would limit the Universal Spirit both in Males and Females as your Fruit has manifested concerning the Practice of Womens-Meetings and Recording Condemnations and Admonishing Payers of Tythes and other Evils as your Books and Papers and Neighbours can testify But thou who hast said They must be left to themselves to Condemn this Year or the other c. this gives Liberty to the Flesh For whil'st it is to Day they must hear his Voice But John I savour thy Spirit and know that thy Words come from an Angry Disquieted Fretful Peevish Spirit And poor Men and People for my part I pitty you as knowing and seeing that you are out of the Life and are not in the Spirit that did first Convince you and so not in the First Love And if ever thou comest to the tender Spirit and Light of Christ in thy Heart thou wilt see all those your Books and Papers of Strife and your Separation is all for Condemnation with the Light of Christ and they are the Works of that Spirit that led thee into Death and Strife And now thou cryest What and Wherein and This and the Other But come in and look into thy self And I say again It is the same Spirit that led James Naylor and John Perrot and others and John Perrot cryed against Imposition as you do and against the Mens-Meetings as you do against the Womens Though I know James Naylor did for himself Condemn that Spirit that led into a Separation which had been well if you had done so too And his Resurrection is Recorded as well as his Condemnation But many of his People remain to this Day out and have been and are as much against Men and Womens-Meetings as you And so it is but the same Spirit still And James Naylor's Opposition did not consist only in Not Reproving his Company for the Titles they gave him but his Opposition stood several Years about other Matters and his People cryed against our Meetings and sought with all their Might to destroy them But the Lord's Power blasted them all that did not come in by Repentance and Judgment And thou further sayest Let James Naylor's not Reproving his Company be a Warning to me and bid'st me Reprove my Company when they give me Titles and Honour due to the Highest c. Poor Man Is here thy Envy broken out But What are the Titles and Who are them that have given them And When and Where And whereas thou sayest Lest they that love Preheminence and Rule out-live my Time and render my VVeakness to others John Who are those that love Preheminence And What is my VVeakness that they may render it Why didst thee not mention it in thy Paper But this is from a prejudiced malicious Spirit and not from the Light of Christ to render my Weakness c. when I am Dead and in my Grave turned to Dust Nay John that which thee strikes at and thy Company and all the Evil Spirits in the World have struck at and all the Apostates before thee shall never turn it to Dust neither shall you ever get it into the Dust Glory to the Everlasting God for ever For He that Over-comes shall go no more forth and shall never Perish and he that Believeth on the Son of God hath Everlasting Life But if this be the Way of thy Preaching that the Members of the Heavenly Body turn to Dust I fear thou hast begotten none to God but into a Profession that will turn to Dust like thy self and Dust is the Meat of this Spirit that I know For I am in a Life that is over that Spirit which neither Thee nor the World cannot touch And if thou comes to be as Judas and Betray the Truth to the Priests I know what thee and they can kill if God will suffer you But I do not fear it And I must tell thee it is the Spirit of Judas the Betrayer that is gone from Truth and now would betray others from the Heavenly Body in the Eternal Fellowship in the Eternal Head For That which is Earthly is Earthly and that which is Heavenly is Heavenly And thou bidst me Be Humble as a Member of the Heavenly Body under Christ the Head c. So thou tell'st me I am a Member of Christ the Heavenly Body yet thou sayest When I am turned to Dust and Dead Is this thy Doctrine Are the Members of the Heavenly Body turned to Dust and Dead This Doctrine surely proceeds from Darkness and not from the Light of Christ And Is it to this thou wouldst have me bow and be humbled to Nay John I need none of thy Ministry and it will do no good in the State thou stands in to any For it is an Angry Malicious Froward Spirit that has possest thee And further thou bid'st me Remember the Word to Moses with the Time and Place of his Death who Sanctified not God in the Sight of Israel his People What dost thou infer from thence John That I have not Sanctified God before his People So thou hast set me above a Common Member and put me into an Office then but Must that which Sanctifies God be turned to Dust I thought John thou hadst owned Christ to be the Sanctifyer of all who is Greater than Moses and the End of Moses But John Wherein have not I Sanctified the Lord What Liberty have I given to Sin or any that are Faithful that have not followed you in your Separation Have you not taken Offence against some of them that came to Admonish such as were not Faithful amongst you and called it Over-driving them yea such as have been moved by the Spirit of God And Was it not called Popery when some went to Admonish Preston Meeting when they did not stand stedfast to the Lord And How was the Lord sanctifyed amongst you then And How was the Lord sanctifyed amongst you concerning your Paying of Tythes or your Conniving at your Wives or others Paying for you Much of which I could write concerning such like Things but I shall forbear But when you were in Strife I would have had you come over to me that you might have been brought into Unity before your Separation but you refused Nevertheless if Thee and John Story bring your Eighty Subscribers and come to me I will shew you wherein you Writings and Actions are contrary to the Light of Christ Jesus and Spirit of God by which you were Covinced in the Beginning Which had you loved the Gospel of Peace you would have come to me before you had made such a Jumble with your strife up and down the Nation For I have heard by several Faithful Friends where you have sent your Papers to prejudiced Persons against Men and Womens-Meetings and Recording Commendations and other Friends Practices which has begotten a great Dislike in Friends concerning you For what hath this been
but to stir up Strife and to sow Discord But Are not David and Manasses and Peter and many others their Sins recorded and their Repentances and Changing recorded in the Holy Scriptures And What needs John VVilkinson be afraid and trouble himself about the Recording the Condemnation of Sin and the Resurrection of the Just But Who has cursed David or Peter or any other whose Condemnation of Sin and Repentance and turning from it is Recorded or called them Apostates And What Spirit is this in John Wilkinson that would not have such Things recorded now which the Spirit of Truth recorded in former Ages Surely it is not the Spirit of God nor Light of Christ For if they be Sins private that only the Church knows them then they go no further than the Church But if they be open Sins to the World amongst Sinners then their Condemnation and Repentance must go as far as the Fact is known But if John VVilkinson be afraid lest he should be Curst and his Company and counted Apostates to Posterity if their Failings Sins and Transgressions should be Recorded Truly without your Repentance they will be Recorded and it would be well if you did Repent and Condemn them for then your Resurrection would be Recorded out of this Apostacy Else you need not question standing upon Record And they that have been led by you into a Separation and now come off from you do not bless you as several have declared So you bring that upon your selves which you think to avoid But Why shouldst Thou and You be so afraid of having your Repentance from Sin and Evil Actions recorded which you have committed in grieving God's Spirit and his People and opening the Mouthes of the World without a Fear of being Curst or counted Apostates Is this the Cause you would hide your Sins and have no Testimony given forth against you If Thou and You have such a Love to them Thou and You may keep them but the Truths Testimony will stand against all that is out of the Truth And there are Condemnations upon Record ever since 1652. so no new thing amongst us but according to the Light of Christ But the Lord knows I would have nothing but what is Pure to Rule and Reign and all Sin and Evil to be Condemned and that which is Private to be only amongst Friends and that which is Publick to be publickly Condemned to the World And if the World should say Such a one did so or so there is a Testimony upon Record that such an one was Converted and Translated to Posterity as David was from the Evil to Good and from the Darkness to the Light And had you continued in the Light of Christ Jesus and in his Spirit that led the Saints to condemn those Evils which are Recorded in Scripture and to Glorify God in their Resurrection you would never have been in Opposition against the Church of Christ's Practice now in such things by the same Spirit you call it a New Way And that which would not have Sin and Evil condemned and condemns that which Records it is for Condemnation For instead of being Curst as thou sayest them that do condemn Sin and Evil and arise out of that which is condennied and this being Recorded to Posterity the Church and their Relations can testify to their Change and their Dying in the Lord. But I am sorry for you the Lord God of Heaven knows that you should dishonour the Lord God and his Truth and People in the North and have separated from the Light and Spirit that did first Convince you For had you been in the Love and Spirit you would have been in the same Love in the same Gentleness and Meekness and Wisdom that is pure and easie to be intreated as it was in the Beginning And so you have lost that Glory that was in the Beginning and your Nakedness is discovered that the Priests Justices and Drunkards can say That the Quakers are Separate one from another And look into your selves if there be not a Froward Stubborn Self-willed Spirit and Rough and Short that now may talk of the Light of Christ and of the Spirit and would have Liberty but is to be Reproved and well it would be for you if you would turn at the Reproof And whereas thou speakest of a Way of coming into Unity Alack for thee If thou wast in the Universal Spirit and Power of God that is over All thou wouldst not make such a Noise about Imposition For indeed it is the very Spirit of Imposition in Thee and You that does not know what it would be at it self nor to what to bring others And much I could say as to that But that whereby you may come into Unity it must be in the Unlimited Power and Spirit and Light that did first Convince you and brought you into Unity and Meeting without Prescription of your Elders or Deacons or your Members So your Way to come into Unity is to come to the Light and Spirit that did first Convince you and Judge and Condemn this Spirit that hath led you into Separation with all its Works since And then in that Spirit there is no Fear of Imposition but Everlasting Unity in the Everlasting Seed that bruises the Head of the Serpent and all his Sons of Belial that are without the Yoak and are afraid of it Now there are them that would not be Yoaked with the Law of God nor with the Gospel nor with the Word of God which is a Hammer and a Fire and this is counted Imposition by such to be Yoaked and Hammered down and to be Reproved and Rebuked and Admonished this is Imposition and Over-driving though the Power and Spirit of the Everlasting God leads to it which Spirit of God sanctifies and exalts God with a sanctifyed Spirit and reproves all that which dishonours him or would defile and walks not in the Spirit by which the Body of Christ is Baptized and made to drink into And the Spirit of God charged and warned and reproved all the Unruly and charged the Faithful to stand fast and Admonished as in the Scriptures may be plentifully seen And what Is this Imposition and Force think you which God's Spirit led the Prophets and Apostles unto and had no Fellowship but with them that Walked in the same Spirit Or Will you say There is not the same Holy-Ghost now as was then Yes I must tell you the same and all that keep in it are in the Holy and Eternal Fellowship and it leads to the same Practice now as then And all such as the Apostles admonished to have no Fellowship withal as in their Epistles and in Jude Might not those have cryed Imposition as well as you And whereas thou speakest of a New Way and a New Form carryed on with Church-Authority c. This is the Priests Old Spirit that used to tell us of our New Way and Where was our Religion Twenty Years ago But
the Gospel of Peace and in the Wisdom that is peaceable you would have sought the Peace or come to me as I desired You before these things broke out as I said before but you are of a High Lofty Spirit which those Vertues are over it and they and the Truth remain in themselves and amongst them that have right to them but they have little place in You till you come to that which will bring you to Condemn all the contrary For though you think you may get ease by Scribling and Writing but that will not ease you for what you Sow that you must Reap for had they had place in You you would have been preserved in Peace My love is to all that fear God and retain their First Simplicity in the Humility the Foundation of God that stands sure My writing so largely has been for the sake of the Simple which Thou mayst Communicate to them that they may Hear Fear and Consider The 16 th of the 10 th M on 1676. George Fox Though the above-written Answer given by G. F. to John Wilkinson be in it self very remote from a Pertinent Answer to John Wilkinson's last recited Letter and cannot but be very obvious to many without Observations and Answers to any Part thereof Yet for the sakes of some that may be more Weak we think it needful to make some few Observations and short Reply unto some Part thereof The Purport of John Wilkinson's Letter we take to be chiefly that G. F. might manifest Two Things viz. First Wherein John Wilkinson John Story and such as G. F. might account their Company were separated from the Light of Christ within the Doctrine of Truth or had builded again the Things which they once destroyed Secondly That G. F. might clear himself that he approves of no Force about Religion but the Force and Effect of the Word delivered G. F's chief Matter as we take it produced against them is this How is the Lord sanctifyed amongst you concerning your Paying of Tythes or your Conniving at your Wives or others Paying for you This amounts to a plain Accusation against John Wilkinson others amongst whom it may reasonably be taken that he means John Story for one Tythe-Payers either by themselves directly or else by their Conniving at others Paying for them 'T is no marvel that G. F. is so generally Reputed amongst Friends far and near to report that John Story and John Wilkinson are Tythe-Payers since he hath written with Relation to John Wilkinson c. touching Tythe as afore-said But though he hath so done yet 't is a notorious Falshood and Untruth for John Wilkinson hath not only been a great Sufferer for Tythes but also was never known to evade his Testimony in the least or that his Wife or any for him ever paid * We are now sensible the Reader may be ready to query Whether there be no Pretence to render John Wilkinson a Tythe-Payer To this we answer We never understood any other Pretence that such as have Accused him thereof have made when narrowly examined but this viz. That he payeth Tythe-Male-Silver and whether that can he such a just Occasion as to render him a Tythe-Payer by which he is taken to be a Man that hath no Testimony against Tythes as a Maintenance for the Priests we shall leave to the Consciences of Vnprejudiced Readers when they have in the Light of Christ throughly weighed the ‖ Note The said Testimony is in this Treatise already Cited Testimony of John Wilkinson John Story Recorded in the Fourth Section of this Second Part of * Meaning the aforesaid Manuscript mentioned in the Preface to the First Part of the Christian-Quaker this Treatise and compared the same with this ensuing Testimony given under the Hand of John Wilkinson in relation to the Payment of Tythe-Male-Silver his Tythes And as to John Story he never was in a Capacity to bear any Testimony therein being a Single Man not managing any Estate in his Possession more than by Declaration against that Oppression AS to Tythe-Male-Silver payable by me John Wilkinson I say That I pay Two Shillings Seven Pence yearly termed on my Deed Tythe-Male-Silver and that the same I alwayes paid ever since I enjoyed my Land and that the said Sum is under Fine as the rest of the Rent to the King is And this Fine hath been enjoyned on the Possessor in former Deeds and that on the Death of a Tenant the next Taker is Finable for the same And I never did understand that there ever was any Deed of Purchase of Tythes for the Lands I enjoy nor yet that the afore-said Sum of Two Shillings Seven Pence was ever paid in lieu of Tythes nor that any Friend accounted me an Offender for paying the same until of late But though this be the State of my Case yet I know others of my Neighbours possessing Lands of another Hold are lyable to pay a small Sum termed Tythe-Male-Silver or Composition-Money and in Default of Payment are lyable to Tythe in kind and such have Deeds of Purchase for Tythe wherein such Composition-Money is expressed But that is not my Case Witness my Hand this 3d. of the 12th Month 1678. John Wilkinson which he hath often done and in particular both of them gave in a Testimony in Writing of their Clearness in that Particular both as to Judgment and Practice And yet notwithstanding this Falshood hath undoubtedly been a great Means by which G. F. hath obtained many Proselytes on his Side to oppose John Wilkinson and John Story as Tythe-Payers and so Consequently Apostates and Dark Spirits The Lord rebuke that Evil Spirit that hath entred the Leader of many People to cause them through the Belief of Lyes to err And as to G. F's so frequent telling them That they are Separated from the Inward Light and Spirit c. that falls of it self being proved by no Convincing Instance greater than this his Saying viz. If not you would have been at Unity with me as at first And whereas G. F. tells John Wilkinson That he is of an Angry Disquieted Froward Peevish Pretful Malicious High ‖ Note As to the words High and Lofty Spirit with Application to John Wilkinson by G. F. we think it needful to give a Character of John Wilkinson and likewise of G. F. according to their Deserts and leave it to the Consciences of Impartial Readers to consider which of them deserves to be termed of a High and Losty Spirit John Wilkinson when he was first Convinc'd of Truth had an Estate of Tenant-Right Land valued between Fifteen and Twenty Pounds per Annum and ever since at Times and Seasons when he is at Home exercises himself in Bodily Labour sometimes at Plow and sometimes otherwise He also hath ever since kept his Family to labour and so hath Lived handsomly according to the manner of his Country upon his Estate which he hath kept in his own Hand
and managed the same by his own and Families Labour having no more nor less Land than at first nor yet is his outward Estate added to or diminished from since that time to the Value of Twenty-Five Rounds to this Day He Travels often alone without a Companion but at all times without any Attendant as his proper Servant and contented with the meanest of Meats and Drinks that the Houses wherein he usually Lodged afforded His Conversation lowly and meek And takes not upon him to give forth an Outward Directory for the Children of Light to walk by nor yet was ever known to write to any That if they were in the Light and Power of God they would come to him when he sent for them As to G. F. He was a poor Shoe-maker and of mean Parentage having very little if any Outward Estate at all that never as we can understand set up his Trade but work't Journey-works For his Meanness he neither was nor is Despised as we know of for that cannot savour of a Christian Spirit Since his first Coming forth we never have understood that he hath Laboured with his Hands at his Lawful Calling or any other but are well satisfied that at teast for many Years past whether in Bonds or at Liberty he hath not Since his first Coming forth he hath marryed Judge Fell's Widdow of Lancashire When he Travels 't is certainly known he hath had such Attendance which considering the Work he is on may be termed Great as well as when resident in some Places and not on Travel and of late hath Travelled with a Man termed George Fox's Man And as to Enjoyment of Things that are Lawful in the Creation that may be termed Necessary for the Ease of the Body and Pleasure of the Palate it is certainly known that G. F. hath often freely made use thereof when to be had in a manifold larger Degree than John Wilkinson so far as we can understand ever did Moreover G. F. by a Letter written unto William Rogers dated Swarthmore the 14th of the 11th Month 1676. thus writes I tell thee Them that thou calls Accused are not Right for had they been Right and in the Light and Power of God as at the first they would have come to me when I sent for them that all those Things which have made such a Noise might have been fairly ended in the North and not have troubled any in the South Those whom William Rogers termed Accused are John Wilkinson and John Story and some of the Matters whereof John Story was Accused were Acted in the South and so no reason to come to G. F. or any to have them Judged in the North. We now query Whether G. F. is not hereby manifested to be a Man of so High and Losty a Spirit as to endeavour to Assume unto himself a Power to Judge of all Cases amongst Friends even from North to South and that such who will not come unto him at Swarthmore in Lancashire for that end when he sends for them are not lyable to be Censured to be wrong and departed from the Light and Power of God Which being compared with what is written in a Marginal-Note in the ‖ Meaning the afore-said Manuscript Ninth Section gives us occasion to query Whether there be not just Cause to conclude or at least to be Jealous That G. F. looks upon himself Invested with Power to Judge all Causes amongst the Children of Light in this Day as Moses was amongst the Children of Israel in his Day Lofty Spirit of his Making a Jumble he brings forth nothing Convincingly to manifest the same So those Evil Qualifications fall to the Ground But yet G. F's Letter evidently shews that 't was his own State when he writ his afore-said Letter For had he not been of a High and Lofty Spirit he would not have reflected on them several times as not loving the Gospel of Peace because they came not to him especially since 't was not evident to their Consciences that he was free from having a Hand in the Occasion of that Strife touching which he would have had them come to him The End whereof was as we suppose that they might have submitted to his Sentence or Judgment therein Besides if he accounted them gone astray Why did he not act the Part of a Good Shepherd according to the Parable Leaving the Ninety Nine to seek that which was Lost and seek after them that so if such as he esteemed them to be they might be again Restored Had he so done it would have denoted more his Humility and Tenderness than his bare saying as in his Letter he doth Poor Men and People For my part I pitty you I am sorry for you And yet in the same Letter threatens them That their Failings Sins and Transgressions without their Repentance will he Recorded Which Threatning seems very unbecoming him not only because he hath never manifested his Readiness to Condemn his own Transgressions or to Assent to their Recording though they are very Notorious as in this Treatise is largely manifested but also because he seems to allow unto them Liberty to continue therein Else Why should he use in the said Letter such an Expression as this If Thou and You have such a Love to them you may keep them meaning their Sins as the fore-going Words plainly shew Which being but duly considered together with what hereafter follows of the other Parts of his Letter he hath made to use his own Language such a Jumble as in Reason we cannot take him if it be just to measure his Meaning by his Words heartily to desire their Repentance if so fallen as he took them to be nor yet that he was free from the Characters he assigns to John VVilkinson viz. An Angry Disquieted Froward Peevish Fretful Malicious Spirit when he brought forth his said Letter so full of Impertinencies invective Expressions undeservedly and remote from the Matter which in a Tender and Christian Spirit was his due to have kept unto that so far as he was Capable he might have removed Stumbling-Blocks out of their way and not have added a New Occasion of Offence as if he above all the rest of the Sons of Men was Priviledged to cast Stumbling-Blocks before God's People and yet not be accountable for such Unchristian-like Actions unto Christ our Lord and Master who said Wo unto him by whom Offences come As to the Second Particular viz. That G. F. might clear himself that he approves of no Force about Religion but the Force and Effect of the Word delivered we say That G. F. hath not writ one word in all his large Reply to satisfy Friends in that Particular which doubtless he would have done if he could have said any thing that might have cleared that Matter to the Satisfaction of such Friends as were wise in the Wisdom that 's from Above as well as what he hath so largely done for the Sakes of the Simple
who indeed must be very Simple Foolish and Blockish if what G. F. hath written be taken by them either for a Pertinent Friendly or Christian Answer to so Seasonable Tender and Christian a Letter because the most Pertinent Matter offered by him as Answer thereto is this As to thy Fear of making Force in Religion there is nothing but what is Pure can come into it Alack for thee If thou wast in the Universal Spirit c. thou wouldst not make such a Noise about Imposition for indeed it is the very Spirit of Imposition in Thee and You that does not know what it would be at it self nor to what to bring others And much I could say as to that We now appeal to God's Witness in all Whether Men endued with that Wisdom which is from Above can be at Unity with such a Scossing Shaffling Impertinent Answer wherein doubtless there is not less than Three or Four Falshoods and Untruths in Two or Three Lines The First we take to be contained in these Words For indeed it 's the very Spirit of Imposition in thee The Second in these words That does not know what it would be at it self The Third in these words Nor to what to bring others And if what he hath written by way of Reflection in his Letter is written as grounded on John Wilkinson's Letter to him as it seems to be being Answer thereto then there seems a Fourth Untruth contained in these words Thou wouldst not make such a Noise about Imposition when as there is not one word about Imposition in all John Wilkinson's Letter Now as to John Wilkinson with respect to these Slanders we have this to say Our Experience tells us he is not of an Imposing Spirit unless Preaching the Word of Life and Commending it to the Conscience may be termed such which cannot be and hath approved himself wise in that Wisdom that is from Above and so knows what he would be at and unto what to bring others as his Doctrine and Conversation hath largely manifested amongst us 'T is to be observed that John Wilkinson in his aforesaid Letter on the Occasion of G. F's reflecting upon him John Story and others That they will become as bad as James Naylor and Muggleton c. If they give not over their Separation thus writes to G. F. If James Naylor's Opposition consisted in not Reproving his Company when they bowed to him and cryed Hosanna Let it be a Warning to thee and reprove thy Company when they give thee the Titles and Honour due to the Highest lest they that love Preheminence and Rule out-live thy time and render thy weakness to others as thou hast done his when thou art Dead and in thy Grave and turned to Dust therefore be humble as a Member of the Heavenly Body under Christ the Head On this occasion G. F. writes these following Sentences But this is from a prejudiced malicious Spirit and not from the Light of Christ to Render my Weakness when I am in my Grave turned to Dust c. Nay John that which thou strikest at and thy Company and all the evil Spirits in the VVorld have struck at and all the Apostates before thee shall never turn it to Dust But if this be the way of thy Preaching that the Members of the Heavenly Body turn to Dust I fear thou hast begotten none to God So thou tells me I am a Member of the Heavenly Body yet thou say'st when I am turned to Dust and Dead surely this Doctrine proceeds from Darkness and not from the Light of Christ And is it to this thou wouldst have me to bow and be humbled Nay John I need none of thy Ministry it is an Angry Malicious Froward Spirit that hath possest thee On these Sentences we thus Observe that they shew Malice Envy Perversion and Ignorance or Darkness By his own Rule his Prejudice and Malice appears in rendring James Naylors weakness and not only therein but in joyning John Wilkinson with All the Evil Spirits in the VVorld whose Doctrine Life and Conversation so far as ever we knew in all manner of Godliness and Honesty hath since his Convincement of Truth rendred him worthy of double Honour amongst many of his Brethren and his name G. F's Envy can never as we are perswaded blot out but rather gives an occasion to add to the Number of G. F's Transgressions and Errours which are so numerous on Record in ‖ Meaning the afore said Monuscript this Treatise as that could it be made appear that John Wilkinson was but Guilty of the one Half thereof we should be ashamed to own him until he had repented before the Lord But much more should we disown him if instead of Repenting in such a Case he should run at those as Evil Spirits that should for the Clearing of their Consciences spread his Errours before him which hath been G. F.'s common Practice and is now worthily Recorded as a Testimony against his Errours and Transgressions that the Simple-hearted may no longer be betrayed either by his Fair Speeches Threats or Frowns As to his treating on the word Dust by way of Reffection on John Wilkinsons Ministry and that from John Wilkinsons sound words the impartial Reader may easily discern his Perversion in concluding that John Wilkinson tells him he is a Member of the heavenly Body which doth not follow from John Wilkinson's Words Be humble as a Member of the heavenly Body no more than it follows that a Disciple of Christ is Christ because Luke tells us Whosoever will be a perfect Disciple shall be as his Master As to his Ignorance or Darkness 't is thus Manifested G. F's aforesaid Sentences cannot be a sound Answer to any thing writ by John Wilkinson which it ought to have been unless G. F. concludes that that Visible Body called George Fox shall not turn to Dust because John willinson writ not his Letter to G. F. with an intent that that outward Body called George Fox which must turn to Dust was not to be concerned therewith Moreover 't is to be observed what ever G. F's Judgment in that case be when he writ to John VVilkinson he was willing to keep it to himself because he doth not plainly acknowledge that his Body shall ever turn to Dust but positively saith That which John Wilkinson strikes at shall never turn it to Dust his meaning he best knows but yet this we know 't was needful enough to have explained his meaning because the Apostle tells us 1 Cor. 6.13 15 19. The body is not for Fornication Know ye not that your Bodies are the Members of Christ shall I then take the Members of Christ and make them the Members of an Harlot God forbid know you not that your Body is the Temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you whom you have of God and you are not your own And 2 Cor. 4.11 That the Life of Jesus might be made Manifest in your mortal Bodies We
now Query of G. F. whether these Bodies which the Apostle Paul termed the Members of Christ's Body were not the same in which the Holy Ghost dwells and the Life of Jesus was manifested And if so then according to the Apostles Doctrine Mortal and convertible unto Dust And whether or no an exclusion of all mortal Bodses whatsoever from being concerned as Members of the Church which is Christs Body be not the very ready way whereby all Liberty and Looseness that 's pleasing to the mortal Body may be Indulged and Nourished And not only so but whether the Men and VVomens Meetings will not Fall of Course and so no such Places where those who as George Fox saith are Heires of the Power may go to in Order to the taking of their Possessions as George Foxe's Language in his aforesaid Letter is 'T is further to be observed that G. F. hath not yet done with these VVords turned to Dust but proceeding asketh John Wilkinson this Question Must that which Sanctifieth God be turned to Dust I thought John thou hadst owned Christ to be the Sanctifier of all who is greater than Moses and the End of Moses but John wherein have not I Sanctified the Lord To this we Answer If G. F. who is a Mortal Man was capable to Sanctify the Lord as in his own Sense by his following VVords he seemes to be why doth he so impertinently let his Pen run by way of Reflection on John Wilkinson for using Scripture-Language so seasonable and so pertinent as he did Doubtless the Reason was a Fretful Peevish Angry Spirit then possest G. F. So that we may in his own Language used in his Letter to John VVilkinson say to him 'T is a Spirit that doth not know what it would be at it self but if G. F. had not been Capable to sanctify the Lord he is Manifested a Scoffer to ask the afore-said Question viz. But John wherein have not I Sanctified the Lord However let his Mind Sense Meaning or End in so Querying be what it will we shall undertake to give thereto this Answer viz. G. F. hath not Sanctified the Lord in writing his Book of VVomens Meetings which consists of Ninety Six Pages in Octavo and in all the Book throughout we do not find above half a side and that also scattered here and there that treats of that Service for which the Meetings of VVomen were chiefly understood to be held and that the Drift and Scope of the rest of the Book seems to be chiefly for Proof of Womens Offering Sacrifices Preaching Teaching Exhorting Admonishing Prophesying Governing Judging Singing Dancing Playing upon Musick and that Micah's Mother an Idolatrous VVoman spoken of Judges 17th was a Vertuous one and that the Assemblies of the Women did continue amongst the Jewes till they went into Transgression but yet Quotes for Proof of the last Assertion only 2 Kings 23. which mentions nothing to his purpose of VVomens Meetings more than that good King Josiah broke down the Houses of the Sodomites that were in the House of the Lord where the VVomen wove Hangings for the Groves which good King Josiah burnt Neither do we believe that he hath Sanctified the Lord in Accusing John VVilkinson and John Story for Tyth-Payers or Conniving at others Paying for them as in his aforesaid Letter he as we take it doth though they are therein esteemed to be greatly Abused and Mis-represented and we never understood it could be proved against them But that which aggravates G. F's Sin is That he hath been guilty of Advising Two Persons to buy their Tythes which is equal to a Continual Payment viz. Nathaniel Crips of the County of Glocester for one and Robert Arch living but a few Miles from the said Crips for another as they are ready to testify unto any Enquiring Reader and as in the Twenty-First Section of ‖ Note 'T is the Second Part of the Manuscript first mentioned in the Preface to the First Part. this Second Part by their Testimonies appears G. F. tells John Wilkinson thus But that whereby you may come into Unity it must be in the unlimited Power and Spirit and Light that did first Convince you and brought you into Unity and meeting without Prescription of your Elders or Deacons or your Members So your way to come into Unity is to come to the Light and Spirit that did first Convince you and judge and condemn this Spirit that hath led you into Separation with all its Works since and then in that Spirit there is no fear of Imposition And in another Place of the said Letter G. F. saith I told you That if you did not come to that which did first Convince you and bring all others whom you had drawn into a Separation with you to condemn it the Blood of all them would be required at your Hands And that was and is the Word of Truth to you and will stand and is sealed These Sentences of G. F. do lead us unto these necessary Observations First That the Way to come into Unity is to come to the Unlimited Spirit and Light that did first Convince them and bring them into Unity had G. F. ended his Method for Unity here he would have said that which would have Answered Gods Witness in our Consciences but though he talks of coming to the Unlimitted Spirit yet his following Language seemes a Design so far as he is Capable to limit the Spirit by adding these Words viz. and Judge and Condemn this Spirit that hath led you into a Separation with all its Works since by which Comparing his said Words with his aforesaid Letter to John Wilkinson and John Story dated the 23 d. of the 8 th Moneth 76. we take him to mean all those Dapers given forth since the Outward Separation which being without any Exception and Compared with the Matters occasioning the said Outward Separation seems to Import that in G. F's Sense the Antient Friends of Truth must of necessity be departed from the Light and Spirit if they cannot Conform to some Outward Methods in relation to the Management of some outward Affaires that some of his troublesome Party would Impose on the Chosen Friends for the outward Services of Truth Oh Grosse Darkness But that which seems to manifest his Darkness yet more gross is this his Letter to John Wilkinson Informs us That such meaning as his Words to us Import such with whom he is at Unity need no Outward Prescriptions that is written with the Spirit of God in one anothers Hearts to gather them withal On this we observe that unless another thing preserves those who are gathered than that which gathered them there is then no need of Outward Prescriptions for those that are gathered unto whom only the Government contended for reacheth and if so which in Truth cannot be denyed why must these Antient Friends who have been Convinced by the Light and Spirit of God be Reckoned had and such whom God will Blast
unless they call in all their Papers which were chiefly given forth to Vindicate themselves as not departed from the Truth though they could not be subject to Impositions or Prescriptions of others G. F's Confusion doth not End here but is further Manifested in these Words viz. without Prescriptions of your Elders because 't was his own Counsel at the beginning of Mens Meetings to choose particular Persons for that service agreeable to which Advice the Elders he now strikes at were Chosen and yet in a scoffing manner reflects on the Words Chosen Men and on the departure of others when their Message is told and as if that very Order were worse than any Assizes Sessions and Courts As to the departure of others immediately after their Message is told we are perswaded was never proposed by those called Separate whil'st any coming thither had any Concern upon them as matter proper for the Meeting to take notice of nor yet to Exclude any Friends that were free to stay after they had delivered their Message For which Perswasion sufficient ground is given unto us from the writing of those called Separatists in the 11th Section of this ‖ Meaning the Second Part of the aforesaid Manuscript second Part in these words viz. We indeed Declare and Testify that our Sense and Meaning in what we proposed formerly to Reunite the Meetings was not to hinder any Friends of staying in the Meetings who behaved themselves Men of Peace as we Testified unto them in our Reply to their Answer to our Proposals but such as inclined to cause Offences with rash Censures and false Judgments which hath made and will make Divisions contrary to the Doctrine we have Learned If they had Objected against any thing in Love which we proposed and with respect to the Honour of Truth given us any Reason of its inconveniency if we could not have Convinced them of the Inconveniency thereof with Weightier Reasons we should readily have Consented unto them We now desire the impartial Reader seriously to Consider whether our Perswasion aforesaid is not on sufficient Ground And if so then 't is plain G. F. Reflects on his own Church-Order as his Term is as worse than any Courts Assizes or Sessions by which we may in his own Language to John Wilkinson say That he knows not what he would be at if his Words and Writings may be taken to be his Real meaning at all times but as to that we have no cause so to Conclude because we from this and other his Words Writings and Actions are sufficiently satisfied that he Concludes all wrong and gone from the Light and Spirit that are not at Unity with what he saith Acteth and bringeth forth though it be ever so Repugnant to Truth and grounded on ever so false a Report and Scandal And so though he talks of the Unlimited Spirit yet we are perswaded he would Limit every one to be subject to his Spirit and that if they have not Faith therein they are wrong and in a separate Spirit from the Light and Spirit by which they were first Convinc'd And on this Foot we do not question but he concludes every one Wrong that Conscientiously may ask him any Questions for their Information or Satisfaction touching him concluding that it doth spring from a Jealous Spirit that ought not to be satisfied The last thing we think meet to take notice of in his aforesaid Letter is this he Repeats John Wilkinson's Words thus And whereas thou speakest of a new Way and a new Form and carryed on with Church-Authority c. And then in part of his Answer thus saith for I know no new Way nor new Form carried on with Church-Authority as thou reproachfully sayest but hear thou hast manifested thy separate Spirit and Mind This manifests unto us that G. F. to use his own Language doth so Jumble that he knows not what he would be at for Men and Womens Meetings are and as we take it in his Sense accounted the Church and what they carry on is accounted to be carryed on by the Power whereof G. F. accounts them Heirs which is the Authority of the Church That now this Church have introduced New Forms or else G. F. hath introduced New Forms amongst them which they as a Church and under the Pretence of Authority do bring forth we are satisfied is as certainly known to G. F. as G. F. is known to any one And therefore his Denyal that he knows of no New Form carryed on with Church-Authority is taken by us to be an absolute Quibble Shift or Shuffle if not a plain down-right Falshood and Untruth Having thus observed on G. F's Letter as afore-said we desire the Reader seriously to weigh in the Light of Christ Jesus the Observations made thereon and then we doubt not but every such Reaer will have this Answer in his own Breast That what G. F. hath written by way of Reply to John Wilkinson could not be given forth from the Spirit of the Lord which cannot Lye but is rather the Fruit either of Ignorance Pride Scorn and Disdain in the best Sense 'T is a common and tude Saying Prids oft times goes before a Fall That G. F. is Fallen is manifestly proved in ‖ Note 'T is meant of the Manuscript first mentioned in the Preface to the First Part. this Treatise if being guilty of Error and Matters of Eyil Fact may be accounted sufficient Proof And that he hath been of so Proud a Spirit as to expect a sort of Reverence and Submission to him which the Truth could not own we doubt not May the Lord open his Eyes to behold his Errors and give him Repentance that so in a Sense thereof he may Confess to the Glory of God and Rejoycing of his Faithful and Antient Friends Though G. F. in his before-cited Answer unto John Wilkinson seems to take Notice of the Receipt but of One Letter yet so it was that John Wilkinson for the further clearing of his Conscience writ another Letter unto G. F. suddenly after whose Copy now followeth George Fox WIth the Truth of God in my Heart I have of late been greatly concerned in the Remembrance of thee in whom God appeared in the Beginning of the Day of Life and reached unto us with his Word who gave us Faith to believe and to receive thy Testimony thou gave of his Light in our Hearts which gathered us into Vnity with him and one with another and made us of the Church of the First-Born or of the First Fruits unto God continuing many Years in Love and Good-Will one to another But of late Dayes the Concord we once had seems much to be broken and many Instruments whom God hath wrought by and in great Love have laboured together but of late time have greatly Iarred And the Cause God hath manifested to me That it is not in Principles of Truth nor in Christ's Doctrine nor in any Practice which Truth in the Members
the Citation out of the 15th Section of the 2d part of the said Manuscript To the aforesaid Answer and Queries given by me G.F. made a Reply with a False Certificate as hereafter will be mentioned annexed thereto by John Blaykling unto which I writ a Rejoynder and caused the same to be copyed and sent unto him And forasmuch as some other Abuses laid at G. F's door are together with my Rejoinder mentioned in the 21th Section of the 2d part of the Manuscript beforeeited I think it needful to insert not only my Rejoinder to G. F. but also some other part of the said Section pertinent on this Occasion with the Omission of some Names for the Reasons mentioned in the Preface to the 1st part which now follows ON the 21th of the first Month 1678. Was delivered me a Manuscript subscribed G. F. with a Testimony and Postscript subscribed John Blaykling What is therein written and subscribed G. F. is a Reply to an Answer that I gave toa Paper given forth by G. F. dated the 4th Month 1678. which was read in the Mens Meeting of Friends in the City of Bristol And forasmuch as G. F. hath laid down two False Assertions on which he seems to build the greatest part if not all of those things which he concludes are False Charges I shall apply my self to manifest those two False Assertions and so the Force of his six sheets of Paper in answer to one of mine will for the most part if not altogether fall to the ground as such an impertinent idle discourse that 's nauseous to men of Honesty and endued with Understanding unless it be the Fruit of Understanding and Honesty which I know is not nor can be to give credit unto the words of a Man detectable of many Lyes from the sight of his own Reply and compared with what he pretends to Answer Moreover 't is observable that he not only praiseth himself at a high rate but also vilifieth and scandalizeth others in general terms and sometimes in particular and yet brings no proof for either to me it appears that his best skill to answer any thing is of late so manifested which cannot but be obvious to every impartial Eye that shall throughly peruse and ponder his Answer to me G. F's first False Assertion hinted at as before is contained in these his words viz. My Paper is an Epistle to Friends which thou confessest is an Exhortation in itself good To this I Reply this Sentence and Assertion is False and not to be found in my Answer to him my own words relating to an Exhortation in itself good is in my Answer to be found only in these two Sentences viz. The above-recited Paper I take to be wholly made up of Queries to all those that make away their Estates for fear of the Spoilers in time of Persecution excepting this one Sentence of Exhortation Do you not distrust and despair of God Almighty his Protecting and Delivering you with his Almighty Power to the Exhortation I say it is in itself good c. Which plainly relates to that one sentence which I took to be an Exhortation but not to all his Paper which he terms an Epistle to Friends From G. F's words viz. An Epistle to Friends such as have not heard what is contained in the said paper may be apt to conclude that it contains something of Exhortation Counsel Doctrine Instruction Teaching Prophesying or Prayer or at least some Sentences which imports his being then exercised in some or one of the aforementioned spiritual gifts but no such thing is therein found more than what may be pretended from the aforesaid sentence of Exhortation as I took it but that Sentence may also be taken for a Query as well as an Exhortation And as to the rest of the paper 't is all Queries which gives me occasion to ask this question viz. Whether such a Paper can properly be called an Epistle to Friends in Truth especially since 't is easily savoured that those he writes to are such as in his esteem are exercised in the spirit of the World that lusteth to Envy for so his words clearly import if one of his Queries and the beginning of his paper be compared the beginning of his paper runs thus Friends all you that do make away or over your Estates c. and then about the middle of his queries thus saith Whether this spirit that doth so is not the Spirit of the World that doth lust to Envy To conclude as to this False Assertion G F. hath scattered the substance thereof in at least eight several places in his Answer to me which to speak in plain and vulgar Language is one downright Lye told eight times over and since in the second Page of the said Manuscript he seems to imply that I have not been Civil and Ingenuous as a Man I now appeal to all ingenuous Readers whether this his Action shews any degree of Civility or Ingenuity either as a Man or Christian The second False Assertion before hinted at I thus manifest I proposed Thirteen Queries to him after I had answered the substance of his Queries and having so done I then proceeded to add and that in a distinct Paragraph from the Queries these few following lines viz. The aforesaid queries my desire is that thou George Fox mayest answer that so the simple-hearted Friends may plainly know what thy Iudgment is in things of this nature for I have cause to believe that many such are at this day drawn into the Belief and Practice of some things for which they have no sufficient ground from the Conviction of Conscience in themselves but rather as prompted thereto by such who are like unto those who lay heavy Burthens on others which they themselves will not touch with their little fingers but blessed be the Lord there are Eyes that see and do perceive there are Ears that hear and do understand and have boldness and Confidence given them of the Lord to stand in the Gap as Witnesses against such who cry against Fleers in time of Persecution and yet are Fleers at such times themselves that blame others for securing of their Goods from the Spoilers and yet Secure their own that prompt the Poor to offer up their ALL and yet take Care to advise the Rich to secure their Estates that cry against others as Unruly because they will not be subject to them and yet think themselves not obliged to be subject to any Rule but their own that reâ—â—â—ite against Libertines and yet take Liberty to Backbite Slander and False Accuse that declare against Tale-bearers and yet be the chief Nourishers and Uphoiders of such that bear witness against Wickedness and Dark Spirits and yet be so dark as to record an Idolatrous Woman for a Virtuous one and as it 's said to try the Bad Spirits that cry against loesness and yet be so loose as to quote a meeting of Men and Women where Lewdness was
guilty of so much Evil as G. F. hath unjustly charged me with rendring me intending that which never was my Meaning nor yet the Import of my Words as plainly appears by his concluding that all my Queries are Charges though as before is hinted I would not have any think I asked one Question groundless and that I accounted his Paper of Queries which he terms an Epistle to be in itself a good Exhortation And since he writes that he gave away something that descended to him by Birth-Right I think it needful on this Occasion to tell him that it hath been credibly Reported that John Story hath been judged by him or at least by some of the Party with him for giving unto his Mother the Rent of a small Estate that his Kinsman gave him saying John Story should have kept the Estate in his own Hands or at least got a Tenant that would not have paid Tithes that so a Testimony might have been kept up against Tythes Which occasions me to query of G.F. if he was concerned in this matter whether he might not by that Rule be worthy censure for giving away something that descended to him by Birth-Right and whether it might not as well have been his duty to have kept the same to have born a Testimony in the Case of Tythes as well as John Story 's Duty so to have done In part of my twelfth Query 't is thus written Whether or no a suffering for the Testimony of such a False Prophet as Solomon Eccles hath proved himself to be as is manifest by his Prophesying John Story 's Death within a year and since expired can be called a suffering for the Gospel of Christ To the twelfth Query a part of G. F's Answer is on this wise Here is another of thy deceitful Queries but where the Deceit lies he doth not inform me neither do I understand wherein he placeth the Deceit especially since G. F. in his particular Answer thereto doth not say he was a true Prophet but yet signifies thus much in his favour That he would not have him made an Offender for words since he acknowledged them and this appears from G. F's own Words on this Occasion viz. And it is not right to make a man an Offender for Words if he acknowledge them as I perceive Solomon Eccles hath done I now recommend the aforesaid Query and Answer to the Consiration of every Impartial Reader doubting not but all such will find George Fox detectable of another plain downright Lye since he hath with respect to all my Queries thus said as before is cited I know them to be all False and Mavicious Charges For a further Manifestation of that Spirit which led G. F. in his Reply to me I think it needful to take further notice of those his words viz. And it is not right to make a man an Offender for words if he acknowledge them Doubtless G. F. intended this as a Reproof to me in terming Solomon Eccles a False Prophet What in and out babling is this when he durst not in Plain Down-Right termes say He was no False Prophet nor yet say that he was on this Occasion made an Offender for a Word by me For if we say It is not right to make a man an Offender for words if he acknowledge them the Meaning thereof in common sense and according to a Christian Spirit is this that if a Man's Words express not his Meaning and he so declares when he is charged therewith Then if he say that was not my Meaning 't is not right to insist on a Man's Words in such a Case to make him an Offender but what 's this to Solomon Eccles who after he had written and given forth his Prophesie to continue as that which he would stand by did not pretend that he had not exprest himself according to his Meaning and therefore the words of G. F. as aforesaid seem but a deceitful Contrivance to cover a False Prophet Moreover 't is observable that G. F. doth not say that Solomon Eccles hath acknowledged that his VVords were VVrong 'T is also to be noted that the Words so spoken by G.F. in Relation to this False Prophet Solomon Eccles seem to be grounded on the Words spoken by the Prophet Isaiah 29.21 That make a Man an Offender for a Word which by the Scope of the said Chapter seems to relate unto the True Prophets and hath been so expounded and were not intended as a Defence for such False Prophets as Solomon Eccles hath proved himself to be who thereby had offended many Brethren especially in the City of Bristol where he publish'd his False Prophesie who therefore on that Occasion have had something against him which occasions me to query of G. F. whether he did not approve of this False Prophet's going beyond the Sea in the work of the Ministry and if so Whether he hath done well to encourage such a False Prophet in such a Service until such time that he had known that he had been reconciled unto his Brethren whom he had offended But if G. F. shall deny that he did Encourage him I then say for 't is best to be plain that such a Denial is like to have little Place with me whilst G. F. appears as of late he hath not only because G. F. seems to publish Lyes as it were by Heaps but also because 't is very improbable that he who had so great an Esteem for G. F. as to many is known he had should go in such a Service without his Approbation However such a Denial may reasonably occasion an Answer to this Query Whether G. F. hath been as industrious to bar the door against Solomon Eccles. in offering his Gift as he and others have been against John Story and John VVilkinson's offering their Gift though never proved to be False Prophets as ever we could understand One thing more is Remarkable on this Occasion from G. F. his Words before cited viz. 'T is not Right to make a Man an Offender for VVords when he acknowledgeth them Hence I take Occasion to query Whether since James Naylor came to a Sight and Sense of his Fall and through true Repentance and open Confession before the Lord and his People in many Parts of the Nation found acceptance with the Lord and his People I say whether 't was not a wrong Spirit that led George Fox to acquaint John Wilkinson and John Story in a Letter written Anno 1676. That they would become as hardned and as bad as the old Opposers amongst whom he reckons up James Naylor not having so much Charity as therewith also to acknowledge his being through true Repentance and Contrition of Heart restored 'T is well if the Reason thereof be not because James Naylor could never be brought by George Fox as Report saith to condemn these Words or words to this Effect spoken by him I AM BUT A FIGURE OF ANOTHER I now come to take notice of what G.F.
none of them about these things these fourteen years and in these Meetings the Glory of God was seen and Fleeing in time of Persecution it was abhorred And as for their saying Some body spoke in Bristol Meeting after I was gone down I know nothing of that but I came down to Joan Hilyes and Friends were in the street and came to me there and I knew nothing but they all came down and if I had fled in time of Persecution I had not been in so many Goals and Prisons but might have kept out of them and yet this they say Iohn Story he hath born the heat of the day and George For he hath fled in time of Persecution G. F. I now come to make these following Observations on the words of his late Answer and former Testimony touching my Charge concerning him in his late Answer to my Charge he saith I remember I was sitting in a Meeting at Bristol when another was speaking and some Officers came up and took him away and when he was gone I kept the Meeting and none meddled with me Now let us compare this with the former Testimony which thus begins Whereas William Rogers hath falsly charged me that I should flee in time of Persecution c. and then proceeds thus saying As for the Meeting at Bristol there came no Souldiers or Officers whilst I was in the Meeting neither before nor after He that runs may read that George Fox in some cases doth not matter what he saith which by his own Rule witness his before-cited words in relation to Nathaniel Crips is the very Mark of that Spirit that made some like Devils By his former Testimony it also appears that there were some Friends at Edward Pyott's and that he bid them Go away that Edward Pyott's Son who I know was a Young Lad then accompanyed him through the Fields that when Dennis Hollister and Thomas Gouldney met him he bad them Walk by because many People were walking there and after that he met George Bishop whom likewise he bad Walk by and though at length he came to the Meeting and as is credibly reported by back and unusual Ways yet I find not one word positively testifying That he stayed in the Meeting until the Meeting broke up neither is it rational from his words to suppose that he thought the Meeting ought then to break up for if he had to what end did he ask this Question Why do Friends busle and make such a Throng since 't is certainly known that at the Breaking up of Meetings 't is usual to have a Throng and Busle and therefore comparing this with Testimonies that hereafter will follow viz. that G.F. should say Friends keep your Meetings keep your Meetings 't is rational to conclude that though G. F. designed to depart himself yet he thought it not meet that the Meeting should then break up and if so no doubt this in G. F. may as justly be termed Fleeing in time of Persecution as the like action pretended to be done by another may And to be very plain I no way doubt but that if a False Witness-Bearer had wrongfully said but thus much of John Story as G. F. hath said of himself there would not have wanted a G. F. or some of Party with him that would have scrupled to have said John Story had acted from that very Spirit which said Master save thy self And although all impartial and understanding Readers from what is already said may have a sense that G. F. hath Fled in time of Persecution if the Rule of himself or his Party be good in relation to their Pretence of John Story 's departing out of a Meeting yet for a further manifestation of what is now intended the following Certificates are cited WE do hereby declare that we were present at a certain Meeting held in Broad Mead within the City of Bristol on account of the Worship of God and that it was at a time when Persecution attended Friends in their Meeting and that at that Meeting George Fox stood up and spoke in the Meeting and after departed out of the Meeting at a Back-Pair of Stairs a very considerable time before the Meeting broke up and was not taken Prisoner that day and the ground of his Departure at that time we have cause to believe was to avoid being taken Prisoner Mary Gouldney Mary North. Ann Day To this Testimony I also can bear witness with this further Addition that after he stept down from the place he stood upon to speak and was departing some Friends were moving to go with him and he perceiving it as I took it said holding out his hand Keep your Meetings Keep your Meetings and accordingly the Meeting was held a considerable time longer after his Departure William James I Do remember on this Occasion aforesaid that George Fox did depart out of the Meeting aforesaid before the Meeting broke up or Friends departed and that at that time Friends were attended with Persecution and as he was departing he said to Friends to this Effect Keep your Meeting and I believe his so departing was to save himself from being taken by the Persecutors Nathaniel Day I Do on the Occasion aforesaid declare that I do remember that George Fox did depart out of the Meeting aforementioned a considerable time before the Meeting broke up or Friends departed and that at that time Friends were attended with Persecution I do also remember that my Uncle Dennis Hollister did acquaint me that George Fox did advise him to absent himself from Meetings in time of Persecution Samuel Hollister And now though it be not so immediately my concern to take notice of what he writes touching the Meeting at Ringwood as that at Bristol yet since he hath made mention thereof and that 't is as I take it the most he can speak in his own favour in relation to that Matter I think it needful to make some Observations thereon which are real Cause of Jealousie that G. F. was at that time led by such a Spirit as would have by him and many of Party with him been termed The Spirit that seeks to save Self had it but appeared in John Story The First thing I take notice of is these his Words There came ten or twelve Women from Pool who in Probability came with an Intention to come to a Meeting and yet by G. F's Relation they came five or six Hours before the Meeting was to begin whether this be probable I shall at present leave to the sense of others The Second thing I take Notice of is this G. F. walkt with a Young Man and then there came another Young Man this is Cause of Jealousie that G. F. had a shifting kind of design to take Young Men for his Companions even as he did Edward Pyott's Young Son Edward and bid some whom he calls Friends Go their VVay how good they were in G. F's esteem is a question because he tells us
we never knew that he hath flinched but hath endured Patiently as also the known Care that hath been upon him for the Preserving and Encouraging of all by Word and Pattern to stand in time of Persecution And this we thought fit to insert as persons concerned for the Vindication of our dear Friend George Fox's Innocency in this Case which we have done according to the best of our Knowledge and Remembrance who never saw any just Occasion for such a Charge as William Rogers hath so wickedly aspersed him with John Ware and twenty seven Persons more I now come to make some Observations on the above Certificate they render me False Charging and seem concerned to Vindicate G. F's Innocency in this Case yet they have done it but at a very poor rate much like the perjured Informers that on the late Act have appeared against Friends for first they say It is a False Charge which is a positive Testimony against me wherein they undertake to prove such a Negative which is impossible to be proved by them unless they had been Eye witnesses of what George Fox did in every Meeting in time of Persecution at the Meeting-house in Broad-Mead that I also was present at but that by their Certificate it seems they dare not say for when they came to disprove me by particular Evidence they then thus said WE WERE GENERALLY ALL OF US AT ALL OR MOST OF THE MEETINGS AT WHICH GEORGE FOX WAS HERE and that we never knew or can remember that ever any Persecutors came up the Stairs while George Fox was speaking I appeal now to every Impartial Understanding Reader whether my charging of him for stepping down on a sudden and hastning out of the Meeting must be wrong because they never knew another matter of fact relating to others or whether it doth follow that the Persecutors did not come up the Stairs at no such Meeting because they don't know or remember the Matter when not assigned to any Meeting wherein they dare say that they were present They say that I have charged George Fox to be one of the greatest Fleers in time of Persecution of any that I know professing the Truth and accounted by others a Faithful Friend Herein they as I take it and as I am persuaded all Impartial Readers will falsly charge me my Words were these And if Report be true this is but very little of what might at large be manifested to prove him one of the greatest Fleers c. in time of Persecution that ever I knew professing the Truth and esteemed by others a Faithful Friend 3dly They say that I for Confirmation thereof brought an Instance of a Meeting here at Brastol which George Fox was present at about 15 years since c. this also cannot be taken to be a true Charge from my words not only be cause I did not positively charge him to be one of the greatest Fleers in time of Persecution c. but also because I did not signifie the Time at which the Meeting was held though they say 't was about 15 years since and so it appears that they are detected of several Lies by comparing their Testimony with what I have written This occasions me to observe that they do not say they never knew or could remember that he stept down and hastned out of the Meeting at a Back-pair of Stairs which is the matter wherewith I charge him with the sight of mine own Eyes and others also on this Occasion And this also I know that his so Departure was a very considerable time before the Meeting broke up and were it not so that these False Witness-Bearers were conscious to themselves that about fifteen years since George Fox so did as I said my Eyes were witness of what reason should they have for limiting my Charge to that time I shall now leave it to the Consciences of all Impartial Readers to consider whether John Ware and the other twenty seven Persons do not justly deserve the title of False-Witness-Bearers and not only so but since George Fox in his Answer to me hath signified on this Occasion that he believes there are many in Bristol that will witness against this False Charge it be not rational to suppose that the aforesaid John VVare and the other twenty seven Subscribers have been by him betrayed to affirm whereof they know not and yet notwithstanding their Testimony is lame and not sufficient to serve his turn not only for the Reasons aforesaid but also because they do not so much as affirm that the Meeting held about fifteen years since was in the time of Persecution and that he staid therein until the Meeting ended One thing more is Observable G. F. informs me some said My Paper was not worth answering to which I said Doubtless these words came from some of George Fox 's Party and since George Fox hath acted contrary to their sense and written six Sheets of Paper in Answer to one of mine what 's become of their Vnity now and whether this shews not that they are in Confusion amongst themselves especially since G. F. in his Answer saith the less I do take notice of them because I know them to be * By George Fox's Rule those who matter not what they say c. are exercised by this Spirit that made some like Devils witness his before-cited words spoken as he was walking in Nathaniel Crips his Chamber which occasions me to query from his words all False and Malicious Charges Whether by his own Rule he hath not manifested himself to be exercised by the same Spirit for had he been a man that had taken Care to have affirmed nothing but the truth he would not have been the Publisher as well as Author of so many Lyes and Falshoods whereof to his shame he is detected all False Malicious Charges whenas he hath not only written six Sheets of Paper for the Copy delivered me contains so many by way of Answer which is a taking notice thereof at a large rate but also it appears that many of them which by his general Expression he accounts False Charges are not in his particular Answers denied to be true but rather an owning thereof is plainly implied from his words as is already manifested this I take to be one sign or Token that the Word of the Lord by his Servant John Wilkinson is fulfilling I now come to take notice that G. F. accuseth me that I threatned the Constables at their Perils not to meddle with any thing of mine within doors c. This I say is a False Charge my words on that Occasion were to this purpose the Door is open the Goods in the house are mine they might go in and there was enough but then I also told them That if they did meddle c. before I spoke with the Justice I should lay that Injustice at their Doors because of right I ought to be first heard before my Goods ought to be
he spoke to a People who were redeemed out of those begganly Elements and were come past those Rudiments which is evident by those his words How turn ye again and soâ—e might well exhort such neither to Circumcise nor yet be in the Observation of Dayes for that God hath not usually led into those things which he hath led out of and this might well consist with the truth even at such a time and season when others through a consciencious scruple might in a Plea for both with respect to themselves respectively according to their differing Faith be Uncondemned I shall now leave it to the Consciences of unprejudised Readers whether what G. F. hath said touching Circumcision and Observation of Dayes Meats and Drinks is sufficient to justifie his advising Mary Penington to secure her Estate from the Spoilers when she durst not remove her moveable goods nor made it as her principle and condemn others that are principled so to do querying of such Whether 't is not from the Spirit of the World that lusteth to Envy With this Testimony I shall conclude this my reply to G. F. that I certainly know him to be a Man guilty of many things which he hath condemned in others and forasmuch as he under the form of Government hath prescribed the giving forth of Papers of Condemnation as a proper means whereby such as in his sense are departed from the Truth may be received into Fellowship with some others again so he must expect that some at least of his known Errors and Failings must lie on Record unless he repent and manifest such his Repentance by an Acknowledgment so publickly spread as his Errors and Failings have been not but that an Acknowledgment unto and Repentance before the Lord in some Cases may be sufficient but because as he hath been an Instrument to lay Stumbling-Blocks in the Way of many so he may even as James Naylor did before him by a candid Acknowledgment unto the Lord's People be an Instrument as much as in him lyes to remove such Stumbling-Blocks and so come into Unity again with the Lord and his People in the Truth from which he hath departed William Rogers I now come to take Notice of a Postscript to G. F's Answer written by John Blaykling who lives at Sedbergh in Yorkshire which by the Way puts me in remembrance thus to premise That though G. F. in his Answer to some part of my Paper which he accounted a False Charge hath thus said And I do believe that are there many in Bristol that have not let in Prejudice and Enmity against me that will witness against this False Chrrge Yet I doubt not but he might on as goodground have said the same with respect to John Blaykling and many in other Places though they may know nothing of the Matters whereof they may pretend to vindicate him because I have lately had over and besides what John Blaykling adds in his Postscript no less than six Letters in Vindication of George Fox and condemnation of me right or wrong some whereof are subscribed with Two Letters whose Names thereby I cannot understand and dated from no Place other some with a Name not known to me nor yet dated from any Place this I may justly term a sort of mean and underly work that is so far from adding Credit to G. F's cause as that 't is to me plain enough that he can get a Iohn Blaykling a T. B. or an S. H. to write or sign any thing when written right or wrong that may in his sense tend to his Vindication and my Condemnation And now to proceed As to John Blaykling's Postscript I find it contains about a Sheet of Paper which thus begins Here followeth the Testimony and Certificate from John Blaykling to the clearing of the Aspersions that William Rogers and others would cast upon George Fox as afore-mentioned Therein he gives a large Testimony for George Fox as a man that renders not Evil for Evil that 's blessed with Honour above many Brethren and that thousands will stand by him in an Heavenly Record unto the Integrity of his Soul to Truth that still lives with him that his Life reigns and is Spotless Innocent and still retains his Integrity whose Eternal Honour and Blessed Renown shall remain yea his Presence and the Droping of his Tender VVords in the Lord's Love was my Souls Nourishment On which I observe that if those thousands are such as John Blaykling John Ware and the twenty seven other persons that signed the aforementioned False Certificate they will never add by that Spirit that led them so to testifie as aforesaid unto his nor their own Credit and though in a Dark Spirit they may term it an Heavenly Record yet I testifie such a Record can never bear date from Heaven because nothing that maketh a Lye can therein enter Moreover as John Blaykling hath given so large a Testimony to George Fox's life as Spotless and as one still keeping his integrity to God and his Truth though he is hereby detected of many Lyes which Method of general Applause at so high a rate used by John Blaykling when undeserved is more like a Parasite to an Earthly Prince than a Serious Well meaning Consciencious Christian to a Servant of Christ that seeks not the Praise of Man so on the other hand hath he vilified me at so large a rate as better became the tongue of a Scold than a Sober Man for therein amongst many other prophane and Scandalous unjust Reproaches in general terms without assigning particular Matters of Fact to prove his general Accusations he hath rendred me one that hath cast lying Slanders upon George Fox though no Lye is proved either by him or George Fox to lie at my Door and that also from a Spirit that through its Envy and Rage against the Government of Christ in the hearts of them that believe ceases not with all its devices with Lying Aspersions to defame the Instruments in God's own Hand calling my Paper a Lying Paper to defame the Brethrens Care in the Church of God whenas there is not a word in all my Paper that can bear any such Construction neither doth he quote any of my words that in Truth do manifest what he so asserts and 't is well known that I have been so far from being in Envy and Rage against the Government of Christ in the hearts of them that believe as that it hath been a great Concern of Conscience to me for several years past both by Word and Writing to contend earnestly for the Exaltation of Christ's Government in the hearts of Believers which is clearly manifested by the import of what I have written in Answer to a part of Robert Barclay's Book of Government my Postscript to my Narrative of Passages at Drawel my Answer to the Brethrens so termed Narrative after the Meeting at Drawel several of my Letters to George Fox the Dissatisfactions subscribed by several as well as
my self at Bristol Anno 1677. and in divers other Papers in the giving forth whereof I have been concerned since that day wherein it hath evidently appeared that such as cannot be subject to some Outward Orders or Prescriptions given forth by George Fox or some others assuming Authority so to do are judged and condemned for refusing submission without true regard to a Consciencious Scruple as if the exaltation of Christ's Government in the heart consisted in Conformity to other mens lines made ready to our hands a lively Instance hereof may be easily discerned by those who shall peruse the forty four Articles of Accusation drawn up against John Wilkinson and John Story and proceedings in Relation thereunto both before and after the four dayes Meeting at Drawel especially if compared with the Paper given forth from Ellis Hook's Chamber dated the 12th of the 4th Month 1677 subscribed by Charles Marshal and 65 persons more and the Answers thereunto all which are recorded in the Manuscript first made mention of in the Preface to the 1st Part of the Christian Quaker ready for perusal of any Friend desiring to view the same In the sense of these things can I truly say that my heart is even melted before the Lord that Iniquity should grow to so high a pitch in any that are Professors of Truth as to write at so wicked and ungodly a rate as John Blaykling hath done and yet bring forth nothing that doth in truth prove me worthy of the least of his evil Reflections which now leads me to manifest unto the Reader what are the particular Matters of Fact that he chargeth me with since 't is reasonable that that should have been by him laid down as evidence that I am worthy of his general and gross Reflections In order hereunto I say I have diligently perused his Postscript several times over on purpose to notifie every particular Matter of Fact which in his or any ones sense I did suppose might be accounted Evil and do not find more than these two particulars following here cited word for word out of John Blaykling's Postscript The First is on this wise And as to that particular Reflection cast upon him which William Rogers if his Interrogation be an Affirmation of the Matter would ground an Accusation upon viz. Art not thou the man that hast taken Liberty to stay almost a Quarter of a year from Meeting and did not John Blaykling by name manifest his Burthen and Exercise of spirit on thine and the truths behalf for thy so doing and having thus repeated my words he proceeds and saith I answer if William Rogers affirm that I had a burthen on my Spirit with respect to George Fox as out of God's Counsel in that matter or as departing from the Truth I do testifie that he affirms an Untruth and that it doth arise in him from a Spirit of Envy watching for Evil against the Innocent whom God justifies On this I observe that John Blaykling cannot lay all his general and gross Reflections at my Door on that account because he himself doth not take it to be a Charge unless my Interogation be an affirmation which he doth not there affirm it to be neither did I ever intend it so yet 't is rational to conclude from the aforesaid words of John Blaykling that I had ground so to query and therefore I now appeal unto God's Witness in all Consciences whether John Blaykling be not found contradicting himself since in his Postscript he thus saith Is this the Shift you are put to that he meaning John Wilkinson should not be found a False Prophet to charge a Lye upon me to defame the Innocent withal meaning as may reasonably be taken with respect to what I query as aforesaid with relation to him and George Fox which to me is an Evidence that the Word of the Lord by John Wilkinson is fulfilling since it appears as aforesaid that my Query was not groundless and that George Fox accounts it a False Charge And though John Blaykling proceeds to query doth not the Lord confound you in all your undertakings yet there appears to me no Ground for his so querying but rather that his and G. F's Confusion to their Shame is abundantly manifested from what may be visible to every Impartial Understanding Reader that will be at the pains to compare all written by George Fox John Blaykling and my self on this Occasion without other proofs The Second particular matter of Fact laid by John Blaykling to my Charge is on this wise And whereas William Rogers asks if George Fox would not have accounted this in another the Fruit of a Careless Slothful Libertine or Dark Spirit that was either departed or departing from the Truth c implicitly thereby charging him with it To which John Blaykling thus saith Might not William Rogers have applied this at home who knows in his Conscience what a Libertine Loose and Dark Spirit departing from his Subjection to the Truth he hath given way to and hath taken a Liberty to himself to make away his visible Estate or at least a considerable part of it to avoid suffering thereby On this I observe that as to this particular with respect to securing a part of my Estate Jo. Blaykling cannot lay all his prophane and wicked Charges against me at my door on that account without contradiction to his large Testimony for George Fox as a man that is spotless and still keeping his Integrity because George Fox denies not as before is manifested that he advised Mary the Wife of Isaac Penington to secure her or their Estate from the hands of the Spoilers My last Observation is on John Blaykling's beginning of his Postscript by which it appears to me that one of his ends was to appear thus publick as a witness on behalf of George Fox to clear all Aspersions that my self and others had cast on him as afore mentioned and indeed he hath done it excellently well if testifying that G. F. is spotless without entring into the Merit of Matters of Fact be a sufficient proof but if not his Testimony and Certificate is for the most part of no Credit However it occasions me to note what Irreligious Confidence attends him thus to appear as a Witness to clear G. F. of many things he knows nothing of for John Blaykling was not with George Fox at Bristol and with Nathaniel Crips when Occasion of Nathaniel Crips his Charge touching G. F 's advising him to buy his Tythes was taken and yet John Blaykling's Certificate as by the Scope thereof doth plainly appear to me is to clear G.F. from all Aspersions whatsoever or from whomsoever To be plain such Attempts are a Shame and Scandal to Religion and are an Abhorrency to men of common and moral Honesty but 't is to be doubted that since that day wherein John Blaykling Robert Barrow and two others gave it under their hands in a Letter to Friends at Bristol That they by
a part 2d Part p. 85 to 92. Iews An Objection raised Whether they acted not from the Light within in Crucifying Christ An Answer to the said Objection 2 d. Part p. 9 10. Ignorant The way how the Ignorant have been Ensnared 4 th Part p. 32 33. Imposer See Church-Government Independency The written Words of a Publick Preacher insinuating as if the Tendency of some of our Spirits were down-right Independencies are treated on shewing That we are Principled to depend on the Sufficiency of God's Grace and not on Man c. 1 st Part p. 38 to 42. Infallibility As relating to Internal Things annexed only to the Spirit of God 2 d. Part p. 11 12. How Men endued with the Infallible Spirit are Deceived Fallible 2 d. Part p. 12 13. An Animadversion on this Sentence That the Church of Christ is Infallible and cannot Err 3 d. Part p. 13. Iniquity not distinguish't by our Opposers from Conscientious Scruples 3 d. Part p. 50 51. Innovation See Apostacy Innovators 3 d. Part p. 49. A Part of their Doctrine 3 d. Part p. 50. Iohn Story and Iohn Wilkinson Some concerned in drawing up Forty-Four Articles against them confessed under their Hands That 't is not any Personal Trespass against any of them that they charge Iohn Story and Iohn Wilkinson with nor any particular Concern of their own as Men that they are in the Defence of but the Cause of Almighty God and the Wrong they have done to him But yet some of us know and that from their own Writings that their pretended Wrong to God is a Slighting some of George Fox's Rule c. which in some of John Wilkinson's and John Story 's Opposers Sence are to be urged with Severity which is no less than an Enforcing on God's Faithful People 1 st Part p. 86 87 88 89. Iohn Wilkinson writ to some who of late were his Opposers That the Word of the Lord came to him the 20 th Day of the 6 th Moneth 1675. the Import whereof is That the Lord would break his Opposers and turn them one against another about their Orders if they Repent not 4 th Part p. 28. John Wilkinson and John Story their Accusers chuse Judges to Judge the Matters whereof they Accuse them 4 th Part p. 29 30. The Testimony of John Wilkinson and John Story in Relation to Five Heads from whence the Forty-Four Articles of Accusation were drawn up against them relating to Church-Government wherein they particularly bear their Testimony against Payment of Tythes 4 th Part p. 37 38 39 40. Isaac Penington his Testimony touching That Authority which Christ excluded out of his Church and Of the Danger of running into Religious Practices before led thereinto by the Spirit and Of receiving Things for Truths because others see them to be Truths and That the great Error of the Ages of the Apostacy hath been to set up an Outward Order and Uniformity and to make Mens Consciences bow thereto 3 d. Part p. 89 to 98. Iustification and Salvation through Faith in Christ owned and cleared from the Objections of such as have seemed to extend the Benefit of Christs Obedience unto Persons whil'st Sin is reigning in their Mortal Bodies shewing That though such as are in Christ are Redeemed from under the Law which consisted in Carnal Ordinances yet they ought to be subject to the Law of Faith which is accompanyed with Works of Righteousness wrought in Man by the Spirit of God 2 d. Part p. 61 to 71. K KIngdome of GOD Things relating thereto are revealed to the Creature but by one way viz. the Spirit though the Manifestation may be various viz. sometimes through Man or the Scriptures as Instruments and sometimes through Himself 2 d. Part p. 2 3 4. Knowledge without Zeal Some Part of the Fruits thereof discovered 1 st Part p. 73 74 75 76. The Want of Knowledge the Cause of a Perishing Estate and Bowing to Men 2 d. Part p. 25. The Meaning of these Words of the Apostle Knowledge puffeth up 2 d. Part p. 26 27. L LIberty and Forbearance in Robert Barclay's Sence refuted 3 d. Part p 80 81 82. Liberty of Conscience A Description wherein it doth consist 3 d. Part p. 17 18. What that Liberty of the Conscience is that is according to the Gospel In particular it admits of no Liberty to Sin 3 d. Part p. 86 87. Light of Christ What the Measure of it is and the Effects of Obedience to it 1 st Part p. 3 4. See the 2 d. Part p. 2 5 6 7 8. Those who this Day say We were taught to follow the Light in our Consciences and not the Orders of Men and That we will not have Men to Rule over us thereby meaning such Men as being in a Separation from the Establish't Religion by Law would yet be accounted Church-Governours over us utters Language becoming Christians And though Robert Barclay hath reflected on such kind of Language yet 't is proved to be Sound 3 d. Part p. 43 44. M MAgistracy Obedience Active or Passive due to it 2 d. Part p. 30 31 32. Master On what Ground and to whom the word Master is dis-used by us 2 d. Part p. 34. Meetings Some part at least of Nine Meetings for Worship of God in Westmoreland submit their Affairs without Restriction either to Temporal or Spiritual Affairs to Establisht Monthly and Quarterly-Meetings and Discharge the Separates so termed who are reputed to be of Party with John Wilkinson and John Story to concern themselves in their Affairs meaning as by the Scope of their Words appears the Churches Affairs 1 st Part p. 89 90. Such Submission may be by us reasonably taken to be in the Sense of such Submitters a Mark to know a Member of the Church at least in those Parts p. 90. And such their Discharge seems a Token of some Imaginary Authority and Designe of the Exaltation of One Man namely George Fox for which several Reasons are given in the Defamation of others and that the Name of Monethly and Quarterly-Meetings are but as a Conduit to convey it to him p. 90 91 92. See also what is written touching Monethly and Quarterly-Meetings in 1 st Part p. 11 12 13 14 and then consider whether 't is not wholly Irrational that such should assume unto themselves the Title of Church and on that Foot expect Submission p. 14. The Order in Collecting the Sence of such Meetings spoken of 1 st Part p. 14 15. And in what Sence the Counsel in holding such Meetings was embraced and the End thereof 1 st Part p. 15 16. Monethly Quarterly-Meetings of Men and also of Women distinct from Men not owned by us to be Established as a Part of Christ's Government 3 d. Part p. 8 to 14. Womens-Meetings distinct from Men how they came to be held and for what End 1 st Part p. 63 to 67. The General-Meeting hath usually consisted of uncertain Numbers of uncertain Qualifyed Persons 1 st