the mind enlightned in knowing God in Christ of the will sanctified in imbracing and apprehending God in Christ And here the principall agent is that verie Spirit of Christ who after the first grace and creation abideth and dwelleth in vs not idle but euer working some good in vs and by vs. The second agent working with Gods holy Spirit is the very soule of man or rather the new man or the new creature in the soule and all the faculties thereof By this the holy Ghost that so I may speake knoweth God or otherwise to speake the same to know God the holy Ghost vseth the new creature in man and by this the holy Ghost doth embrace and apprehend God in Christ Thus speakes the Apostle Rom. 8. The holy Ghost saith hee maketh intercession for vs with sighes which cannot be expressed Obserue here how he ascribeth this action of sending forth sighes vnto the Spirit as to the principall agent In this second grace which is the action or worke of faith we stand not as meere passiuely but being moued by the holy Ghost we worke our selues as being stirred vp to beleeue we beleeue and in a word we worke 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 with Gods Spirit working in vs. The Aduersaries say this second grace in faith is an action of free-will when as we by our own free-will dispose and prepare our selues to a iustifying grace in beleeuing in hoping in repenting In this action they say not the holy Ghost is the principall agent or any motion to vse their owne word of the Spirit but free-will it selfe which as they say goes before whē as that motion of God working together with their free-will must follow after They speake not a word here of Gods Spirit either in the first or second grace who works effectually in both as is aforesaid but in steede of the holy Ghost they talk of I know not what motion standing without and knocking at the doore They say this motion stirres vp free-will they say it worketh with free-will when it worketh and prepareth vs vnto the grace of iustice or iustification This their doctrine is strange it sauoureth not the holie Scripture of God nor the phrase of Scripture Thus farre of Gods grace in faith or of the second part of our calling and of the two speciall branches of it Next in it we are to consider of the points or conditions before noted which are the verie same with those in our calling afore-going To this second part of our effectuall calling referre the doctrine of faith which in verie truth is the same with it Hope loue and repentance follow faith and Free-will is a common place in diuinitie subalterne or to bee referred vnto that of Repentance CHAP. II. Of the word of God or of the couenant in generall and of the couenant of workes in speciall THE common place in religion which is concerning The common places of religion how they follow in order Gods word or couenant is to be referred vnto this of our effectuall calling as to a most generall heade next follow these points of sinne and of the miserie of mankind thirdly that of faith then follow hope loue and repentance Now therefore we are to speake of the word or of the couenant of God hauing first set down this ground that all the worde of God appertaines to some couenant for God speaks nothing to man without the couenant for which cause al the scripture both old and new wherein al Gods word is contained beares the name of Gods couenant or testament The couenant of God generally is a promise vnder Couenant defined some one certaine condition And it is twofold the first is the couenant of works the second is the couenant of grace Paul Galath 4. vers 24. expresselie sets downe two couenants which in the olde Testament were shadowed by two women as by types to wit Hagar the handmaide and Sarah the freewoman for saith he these be those two couenants Let vs then speake something of these two couenants and first of the couenant of works The couenant of workes which may also be called a legall or Couenant of works the first ground of it natural couenant is founded in nature which by creation was pure and holy and in the law of God which in the first creation was ingrauen in mans hart For after that God had created man after his owne image pure and holy and had written his law in his minde he made a couenant with man wherein he promised him eternall life vnder the condition of holy and good workes which should be answerable to the holinesse and goodnesse of their creation and conformable to his law And that nature thus beautified with holinesse and righteousnes and the light of Gods law is the foundation of the couenant of works it is very euident for that it could not well stand with the iustice of God to make a couenant vnder condition of good works perfect obedience to his law except he had first created man pure and holie and had ingrauen his lawe in his hart whence those good works might proceed For this cause when he was to repeat that couenant of workes to the people of Israel he first gaue the law written in tables of stone then he made a couenant with his people saying Doe these things and ye shall liue Therefore the ground of the couenant of works was Note not Christ nor the grace of God in Christ but the nature of man in the first creation holy and perfect endued also with the knowledge of the law For as touching the couenant of workes there was no mediator in the beginning betweene God and man that God should in him as in and by a mediator make his couenant with man And the cause that there was no need of a mediator was this that albeit there were two parties entring into a couenāt yet there was no such breach or variance betwixt them that they had neede of any mediator to make reconciliation betweene them for as for the couenant of works God made this couenant with man as one friend doth Note with another For in the creation we were Gods friends and not his enemies Thus far of the grounde of the conant of works The thing promised in the couenant of works is life eternall first not righteousnes for that man in his creation was euen then iust and perfect by that original iustice as they call it vnlesse you will say that the righteousnes of works was promised in that couenant for which righteousnes sake after that man had wrought it God would pronounce and declare him to be iust For we are to vnderstand that in this couenant there is a double righteousnes the first is that originall iustice which is nothing else but the integritie of nature in that first state of man This iustice out of all doubt is not promised in the couenant of works for it is the ground of it The
improper and the name of faith is but by an Homonymie or improperly put vpon them to signifie these things For not any of these may be called by the name of faith vnlesse you say in some respect in part and after a sort and with an addition for example the knowledge of history is termed faith but with this addition historicall or dead and so of the rest Now a generall notion of this word faith is that which is Heb. 11. 1. And that is a knowledge in general with assent and agreement to all those things which are comprehended in the word of God and that whether generall or particular I meane by a particular worde when any thing is reuealed to any one peculiarly out of order by which kinde of reuelation it came to passe that miracles were done by some We must speake therefore in the first place concerning historicall or dead faith and first for the testimonies of scripture touching it Iam. 2. 15 Faith if it haue no works is dead of it selfe 1. Cor. 12. 9. Unto other faith by the same spirit The coherence of the text Historicall or dead saith and comparison made with other gifts of the holy Ghost which in that place are numbred doe shew sufficiently that the Apostle speaketh of historical faith Hitherto belongeth that place which is 1. Cor. 13. 2. If I had all faith so that I could remoue mountaines Here he doth not only meane the faith of miracles but also the historicall for he sayth all faith and after he sets downe one kinde as if he had saide by name miraculous faith to remoue moūtaines The reason of the name is this It is termed historicall because it is only a bare knowledge of the holy history concerning God Christ the will of God and his works and not an holy apprehension of the things knowne And why it is called dead Iames rendreth a reason in the place before cited namely because it hath no Dead faith works the reason is from the consequent or signe For want of works or actions argueth and sheweth that faith is as it were dead and without life and if I may so speake the carcase of faith euen as if there be no motions nor actions in a man neither inward nor outward thereby it is declared that the man is dead and the bodie without life or but the dead carcase of a man Our aduersaries that I may speake of this by the way when they heare out of Iam. 2. 16. that saith is therefore The papists touching faith called dead because it hath no works by by conclude that charitie and the works of charitie is the soule of faith but this followeth not that charitie and the works of charity are the soule of faith but this followeth that charitie and the works of charitie are the signes and tokens of the soule that is by name of that apprehension of Christ which is in the heart for this is indeede the soule and forme of faith I will declare this thing by a like example A man if he haue no workes no actions neither inward nor outward that indeed argueth that there is not a soule or forme in him out of which actions doe proceed but it doth not argue that works or actions are the soule and forme of man But they thinke that the words of Iames chap. 2. 26. do make for their opinion For out of that that Iames saith As the bodie without the Spirit or breath is dead so also faith which is without works is dead thus they infer Therfore as the Spirit is the forme of the bodie so are workes the forme of faith But this consequent is not of force For the comparison and similitude is not in that but in this that euen as the bodie without the soule or breath is dead so faith without works is dead The bodie without the spirit as her soule and forme is dead faith without workes as the signes and tokens of the soule is dead Euen as therefore the want of the Spirit or the soule doth argue the death of the bodie so the want of the signe token of the soule of faith doth argue the death of faith It is therfore a comparison of the spirit and works in the like effect and not in the like nature For both haue the like effect which is death but both the things are not of the same nature Hitherto of the reason of the name The obiect of historicall faith is all the holy storie that is the whole truth which is according to godlinesse and the word of both couenants wherein this faith differs from iustifying faith which hath the word of the Gospel or of the couenant of grace for the obiect thereof The subiect of this faith is the mind which knoweth and iudgeth but the iudgment of the mind doth onely Subiect of an historicall faith reach to the truth of the historie as I thinke and not to the goodnes of the things themselues which are contained in the storie For although an hypocrit do professe that al those things of which the Gospel speaks are true yet he doth not assent to thē in his mind as good things Note well which is the first step of practise or action For after the iudgement of the goodnes of a thing followeth the apprehension thereof which belongs to the will out of which after proeede the motions of the affections and out of them last of all do issue the outward actions of the bodie Therefore this dead faith doth not sincerely at the least assent to those things which are in the word as good things but rather doth indeed reiect them and count them as euill So the diuell who hath this faith is said to tremble Iam. 2. 19. Out of which it is manifest that the diuell doth reiect Christ and all his good things For this horrour ariseth out of reiecting and hating of the thing Therefore in one word this historicall faith pertaines only to the mind and hath that for the subiect of it It followeth that we speake of the nature thereof By these things which haue beene spoken of the subiect it The nature of an historicall faith may easily be learned what is the nature of it For it is wholy comprised but onely in the generall knowledge of the mind and iudgment of truth it hath therefore one or two degrees of iustifying faith Out of all these things which we haue spoken of an historicall faith it is easie to gather the definition thereof For historicall faith is a knowledge in the mind of the whole truth both of the Historicall faith defined law and of the Gospell and the iudgement of the mind made thereupon as farre as concernes the truth thereof And thus farre concerning historicall or dead faith Next followeth a temporarie Of this faith yee haue these texts Matth. 13. 20. 21. But he that receiued the seede 3. Faith a temporary faith in stonie ground
vnto vs no lesse certaine and firme then if we heard God himselfe speake or did behold and reade the verie mind of God yea the very diuine oracles written in Gods owne breast but now we haue not the liuely voice of God now we see not the secret mind of God therefore it must follow that we haue something to supply the want of the liuely voice of God euen meanes to reueale vnto vs the secret mind of God and nothing can do this but the sacred Scripture therefore Gods holy written word is and must be vnto vs as the verie voice and as the verie mind or wil of God himselfe manifested vnto vs. The fourth reason The Scripture containes all those things which God hath spoken in elder ages and what God himselfe hath decreed in his secret counsell so farre as is meete for vs to know concerning our life and saluation Ergo c. Thus far of the immediate word of God The mediate voice of God we call the voice of the holy and true Church of God for albeit men speake yet the word spoken is the word of God himselfe Here the aduersaries rise vp and contend that the voice of the Church must haue the priority of excellencie and that it supplieth the want of Gods liuely voice and the manifestation of his mind rather or better then the Scripture for say they the voice of the Church is a Popish Obiection cōcerning the testimonie and the authority of the Church before the Scripture Scripture written not with the penne of any Scribe but by Gods owne finger in the heart of the Church therefore the voice or testimonie of the Church ought to bee accounted the principall voice of God For it is a liuely voice proceedings from the liuing heart of the Church wherein God hath ingrauen all truth with the finger of his owne Spirit whereas the Scriptures of the Prophets and Apostles albeit they were deliuered and spoken by God himselfe yet they were not written by Gods owne hand but by the Prophets and Apostles which were the pen-men Again they were not written in y e liuing hearts of men but in papers and books or tables Hence therefore it followeth that this scripture which is found in the heart of the Church is the principall Scripture of God and that the voice of the holy Church is that most excellent voice of God ought to be vnto vs as the immediate voice of God in steed of the secret counsel of God I answer true it is the testimonie of the Church is a liuely voice proceeding from a liuing heart sanctified by the holy ghost for we speake of the true Church But first I say that the only Scripture prophetical and apostolical is to be accounted that Scripture which was written by Gods owne finger and that immediate word of God Next I say that the heart of the Church is taught and sanctified by the Spirit of the Scripture and that the Scripture which is in the heart of the Church is nothing els but a certain transcript that so I may speak or a copy which the holy Ghost hath written in our hearts according to that ancient and authenticall copie which is the holy Scripture For the holy Ghost teacheth the Church nothing now but that which is written and doth by the scripture after a sort beget the Church the Scripture is the mother the Church is the daughter the Scripture is the mistresse the Church is the scholler Thirdly I adde that the knowledge of the truth which is in the heart of the Church by means of the scripture is not so perfect nor so absolute as is the holy Scripture And lastly I say that the Church being inlightened and renewed but in part may erre from the truth euen in the greatest matter of waight and that it doth erre so often as it forsakes the canon and rule of the sacred Scripture Their former assertion being thus cast downe it is euident that the voice of the Church I vnderstand here the true church only not that whoorish church of Rome the voice of the Church I say is not that primarie and most excellent word of God nor ought to be vnto vs in steed of the liuely and immediate voice of God nor to be reputed for Gods minde and counsell but this prerogatiue is due only to the sacred Scripture I ad further that if thou doest first not so much respect the truth it selfe which the Church speaketh as the instruments of the speech vttered which are men next if ye compare the voice of the Church speaking with the sacred Scripture it selfe it doth not deserue at all to be called by the name of Gods word but may more properlie be called the worde and testimony of man For Christ himselfe calles that testimonie which Iohn the Baptist gaue of him the testimony of man I receiue not saith he or desire not the testimnoie of man Ioh. 5. 34. Be it so that the testimonie of the Church be true agreeable to the holy scripture notwithstanding it is truly called an humane testimonie whether yee respect the men which speake or compare their testimonie with that which doth proceed from the mouth of God and Christ himselfe But it may be replyed that the very Apostles and Prophets which writte and spake all these things which we haue in the Scriptures were men in like manner therefore all the Scriptures are but an humane testimonie I answere that I denie not all is obiected if we were to esteeme the words or writings of an Apostle or Prophet as they are instruments and Ministers or if this were to be compared with the very liuely voice of God and Christ himselfe For in respect of the instruments if we compare the words or writings of these men with the words and writings of God himselfe theirs I say must come after and giue place vnto this and must beare the name of an humane testimonie for so the testimony of Iohn Baptist himselfe as being an instrument in comparison of Christ the Lord of life was called the record of man Wherefore when we auouch that the Propheticall and Apostolicall Scripture is the immediate testimonie of God himselfe we make no comparison with the liuelie voice of God himselfe neither doe we so much respect what Organs the Holy-Ghost vsed to set forth the Scriptures but we consider the matter it selfe and the diuine oracles which be written and we ponder in what estimation God himselfe will haue vs to accept the sacred Scripture not as the writings and sayings of men but as the writings and words of God himselfe And we consider this also as in a comparison made with the Church For to vse that comparison againe the voice of the Scripture is Gods owne voice but the voice of the Church of Christ is called an humane testimonie as the word or writing of a Prophet or an Apostle compared with the liuely voice of God is called the
record of man as Christ himselfe testifieth 10. 5. And thus farre of the 1. controuersie CHAP. VIII How it may appeare that the scripture is the worde of God THE second controuersie is by what argument may it appeare that the scripture is the word of God Like as then the first question was this whether the Scripture bee Gods worde So the question in hand is this how and by what euideÌ„ce this may appeare that the Scripture is Gods word To this I answer on this manner That we haue no need simplie of any other light or of any one speciall euidence to demonstrate this matter but that very light which is in the Scripture For the Scripture being the first and immediat word of God is of authoritie sufficient in it selfe * Scriptura est 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and so likewise of it selfe mâ—st cleere and euident and the onely cause of al that light which is in the Church and in the harts of men For like as the light of the sun is not perceiued nor to be seene by meanes of any S. other light for that it so far exceeds al other bodily external Note light So that spirituall light of the Scripture hath no need in it selfe of any other light to set forth the same for that of all spiritual lights to inlighten the mind withal it is the most bright and most beautifull in the world But whereas euidences and demonstrations be here demanded for the proofe of this matter to confirme the Scripture to be Gods word that is to be the very light the cause of this doubtfulnesse is in our selues for that we be so bleere-eyed and so blind by nature Wherefore the arguments which are brought for this purpose ad no light to the light of the Scripture which is of it own nature so cleere and can not be made to shine more bright by any additioÌ„ but al serue to this end to make that thing manifest vnto vs which is most euident in it selfe and that our eies may be opened to see that most ful and most glorious light of the sacred Scripture that is to behold the diuine maiestie of God shining bright and speaking S. vnto vs in the holy Scripture Like as if a man were to proue to a blinde man that the Sunne did shine hee would not produce arguments to commend the excellencie of the light of the Sunne but rather prouide such things as whereby if it were possible he might open the eies of the blind that with his own eies he might looke on the glorious light of the Sunne Wherefore in a word whatsoeuer arguments men aske of vs to demonstrate the light of the Scripture they ought not to be demaunded because of any defect in the Scripture but in respect of vs because we bee so blind hauing neede of all arguments and helpes euery way to open our eies that our sight may be quickned to behold this glorious light The arguments and helpes whereby our eies may be opened to behold the light of the Scripture or God speaking and shining in the Scripture these arguments I say which the godly and learned vse for this purpose be not of one sort but many in number But if the holy-Ghost speaking in the Scripture doe not first of all inspire our Eph. 1. 16. 17. minds opeÌ„ the eyes of our vnderstanding for he alone can do it assuredly it is but lost labor to speak of any other argument or help if we be not taught of God and by his Esay holy spirit all other meanes shall profit vs nothing at all Wherefore the first most principal cause to effect this y t we may behold the light of the Scripture so bright in it selfe must be the holy ghost teaching vs inwardly in our hearts and opening our vnderstanding that we may behold that light of the Scripture and may acknowledge the voice of God and of Christ himselfe speaking in the Scripture And the holy Ghost also himselfe in this work giues no new light to the Scripture which is cleere and glorious in it selfe as is aforesaid but inlightens our minds to this end that we may see the great light of the sacred Scripture Againe the holy ghost in this great work of our illumination effecteth it by certaine meanes instruments whereby it pleaseth him to work in our hearts and minds The meanes which the H. G. vseth for this worke are of two kindes The first is internall the second is externall The inwarde meane is in the very Scripture it selfe the outward is without the Scripture The internal meane is the principall organ or instrument of Gods spirit in this work and it is that verie light which shineth in the Scripture The holy Ghost then doth first of al open How the holy Ghost first teacheth vs to know the Scriptures the eies of our vnderstanding by the light of the Scripture to discerne that light of the Scripture so bright in itselfe and so vnknowen vnto vs. And hee cleereth our vnderstaÌ„ding to see the light of the Scripture by the verie scripture it selfe and by the light of the scripture manie waies For partlie hee effecteth this by producing 1 certaine testimonies of Scripture which plainly testifie Inward meanes to see the light of the scriptures of this great light of the Scripture and of God speaking in the Scripture as that place al Scripture is giuen by diuine inspiration 2. Tim. 3. 16 partly by suggesting into vs that we obserue the spirituall matters which are 2 therein described partly by admonishing that we note 3 the spirituall words whereby the same spirituall matters are expressed and set before vs partly by warning vs to 4 obserue the truth of the diuine oracles by the complement of the prophecies Againe he sets before vs the 5 beautifull harmonie of the Scripture in the old and new Testament the one sweetly testifying of the other And 6 heere he omitteth not the miracles which be recorded therein whereby the celestiall doctrine had in the beginning a confirmation Hee putteth vs also in minde of the Martyrs which sealed y e same truth with their blood as we read in the same Scripture By these meanes and such like the spirit teacheth vs out of the very Scripture that the sacred Scripture is Gods word by cleere euidence manifesting that great excellent light which is in the Scripture Ad also vnto the aforesaide meanes the worth and holinesse of those men which wrote the Scriptures as the same is testified and recorded in the Scriptures And this is the internall and principall meane and instrument of the holy Ghost whereby he teaceth vs breedeth faith in our hearts whereby we be certainly perswaded that this Scripture is the very word of God There are also other meanes without the Scripture Externall meanes to proue the scripture to be God word whereby the Spirit proueth the same thing as the
constancie of the Martyrs which daylie seale with their blood the truth of this heauenly doctrine the persecution raised by the enemies of the Church against it the enmitie of Sathan against it and the preseruation of the diuine oracles of God vnto our times and to be short the testimonie of the true Church of God for it All these are without or beside the Scripture and giue vs a secundarie kinde of demonstration whereby the holy Ghost worketh also as it pleaseth him and openeth the eies of our vnderstanding inlightening vs to see and heare God him-selfe speaking and shining in the Scripture But here we be to obserue that the holy ghost doth God rather by these meanes the testimonie of the Church and couersation of the saints prepareth vs to receiue the pretious faith not beget faith in our harts properlie and principallie by this second kinde of externall meanes for the proper and principall instrument of God to breed faith is the very word of God himselfe for it must be necessarilie either the liuely voice of God or the sacred scripture which serueth vs in steede of the liuelie voice of God himselfe but either prepares our hearts only to receiue faith afterwards Io. 4. 1. Pet. 3. 2. 3. wards by the word of God or to confirme the same in some sort beeing already ingendred in our hearts by Gods word For this cause this second kind of meanes sometimes is sent before the voice of God in the scripture whereby the holy Ghost otherwhiles makes mens minds ready to intertaine faith and grace offred This we reade of Augustine for he speaks it of himselfe I would not haue beleeued the gospell but that the authority of the Catholicke Church moued me thereunto by which words he meaneth that when he was a Manichee he was prepared by the authority and testimonie of the Church to beleeue the Gospell Afterwards notwithstanding the same holie spirit which thus prepared him by the testimonie of the Church I say the same spirit did beget faith in Augustines heart by the very scripture of the gospell whereby he did beleeue that the gospell was the verie word of God For this cause he speaks else where of himselfe And let vs follow them saith he which doe inuite vs first to beleeue that which we cannot behold Augustines wordes as yet that being strengthened by faith it selfe we may be worthie to vnderstand what we beleeue not by the relation of men but by the grace of God himselfe inwardlie confirming and inlightening our mindes So the woman of Samaria Io 4. as a member of the Church did by her kinde of preaching prepare the Samaritanes to the faith of Christ they hauing heard Christ himselfe said to the woman We beleeue no longer because of thy sayings for Io 4. 42 1. Pet. 3. 2. 3. Win them with your conuersation which are without the word we haue heard him our selues and know that this is indeed the Christ the Sauiour of the world By which wordes they plainely testified that they were prepared only by the womans testimonie to embrace the faith and that faith was ingendred in their hearts by the powerfull voice of Christ himselfe Wherefore it is cleere that sometimes this kind of meane and argument as is aforesaide goes before faith is begotten in the heart to prepare vs and sometimes this followes faith for confirmation And sometimes also this kinde of argument goes before faith and followes after it it goes before I say for preparation it followes after for confirmation For the spirit teacheth vs many waies applying himselfe to diuers men in diuers Note well Io. 3. manners as it seemeth good vnto himselfe and as mens infirmities do require And here we be to obserue that there is no absolute necessitie of this secondarie kind of argument which is externall and lesse principall to beget faith in vs. For it ought to suffice vs if the spirit teach vs onely by Gods worde but to helpe our weakenes the same spirit addeth the other secondarie kind of argument as Christ plainly teacheth vs Io. 5. where he sayth the testimonie of Iohn Baptist concerning him was not simply necessarie but that God so prouided to helpe their weakenesse and vnbeliefe ver 33. Iohn gaue testimony to the truth but I desire not the testimonie of man Neuerthelesse these things I speake that ye may be saued And that Iohns testimonie was but a secondarie argument only and that Christs owne record of himselfe was the first he sheweth plainly in the words following ver 36. But I haue a greater witnes then the witnes of Iohn for the works which the Father hath giuen me to finish the same works that I do beare witnes of me that the Father sent me And this is our iudgment concerning this argument whereby we proue the Scripture to be the word of God and our answere to the question wherefore it is so as we auouch it What the Papists thinke in this matter it is easily seene How the Papists proue the scripture to bee Gods word by their words and writings Their iudgement briefly is this The meane and principall argument and in a manner the only way with them to demonstrate the scripture to be Gods word is the testimony of the church not only the catholick as they speak but also those of their church which haue preserued the faith as they speake by contiall successions from the Apostles vnto our times and here they vnderstand principally the Popes who as they say succeeded Peter and his chaire These men will haue the Church the iudge and interpreter of all Scriptures from whose iudgement it may not be lawfull for any man to depart for an appeale to any other iudge And they ascribe this dignity prerogatiue to the testimony of the Church because they will haue the Scripture which is written in the heart of the Church to be the principall Scripture and that we account and esteeme of the voice of the Church as the very liuely voice of God himselfe as if God now spake first principally in his Church and by the voice of his Church If they will haue it so that the voice of the Church bee the primarie voice of God and the primarie Scripture of God it is euident that they deeme the greatest light we haue is to be found in the voice of the Church and the same to be most cleere and demonstratiue not only to vs but also in and by it selfe and therefore that this light inlightens the sacred Scripture not in respect of vs only but in respect of themselues also For which cause one of them hath said that the The blasphemy of Papists Scripture is of no more validity without the authority of the church then AEsops fables For the voice of the church being vnto them the primarie voice of God in all respects for as much as it is liuely and vocall and for this cause both by nature
consider the substance onely of the scripture which without all controuersie is most ancient But the verie scripture and writing it selfe hath his excellencie also for that the scripture in respect of the very writing is said to be giuen vs also by diuine inspiration For there is not a iote or pricke in the Scriptura est 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 very writing which is not by the inspiration of God Here the Aduersaries take exception and as els where often so here they prefer their Church before the scripture and they affirme the Church is more ancient then the scripture For they say there was a Church two thousand A Popish obiection full yeares before Moses the first writer of the scripture And since Christs comming the Church for many yeares wanted the scriptures But that which hath beene alreadie written and is aforesaid can easily solue this obiection For if we vnderstand by this word Scripture not only the characters and books but also that substance and matter contained in them for we haue the Prophets and Apostles speaking in the scriptures we haue their liuely voice we haue I say the liuely voice of God himselfe and the very expresse mind of God contained in them if I say we vnderstand by this word that substance it cannot thē be denied but the scripture is more ancient then the Church which was borne not of mortall seed but of immortall euen by the word of God who liueth and endureth for euer 1. Pet. 1. 23. I say the premisses well considered it shall appeare the scripture is not onely more ancient then the Church but to be of greatest antiquitie and to haue beene with God from euerlasting But if by this word ye vnderstand both the matter and writing in this respect also it shall be no disparagement to auouch it to be of greater antiquitie then the Church yea to be most ancient as we haue at large before shewed And thus far of the first propertie of the sacred scripture and of the third controuersie CHAP. X. Of the second propertie of the sacred Scripture where begins the fourth controuersie THe second propertie of the sacred scripture is opened sufficiently in a manner alreadie in the second controuersie before handled This propertie is this that the Scripture is most cleere in it selfe and most easie to be vnderstood for it being the very word of God which word euerie man must necessarily graunt to be in it selfe most cleere most manifest and most perspicuous whether you respect the words or the matter contained in the words if men will not offer extreme iniurie to Gods holy Spirit assuredly it must follow I say that the holy scripture is in it selfe and of it selfe most cleere and euident in euery part and in euerie respect Of this great perspicuitie of the scripture the holy ghost testifieth often Psal 119. The word of the Lord is a lanterne to my feete Psal 19. The precept of the Lord saith the Psalmist is cleere and inlighteneth the eyes Prou. 6. The commandement is a lanterne and the law is a light The Lord by the Prophet Esay chap. 45. 19. saith I haue not spoken in secret and 2. Pet. 1. 19. he saith We haue a most sure word of the Prophets to the which ye do well that ye take heede as to a light that shineth in a darke place Wherefore the whole scripture al places of the scripture are by themselues and in themselues most manifest most cleere and applied also to the capacity of the vulgar sort and of the most vnlettered among the people For it is certaine that the Lord in the scriptures doth as it were lispe with vs Io. 3. 12. If I haue spoken to you of earthly things and you beleeue not that is I haue spoken vnto you after an earthly and plaine manner and I haue applied my selfe to your capacitie c. I haue auouched that the sacred scripture is in it selfe cleere and easie True it is if ye respect men as they are All the scripture cleere and easie to the weakest beleeuer 1. Cor. 2. 14. men that is naturall and carnall the holy scripture vnto such is altogether obscure and strange For the naturall man doth not conceiue the things which appertaine to the Spirit of God But if ye consider the spirituall man and such as be taught of God I grant to such it is partly obscure because they be as yet in part carnall And for this cause the godly put vp continually supplications vnto God as feeling the reliques of their naturall blindnes and corruption and making requests that the eyes of their vnderstanding might be opened that they may behold the bright shining light of the scriptures and of euerie place and portion of the scripture being otherwise most euident in it selfe All the religious and godly in their prayers are so farre from laying any imputation of hardnesse and obscurity on Gods word that they do euer accuse condemne themselues and their owne blindnesse and dulnesse And albeit this be true that all the scripture and all places of the scripture be simply and in themselues most Note cleare and easie and onely darke and hard by reason of our corruption and blindnesse yet this cannot be denied but that some places of scripture be more cleere in themselues then others more easie and more euident as those scriptures concerning faith and manners which bee so necessarie vnto saluation they be I say so cleerely set downe so often repeated and in so manie places expounded that we need not manie rules for interpretation or to find out the knowledge of them But these places also require the grace of Gods holy spirit for without him spirituall things which be most perspicuous and euident cannot be vnderstood of anie man on earth Wherfore he that is ignorant of the most cleere scriptures which doe so much concerne his saluation is altogether blind and lieth as yet in the wofull state of perdition for so the Apostle speaketh If that the Gospell be hid it is hidden to them that are lost 2. Cor. 4. 3. 4. As for other scriptures which are more hard in appearance for that they do not so much concerne the necessarie articles of faith and rules of life and conuersation we may be ignorant of them without danger of faith and saluation albeit the knowledge of such places might bring some light for the better vnderstanding of the How to interpret expound hard scriptures scriptures which of necessity must be knowne concerning faith and manners And we may attaine some tolerable interpretation of these scriptures analogicall vnto faith if we obserue those rules of knowlege and interpretation which are commonly recommended by the learned euer making Gods holy spirit our first and principal guide for our inward illumination and instruction The rules which follow this are but the meanes which the holy Rules Ghost vseth and they are borowed partly out of the 1
holy scripture as by conference of places of the scripture 2 either the very same or the like in sense and phrase partly 3 from els where as of the common places of diuinitie 4 of the testimonie of the Church of the Grammar it selfe 5 specially the Hebrue and Greeke and good rules and 6 helpes are had from Rhetoricke and Logicke which teacheth vs to consider not onely of simple arguments set apart 7 but also of the disposition and connexion of arguments bound and knit together in Axiomes or propositions in syllogisme and methode For Logicke teacheth vs the coherence of Antecedents and consequents which serueth not a little for the vnfolding and opening of hard places And to passe ouer other things some little insight in Ethickes and Physickes c. may giue some helpe hereunto But aboue all things we must remember to put vp vnto God contiuall and feruent prayers to open and to enlighten our minds by his holie Spirit If men obserue these meanes for the interpretation and vnderstanding of the Scriptures and hard places of the Scripture we shal not lightly erre from the truth of God Here fume the aduersaries and endeuour to proue by The drift of Papists in affirming the scriptures to be obscure manie arguments that the Scriptures in themselues and of themselues are obscure euen in those places which are necessarie and appertaine to saluation to this end and purpose forsooth to withdraw mens minds from reading the Scriptures that they may attend and trust to their dreames and that they may obtrude their glosses on the Church euen what please them what for the most part they preferre before the text it selfe writhing as it were and drawing rather the text of Scripture to be their glosse then giuing any light of interpretation by or from the text it selfe And heere they contend against vs with testimonie first of the Scriptures themselues next of the Doctors and Fathers of the Church lastly with arguments of their owne all which may easily be answered if we obserue well the grounds before set downe It shall suffice vs now to heare onely one or two of their arguments refuted They demaund whether for these Scriptures now extant of the old and new Testament we haue no need of commentaries which are now in the world verie manie written by manie men I answer that the diuine Scriptures of themselues haue no need of the comments and interpretations of men for the Scriptures we account thē to be the liuely voice of God himselfe and what is there that can make this voice of God more cleere and euident in it selfe Can either man or Angell speake anie thing more cleerely then God himselfe or doth God purposely affect obscuritie both which to auoch is verie blasphemous As for the Commentaries or expositions Commentaries of the godly learned which haue spent some good time in the Scriptures of God we graunt they helpe the ignorant and the common sort very much and that they serue well to dispell the clouds of our naturall corruption But this may seeme a greater question and more doubtful touching the preaching of Gods word and the expounding of the Scriptures by Pastors and preachers in the publike assemblies whether preaching be not necessarie I meane the liuely preaching of Pastors and teachers I answer the Scriptures of God which we account as the liuely voice of God haue no need of this meanes in themselues I say that God and his word in themselues need neither this preaching nor interpretation of the scriptures But the necessitie of the ministery and of preaching is only in respect of vs and of our blindnesse and ignorance which be but as children yea as infants in a manner all the dayes we liue on earth Ephe. 4. 1. Cor. 13. And when as we shall become men in the world to come then shall we haue neede of no such ministerie for we shal rest contented being filled with that The state of the elect in heauen onely light of God and of Christ without any further instruction of men or Angels And thus farre of the second propertie of the Scripture and of the fourth controuersie CHAP. XI Of the third propertie of the sacred Scripture whereof ariseth the fift controuersie THE third propertie of the sacred Scripture is this It is most * Simplicissima plaine and pure whether ye respect words or phrase neither hath it any ambiguitie or doubtfulnesse in it This property differs frō the former herein for that whereas perspicuitie extendes it selfe and concernes words and matter this simplicitie or plainnesse as I may so speake is of words only This we auouch then that the sacred Scripture is of it selfe most single and plaine voide of all ambiguitie and Circumlocution by speech Amphibologie or that it contayneth nothing doubtfull in one place which is not expressed in another if there be any obscuritie in it For the word of the Lord and his spirit be euer single and sincere neither doth God at any time speake to catch men with ambiguous and doubtfull speeches as doe Diuels and Sophisters but to teach men his holy truth For the spirit of truth leadeth vs into all truth Io. 16. 13. And the Scripture is giuen of God by inspiration is the very word of God as is before shewed Wherefore if we will not offer God extreame iniurie we must necessarily graunt that the Scripture in it self is most plaine and * If the scriptures seeme doubtful condemne thine owne sinne and corruption simple in sense and signification I say the Scripture in it selfe is plaine as touching the sense for if there be any ambiguitie in any words of scripture that diuersitie or darknesse may not be imputed to the Scripture but to the blindnes and ignorance of men euen of such also which do not of any euil purpose of hart peruert the Scripture For there be many which impiously wrest the same to the one side and the other when as they know right well notwithstanding the sense of the same Scripture is onely one plaine and euident To approue this plainenesse and simplicitie of the Scriptures first the Son of God himselfe in his disputations against Sathan and all his aduersaries borroweth hence his weapons by his owne example recommending the sacred scriptures to all men Next after him the Apostles and their successors and the Fathers themselues haue drawen their arguments from the sacred scriptures against Heretickes both for confirmation of truth and confutation of error The aduersaries here contend against this property of the sacred scripture and they hold that that is doubtfull ambiguous and blasphemously report that it hath a nose A lutae instar of waxe and may be turned here and there For which cause they affirme it is the book of Heretiques that of it spring heresies and that al men seeke to maintaine their errors by it But these blasphemies are easily
answered by that which is before shewed For this ambignitie and flexiblenesse is not to be imputed to the scripture which is giuen of God by diuine inspiration and serueth vs in steede of Gods owne voice but must be ascribed either to the ignorance or malice or malapertnesse of men who either cannot apprehend the simple true sense of scripture or malitiouslie peruert and turne the same into a strange sense Here they obiect that the scripture is full of tropes allegories Ob. parables words of diuers significations amphibologicall sentences visions all which haue their ambiguity I answer that this matter may the better be cleered we are to looke a little more soundly into it The A. ambiguity which is contrarie vnto simplicity being in the words and not in the matter for the words are ambiguous and not the matter Let vs reduce all ambiguity 5. Principall heads which is in the words vnto 5. principall heads For first there bee simple or common words of diuers acceptations secondlie there bee tropicall or figuratiue words thirdly there be whole speeches or sentences which carry a doubtfull signification fourthly there be allegorical speeches consisting of the continuation of tropes fiftly there be also typicall words and sentences concerning types and figures Of all these this I say generally that in all such places the holy Ghost hath but one only simple sense and meaning For as touching words of diuers significations if any such words be found in scripture in the originals Hebrue and Greeke as that can not be otherwise but there must be such in the scriptures first I say that such words haue but one signification only in such places and that the holy Ghost purposeth and intendeth but one thing by them For the holy Ghost desireth not to vse any fallacion or sophistication Next I answer that wee may deprehend that one signification and that one plaine How to vnderstand a doubtfull worde Phrase or sentence in scripture meaning of the word we desire to finde either by the drift of the holy Ghost in that place or text where any such word is or by conference of other places of Scripture where the like worde is to be found or by other Scriptures expressing the same sense and matter in other words or by obseruation of Grammaticall accidents accents points or pricks and such like And where we find tropes and words borowed and drawn from their proper and natiue signification in any text of scripture I say that there such words are vsed by y e holy ghost purposely to expresse in a more significant and liuely manner but one sense and meaning As where it is saide this is my body by the Metonymie which is in the word body the spirit speaketh more significantly then if he had said This is a signe of my body For by that metonymicall phrase the holy Ghost plainly auoucheth the sacramentall vnion which is of the signe and of the thing signified Next I say if the trope seeme somewhat obscure and strange that ye may finde the signification of the same trope by a word of proper signification either in the same scripture or in some other scripture where the like trope may be found If ye meet in scripture with a sentence seeming ambiguous A sentence in scripture seeming ambiguous first be wel assured that Gods spirit doth not purposely speake doubtfully as sophisters do but hath euer one single and plaine meaning but men doe both giue and receiue an euill construction of the context either ignorantly or malitiously Next I say that other places of scripture do more cleerly set forth the selfe same matter Finally if you find allegories in scripture of them this I affirme that first they serue for illustratiō next that they haue but one signification or sense and the same is either manifest and needeth no further exposition or if it be obscure it is more cleerly expressed some where else in the scripture And as for scriptures concerning types I say of them also first that they haue but one signification and A typicall speech in scripture signify types only and not also the matters signified by them next that one very sense of the types is applyed to signify another thing that is the body it self for the types themselues cary in them the signification of the things signified and shadowed by the types and not the words themselues which are vsed to set forth the types for in that historie recorded Gal. 4. this name Sarah signifieth Abrahams wife that is the type only next the type signifieth the couenant that is the thing shadowed figured and signified by the type And thus farre of the third property and fift controuersie CHAP. XII Of the Fourth propertie and Sixt controuersie THis we say also cōcerning the sacred scripture that it is most effectuall most liuely and most vocall sounding to euery man an answer of all things necessarie vnto saluation The life which here I vnderstād is not any fleshly or carnal life as the life of man but that spirituall life as the life of God and by a liuely voice I meane a spirituall voice speaking not so much to the eare as to the minde of man For first if ye respect the substance of this diuine reuelation this which I auouch is without all controuersie For the scripture containes in it the word of God which is liuely powerfull c. Heb. 4. Next in respect of the forme of the reuelation thereof that is the very writing of God this is euident in like manner for it was giuen and written by diuine inspiration and whatsoeuer is of this kinde must necessarily be in it selfe both liuely and spirituall Againe this Scripture is vnto vs if not the liuely voice of God yet certainly in stead thereof For we haue none other liuely voice of God but this for as for the voice of the Church pastors and teachers in the Church the same may erre neither may it properly be called the voice of God The voice of God we must auouch of it that it is a liuely voice ergo c. Thirdly the very Scripture speaks of it selfe as hauing a liuely voice as we may reade Rom. 9. The Scripture saith c. Againe Esaias Scripture is said to crie concerning Israel Rom. 9. 27. Fourthly so many as propound questions of any matter necessarie to saluation be sent to it Esaie S. Should not a people inquire at their God from the liuing to the dead Turne rather to the law to the testimonie If they speake not according to this word there is no morning light in them Againe the Sonne of God himselfe so often as any propounded questions vnto him of the law of diuorcement of the Sabboth of the Messias of regeneration and of the resurrection or how to attaine eternall life he alwaies gaue them answer out of the sacred Scripture and euer he sends such as moue any such doubts vnto the Scripture How
readest thou saith hee and haue ye not read Haue ye neuer read How is it written Againe the Apostles of Christ for all their assertions bring proofe and testimonies out of the old Testament Apollos was a man mighty in Scriptures He strongly confuted publiquely the Iewes with great vehemency shewing by the Scriptures that Iesus was that Christ Act. 18. 24. 28. The men of Beraea receiued the word with all readinesse and searched the scriptures daily whether those things were so Act. 17. 11. Thus the primitiue Church and the fathers refuted heresies by the Scriptures To conclude this point most memorable is that worthy fact of Constantinus the Great who propounding the Bible to the Fathers assembled in the Nicene councell spake on this manner Here I set before you the writings Euangelicall of the Apostles and the sanctions of the auncient Prophets which can informe vs concerning the sacred law of God To beat back therefore the dint of the sword of the aduersarie let vs learne how to answer all obiections of the aduersarie out of the words which are giuen vs of God by diuine inspiration Lastly this I haue said that the Scripture is in it selfe liuely and vocall for as concerning deafe and dead men that is the naturall neuer taught of God vnto such I say it is but as deade mute Here the aduersaries blaspheme and reply saying that y e sacred scripture is but as a dead letter mute and not able togiue answere to any man not able to decide questions and controuersies in religion And contrarily they glory that the voice of the Church which proceeds from the Scripture as they speake which is in grauen by Gods own Spirit in the hearts of men they boast I say that this is vocall and able to answer the demaunders of all questions appertaining to saluation that this cannot be wrested nor peruerted but euer abides the same in al respects The answer to this calumniation and blasphemy is cleere of that which is before shewed for we made it cleere and manifest that the sacred Scripture is most liuely and vocall in it selfe And whereas controuersies are not so soone decided by the Scriptures the cause is not in Gods word but in men which be either so naturally blind and dull that they cannot heare vnderstand the Scripture speaking answering yea crying in their eares or they be so malitious and obstinate that they will not heare and vnderstand yea that they will full often against their owne conscience wrest the voice of the Scripture into another sense and that to their owne perdition Wherefore we conclude this point that the scripture is in it selfe 2. Pet. 3. and by it selfe most liuely and vocall And further we be to remember that to the end it may speake as a liuely voice vnto vs and to the end we may vnderstand it concerning all controuersies in religion we must vse the meanes before mentioned our very Grāmar Meanes to be vsed for the vnderstanding of the scripture is one speciall instrument for this purpose For our eies eares are opened by such meanes to vnderstand the Scripture and to attend vnto Gods voice speaking in the scripture if it shall seeme good to the holy Ghost to worke effectually by them in our hearts and minds If so be that the spirit worke effectually by the aforesaide meanes then the Scripture shall answer to all controuersies concerning faith and religion with a more cleere liuely intelligible and distinct voice then all the men in the whole Church shall answer who can auouch nothing sound and certaine vnlesse first they haue receiued it from the mouth of the Scripture and answer in the verie words of the scripture For whereas these men say the voice of the Church is liuely and vocall heard of all men and cannot bee peruerted and wrested To this I answer first that the voice of the Church as is aforesaid doth depend on the voice of the scripture Next that the voice of the Church is subiect to errours and change so that they may this day answer one thing and to morrow another and this serues no better in a manner then a Lesbian rule to decide controuersies concerning faith religion As for the church of Rome they haue so long and so corruptly answered concerning faith and religion that they haue caried the world from the truth to lies and errours and infinite heresies that there is now no cause wherefore these men may so put forth to sale the voice and sound of their Church which is become so corrupt and adulterous CHAP. XIII Of the fift property of the Church and of the seuenth controuersie NOw it resteth that we proue that the sacred Scripture is simply most necessarie Here then I say that if by Scripture yee vnderstand the substance and the verie matter contained in the words written it cannot be denied that the scripture is so necessarie that without it there can be no Church in earth for the church is borne and bred not Fift propertie Scripture is most necessarie of mortall but of immortall seede which is the word of God 1. Pet. 1. 23. But if ye vnderstand by the scripture the verie writing and forme of reuelation I say that in this respect also it is so necessarie that without this there cannot be a Church For the liuely voice of God is simply necessarie The scripture after a sort is the liuely voice of God therefore simply necessarie I graunt it that when as the liuely voice of God did sound and was heard in the Church this writing and this forme of reuelation was not then so necessarie but when as God did cease to speake and that the scripture came in place of Gods own voice then the scripture was no lesse necessary then the liuely voice of God For the voice of God must euer be in the Church that the church may haue her being and may continue on the earth yea this voice must be heard by the Church either by it selfe or by that which may best supply the want of the liuely voice of God Before Moses time this voice it selfe was heard after his time this voice sounded and spake in and by the voice and writings of Moses and the Prophets When Christ was come his owne liuely voice was heard After Christs ascension for a time the 2. Cor. 5. 19. 1. Pet. 2. 19. preaching of the Apostles and the bookes of the old Testament were receiued for the liuely voice of God himselfe and of his sonne Iesus Christ Then followed the Apostolicall Scripture which together with the holy scripture of the old Testament continue in the Church to supply not only the liuely voice of the Apostles but also of God and of Christ himselfe By the premisses it is euident y t it is simply necessary at all times that the liuely voice of God sound euer in the Church of God either by it selfe or by this supply which wee
the Church is one The aduersaries withstand this conclusion and infring it with these arguments First the scripture is not written in mens hearts with the finger of God neither is it the primary voice of God Secondly the scripture is of no antiquity Thirdly it is obscure Fourthly ambiguous c. Bellarmine ads more to these of which ye may read in him They conclude that the voice of the Church is the principall and proper voice of the holy Ghost as he is the Iudge of controuersies Their proofe is this The scripture is written in the heart of the Church with Gods own finger this is the primary voice of God And whatsoeuer excellency wee doe ascribe to the scripture that they attribute to their owne Church which is nothing els but a den of theeues And that the spirit being this great iudge is not bound to one sort of men as those of the Ecclesiasticall function the Pope and Councels as they speak but doth performe this office without all respect of persons in whom and by whom soeuer it seemeth good vnto himselfe this is manifest first for if the holy Ghost be not the Iudge both of the very context of the scripture whether it be Gods word and of the interpretation of scripture if he be not I say in man himselfe assuredly there can be no faith For the spirit only begetteth faith in mans heart Secondly the holy Ghost executeth his other offices freely in by any man therefore so may he this function of iudging What is meant by iudging in the holy Ghost For I demand what els is it to iudge but to inlighten to teach that the scripture is giuen of God by inspiration and that this is the naturall sense of this scripture Thirdly the same we be taught by our experience for we find it true by experience that he doth freely iudge in and by whom it pleaseth him Testimonies of scripture proue also this assertion 1. Cor. 12. 11 And all these things worketh euen the selfe same spirit distributing to euery man seuerallie as he will And Esay 54. All thy children shall be taught of God Ier. 31. I will write my lawes in their harts The aduersaries impugne this truth of God with some argumēts of their owne of which ye may reade in Bellarmine And these men binde the holy Ghost to the Pope and to councels confirmed by him which point our men impugne also refute with many arguments of which this is one that of their conclusion this must be the consequent that the Pope and his councels must be aboue the scriptures which thing is absurd to be graunted See more arguments of this subiect in their disputations CHAP. XVI Of the eight propertie and the tenth controuersie LASTLY we auouch that the sacred scripture is of highest authority excellency and 10. Propertie dignity on the earth Here againe by this word scripture we vnderstand both the substance of it and the writing And here wee meane it hath such excellency as makes it most worthie of credit and whereby also it gaines authority and estimation to the Church For which cause the Church is called the Pillar and ground of truth 1. Tim. 3. 15. And it hath many other titles which are giuen to it often in the scriptures This is prooued by the former demonstrations as these The scripture is the word of God it is most perspicuous it is most pure and simple c. Ergo. The aduersaries vary in iudgment touching this authority of Scripture For some of them detract from this soueraigne authority of it affirming that of it selfe it is not authentical but takes authoritie and estimation from the Church Of this minde are these Eckius in Enchiridio Pighius in his booke de Hierarchia and one Hermannus an impudent Papist he with a black mouth auoucheth it that the scripture is of no more validity without the testimony of the Church then AEsops Fables c. Others more late writers and more subtile say that the scripture hath authoritie in and by it selfe and is authentical but not to vs before the church approue it and ascertain it to be so Of this iudgmēt be these Bellarmine Coclaeus Canus Stapleton Canisius c. They which speake thus that the written word of God is not authenticall to vs before the iudgment of the Church be manifested these men I say haue this meaning that we bee not bound to beleeue that the Scriptures bee authenticall before the iudgment of the Church be past of it and that we sinne not at all if wee beleeue them not before the definitiue sentence of the Church But we hold this to be false also to say that the scripture is not to vs authenticall without the authority of the Church For it is the holy Ghost that teacheth euery man to know beleeue that the scripture is authenticall and hath soueraigne authority in it selfe And this he teacheth not by any externall meane How the holy Ghost teacheth vs what authority the scripture hath first but by the very sacred scripture by which alone he properly breeds faith in our hearts to beleeue and apprehend this truth of God And so we resting on this illumination of the holy ghost teaching vs by the scripture that this is the excellencie and authority of the scripture doe beleeue this to be so albeit the whole world did oppose it selfe against vs. And thus farre of the more essentiall questions concerning scripture CHAP. XVII Questions more accidentall concerning the holy Scripture and first of the bookes wherein the same is contained THE first question is concerning the books of holy scripture These bookes are commonly called for the excellency of them The Bible The Bible as it is commonly receiued and caried in hands containes in it two sorts of books the first is of books Canonicall and the second is Apocryphal Regular or Canonicall bookes are such as giue rule and direction touching faith and manners The bookes of Moses are the first Canon or president sent from God First Canon which may not be iudged or tryed by any other externall Canon whatsoeuer For there was no booke extant before the books of Moses The authoritie of the writer so holy and the euidence of the spirit so powerfull and the holinesse of these books to passe by other arguments so great hath gained these books this high estimation and authority in the Church The books of the Prophets make vp the second Canon which bee adiudged canonicall Second Canon by that externall Canon of the Mosaicall books by which they were examined Next they were and are discerned of such as be taught of God inwardly by the holy Ghost by the great euidence of Gods spirit which is manifested in them both in words and matter The third Third Canon Canon are the Apostolical books of the New Testament which are adiudged and approoued as Canonicall partly by the Canonicall books of Moses partly by the
of light or of naturall knowledge not in whole but in part for there do remaine euen in the vnregenerate certaine generall notions of good and euill things which are commanded and condenmed in the law but they be such as serue only to make men inexcusable for that they are but lame and corrupt Rom. 1. 19. The mind also wants spirituall 2. VVant of spirituall light light not in part but in whole for it is vtterly void of this light for as concerning those things which appertaine to the kingdom of heauen the vnderstandings is so darkened that it doth not only not perceiue them but also hath no power to conceiue them 1. Cor. 2. 14. To be short the minde wants holinesse for the things it vnderstandeth 3. VVant of holinâ—sse in the mind it neither conceiueth them rightly and holily but impiously and prophanely all things euen the things which in and by themselues are good For the facultie of vnderstanding albeit it be not vtterly lost yet that holynes of this facultie wherein it was created after the image of God was vtterly lost in the fall of man This want of this naturall light the Apostle sheweth Rom. 1. 21. Because when they knew God they glorified him not as God These latter wordes plainly shew that the naturall light of the minde is but a dim light and soone vanisheth away The want of the spiritual light the Apostle sheweth 1. Cor. 2. 14. The naturall man perceiueth not the things of the spirit of God The want of sanctitiy in y e vnderstanding the Apostle sheweth Rom. 8. 7. The wisdom of the flesh is enmity against God euen then when it vnderstaÌ„deth those things which otherwise be in themselues true good 2. Cor. 3. 8. Not that we are sufficient of ourselues to thinke any thing to wit well and holily Eph. 4. 18. Hauing their cogitation darkened being estranged from the life of God And there ver 23. And be ye renewed in the spirit of your minde And thus farre of the want or defect which is in the mind There is also a quality in the minde which hath succeeded or stept in place of that light and holinesse which was lost in the fall of man For darknes hath taken possession in the very seate of light Ephesi 5. 8. Yee were in times past darknes but now ye are light in the Lord. In place of sanctitie integrity haue crept in impuritie and a certaine malitiousnesse of nature which euidently appeareth when it is said Rom. 8. 5. For they that are after the flesh sauour the things of the flesh This wisdome is of some euill quality 1. Cor. 1. 18. The preaching of the crosse is to them that perish foolishnesse And 1. Cor. 2. 14. For they are foolishnes vnto him This word foolishnes argueth the peruerse iudgment of the minde Thus far of the want of the mind the contrary quality crept thereinto Both these in like manner are to be seene in the will and in euery affection The want of integrity The will corrupted and vprightnes in the will the Apostle testifieth saying I find no meanes to performe that which is good Rom. 7. 18. and Phil. 2. 13. It is he which worketh in you both the will and the deed The corruption and frowardnes of the will and of the motions thereof is testified by many scriptures As Gen. 6. 5. 6. The conceit of a mans heart is only euill Eph. 2. 3. Doing the will of the flesh and of the minde Finallie this I say that mans will is more poisoned by this originall corruption then the minde is for which Video meliora proboque deteriora sequor cause the very heathen could say I see approue by the light of reason the better things but through the corruption of my will I incline to the worser And this the Apostle saith Eph. 4. 18. Affirming that the ignorance The will worse then the mind which is in men is by reason of the hardnesse of their hearts Rom. 1. 28. They regarded not to know God therefore God deliuered theÌ„ vnto a reprobate mind Note how the obstinate will resisteth the light of the mind and causeth the mind to be ouerclouded And thus far of the threefold matter of originall sinne These parts of the materiall cause of originall sin because they are so many Beings * Entia and are of God euery one of them must retaine in them some goodnes as we say in respect of their being for that very apostasie and falling away was good in it selfe as so the want of originall iustice because it is athing in nature and a consequent of that Apostasie this want I say as it is of God is good in it selfe and to conclude that positiue qualitie which succeedeth in place of that holinesse and image of God for the being thereof is of God as principall efficient and is good in itselfe The forme of originall sinne followeth And this is a The forme of originall sinne very speciall repugnance against the law of God causing a very speciall kind of sinne And like as the matteriall cause of originall sinne is threefold so there is in it a threefold * 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 repugnance against God and his law For euery part of the materiall cause hath a repugnance against the law in it and so a forme which is from another in respect whereof it is sinne The first Apostasie hath in it a repugnance against God and so the want of originall iustice and the positiue quality also which succeeded in place thereof This threefold iniquitie * Or breach of Gods law is not of God as efficient but from the euill instruments the deuill first next Adam and lastly the very man which is of Adams progenie For we also which are sick of this hereditarie euill are the very causes of our sicknes And thus far of the forme of originall sin Now we be to define originall sinne of the matter and forme thereof on this wise Originall sinne is an apostasie from God a want of Originall iustice and a certaine positiue qualitie repugning against the law of God The threefold Originall sin defined materiall cause stands for the genus of it and for the forme the threefold breach of Gods law And like as guilt in general is the consequent of sin in general so a speciall guilt Guilt following originall sin is consequent to originall sin and this is threefold also as the matter and forme of this sinne is threefolde For the apostasie hath his speciall guiltinesse following it so also the want of originall iustice and that positiue quality And euery guiltinesse merits death and eternall damnation It resteth now that seeing we see this sinne originall is deriued by propagation from the parents to the children that we search out the manner thereof and this may bee expressed on this wise The propagation of sin must be by one of these 3. waies
is he who heareth the word and by and by receiues it with ioy yet hath no roote in himselfe but is for a time and when persecution and trouble ariseth because of the word is offended presentlie To the same purpose reade I. uk 8. 13. Of this faith see also Heb. 6. 4. 5. For it cannot be that they which haue beene once inlightened and tasted of the good word of God and of the powers of the world to come if they fall awaie c. To conclude of this faith ye haue Ioh. 5. 35. He namely Iohn was a burning and a shining candle and ye would for a time haue reioiced in his light The reason of the name is this it is called Temporarie because it endures but for a time and it endureth but for a time because it hath no roote It hath the same obiect with iustifying faith which is properly so called namely Iesus Christ with his benefits offered in the word of the Gospell and in the Sacraments wherein it differs from historicall faith which hath for the obiect thereof the vniuersall truth It hath The subiect of a temporary faith the same subiect with iustifying faith for it hath it scat both in the mind and also in the will and heart Last of all it hath as many parts of nature as the iustifying faith hath For it is a knowledge of the vnderstanding conioyned with both the iudgements of the mind it is the apprehension of the wil or heart whereout follweth also the stirring of the affections as of ioy delight c. But that I may speake a little more largely of this apprehension which is in Temporarie faith and of this ioy First it is certaine by the scripture that these things are in the Temporarie faith For Christ saith in Matth. That hee which is but for a time doth receiue the word and that with ioy And in Ioh. The Iewes are said to haue reioiced for a time in the light of Iohn Baptist And to the Hebr. How the historicall and temporary saith differ one fro another and both from the iustifying there is attributed to this faith not onely the enlightening of the mind but also the taste of the heart and that performed not onely by the word but also by the Spirit for he saith They which haue beene made partakers of the holy Ghost Therefore in Temporarie faith there is indeede a kind of apprehension there is indeede a certaine ioy wherein Temperarie faith differeth from historicall faith For in historicall faith these things are not indeed but he that hath it doth faine and dissemble and lie in his outward profession that he hath these things wherfore he is a shamelesse hypocrite But hee that hath temporarie faith hath these things indeede apprehension I say and ioy after a certaine manner neither doth he so faine or sie as he that hath an historical faith yet he is an hypocrit because this apprehension and this ioy are not sincere albeit after a certaine manner they be true I say they are not sincere because they are not for that cause for which they should be that is they are not for Christ himselfe offered in the preaching of the Gospell they are not for Gods sake they are not for his glory nor for those heauenly benefits of Christ his righteousnes and eternall life but they are for other causes as for the newnesse of the Gospell which is to bee vnderstood in that place Ioh. 5. 35. He was a burning a shining candle and ye would haue reioiced for a time in his light namely for the newnesse of the matter Secondly they be because of a licentiousnesse to sinne which men by and by snatch to themselues vpon the hearing of free iustification by Christ and Christian liberty To conclude they are for riches honours and other commodities of this life Now seeing the Temporizing professor hath these causes propounded to himselfe in hearing and receiuing the word and in reioycing it must needes be that these are not sincere in him For nothing is done sincerely vnlesse it bee Synceritie done in respect of the glorie of God And herein differs Temporarie Faith from iustifying For the iustifying Faith doth all things for Christ himselfe for God himselfe for the heauenly and spirituall benefits of Christ as much as it can for mans infirmity Out of this therfore it followes that the Temporizer is also an hypocrit seeing he is not sincere and that the Temporizer is an hypocrit temporary faith is hypocriticall seeing it is not sincere Out of that againe that it is not sincere another thing followeth namely that it is not sound firme for nothing that is not sincere can be sound For those causes vpon which it depends are not sound as for example those worldly things as riches honours of the world c. In which thing temporary Faith differeth from iustifying Faith for iustifying Faith as it is sincere so it is sound For of that it is said Col. 2. 5. And the stedfastnesse of your The difference betwene a temporary faith and true iustifying faith faith in Christ For iustifying Faith is as it were a solide body consisting of three dimensions length bredth depth for it possesseth the depth and lowest of the heart but temporary Faith is not a body with three dimensions but only a surface sticking in the vpper part of the heart for it is not either a sound light enlightening all the heart or a sound apprehension arising from the bottome of the heart or to conclude a sound ioy possessing the whole body but all these things are only superficiall in the temporary Faith Whereupon Heb. 6. that apprehension of heauenly things which is therein is compared to tasting or sleight touching seeing that the heart doth but as it were with the tip of the tongue lightly tast those heauenly things and not quite drinke them vp and receiue them into it selfe Againe out of this that temporarie Faith is not sound another thing also followeth namely that it doth not endure for euer but onely for a time For that which is not sound is not durable and perpetuall but only temporary Wherein also it differeth from iustifying faith which as it is sound so it is perpetuall and constant From this property this faith tooke her name and was called temporary now this property doth presuppose the two other going before namely first that it is not sounde secondly that it is not sincere albeit it bee in some sort true While I consider somewhat more diligently of the cause of these three properties I found that it is not to be imputed so much to those outward things for which this faith doth apprehend Christ in the word and reioiceth in him as to the inward euill affection of the heart For the heart of man as Christ sayth is stony ground that is it is neither good nor honest of it owne nature Now we measure this goodnesse and honesty
chiefly by simplicity and sincerity which is opposed to hypocrisie and dissembling Therefore a deepe hypocrisie which is contrary to sincerity possesseth the heart of this man Now the heart so affected doth beleeue apprehend and reioice not sincerely for a true cause for which it ought to do these things but for other worldly causes It followeth therefore that the cause of these euils doth lurke in the heart Wherefore if any man will not be a temporizer A good admonition for a temporizer let him aboue all things looke to his heart and sift and examine it diligently night and day so long till hee feele that the faith of Christ takes roote in the bottome of his heart and doth throughout possesse the whole heart as much as may be Out of these things which we haue spoken touching the properties of this faith and of the cause of them a marke may be taken whereby any one may discerne true iustifying faith from temporary And that is in a word sincerity in doing in beleeuing in apprehēding in reioicing Synceritie in doing all things throughout the whole course of the life Now sincerity is knowne by this if all things be done and performed by vs for God and for Christ whether those things be of small or great moment Whether ye eate or drinke or whatsoeuer ye doe doe all to the glory of God 1. Cor. 10. 31. By these things which haue beene spoken it is easie to gather a definition of this faith For Tempor F. defined temporary faith is a knowledge in the minde and an apprehension in the will of Christ with all his benefits but yet tēporary or enduring but for a time And thus much of temporary faith The miraculous faith followeth which is the third vnproper signification of the word of faith Touching this faith these are testimonies Matth. 17. Yf ye haue faith as a graine of mustard seed 1. Cor. 13. If I had all faith so that I could remoue mountaines The reason of the name is this 4. Miraculous faith It is termed miraculous from the effect of it because it is powerfull to doe miracles The obiect thereof is not the bare generall word of God but rather a special promise or reuelation made to some one touching the doing of some certaine miracle Now that the bare generall word sufficeth not it appeareth hereby for because many holy men haue had faith in the generall word yea they haue iustifying faith in the promise of grace and yet could doe no miracles Simon Magus beleeued by an historicall faith in the generall word and yet he could do no miracles therefore hee would haue bought this facultie with money for a price Act. 8. 31. Vnlesse therefore vnto the generall word there be added a speciall promise or reuelation it is no miraculous faith which is a certaine speciall and extraordinarie gift of the Spirit Wherein the Aduersaries do erre verie much who thinke that the generall word sufficeth for this to make a miraculous faith The subiect of it The subiect of a miraculous faith is the mind first vnderstanding and withall iudging the speciall promise and then the will or the heart apprehending that which is promised The parts of the nature thereof are a knowledge with a iudgement of the mind and an apprehension with the will and heart Out of these things now spoken I gather this definition of this Faith that Miraculous faith is a Miraculous faith defined knowledge in the mind and an apprehension with the will of a speciall promise or reuelation for the doing of a miracle Thus farre of miraculous Faith and in summe of the true doctrine of faith CHAP. XXXI The opinion of the Aduersaries concerning Faith IT followeth now that we see briefly what the aduersaries doe hold touching Faith First they do not acknowledge the diuers significations of Faith they entreat onely of one faith and that they terme iustifying that is as they expound the word that The Popish opinion of Faith which disposeth vs to iustice being to be infused after in the time thereof Thus thinks Bellarmine in his Treatise touching faith In this doctrine of faith which they terme iustifying they differ from vs first about the obiect of it Indeede they doe not denie that the obiect of faith is the mercie of God in Iesus Christ offered in the Gospell that is that it is the Gospell and the promises of grace concerning Christ and Gods mercie in him But they will haue the obiect to be not onely the word of the Gospell but equally the vniuersall word of God To confirme this opinion of theirs they alleage that definition of faith which is set downe Heb. chap. 11. 1. Faith saith the Apostle is the ground of things that are hoped for and the euidence of things which are not seene This say they is the definition of iustifying faith But this definition stretcheth it selfe not onely to Christ to the promises of God and to the Gospell concerning him but also to the whole word of God to all things that are contained in the word of God For example it stretcheth it selfe to the word of God which is concerning the creation of the world as is euident by vers 3. which followeth in the same chap. By faith we vnderstand that the world was ordained by the word of God Hence they conclude that iustifying faith hath the whole word for the obiect of it But to this we answer that not onely iustifying Faith is defined by the Apostle in that place but that that definition of Faith is common to all the significations of faith as is plaine enough by that induction of examples which followeth in that place and chapter Neither is that their argument which they gather out of the coherence of the text of anie force They say that that faith is defined of which the Apostle spake in the last verses of the chapter going afore Now the iust shall liue by faith c. But there the Apostle spake of iustifying Faith therefore heere in the 11. chap. iustifying faith is defined I answer this definition I confesse doth belong to iustifying faith but not to that alone but it is commō to it with other significations of Faith as with historicall Heb. 11. 1. A generall definition of faith common to all kinds of faith faith and miraculous c. as is euident by the induction that followeth Seeing therefore that this definition doth not onely belong to iustifying faith it followeth that out of this definition they get not that they would haue namely that the obiect of iustifying Faith is equally the vniuersall word of God Therefore let the obiect thereof properly be that which it apprehendeth and that is the Gospel and the promise concerning Christ Secondly they dissent from vs about this same speciall obiect namely the mercy of God in Christ For we say and affirme that the obiect of iustifying faith is not onely a generall mercy
nor only a generall promise touching Christ but much rather a speciall mercy and a speciall promise that is mercy offered in the Gospel not in common to all but peculiarly to me or to thee For albeit the promises and sentences of the Gospell be conceiued generally yet it is certaine that they are to be receiued particularly by euery one as if they were spoken to euery one in seuerall as for example Ioh. 3. the promise of the couenant of grace is conceiued generally in these words Whosoeuer beleeueth in the Sonne shall not perish but haue life euerlasting This promise is indeed generally conceiued but it is to bee vnderstood particularly and singularly by euery one as if it had beene spoken to me or to thee If thou beleeuest in the Sonne thou shalt not perish but haue euerlasting life The Apostle 1. Tim. 1. doth vnderstand this generall sentence namely that Christ Iesus came into the world to saue sinners no otherwise then if it had beene pronounced onely concerning himselfe whereupon he doth apply it particularly vnto himselfe assuming by name that he is the sinner and concluding How the beleeuer is to make a syllogisme in forme at the least secretly that Christ came into y e world to saue him by name We may make trial of this thing by those promises that are made specially in the Gospell to saue certaine men as to the man sicke of the palsie Matt. 9. to the woman that was a sinner Luk. 7. to the Adultresse Ioh. 8. to Zacheus Luk. 19. to the thiefe Luk. 23. For the Spirit of Christ when any generall promise or sentence touching Christ and his mercie is alleaged doth no lesse particularly now apply the same to euerie man by speaking inwardly to the heart of euery one then at that time Christ did by his liuely voice apply those particular promises to some certaine persons Roman 3. Whē the righteousnes of God is said to belong to al beleeuers and that without distinction it is plainly signified that that righteousnesse is offered to men of euerie sort and condition and also propounded to euery seuerall person 1. Tim 2. after he hath admonished that wee are to pray for all men he addeth that God will haue all men to be saued and come to the knowledge of the truth Out of which it followeth that in the publishing of the Gospell God hath respect not onely of all men in common but also distinctly of euery seuerall person which regard also he will haue vs to haue in our prayers What neede many words For if there were nothing els that did The mercie of God in Christ offered generally to all the world particularly applied to euery one by the Spirit is the obiect of iustifying faith teach this the administration of the Sacraments alone hath force enough in it to proue that the mercy of God in Christ is offered specially to euerie one For in both the sacraments the seales of that mercy are giuen and offered to euery one seuerally And let this suffice to shew that speciall mercy as it is called is the obiect properly of iustifying Faith against which our aduersaries hold The obiect of iustifying Faith being made to bee a generall mercy it followeth that faith in the opinion of our aduersaries is generall and not a speciall assent For seeing there is only a generall mercy propounded generally to the Church and not offered particularly to the seuerall members therof how can any particular man challenge that particularly to himselfe which is not spoken and offered particularly But we affirme that iustifying faith is that whereby euery beleeuer doth particularly not onely assent to the promise that it is true in it selfe but also apprehends with the heart the promised thing and applies it properly to himselfe For this being made plaine that the mercie of God was particularly offered to euery one it followeth that faith must be particular But for the proofe hereof there are almost infinite testimonies of the Scriptures we will be content but with a few Gal. 2. 20. And the life that I now liue in the flesh I liue by faith in the Sonne of God who loued me and gaue himselfe for me Marke here he doth by faith peculiarly apply to himselfe the Sonne of God and his life his loue and his death Neither is there any cause why any one should say that this might be lawfull for the Apostle who had some extraordinary reuelation of that thing but that it is not lawfull to the common sort of Christians in as much as the Apostle doth in this place beare the person of euery Christian and beleeuing man Rom. 8. For I am perswaded that neither death nor life c. Marke here that speciall trust and particular application is pointed at by the verbe of the singular number Beside that which is cited out of Habakuck by the Apostle The iust shall liue by faith doth sufficiently insinuate a speciall faith for thereby is signified that euery iust person doth liue by his faith that is by a speciall assent to and application of the righteousnesse of God in Christ Matth. chap. 9. a particular faith is commended to the man sicke of the palsie to whom it was saide Sonne be of good comfort thy sinnes be forgiuen thee Ioh. 3. when it is said He that beleeueth in the Sonne hath eternall life that verie same speciall faith is signified which is when euerie one doth assent particularly to and apply to himselfe euerlasting life offered to himselfe What neede manie words The same thing doth that verbe I beleeue which is found in the Apostles Creede teach For to beleeue is there specially and particularly to beleeue Out of the generall mercy and generall faith of the aduersaries followeth the vncertaintie of particular faith and of Gods peculiar grace which they defend For it is easily discerned that vncertaintie doth follow necessarily out of that generality first a doubtfulnesse of mercy then of faith For when as mercy is propounded and offered not specially but generally and when there is onely a generall assent of faith how can I be certaine of that mercy which pertaines not certainly by name to me But that there is a certainty of faith against which they hold first it easily appeareth by those things which haue The certainty of faith beene spoken of Gods speciall mercy and speciall faith For seeing mercy is offered particularly to thee and to me c. and I againe assent particularly to it now am I certaine of that mercy that it is mine specially seeing I doe already by faith and speciall application possesse it For Christ dwelleth in our harts by faith that is we now possesse Christ and doe enioy him as present Of this speciall certainty see Rom. 4. 16. The inheritance is of faith that it may be by grace to the end the promise may be firme to the seed And in the same Chapter ver 18. Which Abraham against hope beleeued
truth receiued from his Fathers notwithstanding he became an Apostata and an Idolater as is manifest by the historie Next there was an intermission also when the people liued in Egypt for from the death of the Sonnes of Iacob euen to the departure out of Egypt Ezechiel testifieth Chapter 20. that al the people were fallen frō God to the Idols of the Egyptians Lastly there was an intermission from Malachy the last of the Prophets vntil Iohn Baptist in all which time no Prophet was raised vp notwithstanding the word of God was cōtinued amongst the people of y e Iewes by high Priests and the ordinary ministery but not without corruptions so that at the comming of Christ for the more part the doctrine of truth was now corrupted Q. Ought not the liuely voice of God which is not subiect to errour bee continued in the Church vntil the comming of VVhether a liuely voice not subiect to error continues til Christ Christ because you said that this liuely voice did continue in the Church till the comming of the Apostles only A. The liuely voice of Christ continues in the Church I confesse but not the liuely voice either of God or of extraordinary men such as were the Fathers Prophets and Apostles but only the liuely voice of ordinary men of pastours and doctors who both may erre do erre whensoeuer they depart neuer so little from the prescript word of the Prophets and Apostles Q. But God hath giuen a greater measure of his holie spirit to his Church which now is vnder Christ then euer he gaue to the old Church Therefore if in the old Church there was a liuelie voice which could not erre how much more shall there be now in the Church of Christ a liuelie voice which cannot erre A. It is true indeed that together with this full reuelation which is cōtained in the writings of the Apostles a more full spirit was giuen to the Church of Christ which now is then was giuen to the the old Church But hence it followeth not that either the Church or the Pastors and doctors in the Church are so gouerned with that Spirit that they cannot at all erre in deliuering the truth For this was the extraordinarie gift of the holy Ghost which was giuen but for a time but the gift of the Spirit which was giuen to the Church of Christ since the times of the Apostles is ordinarie and perpetuall to wit the gift of sanctification illumination and regeneration Q. The Church then which now is seemes to be in a worse case then the old Church was which had the liuely voice of God of men which could not erre A. That doth not follow for this Scripture of the Prophets and Apostles which nowe the Church hath doth not erre in doctrine and containes also a most full and most cleare reuelation of the truth Q. Albeit I should graunt the condition of our Church to better then of that old Church which was before Moses and which had the tradition and vse onely of the liuely voice and that verie imperfect and obscure notwithstanding I see not how the Church was not in better case which was after Moses euen to the comming of Christ as hauing not onely the vse of tradition and of a liuelie voice but also of the Propheticall Scripture as a light shining in a dark place A. Truly that Church had both that is both the sound of a liuely voice and of the Scripture and written word of God but neither perfect and absolute But this Scripture which our Church alone hath containes a most full and plaine reuelation for euen one forme or maner and kind of reuelation which is perfect and full must be more excellent then two which are both imperfect or which containe an imperfect reuelation of the truth Q. But there is no man who would not say it were better with this our Church if it had some liuelie voice which in speaking and answering to all controuersies might not erre A. They haue Moses the Ptophets and Apostles that is the writings of Moses of the Prophets and of the Apostles and those truely not onely sufficient but most perfect whēce only if they cānot learne the truth by thē and decide and end all controuersies they will not be instructed with the liuely voyce of anie extraordinary man howbeit as I haue said before the liuely voice was to continue onely so long in the Church as some thing was wanting to the full declaration of the mystery of Christ So that if now there should be any need of the liuely voice either of God or of some extraordinarie man in the Church of Christ that truly should plainely argue that the reuelation of the truth and mysterie of Christ is not perfect as yet nor accomplished Q. You conclude then that since the Apostles time there hath beene no liuelie voice heard in the Church which could not erre A. Yea truely Q. Whie did a liuelie voice not subiect to errour continue in the Church all that time which was from Adam to the Apostles A. To speake nothing of the will of God with the which alone we ought to rest contented first the condition of the Church did require this continuance then the measure of the reuelation that then was Q. Whie the condition of the Church A. Because the visible Church in all that time which was from Adam to the Apostles was both in place more streight as being shut vp in one family or in one nation was by reason of age weaker or not so wel growne For the Church before Christ if I may so speake was either as a child or as a young man Q. What then A. The liuely voice doth more easily reach or extend it selfe to a Church which is in place more streight and to the Saints fewer in number the church being as yet vnexpert by reason of the age of it and lesse growne had neede of the liuely voice of a teacher none otherwise then children haue neede of the liuely voice of a maister who as it were stammereth with them but after the comming of Christ when the Church was sufficiently instructed by the liuely voice of Christ and of his Apostles and now come to mans estate there was no more heard anie liuely voice either of God or of men extraordinarie Q. Whie did the measure of Reuelation require this A. Because all that time which was from Adam to the Apostles there remained as yet some thing more clearely and more manifestly to be reuealed and the reuelation of the doctrine was in seuerall ages made more manifest still as pertaining to the substance of it and so long as some thing remained to be more clearely reuealed so long a liuely voice was to continue for euerie new reuelation ought first to begin with a liuely voice Q. Seeing that the last and most full reuelation was by the liuelie voice of Christ and his Apostles hath there euer since