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A08569 A learned and very eloquent treatie [sic], writen in Latin by the famouse man Heironymus Osorius Bishop of Sylua in Portugal, wherein he confuteth a certayne aunswere made by M. Walter Haddon against the Epistle of the said bishoppe vnto the Queenes Maiestie. Translated into English by Iohn Fen student of Diuinitie in the Vniuersitie of Louen; In Gualtherum Haddonum de vera religione libri tres. English Osório, Jerónimo, 1506-1580.; Fenn, John, 1535-1614. 1568 (1568) STC 18889; ESTC S100859 183,975 578

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deuised and wronght by the labour studie and diligence of Satan What rage hath so driuen you what madnes hath so stirred you that you durst set vpon so wicked an enterprise For you haue made open warres against honestie and chastitie you haue furiously brokē into the holy Monasteries you haue ouerthrowen bashfulnes honestie and continencie you haue chased awaie that most excellent loue of perpetual virginitie you haue geuen the goods of religions personnes to whome you listed and now when you triumph at the fall of chastitie and Religion you so vaun● your selues in it as though you had by this noble victorie gotten euerlasting fame and honour Now foloweth the disputation of the pulling downe of Images whiche you like verie well and are offended with me bicause I should saie that when the images are takē awaie there is nothing left wherby the mind might be stirred vppe to thinke vpon godlie thinges The which I neuer spake For there are manie other thinges whiche you haue ouerthrowen together with the ymages that moue our mindes more vehemently then they doe But this much I saied For so much as Images are verie good and effectuall to bring al men especially ▪ the vnlearned to the remembraunce of the wonderful vertue which shone sometimes in the holy Saintes and it were expediēt that the benefit of Christ should be represented vnto vs by al signes in al places it was wickedly done of them that pulled downe Crosses and Images For we doe neither praie nor offer nor sacrifice vnto them but we are by them put in remembraunce of those thinges that are of dew to be worshipped It is saie you against the expresse commaund●ment of God I would your doctours would instructe you better in Diuinitie that you might no more babble out such childi●h toyes Tell me I praie you haue you neuer read that there were in the tabernacle of God Images of Cherubines set before the Arke of promise The vele whiche diuided the inner part from the reste of the tabernacle was is not wrought betwene with manie Images of Cherubines Was there not made the Image of a Serpent in brasse by the commaundement of God in the wildernes vpon the whiche suche as were bitten of serpentes looked and were healed What Images then hath God forbidden to be made Those Images without dowbte by the whiche men blinded with synne went abowte to expresse a thinge that can neither be deuised nor painted nor engrauen nor expressed wyth woordes nor conceiued with the heare that is the infinite Maiestie of God Besides this there was greate daunger lest the people being now acqueinted with the manners of the Aegiptians being also abowt to goe into a land which was infected with the selfe same errours might through familiaritie and neighbourhood of these vngodlie nations fall into the like errour and offer vp sacrifice vnto goddes made of stockes and stones or at the least make the ymages of some naughty and vile men and set them vp in the place of God The feare of this daunger caused manie thinges to be taken quite awaie which had ben otherwise lawfull and tolerated The ymage of the brasen serpent was diligently kept as a goodlie monument of the benefite of God and singular sacrament of the saluation to come But after manie yeares when the people were come to such madnes that they thought there had benne some diuinitie in the ymage and therfore offered sacrifice vnto it it was by the holie King Ezechias broken and made into powder Shew you now that we doe goe about to expresse the nature of God by signes or that we thinke that ther is anie godhead in dome images and then may you wel conuince vs of blindnesse and folie So long as you doe not this there is no cause whie you should feare the dotage of idolatrie as you terme it or laie blindnesse to our charge with such● monstruous wordes For we doe that that is by right and reason ordeined by the holie Churche approoued by sentence of holy Fathers determined The gospell say you commaundeth vs to absteine from Images That is true But what must we vnderstand to be ordeined by this commaundement For sooth this that no man should offer vp sacrifice to Images or for anie pretense of religion make as though he did follow the errour that was in other men For the faithful men were not then commaunded to ouerthrow and breake their Images but to forsake the detestable Sacrifices Moreouer what Images were those Of Iuppiter Apollo Minerua Mars and Mercurie and other the like Goddes which were thought of old time to be verie true goddes in deede But we doe neither offer vp sacrifice vnto idols neither doe we thinke the Images of vncleane and vicious men to be worthie of any reuerence in the world You say afterward But this feare being taken awaie yet must the doctrine of Christ haue ful authoritie ●mongest Christian men in the which it is plainlie said that God is a spirite and that the true order of praying to God is to worship him in spirite and ●rewth Of like we know not that M. Haddon and therefore doe we make God like a man both in bodie and māners Would God you had learned what it is to worship God in spirite and then had you neuer fallē into such vngodly opinions You say that the true ordre of praying nedeth not these helpes of outward thinges Although you and such as you are hauing nowe waded so farre in the exercise of spiritual life neede not these outwarde helpes but may without them presse euen to the throne of God yet should you remembre that there are manie that are not yet come to so high a degree of heauenlie perfection as you be and therfore haue neede to be holpen by all meanes possible Not so saie you but raither while our owtwarde man is to muche occupied in these shadowes of holie thinges the feruencie of the minde waxeth colde within Not so M. Haddon but rather while the minde waxeth colde within it is by these outwarde representations of holie thinges to be stirred vp to remembre those thinges that were forgotten for as Dionysius teacheth vs so long as we are inclosed within the frame of this bodie and can not altogether withdrawe our minde from the acqueintance of the bodie we are to be stirred vp nowe and then by bodilie Images to the remembrance of the inuisible God This not withstanding you goe fore warde and saie Let vs put examples The old Church of the Apostles and Martyrs had none of all these monumentes and yet was their spirite moste earnestly inflamed with the loue of God In the wane of ●ure Religion pictures crope in by litle and litle and so appalled in the heartes of men that former boyling heat of Religion Not so sir but then were Images and pictures necessarie to stirre vp againe by almeanes the feruencie of religion which was as you say appalled For so long as