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A35717 Truth-triumphant in a dialogue between a Papist and a Quaker : wherein (I suppose) is made manifest, that quaking is the off-spring of popery : at least, the Papist and the Quaker, are (fratres uterini) both of one venter. Derby, Charles Stanley, Earl of, 1628-1672. 1671 (1671) Wing D1090B; ESTC R16515 10,629 18

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confess they were Prot. Then hereafter tell us no more of our Common-Prayer being taken out of the Mass and now we are speaking of the Jews let me tell you that you make use of the same Arguments to oppose us that the Jews did to oppose our Saviour they urged to our Saviour That he was an Innovator and that he opposed the Traditions of their Church which say they had continued from the establishment of it by God in Moses's time This method you observe against us calling us Innovators who are the chiefest opposers of Innovation for our Churches endeavour is to cast off what you have Innovated in Christian Religion Let me ask you one Question Do not you believe all that the Church of England believes Papist We do but we believe more Prot. Then let me tell you whatsoever in more are Romes Superstructures and Innovations and ought to be rejected of all true Christians Papist I doubt I have kill'd the wrong man for I doubted not from a Quaker to have made you one of us but instead of that I have made you a Protestant and for ought I know I may chance to be one too But I will not quit the Field yet but have more discourse with you Protest With all my heart for me-thinks the more I discourse with you the more I am enabled above my capacity which 〈◊〉 must attribute to Gods good 〈…〉 who enables me a wea●…●●●rument of his to defend 〈◊〉 Truth Papist I●… 〈◊〉 be the Truth I wish it may appear so in the mean time I shall proceed thus Your Religion was never heard of before ●●●her s time Protest Is not that Argument worn thread-bare yet But seeing you insist upon it I shall repeat unto you for answer the words of a Learned Man out of his Epistle Dedicatory to His present Majesty the words as I remember are these Since that great Miracle of Divine Providence in your Majestie 's Stilling fleet most happy Restauration we have seen those who before triumphed over the Church of England as dead as much expressing their envy at Her resurrection Neither could it otherwise be expected but that so sudden a recovery of Her former Lustre would open the mouths of Her weak but contentious Adversaries who see Her shine in a Firmament so much above them But it is a part of Her present Felicity that they are ashamed of the insulting Question What is become of your Church now and are driven back to their old impertinency Where was your Church before Luther They might as well alter the Date of it and ask where She was before your Majesties Restauration For as She only suffered an Eclipse in the late Confusions no more did She though of a longer stay in the times before the Reformation and it was Her great Honour that She was not awakened out of it as of old they fancied by beating of Drums or the rude Clamours of the People but as She gradually regained Her Light so was it with the Influence of Supreme Authority which has caused so close an Union and Combination of Interests between them that the Church of England and the Royal Family have like Hippocrates his Twins both wept and rejoyced together And nothing doth more argue the excellent constitution of our Church than that wherein the purity of Christian Doctrine is joyned with the most hearty acknowledgment of your Majestie 's Power and Supremacy Thus far that learned Author I shall add further That if a Church Eclipsed or unseen shall be the destruction of it or that there was ever any such thing I would very fain know where the Church of God was when it was said the whole World was turn'd Arrian and before our Saviour came into the world how often was the Church of God invisible and the Worship or Religion appointed utterly overthrown by Idolaters Such as the Church of God was in those days the same our Church was before the Reformation and where the one was there was the other in Dens and Caves and in the hearts of good and Religious Men where God did receive an acceptable Sacrifice We see in the 19 Chap. of the first Book of the Kings verse 10. how 1 Kings Cap. 19. Ver. 10. invisible the Church of God was by the expression of the Prophet Elias there I have been very jealous for the Lord God of Hosts for the Children of Israel have forsaken thy Covenant broken down thine Altar and ●●●in thy Prophets with the sword and I only am left and they seek 〈…〉 to take it away These were the words of a true Prophet of the Lord to whom the Church of God was so invisible to him though often a fore-seer and fore-teller of future contingencies that he conceives himself to be the only Servant of the Lord left upon the face of the Earth yet in the Eighteen●h verse of the fore-mentioned Chap. God tells the Prophet Of Seven Thousand Men in Israel remaining even all the Knees that have not bowed unto Baal and every Mouth that hath not kist him Thus you see before Luther's time notwithstanding their invisibility according to this of the Prophet God might and no doubt had thousands of true believers which had not bowed their knees to your Baal of Rome and whose Mouths had never kist him and no doubt the Simile is very pat between this Baal of Jezabel's in the Book of the Kings and your Baal i. e. the Pope of Rome for as this Baal of Jezabel was to be bowed unto and Kissed so is your Baal or Pope of Rome likewise to be bowed unto and Kissed not his Face but his Toe even by Emperors and Our Saviour did suffer himself to be kissed on the Face to witness Judas's betraying this Saviour of the World with a kiss Kings as well as by the meanest of his Worshippers and Abettors and thus according to the Apostle St. Paul in the second to the Thessalonians Cap. 2. Ver. 4. He is an Adversary to our Saviour and his Holy Religion and exhalteth himself above and against all that is called God or that is Worshipped so that He doth sit as God in the Temple of God shewing himself that He is God And this truth is yet more confirm'd even by your selves by whom this Pope is called Dominus Deus noster Papa and to this Pope in your ordinary discourse either to him or of him you attribute a Title only due to God which is His Holiness There be three other Texts in this same Chapter that may very well be applyed to your Baal or Pope Ver. 8 9 11. And then shall that wicked be revealed whom the Lord shall consume with the Spirit of his Mouth and shall abolish with the brightness of his coming as it is Ver. the 8th For during the darkness of Superstition and Popery the times preceding before Luther Calvin and others this Baal was Worshipped without controul or visible gainsaying the true Worshippers those 7000. that