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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A96713	The quaking prophets two wayes proved false prophets, upon their own grounds laid down in an aiery [sic] whimsical answer to three queries ... vvith a discovery of their jugling the people out of their understanding ... also how Christ lighteneth every man that cometh into the world ... With a brief answer to three queries, sent by the Quakers to the author. / By T. Winterton.	Winterton, Thomas.; Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662. Answer to three queries coming out of a dark mind, from a blind understanding.	1655 (1655)	Wing W3093; ESTC R186760	13,306	16

spirit he is none of his but an enemy to him and knows not the false Prophet from the true nor cannot reade the note character and sign having no salt is without savour for they are known by their fruits to him that hath the spirit men cannot gather grapes of thorns nor figs of thistles if thou can read this parable thou mayst know the difference for this is the sign which Christ gave of them Who were they that cryed Loe here and loe there and was and is known to him who is the true Prophet who abideth within and saith Go not forth if thou be in this Doctrine thou can understand and this is the note sign and character which the Prophets and Apostles gave of them They looked every one for his gain from his quarter and preached for hire and went in Cains way to envy and in Baalams way after the guift and through covetousness made merchandize of people and their Ministery was such that alwayes people were learning but were not able to come to the knowledge of the truth by them but were led away with divers lusts And such were not sent nor now are not immediate from the Lord nor speaks not by the spirit from the mouth of the Lord and what he speaks is fallible and a lie and whatsoever he affirms and declares is for condemnation for his Testimony is from man and his Call from man and he speakes his own words and the world heareth him and receiveth such and such are exalted in it called of men master and hath the chief seat in the Assembly and are proud covetous heady and high-minded and such are in the enmity against the true Prophet which is Christ who receiveth not his Testimony from man but from God and such who are in him now as ever was is hated and mocked of the world who are children of darkness though they speak from the mouth of the Lord infallibly yet they cannot give testimony to the world nor to thy adulterous Generation to be believed of them that he is sent of God And this is the sign of the true Prophet not to receive testimony from man nor to speak his own words in his own time and this Prophet is born and brought forth contrary to the Will of man nor speakes not his own words but the Word of God who are in his own will speaking his own words is a false Prophet and runs in his own will and is not sent of God and none that will in his own Will can be a true Prophet but they and thou in that Will stands in the enmity against God and here thy Character is read 2. In this Query thou askes whether there be any light in man but what is sealed in his understanding and whether the understanding receiveth not its light from the information of the sences and whether any information to the understanding but what is from the sences is not meer imaginary An. The light of Christ which lighteneth every man that comes into the world which shines in darkness thou cannot comprehend but by it are comprehended and judged thy sensual state the light which shines in darkness which is seated in the conscience is received from God and it 's ground is God and not the sences but it reproveth the motion of the sences which ariseth in the disobedience and judgeth the information of the sensual nature which informeth into disobedience unto God and conformeth but unto the Saints words and practises in the sensual understanding contrary to the true light and this is from imaginary light and is for condemnation which the true light which thou cannot comprehend but stumbles at Qu. 3. In this Query thou askes whether it be necessary to believe any that shall say they have in them something above nature till they can demonstrate something in them which is not to be sound in natural persons and whether the note of one truly spiritual is not so to love Christ and the Gospel as freely to lay down his life for the truth thereof and whether many Jesuits of late have not done this and whether there be not an absolute opposition between the Church of Rome and you An. It is onely necessary for thee to know thy self and to believe in the light which lets thee see thy evil deeds and thy corrupt heart the light which hath lighted every man that comes into the world is eternal and spiritual and which condemneth the natural man in his works and knowledge and is not of the natural man though in him for light shines in darkness To thy dark mind this may be and is demonstrated in word though not believed by thee for thou that stumbles at the light art an unbeliever in the natural ground among the natural persons who cannot discern the things of God though declared and demonstrated unto you and this is thy note and character a stumbler at the corner stone who is him which is the light of men and so no friend to him nor to his Gospel but an enemy to both to the light I do speak in thee which shall one day answer me who art in thy fleshly mind and lust and queries with thy busie mind and in thy natural knowledge in which thou also corrupts thy self To the latter part of thy Query I do answer the Jesuits have never of late nor of former dayes laid down their lives for the truth of the Gospel but out of a fiery zeal without knowledge in the darkness and not in the light between which and Us is an absolute opposition as between thee and us who art both in one ground and nature their Church of Rome and the Church of England so called which is not the Church of Christ we do stand in opposition against by the true light which cleerly manifests unto us that the one is worshipping an Image and the other an Imagination and are both in the cursed ground enemies to the Worship of God which is a spirit and among them thy name stands in opposition to the true light which removeth their ground and art a stumbler at it folowing thy own will and the desires of thy own mind Therefore friend repent and search thy own heart and try whose servant thou art by the light which will shew thee and bear witness for the righteous God and against all thy ungodly wayes and words This light is in thee and comes from Christ thy way to salvation if thou love it but thy condemnation for ever hating it This will resolve all thy doubts and will let thee see from whence thy Queries did proceed Thus I have answered them and do expect an Answer from thee of these following 1 What is the ground in which the Church of Rome stands and whether it be removed in thee and if how was it removed and whether the Vial be powred upon the seat of the beast yea or nay and what is his seat and his mark and the number of his

name 2 What is the mouth of the false Prophet and where speaks he and whether thou do'st witness his mouth stopped in thee and whether thou canst be deceived yea or nay 3 What is the end wherefore Christ was manifest into the world and whether thou hast received the end of his coming or when where or how thou expects to receive it and where and what is the ground of thy knowledge of him Answer these in plain words or lay thy hand upon thy mouth and utter not words before the Lords but confess thy ignorance and own thy Condemnation EDWARD BVRROVGH The Authors Reply to the Quakers Answer to his three Quaeries I Have out of my dark mind and blind understanding as you please to say took a through view of your pretended Answer to my three Queries the which consist of 12 particulars and thou hast made a direct Answer unto two of them and they are the two last of the last Query To the first part of the first Query you leave out the word certainty the which is the life of the Query and answer that there is a note character and sign to know a true Prophet from a false And in the second particular of the first Query I query what that note character and sign is and to this you answer nothing at all but run into a meer aiery whimsical story that may serve to prove as well the greatest abomination in the World And though I will not trace you in your aiery whimsie yet I will observe what hath passed from thee that hath relation to the Query and that is two things The first is That a true Prophet cannot give testimony to any that his Calling is of God but those that have the same spirit The second is That a true Prophet cannot make a visible demonstration to the world that his Calling is of God Now as these two conclusions are truly drawn from your aiery whimsical story so I shall endeavour to reply to them And for the first It is an ancient shift and hath long since by the Antinomians been put upon me they boasting like the Quakers of their great light inward teaching and incomes of the spirit and I desiring a demonstration of these things they like the Quakers told me I had not that spirit and therefore I was not capable So of late your Predecessor Iohn Roberts of whom his Disciples cryed Cursed was he that worshipped any other God then John Roberts the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ And in new prison in a conference with them I called upon them to make those things good they uttered They told me I had not the same spirit therefore I could not believe And now as they laid their Foundations in aiery Whimsies so they are blasted and vanished before you yet they out-stript you in their devotion abstaining from all things but bread and water by which they drew to my knowledge many to ruine as you are like to do And now as this is a subtle shift to break the lorce of an Argument so it will serve for any Whimsie as if a Jesuit should affirm that the Pope was above God This whimsical story will serve to tell those that shall inquire into the truth thereof that they have not the same spirit and therefore it cannot be demonstrated to them And it is as usual for he great Sultane to prove his great Prophet Mahomet to be true Yea if a Quaking Prophet should affirm that the Spirit of Christ hath carryed him through the Moon that he there saw Christ sitting at the right hand of God his Father and that he see many glorious mansions prepared for them that obey the Commandements of Christ and that was to worship the Moon I say if he should thus affirm his aiery whimsical story will serve him for as much use to prove that true as it will prove he is a true Prophet and that he speaks infallibly from the mouth of the Lord and if he would but out-face this as he doth the other without all question he would have as many unstaid minds to follow him in the belief of this as in the other And now for the trial of you in the second particular I must rouz you out of this lurking hole and chace you in the plain field of the Scriptures the which you say you own and bear witness to and there try whether you are not covered with sheeps cloathing or no. And in order thereunto I shall observe that you affirm that the spirit that was and is in Christ is the same that is in the true Prophets I suppose you mean the Quaking Prophets I cannot but acknowledge that we are for this beholding to you in that you have given us a Rule to try whether you are a true Prophet or a false and that is by comparing your spirit with Christ and his Apostles spirit Now Christ saith of himself That he came to convince the world of sin righteousness and judgment the manner by which he did it was by giving a demonstration suitable to his Doctrine that as his Doctrine was such as never man taught so his Works were such as never man did Here you see the nature of Christs spirit that brings the world to the knowledge of him by visible demonstration yea to their very outward sences for he saith the works that I do bear witness of me And thou sayst that the Quaking Prophets spirit can give no testimony that is demonstration to the World therefore the Quaking Prophets spirit and Christs are not of one kind Again when Christ commanded his Disciples to go preach to the world he bid them to stay at Jerusalem till they had received that spirit that should demonstrate them to the world from false Prophets that he had said would come Now upon your account they need not have staid for they had tongue testimony barely to tel the people that they were sent from Christ but you see that the spirit of Christ acts in pure reason when it sends forth a strange doctrine it sends forth as strange a demonstration for as the people were to be preached to the world who had by nature come to know the invisible God by things visible so he gave them that spirit that should demonstrate to their understanding that they were sent from that invisible Power Therefore by thy own assertion and by thy own affirmation we have found by thy spirit by comparing it with Christs spirit and his Apostles spirit to be a jugling false deceiving spirit and therefore I shall apply thine own words to thine own self as of right they belong that thou art not immediatly sent from the Lord nor speakest by the spirit from the mouth of the Lord but what thou speakest is false and a lye and whatsoever thou affirmest and declarest is for condemnation for thy testimony is from man and not from God The 2d Query thou writest down as though thou intendedst to give answer

THE QVAKING PROPHETS Two wayes proved FALSE PROPHETS VPON Their own Grounds laid down in an aiery whimsical Answer to three Queries FIRST They are proved false in that they have not that Spirit that they themselves say is the Spirit of a true Prophet SECONDLY They are proved false in that they have not onely discovered to have in them the ground of all those abominations the which they say are Notes Characters and Signes of false Prophets but that in visible appearance some of those Fruits already sprung up in them VVith a Discovery of their jugling the People out of their Understanding whereby they are not onely made uncapable to try the Truth of what they declare to them but fitted to do whatsoever they command them Also how Christ lighteneth every man that cometh into the world a sentence continually in their mouthes and how and from whence mens actions arise in so plain a method that every one may apprehend and feel them daily working in them With a brief Answer to three Queries sent by the Quakers to the Author By T. WINTERTON London Printed by ROBERT WOOD 1655. To the READER Courteous Reader I Have presented to thy view this small Treatise wherein I have proved the Quaking Prophets false upon their own grounds whether I have or no I leave it to thy impartial judgment And forasmuch as thou mayst think it high presumption for so weak and unable a person to ingage against such a Sect when so many able learned men the sons of the Churches have 〈◊〉 off with loss I confess the Objection is of weight enough to have kept me silent had I not known the grounds on which these Rabbies opposed them on were as unsound as the Quakers were so as they but clash their errors together And a new Opinion that doth but equally defend it self alwayes gets ground and upon this score I am confident they have gained a multitude Howsoever I have put forth my firstborn * The which I have begoten upon their own grounds in whomly dress but if this were all I should be glad I fear there may be many faults the which I see not I have cause enough to be jealous in that I have seldome read a piece that hath bin wholly empty of mistakes and though this is no excuse for me yet it casteth a shadow of incouragement to crave so much favour of thee as to except the Will for the Deed it being the first fault to the which the greatest Tyrant in the world will contribute mercy especially where the mind is upright Howsoever I thought my self the fitter for this work in regard I have formerly trod these wayes of imagination bare till I was as bare my self in a worldly eye so great was my desires and yet no greater then my intention good for heaven it self was not more choice to me then the true worship of the pure God the which I imagined I had attained to and in that back of imagination I transported all my hopes for many years and through many dangers till at length I began to question my security in her whereupon making a through search I found her fit for nought but to set me ashore where I left his and returned with my adventure the which amounted to no less then a sad remembrance that I was deceived Howsoever my love and desires are still as strong and my spirit as free to serve the Lord whensoever he shall be pleased to set my feet upon a sure ground till then I wait and till then I think it better to sit still then rise and fall for I am resolved that imagination shall no more deceive me Howsoever I would be loath to change my condition with those that assume an infallible spirit or something in them above Nature the which they cannot demonstrate to a natural capacity because if they were disabled and nothing left them but what they had of this it might prove a tedious work to find in the world a lesser thing then they T. W. To the QVAKERS I Having heard some certain passages in your Exercise in White-cross street the which I desire to have had cleared but understanding you were too wise to dispute I have refted satisfied till of late there came to my hand certain Queries sent by you to the Anabaptists and conceiving you so righteous that you will give no more then you will take I have sent you three Queries 1. If there be false Prophets in the world as you say whether there be not certain notes characters and sights to know a true Prophet from a false and what that is and whether for any to affirm and declare that he is immediatly sent from the Lord and that he speaks by the spirit from the mouth of the Lord and what he speaks is infallibly true and yet can give no other testimony but his own word and his Associats whether this be not rather a character of a false Prophet then a true but if a true then whether every one may not be a true Prophet that will 2 Whether there be any light in man but what is seated in the understanding and whether the understanding receiveth not its light from the information of the sence and whether any information but what is from thence is not meerly imaginary 3 Whether it be necessary to believe any that shall say they have something in them above Nature or supernatural unless they can demonstrate something in them that cannot be found in a naturall person and whether there be any greater note of one truly spiritual or having something in them above Nature then so to love Christ and the Gospel as freely to lay down his life for the truth of it And whether many Jesuits of late at Tyburn have not done this and whether there be not an opposition between you and the Church of Rome T. W. An Answer to three Queries coming out of a dark mind from a blind understanding propounded by Thomas Winterton to us called Quakers 1. Query IN this Query thou askest whether there be a certain note character or sign to know the true Prophets from the false and what that is and whether for any to affirm and declare that he is sent immediate from the Lord and that he speakes by the spirit from the mouth of the Lord and what he thus speakes is infallibly true and yet can give no other testimony but his own words and his associats whether this be not rather the character of a false Prophet then a true but if a true then whether every one that will may not be a true Prophet Answ Yea there is a note a character and a sign by which the true Prophet from the false may be known and they are read by the spirit of the Lord which comprehendeth the ground from which each doth spring which spirit was and is in the true Prophet which is Christ Jesus And is is written and if any man have not this